Ellis is a beast.

[Mitchell55]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1158945007043516047&q=chris+ellis&ei=D9eISNu9NYr2rQL0m4jCCA


Fast and a hard hitter. By Kelsay.

[patmoran2006]

yer nuts bro

[Mitchell55]

yer nuts bro



You have to admit, hes better than kelsay.

[justasportsfan]

Ellis is so good, he'll make Bruuuuuce look like a bust

[patmoran2006]

maybe in a few years

[The Spaz]

I hope he gets it put together sooner rather than later. For now though I would like him to be a competent end who can sometimes stand up and rush the passer on obvious passing plays and bust a QB's head open.

[Captain gameboy]

I am the world's biggest, (and only), Chris Ellis fan.

I have watched both he and Chris Long, (second overall), for years.

Long, since he was 13, Ellis only in college.

I like Ellis better as a pro.

Disregard what you see on ML23's tape from Carolina and other non competitors.

Pay attention to what he does on this tape against Boston College, LSU and Virginia---very good O lines.

I bill-eve.

[HHURRICANE]

I watched video of Ellis after we drafted him and I was under impressed.

[Captain gameboy]

I watched video of Ellis after we drafted him and I was under impressed.

Under impressed?

Is that a phrase?

You are under informed.

[raphael120]

I don't care about what he did in college, I care about what his does in the pro level. And thus far it seems like we need to dangle a twinkie in front of him to motivate him to move.

[yordad]

Under impressed?

Is that a phrase?

You are under informed.LOL, I don't know good he will be, but that is funny. Sorry HHURRICANE.

The single quote about him from camp suggest he wasn't too impressive thus far (I know it is early, chill). I think it was a Fewell quote.

He was being billed as a pass rush specialist type. And, I wouldn't say the highlights I seen were under impressive, but I definitely wasn't thinking Brrruuuccee.

If he can give Schobel a blow or two during the game without a huge drop off, I will be happy, for now. But, drafting him in the third round, and with our semi-aging DEs, he will be expected to do more maybe sooner then later.

If he doesn't show flashes of his potential, DE could be at the top of next years draft list. Which might be a shame, because we could seemingly use the top TE.

[Mitchell55]

I am the world's biggest, (and only), Chris Ellis fan.

I have watched both he and Chris Long, (second overall), for years.

Long, since he was 13, Ellis only in college.

I like Ellis better as a pro.

Disregard what you see on ML23's tape from Carolina and other non competitors.

Pay attention to what he does on this tape against Boston College, LSU and Virginia---very good O lines.

I bill-eve.




1st off. You cant compare him to Long. Long is more of a true DE. Ellis is more of a LB than DE. 2nd, you are defintley not the only Ellis fan. I was hoping for him before the draft. The only reason I didnt put him in the mock draft was because I thought someone would get him since DE is top position in the NFL now since the giants game.

[The Spaz]

I don't care about what he did in college, I care about what his does in the pro level. And thus far it seems like we need to dangle a twinkie in front of him to motivate him to move.

WTF does that mean? He sure in the hell isn't overweight.

[TigerJ]

He appears to be very disruptive on that video, but then highlight videos are usually pretty impressive. Xavier Omon looks like a first round pick on his You Tube highlight video. Gameboy, if you like Chris Ellis that much, I'll take your word for it. I don't watch that much college ball.

[ParanoidAndroid]

6'4" 261 with room on his frame to add mass is more of a LB? He's nothing BUT a DE. The scouts who wanted to project him as a 3-4 OLB were stretching it.

[mysticsoto]

I am the world's biggest, (and only), Chris Ellis fan.

I have watched both he and Chris Long, (second overall), for years.

Long, since he was 13, Ellis only in college.

I like Ellis better as a pro.

Disregard what you see on ML23's tape from Carolina and other non competitors.

Pay attention to what he does on this tape against Boston College, LSU and Virginia---very good O lines.

I bill-eve.

GB, you've mentioned before that you think he will be good. What do you like about him? Is it his intelligence? Athleticness? Size? Personal drive? What is it about him that has you convinced he will be good as a pro?

[Tatonka]

I am the world's biggest, (and only), Chris Ellis fan.

I have watched both he and Chris Long, (second overall), for years.

Long, since he was 13, Ellis only in college.

I like Ellis better as a pro.

Disregard what you see on ML23's tape from Carolina and other non competitors.

Pay attention to what he does on this tape against Boston College, LSU and Virginia---very good O lines.

I bill-eve.

your not the only fan of ellis.

[Tatonka]

I don't care about what he did in college, I care about what his does in the pro level. And thus far it seems like we need to dangle a twinkie in front of him to motivate him to move.

because of your personal knowledge?

[DraftBoy]

GB, you've mentioned before that you think he will be good. What do you like about him? Is it his intelligence? Athleticness? Size? Personal drive? What is it about him that has you convinced he will be good as a pro?

It can't be his technique, thats for sure.

Ellis has a great motor, good drive, good power, and good speed. His technique (hand work, pass rush moves, footwork, and shedding blocks) all need work.

Also lets keep in mind who Ellis is up against when he's playing last season he recorded 8.5 sacks they came against (LSU-1, BC-1.5, Clemson-1, FSU-1, Miami-1, William and Mary-.5, Ohio-1) He beat Herman Johnson in the game v. LSU and also recorded 3 tackles in that game but no QB hurries. Not a bad day by any means against a future 1st Rounder. However in watching that game he was non-existent for the most part outside of his one sack, the other tackles were past the LOS. Against Clemson he beat a decent LT in Barry Richardson and also forced a fumble, but again put no other pressure on the QB. Against BC he did not go up against Gosder Cherilus and it showed, he had a career game recording 1.5 sacks, 4 tackles, and 7 QBH. Later in the season again against Boston College he was nullified to literally nothing.

My point is this, in watching Ellis play now for 2 seasons he has talent, he has very good speed, and very good motor. But the technique needs work, bigger tackles can completely neutralize him, and he has no real inside move that he can use consistently to keep tackles off balance. Once a guy gets his hands on him, he is pretty much done for that play because he can't break free. I see Ellis as a situational pass rusher in the league.

[feelthepain]

Gotta love how ANYONE who doesn't agree the Bills have the very best football players at every position, will be insulted!

[mysticsoto]

It can't be his technique, thats for sure.

Ellis has a great motor, good drive, good power, and good speed. His technique (hand work, pass rush moves, footwork, and shedding blocks) all need work.

Also lets keep in mind who Ellis is up against when he's playing last season he recorded 8.5 sacks they came against (LSU-1, BC-1.5, Clemson-1, FSU-1, Miami-1, William and Mary-.5, Ohio-1) He beat Herman Johnson in the game v. LSU and also recorded 3 tackles in that game but no QB hurries. Not a bad day by any means against a future 1st Rounder. However in watching that game he was non-existent for the most part outside of his one sack, the other tackles were past the LOS. Against Clemson he beat a decent LT in Barry Richardson and also forced a fumble, but again put no other pressure on the QB. Against BC he did not go up against Gosder Cherilus and it showed, he had a career game recording 1.5 sacks, 4 tackles, and 7 QBH. Later in the season again against Boston College he was nullified to literally nothing.

My point is this, in watching Ellis play now for 2 seasons he has talent, he has very good speed, and very good motor. But the technique needs work, bigger tackles can completely neutralize him, and he has no real inside move that he can use consistently to keep tackles off balance. Once a guy gets his hands on him, he is pretty much done for that play because he can't break free. I see Ellis as a situational pass rusher in the league.

But technique can be taught, can't it? You don't see him improving and being able to develop into a star?

[DraftBoy]

But technique can be taught, can't it? You don't see him improving and being able to develop into a star?

Can it be? Yes but that does not mean its guaranteed and the kid has never learned good technique. You're talking about going back to basic football to completely refine his game. Thats a big undertaking and when you get a player out there who is doing more thinking than playing, its a recipe for disaster.

[justasportsfan]

Can it be? Yes but that does not mean its guaranteed and the kid has never learned good technique. You're talking about going back to basic football to completely refine his game. Thats a big undertaking and when you get a player out there who is doing more thinking than playing, its a recipe for disaster.
JAson Peters learned 2 different positions. RT and then LT. It may not be guaranteed but I don't see how a DE can't learn to have good technique in the same position he's been playing for years.

[DraftBoy]

JAson Peters learned 2 different positions. RT and then LT. It may not be guaranteed but I don't see how a DE can't learn to have good technique in the same position he's been playing for years.

You kind of make me point for me...Peters learned a completely different position, but he already was a good blocker in college for Arkansas. He just needed footwork help and hand placement. Ellis has been a DE for 5 or 6 years now and has never picked up on the finer points of being a DE, that doesn't concern you at all?

[justasportsfan]

You kind of make me point for me...Peters learned a completely different position, but he already was a good blocker in college for Arkansas. He just needed footwork help and hand placement. Ellis has been a DE for 5 or 6 years now and has never picked up on the finer points of being a DE, that doesn't concern you at all?
You'll be amazed what good coaching can do for a player. Ask Tim Brown, Seau and other players that have made switches to positions they've never played in at college.

IF Jason Peters was a good blocker, Ellis was a good De. Not great but good.

[DraftBoy]

You'll be amazed what good coaching can do for a player. Ask Tim Brown, Seau and other players that have made switches to positions they've never played in at college.

Ellis isn't switching to a position he's never played before and I dont think that Bill Kolar to be the cream of the crop as a DL coach, I mean sure he has had sucess, just look at the development so far of...um....yea...never mind.

[justasportsfan]

Ellis isn't switching to a position he's never played before and I dont think that Bill Kolar to be the cream of the crop as a DL coach, I mean sure he has had sucess, just look at the development so far of...um....yea...never mind.


There have been players that have been average players in college that had better pro careers playing the same position. Brady is one of them. He wasn't all that in college. You also can't tell me that there hasn't been any player that had bad technique althroughout college that didn't improve at the pro level. While I'm not saying Ellis will be one of them, I also won't count him out.

[DraftBoy]

There have been players that have been average players in college that had better pro careers playing the same position. Brady is one of them. He wasn't all that in college.

Im well aware of that fact and there are some guys in college who were very good who do squat in the pros. Ellis was a very good college DE, he was not average.

[justasportsfan]

Im well aware of that fact and there are some guys in college who were very good who do squat in the pros. Ellis was a very good college DE, he was not average.
so there you go. It's neither here nor there and yet you sound like he will fail based on college where you say he was very good.

[DraftBoy]

so there you go. It's neither here nor there and yet you sound like he will fail based on college where you say he was very good.

Not what I said.

[justasportsfan]

Not what I said.
that what it sounds like

[Jan Reimers]

your not the only fan of ellis.
Make it at least 3 fans. I think with his size and quickness, he'll be a disruptive force - and soon.

[DraftBoy]

that what it sounds like

No that's what you inferred. If you want to quote where I said Ellis will fail feel free to point that out.

[mysticsoto]

Can it be? Yes but that does not mean its guaranteed and the kid has never learned good technique. You're talking about going back to basic football to completely refine his game. Thats a big undertaking and when you get a player out there who is doing more thinking than playing, its a recipe for disaster.

Well one of the reasons why I don't like to judge these things too quickly is b'cse in school they have all sorts of distractions with the academics such that it might be hard to focus everything on football. I mean, when Bruce Smith came out of college, he was a bit chubby and no one knew the star he would become. I guess he's another one I'll have to keep an eye on in TC.

[DraftBoy]

Well one of the reasons why I don't like to judge these things too quickly is b'cse in school they have all sorts of distractions with the academics such that it might be hard to focus everything on football. I mean, when Bruce Smith came out of college, he was a bit chubby and no one knew the star he would become. I guess he's another one I'll have to keep an eye on in TC.

You were worried about distractions from academics but now these guys are multi-millionaires...talk about distractions...

[justasportsfan]

No that's what you inferred. If you want to quote where I said Ellis will fail feel free to point that out.
how can I quote a sounda like? Let me just combine your thoughts on him then.



Not my scouting report but similar to what I had;

"We really feel that Chris is a better college player than he will be as a pro. He was able to use his quickness to his advantage at the college level and was productive as a result. When his skill set is matched at the pro level he will struggle to be a difference maker on the field. Some have looked at him as an OLB in a 3-4 scheme, but he lacks the elite athleticism and versatile skill set to make that switch. If Chris brings his lunch pail to the pro level he stands a chance to make it as a situational pass rusher and perhaps even more. If not, this kid has 3 years and off into the land of NFL obscurity written all over him"


I've also heard from a very reliable source that he is very thin.

Poor draft choice.



we know you don't think much of him which is why you would rather talk about him not having the ability to learn better technique in the NFL.

Like I said, while my opinion of him is neither here nor there, you on the other hand make it sound that it's only going one way, your negativeopinions of him.

[DraftBoy]

we know you don't think much of him which is why you would rather talk about him not having the ability to learn better technique in the NFL.

Like I said, while my opinion of him is neither here nor there, you on the other hand make it sound that it's only going one way, your negativeopinions of him.

Again where did I say that? You have this tendency when your debating to pull things out of midair and act they were said when they in fact weren't. Please stick to only what I say. And what I said was that since he's been a DE for 5-6 years and so far not learned said techniques, what evidence do you have (if any) supports the hypothesis that he magically will? I never said he does not have the ability to do so. I simply said that his college play, and his history are not indicative of such happening.

[Captain gameboy]

GB, you've mentioned before that you think he will be good. What do you like about him? Is it his intelligence? Athleticness? Size? Personal drive? What is it about him that has you convinced he will be good as a pro?

What I like most about him is his quickness and ability to finish a play. I am so tired of giving up third down conversions because our DE’s don’t have that last burst to defeat a block or the agility to turn the corner and get the stop in the backfield, so they waste a good initial move by getting angled out of the play.
The times I have seen Ellis, he has run all over the field, and makes tackles in space, against pretty quick players.
I don’t think our two LDE’s could do that.
Additionally, I think he could handle more weight without losing too much speed, at least that’s what his frame looks like to me.

I’ve never been a big Chris Long fan, though he did have a knockout senior year.
Before that, he would get stood up at the line by most LT’s with mass. This year they moved him around a lot for match up reasons.
The point is that I think Ellis has more upside than Long, though he is years behind him in technique.

By the way fellas, I was kidding when I said I was his only fan. I made the comment because of the DC comments.

[justasportsfan]

Again where did I say that? You have this tendency when your debating to pull things out of midair and act they were said when they in fact weren't. Please stick to only what I say. And what I said was that since he's been a DE for 5-6 years and so far not learned said techniques, what evidence do you have (if any) supports the hypothesis that he magically will? I never said he does not have the ability to do so. I simply said that his college play, and his history are not indicative of such happening.


I said it sounds like. Let me rephrase that, you imply . ;)



Can it be? Yes but that does not mean its guaranteed and the kid has never learned good technique. You're talking about going back to basic football to completely refine his game. Thats a big undertaking and when you get a player out there who is doing more thinking than playing, its a recipe for disaster. .



He just needed footwork help and hand placement. Ellis has been a DE for 5 or 6 years now and has never picked up on the finer points of being a DE, that doesn't concern you at all?.

[Mad Max]

You have to admit, hes better than kelsay.

But then who isn't better than Kelsay?

[Devin]

Ive only seen him in a handful of games, I watched a lot of him just before/after he was drafted. While I dont think hes the 2nd coming or anything I certainly believe he has the talent to start and at the minimum be an upgrade over Kelsay.

I was just thrilled we drafted a DLman before the 5th round.