Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft?? [Archive] - BillsZone.com

View Full Version : Remind me again about the importance of the NHL draft??

Ebenezer

06-05-2008, 12:22 AM

Take a look at the 1st round picks of the Detroit Red Wings. In that time the Wings have won 4 cups, 6 President Trophies and haven't missed the playoffs. Would somebody like to remind me about the importance of 1st round picks in the NHL and the draft in general??

1992: Curtis Bowen (22nd overall)
1993: Anders Eriksson (22nd overall)
1994: Yan Golubovsky (23rd overall)
1995: Maxim Kuznetsov (26th overall)
1996: Jesse Wallin (26th overall)
1997: None
1998: Jiří Fischer (25th overall)
1999: None
2000: Niklas Kronwall (29th overall)
2001: None
2002: None
2003: None
2004: None
2005: Jakub Kindl (19th overall)
2006: None
2007: Brendan Smith (27th overall)

clumping platelets

06-05-2008, 02:10 AM

:movie:

BlackMetalNinja

06-05-2008, 06:04 AM

Fisher and Kronwall are about the only players that ever did much on that list.

Dr. Lecter

06-05-2008, 06:25 AM

Are you going to look at more than one team and one set of data to make a conclusion?

Ebenezer

06-05-2008, 06:41 AM

Are you going to look at more than one team and one set of data to make a conclusion?
I'm going to look at the most dominant team in the NHL over the last 12 years. :::

Dr. Lecter

06-05-2008, 06:44 AM

Ebenezer

06-05-2008, 06:47 AM

Using one data point, Mr. Scientist???

While I agree that they are the most dominant, you prove one point. Besides, many people say that one of the best uses of the draft is in trades.

You are also using the data from previous seasons when there was no cap, FA two years later and a much different landscape in the NHL.
I do not believe any of those picks were traded. Obviously in some years they used the picks to get other players. I have no problem using the draft that way. I've said for years trade away as many picks as you need to in order to get proven talent, draft 2 or 3 players a year if you need to and stick them in the minors along with a lot of has beens and cast offs.

Dr. Lecter

06-05-2008, 06:49 AM

Ebenezer

06-05-2008, 06:53 AM

Obviously many of them were traded as they had no pick some of those years. So they were traded or used to sign a FA.

Again, the landscape has changed with the cap and earlier FA. Much like the NFL, the draft will be very important.
:yawn:

Would you rather be sitting in the Red Wings position or the Sabres? 4 Cups in 11 years - I'd take the Wings.

Dr. Lecter

06-05-2008, 06:53 AM

I agree with that premise.

TheGhostofJimKelly

06-05-2008, 06:58 AM

Actually, I think most of their players are their draft picks, at least their better players, they just decide to draft great in the middle of the draft.

TheGhostofJimKelly

06-05-2008, 07:03 AM

Ebenezer

06-05-2008, 07:05 AM

I agree with that premise.
and in the three years since the cap was imposed they have won a Stanley Cup, won a president's trophy, runner up in the president's trophy and three division titles. Their only major FA is Zetterberg.

BlackMetalNinja

06-05-2008, 07:05 AM

Yeah, I'd say Datsyuk in the 6th and Zetterberg in the 7th were nice steals :up:

Ebenezer

06-05-2008, 07:06 AM

Not trying to argue that the NHL draft is a crapshoot, but it does matter:

Pavel Datsyuk - picked in the 6th round
Valtteri Filppula - 3rd round
Johan Franzen - 3rd round
Henrik Zetterberg - 7th round
Tomas Holmstrom - 1st round
Niklas Kronwall - 1st round
Niklas Lidstrom - 1st round

I think you would see that on most teams. They don't have a superstar that was picked up in free agency, well with the exception of Hasek.
Never said it didn't matter...just trying to make the point that people shouldn't get a woody because the Sabres are signing all their picks and that the draft is the end all be all. The NHL draft with the exception of a few, is at best - a crap shoot.

Also, it is very hard to tell where foreign players should place in the draft and how well they will actually do in the NHL.

TheGhostofJimKelly

06-05-2008, 07:09 AM

Never said it didn't matter...just trying to make the point that people shouldn't get a woody because the Sabres are signing all their picks and that the draft is the end all be all. The NHL draft with the exception of a few, is at best - a crap shoot.

Also, it is very hard to tell where foreign players should place in the draft and how well they will actually do in the NHL.

I am not sure I have ever heard anyone say that the draft is the end all be all, but in the league these days you better draft well get youth to contribute early if you want to win.

Ebenezer

06-05-2008, 07:45 AM

I am not sure I have ever heard anyone say that the draft is the end all be all, but in the league these days you better draft well get youth to contribute early if you want to win.
you forgot to finish your statement

...in six to eight years, maybe

Philagape

06-05-2008, 07:56 AM

The draft is certainly much more of a crap shoot than, say, the NFL. Hockey players are drafted when they're 18 ... it's harder to predict what they'll do at that age. They're drafted from different continents, different cultures. In any given draft, it's safe to say at least half the picks will never see the NHL, and the ones who do and become good players are as likely to come from the fifth round (such as Miller) as from the first. Or so it seems.
Look at a couple of the Sabres' recent drafts:
2002
1. Keith Ballard
1. Daniel Paille
3. Michael Tessier
3. John Adams
4. Jakub Hulva
4. Marty Magers
6. Maxim Schevjev
7. Radoslav Hecl
8. Dennis Wideman
9. Martin Cizek
2000
1. Artem Kryukov
2. Gerard Dicaire
4. Ghyslain Rousseau
5. Denis Denisov
7. Vasily Bizyayev
7. Paul Gaustad
8. Sean McMorrow
9. Ryan Courtney

Why did they even bother showing up??

Ebenezer

06-05-2008, 07:58 AM

Philagape

06-05-2008, 08:03 AM

they could have picked Paille and traded the rest for a guy to two and won a cup.

They could have traded the rest for a fax machine and a camcorder and got good value.

THATHURMANATOR

06-05-2008, 08:36 AM

RockStar36

06-05-2008, 12:19 PM

I don't get the point of the thread. Look at Pittsburgh. Obviously the draft does matter. Detroit has been dominant because they can do a complete draft, not just the first round, much like teams in other sports that are good.

We're allowed to get excited. The Sabres are going to have a new farm team all to themselves and they are stocking it with tons of fresh talent that in a season or two could have a major impact on the Sabres.

User Manuel

06-05-2008, 12:19 PM

Since 1991, a list of all draft choices that made it to the NHL. Your argument holds little water if you include rounds 2-whatever in your argument.

1991
See also:1991 NHL Entry Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_NHL_Entry_Draft)
<TABLE class=wikitable style="WIDTH: 75%"><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Rnd</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pick</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Nationality</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pos</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Team (League)</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>GP</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pts/Rec</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Notes</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>1</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>Martin Lapointe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Lapointe)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>RW</TD><TD>Laval Titan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laval_Titan) (QMJHL)</TD><TD>921</TD><TD>368</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>2</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>Jamie Pushor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Pushor)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>D</TD><TD>Lethbridge Hurricanes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethbridge_Hurricanes) (WHL)</TD><TD>521</TD><TD>60</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>3</TD><TD>54</TD><TD>Chris Osgood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Osgood)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>Medicine Hat Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine_Hat_Tigers) (WHL)</TD><TD>621</TD><TD>336–186–66–11</TD><TD>Won two Stanley Cups with the Detroit Red Wings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Red_Wings); Won William M. Jennings Trophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Jennings_Trophy), 1995–96</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>4</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>Mike Knuble (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Knuble)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>LW</TD><TD>University of Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Michigan) (NCAA)</TD><TD>656</TD><TD>327</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=39)] 1991 Supplemental

See also:1991 NHL Supplemental Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_NHL_Supplemental_Draft)
<TABLE class=wikitable style="WIDTH: 75%"><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Nationality</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pos</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Team (League)</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>GP</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pts/Rec</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Notes</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=9>No Red Wings selections from this draft have played in the National Hockey League</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=40)] 1992

See also:1992 NHL Entry Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_NHL_Entry_Draft)
<TABLE class=wikitable style="WIDTH: 75%"><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Rnd</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pick</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Nationality</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pos</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Team (League)</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>GP</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pts/Rec</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Notes</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>2</TD><TD>46</TD><TD>Darren McCarty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_McCarty)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>RW</TD><TD>Belleville Bulls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belleville_Bulls) (OHL)</TD><TD>742</TD><TD>286</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>2</TD><TD>70</TD><TD>Sylvain Cloutier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvain_Cloutier)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>C</TD><TD>Guelph Storm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guelph_Storm) (OHL)</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>6</TD><TD>142</TD><TD>Jason MacDonald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_MacDonald_%28ice_hockey%29)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>Owen Sound Platers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Sound_Platers) (OHL)</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>10</TD><TD>238</TD><TD>Dan McGillis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_McGillis)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>D</TD><TD>Northeastern University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeastern_University) (NCAA)</TD><TD>634</TD><TD>238</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>11</TD><TD>262</TD><TD>Ryan Bach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Bach)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>Colorado College (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_College) (NCAA)</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0–3–0</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=41)] 1993

See also:1993 NHL Entry Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_NHL_Entry_Draft)
<TABLE class=wikitable style="WIDTH: 75%"><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Rnd</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pick</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Nationality</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pos</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Team (League)</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>GP</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pts/Rec</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Notes</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>1</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>Anders Eriksson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Eriksson)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Sweden.svg) Sweden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden)</TD><TD>D</TD><TD>MODO Hockey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MODO_Hockey) (SEL)</TD><TD>491</TD><TD>153</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>4</TD><TD>97</TD><TD>John Jakopin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jakopin)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>D</TD><TD>Merrimack College (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrimack_College) (NCAA)</TD><TD>113</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>Won Yanick Dupre Memorial Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanick_Dupre_Memorial_Award), 1997–98</TD></TR><TR><TD>5</TD><TD>127</TD><TD>Norm Maracle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_Maracle)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>Saskatoon Blades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_Blades) (WHL)</TD><TD>66</TD><TD>14–33–8</TD><TD>Won James Gatschene Memorial Trophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Gatschene_Memorial_Trophy), 2000–01; James Norris Memorial Trophy IHL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Norris_Memorial_Trophy_IHL), 2000–01; N.R. "Bud" Poile Trophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N.R._%22Bud%22_Poile_Trophy), 2000–01</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=42)] 1994

See also:1994 NHL Entry Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_NHL_Entry_Draft)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/TomasHolmstrom.jpg/140px-TomasHolmstrom.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TomasHolmstrom.jpg) [/URL]
Tomas Holmström (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TomasHolmstrom.jpg) joined Detroit just in time for their 1997 Stanley Cup victory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Stanley_Cup_Finals) and would remain with the club to help them win two more. He is known for scoring garbage goals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_goal) and is considered one of the NHL's best "pests".

<TABLE class=wikitable style="WIDTH: 75%"><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Rnd</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pick</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Nationality</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pos</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Team (League)</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>GP</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pts/Rec</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Notes</TD></TR><TR><TD>1</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>Yan Golubovsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan_Golubovsky)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Russia.svg) Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia)</TD><TD>D</TD><TD>HC CSKA Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HC_CSKA_Moscow) (Russia)</TD><TD>56</TD><TD>8</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>2</TD><TD>49</TD><TD>Mathieu Dandenault (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathieu_Dandenault)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>RW</TD><TD>Sherbrooke Faucons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherbrooke_Faucons) (QMJHL)</TD><TD>766</TD><TD>177</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>10</TD><TD>257</TD><TD>Tomas Holmström (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomas_Holmstr%C3%B6m)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Sweden.svg) Sweden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden)</TD><TD>LW</TD><TD>Bodens BK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodens_BK) (SEL)</TD><TD>699</TD><TD>347</TD><TD>Won three Stanley Cups with the Detroit Red Wings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Red_Wings)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=43)] 1995

See also:1995 NHL Entry Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_NHL_Entry_Draft)
<TABLE class=wikitable style="WIDTH: 75%"><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Rnd</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pick</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Nationality</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pos</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Team (League)</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>GP</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pts/Rec</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Notes</TD></TR><TR><TD>1</TD><TD>26</TD><TD>Maxim Kuznetsov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_Kuznetsov)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Russia.svg) Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia)</TD><TD>D</TD><TD>HC Dynamo Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HC_Dynamo_Moscow) (Russia)</TD><TD>136</TD><TD>10</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>2</TD><TD>52</TD><TD>Philippe Audet (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Philippe_Audet&action=edit&redlink=1)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>LW</TD><TD>Granby Bisons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granby_Bisons) (QMJHL)</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>3</TD><TD>58</TD><TD>Darryl Laplante (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darryl_Laplante)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>C</TD><TD>Moose Jaw Warriors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_Jaw_Warriors) (WHL)</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>6</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=44)] 1996

See also:1996 NHL Entry Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_NHL_Entry_Draft)
<TABLE class=wikitable style="WIDTH: 75%"><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Rnd</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pick</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Nationality</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pos</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Team (League)</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>GP</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pts/Rec</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Notes</TD></TR><TR><TD>1</TD><TD>26</TD><TD>Jesse Wallin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Wallin)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>D</TD><TD>Red Deer Rebels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Deer_Rebels) (WHL)</TD><TD>49</TD><TD>2</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=45)] 1997

See also:1997 NHL Entry Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NHL_Entry_Draft)
<TABLE class=wikitable style="WIDTH: 75%"><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Rnd</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pick</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Nationality</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pos</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Team (League)</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>GP</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pts/Rec</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Notes</TD></TR><TR><TD>2</TD><TD>49</TD><TD>Yuri Butsayev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Butsayev)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Russia.svg) Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia)</TD><TD>LW</TD><TD>HC Lada Togliatti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HC_Lada_Togliatti) (Russia)</TD><TD>99</TD><TD>14</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>3</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>Petr Sykora (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_S%C3%BDkora_%28ice_hockey_b._1978%29)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_the_Czech_Republic.svg) Czech Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic)</TD><TD>C</TD><TD>HC Pardubice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HC_Pardubice) (Czech)</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>4</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>4</TD><TD>102</TD><TD>Quintin Laing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintin_Laing)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>LW</TD><TD>Kelowna Rockets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelowna_Rockets) (WHL)</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>6</TD><TD>157</TD><TD>B.J. Young (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.J._Young)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_the_United_States.svg) United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)</TD><TD>RW</TD><TD>Red Deer Rebels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Deer_Rebels) (WHL)</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=46)] 1998

See also:1998 NHL Entry Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_NHL_Entry_Draft)
<TABLE class=wikitable style="WIDTH: 75%"><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Rnd</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pick</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Nationality</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pos</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Team (League)</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>GP</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pts/Rec</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Notes</TD></TR><TR><TD>1</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>Jiri Fischer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiri_Fischer)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_the_Czech_Republic.svg) Czech Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic)</TD><TD>D</TD><TD>Hull Olympiques (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_Olympiques) (QMJHL)</TD><TD>305</TD><TD>60</TD><TD>Won one Stanley Cup with the Detroit Red Wings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Red_Wings); career ended after suffering a seizure during the 2005–06 season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NHL_season)</TD></TR><TR><TD>2</TD><TD>55</TD><TD>Ryan Barnes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Barnes)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>LW</TD><TD>Sudbury Wolves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudbury_Wolves) (OHL)</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>6</TD><TD>171</TD><TD>Pavel Datsyuk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Datsyuk)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Russia.svg) Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia)</TD><TD>C</TD><TD>Yekaterinburg Dynamo (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yekaterinburg_Dynamo&action=edit&redlink=1) (Russia)</TD><TD>363</TD><TD>328</TD><TD>Won the Lady Byng Memorial Trophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Byng_Memorial_Trophy), 2005–06, 2006–07; Won one Stanley Cup with the Detroit Red Wings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Red_Wings)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=47)] 1999

See also:1999 NHL Entry Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NHL_Entry_Draft)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/HenrikZetterberg.jpg/140px-HenrikZetterberg.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:HenrikZetterberg.jpg)
Henrik Zetterberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:HenrikZetterberg.jpg), drafted in the seventh round, proved he should've gone higher when he stepped up and scored 85 points for Detroit during the 2005–06 season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NHL_season).

<TABLE class=wikitable style="WIDTH: 75%"><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Rnd</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pick</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Nationality</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pos</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Team (League)</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>GP</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pts/Rec</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Notes</TD></TR><TR><TD>6</TD><TD>181</TD><TD>Kent McDonell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_McDonell)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>RW</TD><TD>Guelph Storm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guelph_Storm) (OHL)</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>3</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>7</TD><TD>210</TD><TD>Henrik Zetterberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrik_Zetterberg)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Sweden.svg) Sweden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden)</TD><TD>LW</TD><TD>Timrå IK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timr%C3%A5_IK) (SEL)</TD><TD>280</TD><TD>240</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=48)] 2000s

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=49)] 2000

See also:2000 NHL Entry Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NHL_Entry_Draft)
<TABLE class=wikitable style="WIDTH: 75%"><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Rnd</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pick</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Nationality</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pos</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Team (League)</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>GP</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pts/Rec</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Notes</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>1</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>Niklas Kronwall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niklas_Kronwall)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Sweden.svg) Sweden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden)</TD><TD>D</TD><TD>Djurgårdens IF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djurg%C3%A5rdens_IF_Hockey) (SEL)</TD><TD>115</TD><TD>36</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>2</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>Tomas Kopecky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomas_Kopecky)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Slovakia.svg) Slovakia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovakia)</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>HC Dukla Trenčín (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HC_Dukla_Tren%C4%8D%C3%ADn) (Slovakia)</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>1</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=50)] 2001

See also:2001 NHL Entry Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NHL_Entry_Draft)
<TABLE class=wikitable style="WIDTH: 75%"><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Rnd</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pick</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Nationality</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pos</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Team (League)</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>GP</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pts/Rec</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Notes</TD></TR><TR><TD>1</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>Igor Grigorenko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Grigorenko)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Russia.svg) Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia)</TD><TD>RW</TD><TD>HC Lada Togliatti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HC_Lada_Togliatti) (Russia)</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>8</TD><TD>258</TD><TD>Dmitry Bykov (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dmitry_Bykov&action=edit&redlink=1)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Russia.svg) Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia)</TD><TD>D</TD><TD>Aq Bars Kazan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aq_Bars_Kazan) (Russia)</TD><TD>71</TD><TD>12</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=51)] 2002

See also:2002 NHL Entry Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NHL_Entry_Draft)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/ValtteriFilppula.jpg/140px-ValtteriFilppula.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ValtteriFilppula.jpg)
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valtteri_Filppula"]Valtteri Filppula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ValtteriFilppula.jpg) is one of the young talents in Detroit and has shown he can find the back of the net when given the opportunity. He played on the fourth line for part of the 2006–07 season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_NHL_season) with Jiří Hudler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ji%C5%99%C3%AD_Hudler), who was also drafted in the 2002 draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NHL_Entry_Draft).

<TABLE class=wikitable style="WIDTH: 75%"><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Rnd</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pick</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Nationality</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pos</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Team (League)</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>GP</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pts/Rec</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Notes</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>2</TD><TD>58</TD><TD>Jiří Hudler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ji%C5%99%C3%AD_Hudler)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_the_Czech_Republic.svg) Czech Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic)</TD><TD>C</TD><TD>Vsetín (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vset%C3%ADn) (Czech)</TD><TD>92</TD><TD>28</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>2</TD><TD>63</TD><TD>Tomas Fleischmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomas_Fleischmann)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_the_Czech_Republic.svg) Czech Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic)</TD><TD>LW</TD><TD>HC Vítkovice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HC_V%C3%ADtkovice) (Czech)</TD><TD>43</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>Traded to Capitals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Capitals) for Robert Lang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Lang)</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>3</TD><TD>95</TD><TD>Valtteri Filppula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valtteri_Filppula)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Finland.svg) Finland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland)</TD><TD>C</TD><TD>Jokerit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokerit) (SM-liiga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM-liiga))</TD><TD>77</TD><TD>18</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>7</TD><TD>229</TD><TD>Derek Meech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Meech)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>D</TD><TD>Red Deer Rebels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Deer_Rebels) (WHL)</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=52)] 2003

See also:2003 NHL Entry Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NHL_Entry_Draft)
<TABLE class=wikitable style="WIDTH: 75%"><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Rnd</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pick</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Nationality</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pos</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Team (League)</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>GP</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pts/Rec</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Notes</TD></TR><TR><TD>2</TD><TD>64</TD><TD>Jimmy Howard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Howard)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_the_United_States.svg) United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>University of Maine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Maine) (NCAA)</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1–2–0</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>4</TD><TD>132</TD><TD>Kyle Quincey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Quincey)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Canada.svg) Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</TD><TD>D</TD><TD>London Knights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Knights) (OHL)</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>1</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=53)] 2004

See also:2004 NHL Entry Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NHL_Entry_Draft)
<TABLE class=wikitable style="WIDTH: 75%"><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Rnd</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pick</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Nationality</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pos</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Team (League)</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>GP</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Pts/Rec</TD><TD bgColor=#eeeeee>Notes</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ddeeee><TD>3</TD><TD>97</TD><TD>Johan Franzen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Franzen)</TD><TD> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Sweden.svg) Sweden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden)</TD><TD>C</TD><TD>Linköpings HC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link%C3%B6pings_HC) (SEL)</TD><TD>149</TD><TD>46</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detroit_Red_Wings_draft_picks&action=edit&section=54)] 2005

User Manuel

06-05-2008, 12:24 PM

they could have picked Paille and traded the rest for a guy to two and won a cup.

Paille is great and Ballard was used to get Drury. Pretty impressive on the whole. Wideman didn't sign but is a good defenseman in the NHL.

Can't argue 2000 draft, other than Gaustad, horrible.

Philagape

06-05-2008, 12:50 PM

Paille is great and Ballard was used to get Drury. Pretty impressive on the whole. Wideman didn't sign but is a good defenseman in the NHL.

Can't argue 2000 draft, other than Gaustad, horrible.

Paille "great"? Let's not go overboard.

Drury is gone with nothing in return.

RockStar36

06-05-2008, 12:56 PM

I personally don't see how anyone can't get exicted about all the prospects they have signed so far.

Philagape

06-05-2008, 01:01 PM

I personally don't see how anyone can't get exicted about all the prospects they have signed so far.

I don't see how someone can get "excited" over a player who's never played in the NHL.
Intrigued, maybe. Wait and see. But to be excited over unknowns is just as presumptuous as predicting they'll be busts. I need a good reason to be excited.

RockStar36

06-05-2008, 01:04 PM

I don't see how someone can get "excited" over a player who's never played in the NHL.
Intrigued, maybe. Wait and see. But to be excited over unknowns is just as presumptuous as predicting they'll be busts. I need a good reason to be excited.

I'm excited about the concept of a farm system that is all Sabres. I'm excited that they are stocking it with young players that have been good so far. I'm excited that we won't have depleted depth anymore.

It's not as much the players, but the concept of re-stocking the talent that has me excited.

Would I be considered a wagon hopper if I started following Portland much more next season?

hammerbillsfan

06-05-2008, 01:09 PM

Not trying to argue that the NHL draft is a crapshoot, but it does matter:

Pavel Datsyuk - picked in the 6th round
Valtteri Filppula - 3rd round
Johan Franzen - 3rd round
Henrik Zetterberg - 7th round
Tomas Holmstrom - 1st round
Niklas Kronwall - 1st round
Niklas Lidstrom - 1st round

I think you would see that on most teams. They don't have a superstar that was picked up in free agency, well with the exception of Hasek.

Lidstrom was 3rd round.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1989e.html

<table id="sortableTable0" class="sortable" border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr><td class="shade4">3</td> <td class="shade4">53</td> <td class="shade4">Detroit (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00005492.html)</td> <td class="shade4" width="25%">Nicklas Lidstrom (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=3146)</td> <td class="shade4">D</td> <td class="shade4">Vasteras IK [SEL]</td> <td class="shade4 r">1252</td> <td class="shade4 r">212</td> <td class="shade4 r">726</td> <td class="shade4 r">938</td> <td class="shade4 r">412</td></tr></tbody></table>

Crisis

06-05-2008, 02:08 PM

look at the other side at pittsburgh and tell me the draft isn't important.

Philagape

06-05-2008, 02:21 PM

I'm excited about the concept of a farm system that is all Sabres. I'm excited that they are stocking it with young players that have been good so far. I'm excited that we won't have depleted depth anymore.

It's not as much the players, but the concept of re-stocking the talent that has me excited.

Would I be considered a wagon hopper if I started following Portland much more next season?

Re-stocking talent is the process, and always has been in all organized sports. The alternative is the franchise literally runs out pf players. It's the most basic, fundamental function of a team, which every team does, including the worst ones.
It's like getting excited over the Zamboni.

RockStar36

06-05-2008, 02:27 PM

Re-stocking talent is the process, and always has been in all organized sports. The alternative is the franchise literally runs out pf players. It's the most basic, fundamental function of a team, which every team does, including the worst ones.
It's like getting excited over the Zamboni.

After seeing how depleted their depth was last season I'm excited to see it be re-stocked.

And Zamboni's a cool.

Philagape

06-05-2008, 03:20 PM

Clap ............. clap ............... clap.

That just shows the effects of the bone-dry drafts I listed.

TheGhostofJimKelly

06-05-2008, 07:27 PM

Lidstrom was 3rd round.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1989e.html

Sorry, either way.

Dozerdog

06-05-2008, 07:54 PM

Eb conveiiently leaves out that they had Steve Yzerman, a top pick, for most of those cups

Actually, most of the players on their team that did the bulk of the winning were top draft picks from pre-1992 - either Detroit's or another team's

Coffey, Shanahan, Lidstrom,

And they did a great job mining middle & late round picks from Europe

Dozerdog

06-05-2008, 08:01 PM

look at the other side at pittsburgh and tell me the draft isn't important.

One side is loaded with top 5 overall pics, the other has been drafting near the bottom of the first round (or not at all)

One built through the draft, the other via trades and Free agency

Both did it right