I'm just going to come out and say it...

[Mudflap1]

Jason Peters is overrated.

Who's with me?

Granted, he is a good player, I'm not saying that. I'm not even saying that he didn't deserve to go to the Pro Bowl last year. However, a lot of people (on here, and writers like Peter King) have said Peters is one of the best left tackles in the league, bar none. I don't see it yet.

This post is not in regards to saying Peters deserves a pay raise, doesn't deserve a pay raise, etc. Again, he's a good player. But I see a lot of people saying things to the effect of "just pay the guy what he wants, he's one of the elite left tackles" and "our season is over if Jason Peters isn't around", and I don't agree with that. In fact, I think (while they are different positions), Dockery and Butler were more consistent run blockers last year. I think our season may not be a success because we just don't have the horses yet overall, it's not because of putting all of our eggs in Jason Peters' basket. He wasn't the difference-maker we needed last year.

I think Peters has the ability to be an elite player, I just don't think he's there yet. And I don't agree to pay a player based on what a lot of people think he may be, but isn't yet, and what they think he could be.

Jon

[realdealryan]

Overrated doesn't matter when the other option is Kirk Chambers. We're not going to get great value at every position. There will be some overpayment; it comes with the territory.

[Goobylal]

Jason Peters is overrated.

Who's with me?

Granted, he is a good player, I'm not saying that. I'm not even saying that he didn't deserve to go to the Pro Bowl last year. However, a lot of people (on here, and writers like Peter King) have said Peters is one of the best left tackles in the league, bar none. I don't see it yet.

This post is not in regards to saying Peters deserves a pay raise, doesn't deserve a pay raise, etc. Again, he's a good player. But I see a lot of people saying things to the effect of "just pay the guy what he wants, he's one of the elite left tackles" and "our season is over if Jason Peters isn't around", and I don't agree with that. In fact, I think (while they are different positions), Dockery and Butler were more consistent run blockers last year. I think our season may not be a success because we just don't have the horses yet overall, it's not because of putting all of our eggs in Jason Peters' basket. He wasn't the difference-maker we needed last year.

I think Peters has the ability to be an elite player, I just don't think he's there yet. And I don't agree to pay a player based on what a lot of people think he may be, but isn't yet, and what they think he could be.

Jon
Well, that's just your opinion that he's overrated. He was 2nd-team AP All-Pro last year, meaning he was at worst the 3rd best LT in the NFL, according to the guys who get paid to choose players, without bias (unlike the Pro Bowl, which is popularity contest). The guys ahead of him were Walter Jones (no argument there) and Matt Light, who didn't have as good a season as Peters. And considering the Bills' offense last year and the fact that Peters has only been playing OT for 3 years, he's even more remarkable.

That being said, it's unfortunate that he hasn't even contacted the team and shown-up to anything since January. Hopefully it's a matter of getting bad advice from his POS agent, and he'll come to his senses soon and fire him.

[Dr. Lecter]

Peters is not overrated.

He is one of the best (along with Joe Thomas) young LTs in the NFL. He is not perfect, but he is damn good.

[X-Era]

Jason Peters is overrated.

Who's with me?

Granted, he is a good player, I'm not saying that. I'm not even saying that he didn't deserve to go to the Pro Bowl last year. However, a lot of people (on here, and writers like Peter King) have said Peters is one of the best left tackles in the league, bar none. I don't see it yet.

This post is not in regards to saying Peters deserves a pay raise, doesn't deserve a pay raise, etc. Again, he's a good player. But I see a lot of people saying things to the effect of "just pay the guy what he wants, he's one of the elite left tackles" and "our season is over if Jason Peters isn't around", and I don't agree with that. In fact, I think (while they are different positions), Dockery and Butler were more consistent run blockers last year. I think our season may not be a success because we just don't have the horses yet overall, it's not because of putting all of our eggs in Jason Peters' basket. He wasn't the difference-maker we needed last year.

I think Peters has the ability to be an elite player, I just don't think he's there yet. And I don't agree to pay a player based on what a lot of people think he may be, but isn't yet, and what they think he could be.

Jon

Hes done a fantastic job against Taylor, Abraham, and Peppers to name a few... thats overrated? Maybe your standards are set too high.

[Typ0]

doing well for a season doesn't mean jack ****. he's not going to get a huge payday. he's going to get a raise and play and see if he continues to get better. If he gets better than that means something.

[Devin]

The problem is its easy for guys like the above to say "hes good but not great" or "hes only done it one season".....etc. Now what Typo just posted is true, however completley inaccurate to the current situation.

Reality is he was a UDFA whose freakish athleticism had him playing all over the place. He played 06 at RT then moved to LT and easily has been (and moving forward flat out is) our best Olman. Hes moved, learned and played whereever he was asked and done it at a very high level.

Regardless of our opinion the consensus is that at worst hes a top 5 LT.

Now I am not a fan of holdouts and renegotiations....etc. But I truly dont believe this is a position you dont mess with, and given what the current rates are and what we are paying other linemen not resigning Peters imo is simply going to hurt more in the long run.

Yes I say pay the man, franchise calibur LT entering the prime of thier career are simply to hard to find. And if Trent Edwards ends up being the answer, well I guess any QB for that matter, I suspect they would sure feel good knowing thier backside is protected.

[Romes]

We'll find out exactly how overrated he is if we open the season without him.


...and it won't be pretty.

[Philagape]

Getting better means being the No. 1 tackle in the NFL, and he'll want even more then.
He deserves a raise, and he's played at a high level for TWO seasons. Last year was just the first he was recognized for it.
The offense was noticeably affected when he was injured last year. He is a difference-maker.

[Captain gameboy]

I'm not with you.

The guy is a freak.

He can straight up block a power rush.
He can move guys out on a run.

His is quick enough to handle any outside move.

I have seen the guy literally run DE's out of bounds.

Jason Peters provides us an advantage against everyone we play.

He is poorly represented.

[Devin]

We'll find out exactly how overrated he is if we open the season without him.


...and it won't be pretty.

No kidding, you wanna know how valuable Jason peters is? Watch Chambers or whoever trying to keep Patrick Kerney from murdering Trent week 1.

That will be pretty.

[Night Train]

Here's my prediction.

Opening day against Seattle, he'll be starting.

[X-Era]

I'm not with you.

The guy is a freak.

He can straight up block a power rush.
He can move guys out on a run.

His is quick enough to handle any outside move.

I have seen the guy literally run DE's out of bounds.

Jason Peters provides us an advantage against everyone we play.



He is poorly represented.

:clap:

Absolutely on the money!

[Captain gameboy]

Here's my prediction.

Opening day against Seattle, he'll be starting.

Ditto

[X-Era]

Here's my prediction.

Opening day against Seattle, he'll be starting.

I think and hope your right

[Captain gameboy]

I'll go beyond that.

We have two great players.

Lee Evans, who about half of the NFL elite know about, and Jason Peters, who less fans bust most staffs know about.

I don't think there is a DE in the league who can can consistently beat him.

[patmoran2006]

If you consider him overated, I invite you to find 4 OT in the NFL you'd rather have as a Buffalo Bill at left tackle going forward; contract issue aside.'

He's not overated .He's underated. He's the single most important and valuable player to his team.

[patmoran2006]

No kidding, you wanna know how valuable Jason peters is? Watch Chambers or whoever trying to keep Patrick Kerney from murdering Trent week 1.

That will be pretty.
I dont think you'll see that.. But what you would see if Robert Royal, another tight end and/or a running back having to help cover Chambers on every passing play.. Which means fewer receivers out in patterns, less options, more checkdowns and an extremely bland, predictable and boring offense.

[Goobylal]

doing well for a season doesn't mean jack ****. he's not going to get a huge payday. he's going to get a raise and play and see if he continues to get better. If he gets better than that means something.
He played at a Pro Bowl level in 2006, but was moved from RT to LT midway and couldn't garner enough votes for either position alone. Not to mention he played well in the 2nd half of 2005.

[Wally The Barber]

I wish I could agree with you but.......

[BillsPride12]

I'm not with you when I still have haunting images of Mike Williams, Mike Gandy, and Tutan Reyes in my head.

[Mudflap1]

If you consider him overated, I invite you to find 4 OT in the NFL you'd rather have as a Buffalo Bill at left tackle going forward; contract issue aside.'

He's not overated .He's underated. He's the single most important and valuable player to his team.

I'd rather have RIGHT NOW (in no order)...

Joe Thomas
Walter Jones
Chris Samuels
a healthy Orlando Pace

I'd be tempted to want guys such as these RIGHT NOW...

Marcus McNeill
William Thomas
Jammal Brown
Matt Light

(I'll omit Jake Long since he is highly touted, but unproven)

That being said, I think Peters is talented. I agree with the above points that he doesn't have that much experience playing LT, and in time may turn out to be great. I just don't think he's proven it yet. Also, I agree that Peters' strength is his pass blocking. However, I think he definitely needs work run blocking. If he was such a great run blocker, then running off of he and Dockery (a run blocking specialist) should produce 4 yards a carry in their sleep. That was not the case last year. There were plenty of times when the run got stuffed on the left side, and there were times when the Bills were more successful running on the right side. That's what I'm saying.

Pay the guy. Give him a raise. But don't pull your pants down and give him whatever he wants because he's the greatest LT in the world. He's not. He's good, upper echelont, but not more than that (right now).

I also disagree that he is the most important piece of this team. If that was the case, then the Bills would've had a lot of their prayers answered last year. They didn't. I think (and this gets old saying this), but the most important piece to this team, this year, is the quarterback. And yes, I do realize and agree that having a good left tackle beside your quarterback is very important.

Jon

[Ickybaluky]

Matt Light

I love Light, but speaking for the Pats I would be happy to trade him straight up for Peters.

You didn't watch the Super Bowl, did you?

[Ickybaluky]

Joe Thomas

Wasn't your criticism of Peters that he only did it for one year?


Walter Jones

He is getting a little long in the tooth. He hasn't played the same since Hutchinson left.


Chris Samuels

First of all, the guy has struggled with injuries and is getting old. Second of all, he isn't right now as good as Peters.


a healthy Orlando Pace

Something that hasn't been seen in years.


Marcus McNeill

Had a heck of a rookie season, but he struggled last year. Again, wasn't your criticism of Peters his inexperience?


William Thomas

He is in the argument, but a older than Peters.


Jammal Brown

Please. He played real well as a rookie, but then his game dropped off considerably. They were going to trade him in the offseason.

[Goobylal]

I'd rather have RIGHT NOW (in no order)...

Joe Thomas
Walter Jones
Chris Samuels
a healthy Orlando Pace

I'd be tempted to want guys such as these RIGHT NOW...

Marcus McNeill
William Thomas
Jammal Brown
Matt Light

(I'll omit Jake Long since he is highly touted, but unproven)

That being said, I think Peters is talented. I agree with the above points that he doesn't have that much experience playing LT, and in time may turn out to be great. I just don't think he's proven it yet. Also, I agree that Peters' strength is his pass blocking. However, I think he definitely needs work run blocking. If he was such a great run blocker, then running off of he and Dockery (a run blocking specialist) should produce 4 yards a carry in their sleep. That was not the case last year. There were plenty of times when the run got stuffed on the left side, and there were times when the Bills were more successful running on the right side. That's what I'm saying.

Pay the guy. Give him a raise. But don't pull your pants down and give him whatever he wants because he's the greatest LT in the world. He's not. He's good, upper echelont, but not more than that (right now).

I also disagree that he is the most important piece of this team. If that was the case, then the Bills would've had a lot of their prayers answered last year. They didn't. I think (and this gets old saying this), but the most important piece to this team, this year, is the quarterback. And yes, I do realize and agree that having a good left tackle beside your quarterback is very important.

Jon
I wouldn't trade Peters for any other LT except for possibly Joe Thomas, but Thomas has only been in the NFL for a year and could have a down year like Marcus McNeill had. If Walter Jones were 26 like Peters, I'd do it, but he's 8 years older. Ditto for Pace. The rest are good but not as good. And again, Peters is still developing.

[patmoran2006]

Thomas is the only LT in football I'd rather have on my team if I was starting my own team tommorow.

[Nighthawk]

Umm, Peters is VERRRY good! Case closed.

Next subject...

[Mitchy moo]

Over the next few years, he may become the best in the game. Then the contract he'll have soon will seem like a bargain.

[Ickybaluky]

I think Chad Clifton and Flozell Adams should be in the argument as well, but both are considerably older than Peters and I wouldn't take either over him.

[Goobylal]

I think Chad Clifton and Flozell Adams should be in the argument as well, but both are considerably older than Peters and I wouldn't take either over him.
True on both points.

[HHURRICANE]

Jason Peters is overrated.

Who's with me?

Granted, he is a good player, I'm not saying that. I'm not even saying that he didn't deserve to go to the Pro Bowl last year. However, a lot of people (on here, and writers like Peter King) have said Peters is one of the best left tackles in the league, bar none. I don't see it yet.

This post is not in regards to saying Peters deserves a pay raise, doesn't deserve a pay raise, etc. Again, he's a good player. But I see a lot of people saying things to the effect of "just pay the guy what he wants, he's one of the elite left tackles" and "our season is over if Jason Peters isn't around", and I don't agree with that. In fact, I think (while they are different positions), Dockery and Butler were more consistent run blockers last year. I think our season may not be a success because we just don't have the horses yet overall, it's not because of putting all of our eggs in Jason Peters' basket. He wasn't the difference-maker we needed last year.

I think Peters has the ability to be an elite player, I just don't think he's there yet. And I don't agree to pay a player based on what a lot of people think he may be, but isn't yet, and what they think he could be.

Jon

He's our best player. PERIOD.

[raphael120]

OK, to the starter of this thread, I'm not even going to type out a well thought out response aside from this:

youre ****ing crazy

I'm not wasting my breath arguing. He's so overrated he made it to the Pro Bowl and so overrated our run game did jack **** without him in. So overrated when we ran the ball, we always ran it to his side.

[Dr. Lecter]

If you consider him overated, I invite you to find 4 OT in the NFL you'd rather have as a Buffalo Bill at left tackle going forward; contract issue aside.'

He's not overated .He's underated. He's the single most important and valuable player to his team.

I can only think of one and that is Joe Thomas. Mainly because he is a few years younger and was a beast as a rookie.

[patmoran2006]

I can only think of one and that is Joe Thomas. Mainly because he is a few years younger and was a beast as a rookie.
Hell ya.. Joe Thomas is already a stud.. What a great move by Cleveland.

Outside of him though, either because of talent or age, there isn't anyone I'm taking over Peters and I'm pretty sure most GM's in the league would say the same thing.. I don't think we're stating anything groundbreaking here.

[DrGraves]

did you notice marshawn dominated running to the left last year...? do you know who he was running behind?

[Mudflap1]

Look... the guy is good... I just don't think he's the F'N MAN (yet) like most people on here think. I get it... you guys want someone to rally behind. He's a good story, he had a GOOD year last year, I'm just not ready to enshrine the guy yet. Let's see if he keeps improving. I'd be happy to see the guy dominate this year. I just have not seen him dominate yet. If he was dominating, with Dockery, this team would've been mauling people on the ground last year. I didn't see us mauling anybody. In fact, I saw a lot of Lynch breaking tackles and making nothing plays into somethings.

And no, we did not only run behind Peters to get yards. Like it or not, the right side did a good job run blocking last year. About as good as the left side. I saw the games too. Peters is good, but he's not a dominating run blocker yet. He's not Walter Jones, William Thomas, or Jon Runyan.

I see a lot of complaining about other left tackles mentioned... if Peters is the best player on the Bills and is the difference-maker that everyone says he is, then the Bills should be winning more. Maybe not 10-11 games, but winning more. Most of the other guys mentioned are on teams that win. Yes, it's about more than one guy, but still... if Peters is all that and a bag of chips, then he will dominate, we will run behind him and Dockery, and we'll steamroll people on offense. I want to see it happen. I have not seen that happen yet.

Geez, you guys can't have it every way you want it. Peters is amazing... Lynch is amazing... Edwards is a rising star... Lee Evans is great... the D is improving... and the team has been 7-9 the last two years. The proof is in the pudding, as always. We'll see if the Bills are better than 7-9 or 8-8 this year. As we all know, it all starts up front. Peters is a big (if not the biggest) part of that.

Jon

[Mudflap1]

I love Light, but speaking for the Pats I would be happy to trade him straight up for Peters.

You didn't watch the Super Bowl, did you?

Yes I did. It's the game your team choked in because your fairy quarterback doesn't like to get hit. He probably squats to take a piss...

Matt Light, while he didn't have a good game, is a lot more accomplished than any offensive lineman on the Buffalo Bills.

I suppose you think Asante Samuel sucks too?

Jon

[Mudflap1]

OK, to the starter of this thread, I'm not even going to type out a well thought out response aside from this:

youre ****ing crazy

I'm not wasting my breath arguing. He's so overrated he made it to the Pro Bowl and so overrated our run game did jack **** without him in. So overrated when we ran the ball, we always ran it to his side.

Yes, he made the Pro Bowl, and good for him. I'm not saying he didn't have a good year. However, how many times did Ruben Brown make the Pro Bowl in a row? Wasn't he considered overrated? The point is, making the Pro Bowl doesn't make you automatically exempt from being considered overrated.

The Bills only ran to the left side? Then why didn't the run game dominate more? And we did not run the ball always to Peters' side. We ran the ball to the right side as well, and ran it about as effectively.

I never said that he doesn't make the team better. He's a good player. I just feel he's overrated and overhyped, particularly (as I'm seeing it) by the Bills fans (what a shock!).

Op, where are you? This thread is made for you!

Jon

[don137]

Jason Peters is overrated.

Who's with me?

Granted, he is a good player, I'm not saying that. I'm not even saying that he didn't deserve to go to the Pro Bowl last year. However, a lot of people (on here, and writers like Peter King) have said Peters is one of the best left tackles in the league, bar none. I don't see it yet.
Jon

You're saying he did deserve to go to the pro bowl but he is not one of the best tackles in the league. The pro bowl is for the better players of the league so your logic does not add up. If he did deserve to go then he IS one of the better players in the league.

[OpIv37]

Threads like this are what drives me insane.

When Peters is showing up and playing well, he's a great success story and one of the best tackles in the league, blah blah blah.

As soon as he starts giving the Bills problems, he's suddenly overrated?

Calling Peters overrated is just a way to alleviate concerns about the talent gap between him and Chambers. Maybe the national media is kissing his ass a little too much for what amounts to two solid seasons at LT, but the talent gap between him and his back up is still VERY real.

[Mr. Pink]

Overrated? No. Underrated? No.

He's a top 5-8 LT in football and everyone knows it and recognizes this fact.

[Ickybaluky]

He's not Walter Jones, William Thomas, or Jon Runyan.

Runyan is a RT and 34 years old, and turns 35 this season. He has never played LT, because he isn't a strong pass protector. He is a mauler.

Jones is 34.

Thomas is 33 and turns 34 in November.

Peters is 26. Yet, you are willing to trade him for those guys?

Also, Peter's wasn't just a Pro Bowler. He was also All-Pro, which means if they were to start a team from among every player in the league, he would be on it.

[Ickybaluky]

Yes I did. It's the game your team choked in because your fairy quarterback doesn't like to get hit. He probably squats to take a piss...

You must not have watched the game, because this just exposes your ignorance.

Brady completed 60% of his passes and threw for 266 yards in that game, and didn't throw an interception despite being under heavy rush and having no running game to take the pressure off.

The Pats lost that game because the Giants front overwhelmed them on the LOS. Brady is the only reason they came close to pulling it out anyway.


YMatt Light, while he didn't have a good game, is a lot more accomplished than any offensive lineman on the Buffalo Bills.

Matt Light is very accomplished. He is a very good player, one of the best tackles in the game. He just isn't as good as Jason Peters.


I suppose you think Asante Samuel sucks too?

I'm not sure what this has to do with the argument, but no, I don't.

[Dr. Lecter]

He was probably referencing the Tyree catch. Had Samuel finished on that play, the Pats win the game.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Jason Peters is overrated.

Who's with me?

Granted, he is a good player, I'm not saying that. I'm not even saying that he didn't deserve to go to the Pro Bowl last year. However, a lot of people (on here, and writers like Peter King) have said Peters is one of the best left tackles in the league, bar none. I don't see it yet.

This post is not in regards to saying Peters deserves a pay raise, doesn't deserve a pay raise, etc. Again, he's a good player. But I see a lot of people saying things to the effect of "just pay the guy what he wants, he's one of the elite left tackles" and "our season is over if Jason Peters isn't around", and I don't agree with that. In fact, I think (while they are different positions), Dockery and Butler were more consistent run blockers last year. I think our season may not be a success because we just don't have the horses yet overall, it's not because of putting all of our eggs in Jason Peters' basket. He wasn't the difference-maker we needed last year.

I think Peters has the ability to be an elite player, I just don't think he's there yet. And I don't agree to pay a player based on what a lot of people think he may be, but isn't yet, and what they think he could be.

Jon
What is the point of this? Are you mad at him for holding out?

[Ickybaluky]

He was probably referencing the Tyree catch. Had Samuel finished on that play, the Pats win the game.

Or, if he held onto the pick near the sideline...

Or, if Richard Seymour and Jarvis Green had not let Manning escape the pocket...

Or, if Meriweather had held onto his interception opportunity...

The losers lament. When a team loses a close game they point to a number of plays that could have changed things, or they blame the refs, or they blame the coaches, or...

However, the Pats lost that game because the Giants beat them. The Giants made those plays, the Pats didn't. They were beat because the Giants played better and deserved to beat them.

[Mudflap1]

I thought the Patriots lost because Matt Light got dominated and he couldn't hold Jason Peters' jock strap all of a sudden?

Jon

[Mudflap1]

What is the point of this? Are you mad at him for holding out?

Not really. I can see where the guy thinks he's underpaid. I can also see where he's being a little insincere since the Bills went out on a limb for him, turned him into something, and now he's trying to stick it to them.

However, where I'm coming from is that I see everyone ballyhooing how dominant of a player Peters is, and I just haven't seen it. Is he good? Yes. May he become a dominating player? Yes. Does he have a lot of value because he's young and we have him signed for a few more years, and he's shown he has potential? Of course.

I specifically remember reading Peter King's training camp report on the Bills last August, and he was saying how spectacular Peters is. Well, why didn't we average 150 yards rushing per game last year then?

I hear everyone saying "well we always ran left". No we didn't. We ran right a lot also, and often times to the same degrees of success. Peters and Dockery were fairly effective last year, but I would say they were a far cry from dominant. And dominant is what you expect from one of the top 1-3 left tackles in the league. If that were the case, the Bills would've been running people off the field.

I also remember seeing a lot of Lynch breaking tackles. Good for Lynch, but doesn't mean the line was pancaking everyone in sight to the point where Lynch had gaping holes.

Again, the run game was DECENT last year, but not dominant. I want to see dominant. And if everyone thinks Peters is one of the 1-3 best left tackles bar none in the NFL, then dominant is what we need to expect from him. There's a difference between good with some exemplary plays, and dominant.

Jon

[Ickybaluky]

I thought the Patriots lost because Matt Light got dominated and he couldn't hold Jason Peters' jock strap all of a sudden?

No, they lost because the Giants were able to control the LOS on both sides of the ball.

Because the Giants were able to run the ball and sustain drives, the Pats only had 9 possessions the whole game (one of which was the last one on their own 26 with only 34 seconds left). That shut down their offense as much as anything.

On defense, the Giants were able to dominate the Pats OL up front, both shutting down the run and pressuring the pocket, they kept the Pats offense from getting into a rhythm.

Basically, the Giants just out-played them.

BTW, here is an article from the St. Louis Post Dispatch (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/B0E3708BF5C4EA90862574960012D50D?OpenDocument) on Orlando Pace that former scout Tom Marino ranks the best LT in the game (sidebar). Interestingly, he chooses Peters #1. Go figure.

[Bill Brasky]

Jason Peters is overrated.

Who's with me?
http://www.mazdas247.com/members/LinuxRacr/smiles/cricket.gif

[Mudflap1]

Jason Peters is overrated.

Who's with me?

Granted, he is a good player, I'm not saying that. I'm not even saying that he didn't deserve to go to the Pro Bowl last year. However, a lot of people (on here, and writers like Peter King) have said Peters is one of the best left tackles in the league, bar none. I don't see it yet.

This post is not in regards to saying Peters deserves a pay raise, doesn't deserve a pay raise, etc. Again, he's a good player. But I see a lot of people saying things to the effect of "just pay the guy what he wants, he's one of the elite left tackles" and "our season is over if Jason Peters isn't around", and I don't agree with that. In fact, I think (while they are different positions), Dockery and Butler were more consistent run blockers last year. I think our season may not be a success because we just don't have the horses yet overall, it's not because of putting all of our eggs in Jason Peters' basket. He wasn't the difference-maker we needed last year.

I think Peters has the ability to be an elite player, I just don't think he's there yet. And I don't agree to pay a player based on what a lot of people think he may be, but isn't yet, and what they think he could be.

Jon

(patting myself on the back)

I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve to be paid... but he's a greedy SOB and he's on track to **** this organization, his teammates, and the fans with his selfishness once again. He's a good to very good player, but he's not elite... yet. And elite player would have come in last year after the holdout in phenomenal shape with a chip on his shoulder, and showed everyone why he deserves every penny he is trying to command. Instead, he came in fat, lazy, out of shape, and played like crap for 4-5 games. That's a scary indication of his character, work ethic, and what to expect once he gets a huge payday. Laziness. He should be paid as one of the top 10 tackles in the league, maybe around number 5 at best... but that's it.

[justasportsfan]

That's a scary indication of his character, work ethic, and what to expect once he gets a huge payday. Laziness. .
Sorry JOn. You don't make a transition from being an undrafted TE to probowl LT by being lazy.No ones ever said he was lazy when he was happy with what he's being paid.Sounds like a mercenary , doesn't he?

He was stupid to sit it out last year and I was on the bills side on this one.He went about it the wrong way but if you're a probowl LT and not being paid even average LT money, you risk getting injury for peanuts.

If I wasn't so desperate for wins and have a coaching staff thats proven , I'd say screw him. We're desperate. Dick's desperate for bringing in TO but that won't mean anything if Trent is protected by a rookie OL.

[Mudflap1]

Yes Justa, Peters gets credit for developing from an undrafted rookie to a good LT. If he's not lazy for what he did last year, then he's stupid. If you are a mercenary who is trying to make a case of being paid as THE top LT in the NFL, is it smart to hold the organization hostage, then come in completely out of shape right before the season (to the point he couldn't even play in the beginning of the season), play like crap for half the year, then start regaining form at the tailend of the year? My point by bringing this thread up was how people were saying how awesome and dominant this guy was before training camp last year. I said he was pretty good, even very good at times, but way overrated. What did he do this past season to change my opinion? Maybe he's just lazy and stupid?

I see you changed your post from Peters being paid peanuts, to average LT money. Isn't he making $6.5 million this season? He's not starving.

That being said, I'm not disagreeing for the Bills to pay him. They're willing to. Fine with me, ain't my money. But he is an idiot if he thinks he should be paid more than $12 million per year.

[SeatownBillsFan21]

Over Rated TE maybe.I like peters hes good hes gonna be great if hes in camp on time and ready to work this offseason.

[justasportsfan]

Yes Justa, Peters gets credit for developing from an undrafted rookie to a good LT. If he's not lazy for what he did last year, then he's stupid. If you are a mercenary who is trying to make a case of being paid as THE top LT in the NFL, is it smart to hold the organization hostage, then come in completely out of shape right before the season (to the point he couldn't even play in the beginning of the season), play like crap for half the year, then start regaining form at the tailend of the year? Maybe he's lazy and stupid?


He did not benefit from staying at home and learning a new offense under Turk. Even he admitted that. Just saying he isn't lazy. I'm not arguing either that he went about it the wrong way then. He should have no leverage to get what he's asking for because of his performance last year but then again, if we can't overlook that , then why do we still have guys like Kelsay , Schobel, Whinter,etc.etc. who weren't worth the spit we're paying them either.

You can't overpay these people for playing like dorks and then not do the same for Peters epsecially since they got a bargain the last 2 years based on what they paid him despite last years performance

Hell they even made Dockery the highest paid player in franchise history . talk about overpaying someone they eventually cut and then ignore Peters.

Forgetting that you're a bills fan, if you were in Peters shoes you'd want to be paid or see if some other team will.

[Mudflap1]

I'm not even going to begin to argue about Kelsay, Schobel, or Whitner. I think they are all stealing money from the Bills.

[justasportsfan]

I'm not even going to begin to argue about Kelsay, Schobel, or Whitner. I think they are all stealing money from the Bills.


So why is it wrong for Peters to try and steal some too? BTW, the bills left the safe unlocked and open for Kelsay and co. tThey didn't have to steal anything.