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  • Ebenezer
    Give me a minute...
    • Jul 2002
    • 73867
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    Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft??

    Take a look at the 1st round picks of the Detroit Red Wings. In that time the Wings have won 4 cups, 6 President Trophies and haven't missed the playoffs. Would somebody like to remind me about the importance of 1st round picks in the NHL and the draft in general??

    1992: Curtis Bowen (22nd overall)
    1993: Anders Eriksson (22nd overall)
    1994: Yan Golubovsky (23rd overall)
    1995: Maxim Kuznetsov (26th overall)
    1996: Jesse Wallin (26th overall)
    1997: None
    1998: Jiří Fischer (25th overall)
    1999: None
    2000: Niklas Kronwall (29th overall)
    2001: None
    2002: None
    2003: None
    2004: None
    2005: Jakub Kindl (19th overall)
    2006: None
    2007: Brendan Smith (27th overall)




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  • clumping platelets
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    • BlackMetalNinja
      I'm not Jewish, I'm just in it for the hats.
      • May 2005
      • 31525
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      Re: Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft??

      Fisher and Kronwall are about the only players that ever did much on that list.

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      • Dr. Lecter
        Zero for Zero!
        • Mar 2003
        • 67946
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        Re: Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft??

        Are you going to look at more than one team and one set of data to make a conclusion?
        Originally posted by mysticsoto
        Lecter is right in everything he said.
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        • Ebenezer
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          • Jul 2002
          • 73867
          #5
          Re: Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft??

          Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
          Are you going to look at more than one team and one set of data to make a conclusion?
          I'm going to look at the most dominant team in the NHL over the last 12 years.




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          • Dr. Lecter
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            • Mar 2003
            • 67946
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            Re: Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft??

            Using one data point, Mr. Scientist???

            While I agree that they are the most dominant, you prove one point. Besides, many people say that one of the best uses of the draft is in trades.

            You are also using the data from previous seasons when there was no cap, FA two years later and a much different landscape in the NHL.
            Originally posted by mysticsoto
            Lecter is right in everything he said.

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            • Ebenezer
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              • Jul 2002
              • 73867
              #7
              Re: Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft??

              Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
              Using one data point, Mr. Scientist???

              While I agree that they are the most dominant, you prove one point. Besides, many people say that one of the best uses of the draft is in trades.

              You are also using the data from previous seasons when there was no cap, FA two years later and a much different landscape in the NHL.
              I do not believe any of those picks were traded. Obviously in some years they used the picks to get other players. I have no problem using the draft that way. I've said for years trade away as many picks as you need to in order to get proven talent, draft 2 or 3 players a year if you need to and stick them in the minors along with a lot of has beens and cast offs.




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              • Dr. Lecter
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                • Mar 2003
                • 67946
                #8
                Re: Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft??

                Obviously many of them were traded as they had no pick some of those years. So they were traded or used to sign a FA.

                Again, the landscape has changed with the cap and earlier FA. Much like the NFL, the draft will be very important.
                Originally posted by mysticsoto
                Lecter is right in everything he said.

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                • Ebenezer
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                  • Jul 2002
                  • 73867
                  #9
                  Re: Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft??

                  Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                  Obviously many of them were traded as they had no pick some of those years. So they were traded or used to sign a FA.

                  Again, the landscape has changed with the cap and earlier FA. Much like the NFL, the draft will be very important.


                  Would you rather be sitting in the Red Wings position or the Sabres? 4 Cups in 11 years - I'd take the Wings.




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                  • Dr. Lecter
                    Zero for Zero!
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 67946
                    #10
                    Re: Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft??

                    I agree with that premise.
                    Originally posted by mysticsoto
                    Lecter is right in everything he said.

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                    • TheGhostofJimKelly
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                      • May 2003
                      • 12459
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                      Re: Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft??

                      Actually, I think most of their players are their draft picks, at least their better players, they just decide to draft great in the middle of the draft.

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                      • TheGhostofJimKelly
                        Registered User
                        • May 2003
                        • 12459
                        #12
                        Re: Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft??

                        Not trying to argue that the NHL draft is a crapshoot, but it does matter:

                        Pavel Datsyuk - picked in the 6th round
                        Valtteri Filppula - 3rd round
                        Johan Franzen - 3rd round
                        Henrik Zetterberg - 7th round
                        Tomas Holmstrom - 1st round
                        Niklas Kronwall - 1st round
                        Niklas Lidstrom - 1st round


                        I think you would see that on most teams. They don't have a superstar that was picked up in free agency, well with the exception of Hasek.
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                        • Ebenezer
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                          • Jul 2002
                          • 73867
                          #13
                          Re: Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft??

                          Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                          I agree with that premise.
                          and in the three years since the cap was imposed they have won a Stanley Cup, won a president's trophy, runner up in the president's trophy and three division titles. Their only major FA is Zetterberg.




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                          • BlackMetalNinja
                            I'm not Jewish, I'm just in it for the hats.
                            • May 2005
                            • 31525
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                            Re: Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft??

                            Yeah, I'd say Datsyuk in the 6th and Zetterberg in the 7th were nice steals
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                            • Ebenezer
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                              • Jul 2002
                              • 73867
                              #15
                              Re: Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft??

                              Originally posted by TheGhostofJimKelly
                              Not trying to argue that the NHL draft is a crapshoot, but it does matter:

                              Pavel Datsyuk - picked in the 6th round
                              Valtteri Filppula - 3rd round
                              Johan Franzen - 3rd round
                              Henrik Zetterberg - 7th round
                              Tomas Holmstrom - 1st round
                              Niklas Kronwall - 1st round
                              Niklas Lidstrom - 1st round


                              I think you would see that on most teams. They don't have a superstar that was picked up in free agency, well with the exception of Hasek.
                              Never said it didn't matter...just trying to make the point that people shouldn't get a woody because the Sabres are signing all their picks and that the draft is the end all be all. The NHL draft with the exception of a few, is at best - a crap shoot.

                              Also, it is very hard to tell where foreign players should place in the draft and how well they will actually do in the NHL.




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