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  • OpIv37
    Acid Douching Asswipe
    • Sep 2002
    • 101232

    Hey Clump/Eb/other cap nerds

    Is there an authoritative source on "dead cap" anywhere?

    I'd like to see where the Bills rank in terms of dead cap. One indicator of how well "cash to cap" actually works would be the amount of dead cap- theoretically, it should be close to zero.
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  • clumping platelets

    #2
    Re: Hey Clump/Eb/other cap nerds

    Look at my cap page............95% correct

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    • hydro
      Registered User
      • Oct 2005
      • 20160

      #3
      Re: Hey Clump/Eb/other cap nerds

      Dead Cap $5,314,721
      BERNIAC!

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      • clumping platelets

        #4
        Re: Hey Clump/Eb/other cap nerds

        it's actually more like 99% correct

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        • OpIv37
          Acid Douching Asswipe
          • Sep 2002
          • 101232

          #5
          Re: Hey Clump/Eb/other cap nerds

          thanks but I was looking for how it compares to other teams. Do you know where the dead cap for other teams is listed?
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          • clumping platelets

            #6
            Re: Hey Clump/Eb/other cap nerds

            There are no official listings. Search for cap pages like mine

            I know Miami's is around $18 million

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            • OpIv37
              Acid Douching Asswipe
              • Sep 2002
              • 101232

              #7
              Re: Hey Clump/Eb/other cap nerds

              well, thanks for the response.
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              • THATHURMANATOR
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 69112

                #8
                Re: Hey Clump/Eb/other cap nerds

                What will be the rant surrounding this?

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                • OpIv37
                  Acid Douching Asswipe
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 101232

                  #9
                  Re: Hey Clump/Eb/other cap nerds

                  Originally posted by THATHURMANATOR
                  What will be the rant surrounding this?
                  do I really have to explain it?

                  The way "cash to cap" works is that the Bills don't amortize bonuses or guaranteed money over multiple years. The bonus is paid in the first year of the contract and after that the player's cap number is very close to their actual salary (Clump's page confirms that this is true in most cases).

                  Dead cap comes from players who have had bonuses amortized but are no longer with the team. For example, we had to eat about $5 million the first season that Bledsoe was cut. Given that this is our 3rd season of cash to cap, if it is managed properly we should have little to no dead cap if the cash to cap strategy is managed properly.

                  Clump has reported that we have about $5 million in dead cap. Given the salary cap for this year, that seems small. However, the only basis for comparison is to see where the Bills rank amongst the other NFL teams.

                  Long story short: Dead cap is one way of evaluating the effectiveness of "cash to cap." If we still have a lot of dead cap that can't be used to sign players, that means cash to cap isn't effective or isn't being managed properly. If we don't have a lot of dead cap, that's a sign that cash to cap is working in at least one area (and that appears to be the case, but I won't know for sure until I have time to look up other dead cap numbers).
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                  • Ickybaluky
                    Registered User
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 8884

                    #10
                    Re: Hey Clump/Eb/other cap nerds

                    The Patriots have about $7.84M in dead cap.

                    The majority is due to Corey Dillon ($3.85M), Rosey Colvin ($1.83M), Kyle Brady ($1M) and Donte' Stallworth ($0.83M).

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                    • Dr. Lecter
                      Zero for Zero!
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 67938

                      #11
                      Re: Hey Clump/Eb/other cap nerds

                      One thing to remember is that cash to cap was started last season. So some deals (i.e. Tripplett) of released players will still count towards the cap until they are all weaned out.

                      So 5 million this season should (in theory) go down next year.
                      Originally posted by mysticsoto
                      Lecter is right in everything he said.

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                      • OpIv37
                        Acid Douching Asswipe
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 101232

                        #12
                        Re: Hey Clump/Eb/other cap nerds

                        Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                        One thing to remember is that cash to cap was started last season. So some deals (i.e. Tripplett) of released players will still count towards the cap until they are all weaned out.

                        So 5 million this season should (in theory) go down next year.
                        wasn't it started Marv's first season as GM?
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                        • Ickybaluky
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 8884

                          #13
                          Re: Hey Clump/Eb/other cap nerds

                          Also, I remember that earlier in the offseason the Lions had the most dead cap in the NFL, over $15M. That was because they cut some expensive guys in the last couple years, and it will likely go up when they cut guys in camp.

                          That makes sense, since the Lions are a joke.

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                          • Ebenezer
                            Give me a minute...
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 73868

                            #14
                            Re: Hey Clump/Eb/other cap nerds

                            Originally posted by OpIv37
                            do I really have to explain it?

                            The way "cash to cap" works is that the Bills don't amortize bonuses or guaranteed money over multiple years. The bonus is paid in the first year of the contract and after that the player's cap number is very close to their actual salary (Clump's page confirms that this is true in most cases).

                            Dead cap comes from players who have had bonuses amortized but are no longer with the team. For example, we had to eat about $5 million the first season that Bledsoe was cut. Given that this is our 3rd season of cash to cap, if it is managed properly we should have little to no dead cap if the cash to cap strategy is managed properly.

                            Clump has reported that we have about $5 million in dead cap. Given the salary cap for this year, that seems small. However, the only basis for comparison is to see where the Bills rank amongst the other NFL teams.

                            Long story short: Dead cap is one way of evaluating the effectiveness of "cash to cap." If we still have a lot of dead cap that can't be used to sign players, that means cash to cap isn't effective or isn't being managed properly. If we don't have a lot of dead cap, that's a sign that cash to cap is working in at least one area (and that appears to be the case, but I won't know for sure until I have time to look up other dead cap numbers).
                            You misunderstand a lot.




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                            • clumping platelets

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