Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

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  • Dr. Lecter
    Zero for Zero!
    • Mar 2003
    • 67946

    Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

    With the owners opting out of the NFL CBA, there appears to be a chance that there will be significant changes to the way the NFL conducts business. I love how the NHL runs it cap - it is fairly simple and straightforward, w/o the caveats and loopholes that exist in the NFL and NBA.

    Here are some highlights:

    1. The cap hit is the average salary of the player. A player has a 5 year, 30 million dollar deal the hit is 6 million per. No playing with salaries like giving him 3 years of 5 million per, and then 2 years of 7.5. This makes it more difficult for teams to try and play with FA's by loading deals so a team can't match because of a heavy hit in one year.

    2. Deals are guaranteed so there are few bonuses and the there is no crap like LTBE and NLTBE bonuses so teams get cap credits for previous cap money "spent". There is a small bonus adjustment, but it is much less than the NFL. There are not stupid things like giving Shaud Williams a 1 million bonus if he scores 5 TDs in a game so the Bills get a credit the next season.

    3. Deals can't be extended until there is only one year left. So if you sign a 7 year deal, the player has it until at least year 6 before an extension, not a new deal can be signed. This eliminates hold-outs and essentially makes players and teams accept responsibility for what has been agreed to.

    4. A team can buy a player out, but receives a cap hit immediately of 2/3rds of the remaining deal (not 100% on the actual amount and I am too lazy to verify right now although I do have the CBA saved somewhere). Basically it makes it so teams can cut a guy, but the dead space for a non used player is damaging, but impossible. In practice, this usually happens to players with only one year left on their deal.

    5. There is a rookie cap. Self-explanatory. A must. The deals are very structured, usually 2 or 3 years and two-way deals (N/A for the NFL).

    There would have to be some changes since there is no minor league and players are not drafted 2-3 years before they actually sign a contract in the NFL (i.e. borderline vets and rookies can’t be guaranteed) and the roster sizes might cause some problems. But as a basis, especially if we see guaranteed contracts as part of the next CBA, I like the concepts.
    Originally posted by mysticsoto
    Lecter is right in everything he said.
  • OpIv37
    Acid Douching Asswipe
    • Sep 2002
    • 101313

    #2
    Re: Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

    #5 is an absolute must.

    I like #3.

    #2 and #4 are scary because it's basically impossible to get rid of a player who isn't performing without taking a huge financial/cap hit, however, it would be tough to give the teams the protection in #3 without also giving the players the protection in #2 and #4.
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    • TacklingDummy
      Unreachable Douche
      • Jul 2002
      • 71725

      #3
      Re: Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

      They should have a hard cap. If the players contract is 5 years $30 Million. It counts as $6 million per year.

      And they should do away with signing bonus.

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      • OpIv37
        Acid Douching Asswipe
        • Sep 2002
        • 101313

        #4
        Re: Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

        Originally posted by TacklingDummy
        They should have a hard cap. If the players contract is 5 years $30 Million. It counts as $6 million per year.

        And they should do away with signing bonus.
        the problem with that is that signing bonuses are guaranteed money for the players, so if they do away with signing bonuses they'll have to guarantee the contract or at least a portion of the contract.
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        • RockStar36
          Dude's Little Ignorant Crony
          • Sep 2004
          • 24761

          #5
          Re: Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

          I like the average salary deal.

          That will make it harder for teams to adjust the cap instead of them just backloading deals.

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          • Dozerdog
            In a jar, on a shelf, next to the unopened Miracle Whip.

            Administrator Emeritus
            • Jul 2002
            • 42586

            #6
            Re: Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

            Too many injuries in football - guaranteed contracts will never be the norm

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            • OpIv37
              Acid Douching Asswipe
              • Sep 2002
              • 101313

              #7
              Re: Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

              Originally posted by Dozerdog
              Too many injuries in football - guaranteed contracts will never be the norm
              yeah but they should come up with a way to guarantee the player some money without this stupid signing bonus/amortization crap. Maybe a certain number of years are guaranteed but don't count against the cap if a player is on IR for more than a certain amount of time- something along those lines.
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              • Mitchy moo
                Roways rooking ahread!
                • Sep 2005
                • 18380

                #8
                Re: Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

                Originally posted by Dozerdog
                Too many injuries in football - guaranteed contracts will never be the norm
                It's not like no one has ever been hurt in hockey, see our playoff run a few years ago against the canes for example, our bench was nearly half rochester.

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                • Dozerdog
                  In a jar, on a shelf, next to the unopened Miracle Whip.

                  Administrator Emeritus
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 42586

                  #9
                  Re: Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

                  Originally posted by Skooby
                  It's not like no one has ever been hurt in hockey, see our playoff run a few years ago against the canes for example, our bench was nearly half rochester.
                  But football injuries have a much longer and greater impact.


                  Most hockey players come back from serious injuries to be at least close to 100%. on top of that, they have a much longer time frame (Seasons are twice as long as football month wise) and Hockey has a minor league system to help players recoup and recondition.

                  One knee injury and many players are a shell of their former selves.

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                  • TacklingDummy
                    Unreachable Douche
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 71725

                    #10
                    Re: Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

                    Originally posted by OpIv37
                    the problem with that is that signing bonuses are guaranteed money for the players
                    If a player doesn't perform he shouldn't get paid. Schobel should be giving money back.

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                    • OpIv37
                      Acid Douching Asswipe
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 101313

                      #11
                      Re: Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

                      Originally posted by TacklingDummy
                      If a player doesn't perform he shouldn't get paid. Schobel should be giving money back.
                      true dat. I've always wanted to see more performance based contracts in sports, but Gene Upshaw and the players union would never allow it. Wow, getting more pay for more performance- what a novel concept. Amazing how the rest of America subscribes to that concept but athletes think they should get paid a hell of a lot more than us whether they perform or not.
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                      • Mr. Pink
                        Peterman Sucks!
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 35303

                        #12
                        Re: Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

                        I like all the ideas except 1.

                        5 is the best one, NO one should receive the type of money that the NFL pays out when you haven't proven a thing. It might get more players to escape the BUST label seeing they might play their ass off to get a big lucrative set for life contract.

                        Why I don't like 1 is because that helps the owners out and teams. Backload a contract on a guy with no intention on paying him that money. Although sure that could be ended and total contracts wouldn't seem as ridiculous...and the player would make the same, but it helps get teams to sign guys now and makes agents happy.

                        The Cap should be more like the NBA structure. If you miss on a player, you're screwed. You're stuck paying that contract and your franchise suffers. It puts more emphasis on good scouting, better coaching and better training.

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                        • gr8slayer
                          Registered User
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 20796

                          #13
                          Re: Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

                          All contracts should just be based on incentives with a couple million in guarantees, rookies or not. You play well, you get paid well, but that's not the world we live in.

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                          • Typ0
                            honey pie
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 32593

                            #14
                            Re: Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

                            there is no true economic need for the salary cap. it should be done away with and the owners should just tell the players to go screw off if they want too much money. If the league gets watered down because they won't hire the best players we'll just revolt.

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                            • Typ0
                              honey pie
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 32593

                              #15
                              Re: Should the NFL adopt a Salary Cap System Similar to the NHL

                              Originally posted by gr8slayer
                              All contracts should just be based on incentives with a couple million in guarantees, rookies or not. You play well, you get paid well, but that's not the world we live in.
                              it sounds good but is very difficult to structure the incentives because there is so many variables and the risk becomes cloudy.

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