Wyche on Losman

[raphael120]

“I think J.P.’s got the arm, the quick feet and the escapability. When he came into the league he had to learn the presence of the game, the timing, how long he could hold onto that ball, when to get rid of it and lay it off to a secondary receiver. Plus the learning you have to do in terms of recognizing defenses. In college you don’t see as many as you do in the pros. He’s been through that now. I haven’t been around him the last couple of years so I don’t know how far along he’s come, but when I left I know he had the God-given skills. He’s certainly smart enough. He’s an intriguing guy in terms of the charisma aspect and the players like him and like being around him. So he’s got all the parts it just has to be put together the right way. Part of that is being put on a team that complements that particular guy’s talents. Those teams are out there and the best thing that his agent can do for him is try to find that team and get him there.”

http://buffalobills.com/blog/index.jsp?blogger_id=1

yeah, alot of people have god given abilities they just can't put it all together, such as it is for Losman. look at all the football players that have faded out of existence because they had all the measurables but not the ability to be great on the football field on gameday.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Wyche on Losman

http://buffalobills.com/blog/index.jsp?blogger_id=1

yeah, alot of people have god given abilities they just can't put it all together, such as it is for Losman. look at all the football players that have faded out of existence because they had all the measurables but not the ability to be great on the football field on gameday.

I blame Fairchild. I don't care if you're Manning . if you have an OC that puts you in a situation to fail, you will fail.

[Oaf]

Re: Wyche on Losman

ZBs says he plays in 08. Not that I want him to, but I see him playing around 2 games due to injury then who knows what. He's done good so far keeping a low profile in Mini camps.

[acehole]

Re: Wyche on Losman

http://buffalobills.com/blog/index.jsp?blogger_id=1

yeah, alot of people have god given abilities they just can't put it all together, such as it is for Losman. look at all the football players that have faded out of existence because they had all the measurables but not the ability to be great on the football field on gameday.

What jp did not have is he is not thier guy...plain and simple.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Wyche on Losman

What jp did not have is he is not thier guy...plain and simple.

not at this point at least. Trent is the typical QB that Dick likes. Ball control type of qb.

The coaches know JP has deep game ability. I think they're keeping him to see if he can improve on his short/ball control game.

If Trent on the other hand does not gain the consistent ability to have a deep game or the ability to make teams pay when their D plays the short passing game, his job won't be safe if JP learns how to become a ball control type of qb to go with his proven deep game.

This is why Trent needs to go practice with Evans like he said he would.

Both qb's are different. ONe can make you pay deep while the other has better bal control short passing game. They both need to learn the other qb's strength.

[The Answer]

Re: Wyche on Losman

What jp did not have is he is not thier guy...plain and simple.

I will agree that part of the reason for JP's demise was that Levy and The Corpse had it out from him since day one because he was part of the previous regime's mess. No arguement there.

But again - JP had multiple chances to prove himself, especially in 2007 when he knew that he needed to take the next step and prove he was the guy knowing they drafted a QB in the 3rd round - but even as training camp started, it was clear that Edwards was the best QB on the roster and it wasn't even close. But the front office and coaching staff still gave JP the starting job - and even a 2nd chance when Trent was injured.

~The Answer

[justasportsfan]

Re: Wyche on Losman

But again - JP had multiple chances to prove himself, especially in 2007 when he knew that he needed to take the next step and prove he was the guy knowing they drafted a QB in the 3rd round - but even as training camp started, it was clear that Edwards was the best QB on the roster and it wasn't even close. But the front office and coaching staff still gave JP the starting job - and even a 2nd chance when Trent was injured.

~The Answer

I will say this once since it's been said several times, even Trent would've failed under the same circumstances JP was in. Why do you think our FO brought in OL (regardless of who the qb was) and more weapons for Trent (weapons JP never had)

[ddaryl]

Re: Wyche on Losman

JP's position on the Bills is his own doing IMO... Sure Fairchild hasn't handled him 100% correctly... but the fact is JP had just way to many games where he barely threw for 100yds ... Nor did he appear to be able to process his reads fast enough

I will root for JP whenever he steps in to be the Bills QB, and I still hope the light comes on for him... in fact I like JP enough to follow his post Bills career and wish him well if thats what happens.

BUT like most here I agree he just didn't show the improvement necessary to allow him to have the strarter position.. if anythingn he'll have to re-earn it, and fight off the belief by many that any success he does have can not be sustained.

[TacklingDummy]

Re: Wyche on Losman

JP had the same weapons.

with JP 10-21
without JP 9-8

That's really all we need to know.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Wyche on Losman

JP's position on the Bills is his own doing IMO... Sure Fairchild hasn't handled him 100% correctly... but the fact is JP had just way to many games where he barely threw for 100yds ... Nor did he appear to be able to process his reads fast enough

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who was he going to throw to when teams clamped down on Evans? Why do you think the FO brought in more weapons for Trent? Just so that the same thing doesn't happen to Trent when teams figure him out. Unlike JP, Trent will have more options.

It was all Fairchilds doing. Even willis who wasn't known for his hands was a target in the ravens passing game in his first year with the team.

[The Answer]

Re: Wyche on Losman

I will say this once since it's been said several times, even Trent would've failed under the same circumstances JP was in. Why do you think our FO brought in OL (regardless of who the qb was) and more weapons for Trent (weapons JP never had)

Most QB's are not going to have any kind of success under in the gadgetman (mularkey) offensive system. But then again Kordell Stewart who's talent level is comparable to JP, was able to have a few decent years and at least make the playoffs.

But regardless of the circustances or lack of talent, if you are a good QB that understands NFL defenses than you are going to make plays and put up numbers regardless of the win/loss record. And I just didn't see JP as that type of QB. Sure he had a nice long ball, but when he was bad - he was really bad, especially against playoff teams. And even when he looked good, the teams in questions weren't anything to write home about.

Plus you have to look at his progress year to year:

2004 - rode the bench and was injured half the year, had a few appearances in garbage time. Rookie year so gets pass regardless.

2005 - Benched after 1-3 start, reinserted over nice game against the chiefs, only to sputter and be benched again for the remainder of season. Had a 1-7 record overall, but did come in against the chiefs and played well even though Holcomb started.

2006 - JP's best season, ranked #11 in terms of QB rating. 7-9 record highlighed by comeback win at Texans and win on the road against playoff bound Jets. When playoffs were on the line in final two weeks, made a lot of bad plays that cost us those games.

2007 - Horrendous 0-3 start, enter Trent and we get right back in the mix, exit Trent and re-enter JP and he has nice game against bengals, barely beats winless dolphins, destroyed by the pats and jags, and re-enter Trent. Likely end of JP's Bills career as we know it.

The window of opportunity to win a championship in is this league is a small one and The Corpse and front office know that, and QB is the most important position on the team so why not spin the carousel again because based on Losman's career progression it's highly unlikely he is going to get any better.

~The Answer

[LtBillsFan66]

Re: Wyche on Losman

Sounds like PR to create trade bait.

[ddaryl]

Re: Wyche on Losman

who was he going to throw to when teams clamped down on Evans? Why do you think the FO brought in more weapons for Trent? Just so that the same thing doesn't happen to Trent when teams figure him out. Unlike JP, Trent will have more options.

It was all Fairchilds doing. Even willis who wasn't known for his hands was a target in the ravens passing game in his first year with the team.

You have to shine or show improvement with whatever you have to work with...

JP basically had the same set of players to play with for a couple of years and regressed. Yes I do agree that JP didn't have the same advantage that Trent had in his 1st year... but he also didn't shine last year when he and Trent shared the same team...

The ball is only in JP's court and all he can do is take advantange of any and all opportunites he gets to redeem himslef. This is JP's battle, and if he does prevail in his opportunites then it will demonstrate a mental toughness that many say JP lacks.

I'm all for JP winning back the job, but he has to shine, and can not struggle when his opportunity developes... JP has to earn it and fight twice as hard for it... only then can he regain the confidence of Bills fans coaches and management...

No more debating for me.. that's my full opinion on JP's and his chances to ever regain the starting job

[John Doe]

Re: Wyche on Losman

I don't believe in the theory that coaches are hell-bent on playing a QB just because they drafted him.

Coaches want to win. They will play the QB who they believe gives them the best chance to win.

[X-Era]

Re: Wyche on Losman

http://buffalobills.com/blog/index.jsp?blogger_id=1

yeah, alot of people have god given abilities they just can't put it all together, such as it is for Losman. look at all the football players that have faded out of existence because they had all the measurables but not the ability to be great on the football field on gameday.

Ryan Leaf
Jeff George
Mike Vick


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