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  • The Answer
    The Plagiarist
    • Mar 2007
    • 2633
    #1

    Sportingnews: Ranking the AFC DE's

    Bills #7 - kind of generous IMO....

    http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=420914


    7. Bills. Relentless Aaron Schobel is the team's only superior edge rusher. Chris Kelsay is a decent bull rusher and is sturdy against the run. Ryan Denney (6-7, 264) has good size and athleticism but is coming off a broken foot.

    ~The Answer
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  • gr8slayer
    Registered User
    • Feb 2005
    • 20796
    #2
    Re: Sportingnews: Ranking the AFC DE's

    Sounds about right.

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    • The Spaz
      Registered User
      • Mar 2003
      • 19066
      #3
      Re: Sportingnews: Ranking the AFC DE's

      Chris Ellis hopefully will be nice addition as well.

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      • gr8slayer
        Registered User
        • Feb 2005
        • 20796
        #4
        Re: Sportingnews: Ranking the AFC DE's

        Originally posted by The Spaz
        Chris Ellis hopefully will be nice addition as well.
        we'll see. I wasn't impressed with him in college but you just never know.

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        • Jan Reimers
          Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
          • May 2003
          • 17353
          #5
          Re: Sportingnews: Ranking the AFC DE's

          I think Ellis will get some productive time as a situational pass rusher.
          Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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          • gr8slayer
            Registered User
            • Feb 2005
            • 20796
            #6
            Re: Sportingnews: Ranking the AFC DE's

            Originally posted by Jan Reimers
            I think Ellis will get some productive time as a situational pass rusher.
            I could see him as a situational pass rusher but I don't think he'll ever be a full time DE for us or anyone else at the NFL level for that matter. He just wears down too easily.

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            • Jan Reimers
              Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
              • May 2003
              • 17353
              #7
              Re: Sportingnews: Ranking the AFC DE's

              Originally posted by gr8slayer
              I could see him as a situational pass rusher but I don't think he'll ever be a full time DE for us or anyone else at the NFL level for that matter. He just wears down too easily.
              He may get bigger and stronger once he's part of the Bills' strength and conditioning program. I think he has a lot of talent.
              Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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              • gr8slayer
                Registered User
                • Feb 2005
                • 20796
                #8
                Re: Sportingnews: Ranking the AFC DE's

                Originally posted by Jan Reimers
                He may get bigger and stronger once he's part of the Bills' strength and conditioning program. I think he has a lot of talent.
                Yeah but there's a point where talent will only take you so far and the drive to succeed has to take over. Talented he may be but a high motor guy he is not, on film he appears to break down towards the end of the game.

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                • raphael120
                  Jason Peters rigorous at home training regiment
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 5152
                  #9
                  Re: Sportingnews: Ranking the AFC DE's

                  Kelsay is sturdy against the run? I think he accidentally added the "s". Should be "turdy against the run"
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                  • gr8slayer
                    Registered User
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 20796
                    #10
                    Re: Sportingnews: Ranking the AFC DE's

                    Originally posted by raphael120
                    Kelsay is sturdy against the run? I think he accidentally added the "s". Should be "turdy against the run"
                    He is....

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                    • raphael120
                      Jason Peters rigorous at home training regiment
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 5152
                      #11
                      Re: Sportingnews: Ranking the AFC DE's

                      Originally posted by gr8slayer
                      He is....
                      As evidenced by what?

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                      • gr8slayer
                        Registered User
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 20796
                        #12
                        Re: Sportingnews: Ranking the AFC DE's

                        Originally posted by raphael120
                        As evidenced by what?
                        Watch our film, watch the film of other teams, compare the two, and you'll see it. As a pass rusher he leaves a lot to be desired but as a run stopper he is just as good as anyone not in a 3-4. His lateral pursuit skills are astonishing, he has the speed, he has some of the best power moves of any DE in the league, he has the strength, etc....

                        There's a lot more to a DE than just sack totals.
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                        • The Spaz
                          Registered User
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 19066
                          #13
                          Re: Sportingnews: Ranking the AFC DE's

                          Schobel plays the run just as well. If you don't believe me go compare his tackles to other DE's.

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                          • gr8slayer
                            Registered User
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 20796
                            #14
                            Re: Sportingnews: Ranking the AFC DE's

                            Originally posted by The Spaz
                            Schobel plays the run just as well. If you don't believe me go compare his tackles to other DE's.
                            Schobel is another guy with great lateral pursuit skills which makes him dangerous against the run, but he and Kelsay are two totally different styles of DE. Schobel is more quick than he is power, Kelsay is more power than he is quick. I'd like to see us move the two around more this year to throw off the offense sense they are such polar opposites.

                            I think Kelsay could even play some DT on 3rd and long situations and let Ellis play DE.

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                            • raphael120
                              Jason Peters rigorous at home training regiment
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 5152
                              #15
                              Re: Sportingnews: Ranking the AFC DE's

                              Originally posted by gr8slayer
                              Watch our film, watch the film of other teams, compare the two, and you'll see it. As a pass rusher he leaves a lot to be desired but as a run stopper he is just as good as anyone not in a 3-4. His lateral pursuit skills are astonishing, he has the speed, he has some of the best power moves of any DE in the league, he has the strength, etc....

                              There's a lot more to a DE than just sack totals.
                              Im not looking at sack totals, Im looking at what contributed to one of the worst run stopping units in the league last year. Unless you think Kelsay was held back because of just Triplett. Obviously to have one of the worst it runs far deeper than just one DT...and then if its our LB's...then is Crowell, Digiorgio, and Ellison overrated? I've heard many people praising how well those LB's played...

                              But Im not saying he's bad, Im just saying our whole line as a whole was less to be desired last year...I'm anxious to see how well they play with Stroud in there because then there is no excuse for lack of production for Schobel OR Kelsay.

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