SI: 2008 cap numbers for Bills

**OpIv37** · 07-08-2008, 12:33 PM

Re: SI: 2008 cap numbers for Bills

Schobel's cap hit is 9 MILLION??????? Kelsay's is 5 Million?

WTF? No wonder this team can't win. We're paying $1.56 million for each sack.

**VeggieMan14** · 07-08-2008, 12:35 PM

Re: SI: 2008 cap numbers for Bills

Originally posted by OpIv37

Schobel's cap hit is 9 MILLION??????? Kelsay's is 5 Million?

WTF? No wonder this team can't win. We're paying $1.56 million for each sack.

yea thats prettty ridiculous. i think we payed half of these guys cuz they had one good year

**The Answer** · 07-08-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by OpIv37

Schobel's cap hit is 9 MILLION??????? Kelsay's is 5 Million?

WTF? No wonder this team can't win. We're paying $1.56 million for each sack.

Also unless Parrish's number is wrong - I can definitely see him going bye bye if Hardy and/or Johnson have a good camp. No way we should be paying a #4 receiver more money than our #1 receiver. I hope Evans don't see this.

I would also dump Fowler and his 3.3 mil in a heartbeat and start Preston at center. No wonder he is big pimping with that kind of money being paid for mediorce at best play on the field.

~The Answer

**CAbills** · 07-08-2008, 01:41 PM

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He's number 4 receiver but also the top dog on our special team unit. Had a huge punt return average last year. You forget that not too long ago we had guys like Antonio Brown running backwards. Is 4 mil too much sure, but its not like we are dying because of cap space.

**OpIv37** · 07-08-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by CAbills

He's number 4 receiver but also the top dog on our special team unit. Had a huge punt return average last year. You forget that not too long ago we had guys like Antonio Brown running backwards. Is 4 mil too much sure, but its not like we are dying because of cap space.

no but this team has a self imposed spending limit, and every player who is not performing up to their salary is a drain on resources. If we took $1 million each from Parrish, Reed, Schobel, Kelsay and Fowler to bring their salaries into a more reasonable range for their actual contributions, that's a big name FA or an extension for Evans or Crowell.

The teams that win aren't the ones that spend money wildly or the ones that don't pay anyone- they're the teams that pay players who put up big money.

Ed · 07-08-2008, 02:09 PM

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Parrish was just re-signed to a new deal last year or during the season, I can't remember. But I doubt they would have done that if he was at risk of being cut. His numbers may not have been great, but Evans' were way down too. That's what happens when you can't get good qb play. This regime likes him, and he's a star on special teams. His numbers should improve too if we actually use his abilities on offense.

**gil** · 07-08-2008, 02:21 PM

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yes, by all means, let's cut Fowler and bring in a guy who will probably go on IR the first week of camp. As for Preston, I don't think they see him as starting material - in fact I'm pretty sure he'll be a camp cut this year.

I agree some of those other numbers are crazy, but I don't think there are a lot of proven options out there in FA to replace those guys like Parrish and we have no idea what Johnson will really be like.

**madness** · 07-08-2008, 02:23 PM

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Has SI's list ever been accurate? I can't remember that far back.

**Ebenezer** · 07-08-2008, 03:53 PM

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You guys are hysterical...do you even pay atttention to the salary cap? Do you read anything Clump puts out there?

There are no such things as salary cap casualties any more. You can pay a player almost anything you want. There is so much money in the cap that you can keep anybody you want. You have to get pretty dumb with the cap to create "casualties". Moreover, the Bills are not on a self-imposed spending limit as far as the cap goes. They only shell out so much money per year. They structure contracts in a way where they are beneficial to the team without destroying the cap. The cost of some of the players. Overpaid? Some are but they have taken the philosophy to develop their own and use consistency instead of buying a team. You complain about Schoebl's cap hit. The only people in the country that ***** about his numbers are Bills fans. He's not Bruce Smith but that is the market. Withstanding all the injuries the defense hasn't been all bad. Finally, there is a MINIMUM salary cap. You have to pay somebody something to get to the minimum. In that scenario some players are going to be overpaid because in essence you are throwing money around like a drunken sailor - but that is the system; teams don't have a choice.

And some of the "highlighted" names. Really??? DO you watch the games? Moorman? Lindell? Fowler? What have Moorman and Lindell done to get canned? Fowler is average but who are you going to replace him with?

Yeah, yeah, I know. The Bills are cheap and don't want to win and didn't buy up every free agent so they suck and will suck forever.....

**X-Era** · 07-08-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by The Answer

Anybody see some potential cap cuts here? I've bolded some players of interest - some of these numbers are simply ridiculous based on the level of production:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/salaries/2008/bills.html

Player	Position	Cap Number ($)
Anderson, Courtney	TE	660,625
Barnes, Darian	RB	611,730
Bryan, Copeland	DE	376,720
Butler, Brad	OL	495,470
Chambers, Kirk	OL	526,720
Corto, Jon	S	301,720
Costanzo, Blake	LB	375,760
Crowell, Angelo	LB	1,968,750
Denney, Chris	WR	295,000
Denney, Ryan	DE	3,106,720 - complete joke
DiGiorgio, John	LB	455,054
Dockery, Derrick	OL	6,356,720
Edwards, Trent	QB	734,470
Ellison, Keith	LB	478,470
Estes, Patrick	OL	526,720
Evans, Jonathan	RB	301,720
Evans, Lee	WR	3,130,344
Everett, Kevin	TE	616,720
Fitzpatrick, D.J.	K	301,720
Fowler, Melvin	OL	3,323,388 - We need to dump and sign Bentley
Fox, Dustin	S	376,720
Gaddis, Christian	OL	376,720
Greer, Jabari	CB	1,015,000
Hamdan, Gibran	QB	526,720
Huggins, Felton	WR	301,720
Jackson, Fredrick	RB	376,720
James, Will	CB	1,250,000
Jefferson, Jason	DT	933,720
Jenkins, Justin	WR	376,720
Johnson, Spencer	DE	3,506,720
Johnson, Teyo	TE	530,200
Kelsay, Chris	DE	5,000,000 - what a joke
Lindell, Rian	K	1,566,720
Losman, J.P.	QB	3,068,250
Lynch, Marshawn	RB	1,957,873
Mace, Corey	DE	301,720
Massaquoi, Tim	TE	450,760
Mayle, Scott	WR	301,720
McCargo, John	DT	1,575,000
McCaskill, Nevin	OL	301,720
McGee, Terrence	CB	4,125,000
Mitchell, Kawika	LB	4,006,720
Moorman, Brian	K	2,243,148
Murphy, Matt	TE	642,970
Neill, Ryan	DE	376,720
Nua, Shaun	DE	376,720
Parrish, Roscoe	WR	4,261,720 - bye bye
Peters, Jason	OL	4,450,000
Posluszny, Paul	LB	873,720
Preston, Raymond 'Duke'	OL	1,036,510
Reed, Josh	WR	2,925,000 - yikes
Royal, Robert	TE	2,331,720 - way too much for a blocker
Schobel, Aaron	DE	8,729,795 - vomit inducing
Schouman, Derek	RB	376,720
Scott, Bryan	S	800,000
Simpson, Yukota 'Ko'	S	567,970
Stroud, Marcus	DT	5,673,386
Walker, Langston	OL	6,006,720
Wendling, John	S	401,407
Whitner, Donte	S	2,734,500
Whittle, Jason	OL	776,737
Williams, Kyle	DT	499,970
Wilson, George	WR	526,720
Wright, Dwayne	RB	491,970
Youboty, Ashton	CB	647,970

~The Answer

The complete joke is your take on things

I would be surprised if you can find another team who has more for less. Lots of teams have more, but not for less.

Many here need a serious awakening as to the going prices for players these days.

The ONLY part that I partly agree with is the amount of money that this says we have invested in our DE's. But with the drafting of Ellis, at least one may be headed for greener pastures... Hopefully its Denney.

**DrGraves** · 07-08-2008, 04:52 PM

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cut jp!

**X-Era** · 07-08-2008, 04:52 PM

Re: SI: 2008 cap numbers for Bills

Originally posted by The Answer

Also unless Parrish's number is wrong - I can definitely see him going bye bye if Hardy and/or Johnson have a good camp. No way we should be paying a #4 receiver more money than our #1 receiver. I hope Evans don't see this.

I would also dump Fowler and his 3.3 mil in a heartbeat and start Preston at center. No wonder he is big pimping with that kind of money being paid for mediorce at best play on the field.

~The Answer

Parrish was just extended, hes going no where.

**Coach Sal** · 07-08-2008, 05:38 PM

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They front-loaded Roscoe's new deal.

Next year (2009), his cap hit will be about $3 million.
In 2010 and 2011, it will be about $1.6 million for each season.

Even if he never catches another pass.....if he is still an elite punt returner at that time, he'll be a bargain.

**Lexwhat** · 07-08-2008, 05:56 PM

Re: SI: 2008 cap numbers for Bills

Originally posted by Ebenezer

You guys are hysterical...do you even pay atttention to the salary cap? Do you read anything Clump puts out there?

There are no such things as salary cap casualties any more. You can pay a player almost anything you want. There is so much money in the cap that you can keep anybody you want. You have to get pretty dumb with the cap to create "casualties". Moreover, the Bills are not on a self-imposed spending limit as far as the cap goes. They only shell out so much money per year. They structure contracts in a way where they are beneficial to the team without destroying the cap. The cost of some of the players. Overpaid? Some are but they have taken the philosophy to develop their own and use consistency instead of buying a team. You complain about Schoebl's cap hit. The only people in the country that ***** about his numbers are Bills fans. He's not Bruce Smith but that is the market. Withstanding all the injuries the defense hasn't been all bad. Finally, there is a MINIMUM salary cap. You have to pay somebody something to get to the minimum. In that scenario some players are going to be overpaid because in essence you are throwing money around like a drunken sailor - but that is the system; teams don't have a choice.

And some of the "highlighted" names. Really??? DO you watch the games? Moorman? Lindell? Fowler? What have Moorman and Lindell done to get canned? Fowler is average but who are you going to replace him with?

Yeah, yeah, I know. The Bills are cheap and don't want to win and didn't buy up every free agent so they suck and will suck forever.....

I dont have an issue throwing money around, except that extensions are being given to the WRONG players, and for pathetic amounts...

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Here's what I wouldn't have done:

Why the hell did the Bills give Schobel that extension last year? He didn't need it, and he wasn't worth that much. Not to mention, the guy was already 30 years old!! Never give a player that old that much money.

Ryan Denney? Robert Royal? What a joke ... Royal never deserved that contract in the first place, and everyone knew it.

The same crap is happening now with Kyle Williams.

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What would I have done differently? I can tell you:

1. I would have given Jason Peters a lucrative contract extension instead of Aaron Schobel. Peters is very young, and still has great upside.

2. I would give Angelo Crowell the same contract as Kiwika Mitchell. It's fair market value, IMHO, and Crowell is valuable to our team.

3. Pay Lee Evans. Again, throwing money around is fine, as long as we give it to young players with upside, who are valuable to our team. Lee Evans is one of those players.

4. They should have extended John McCargo BEFORE extending Kyle Williams. The Bills threw too much money at a rotational player in Williams. You know its true, when even Kyle Williams himself was shocked at the contract.

5. We should've drafted a Center already! Finding a decent one in the draft is not that difficult, and that player would have been a lot cheaper than Melvin Fowler. It's not uncommon for Centers to start in their rookie year.

6. I think the Derrick Dockery, Brad Butler, and Kiwika Mitchell contracts were excellent. I think Josh Reed and Chris Kelsay's contracts were okay, and I wont complain about them.

SI: 2008 cap numbers for Bills

SI: 2008 cap numbers for Bills

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