The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • madness
    Registered User
    • Apr 2003
    • 13690

    The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

    These are high times at St. John Fisher College, home of the Bills' training camp. The defense, bolstered by the additions of DT Marcus Stroud, OLB Kawika Mitchell and CB Leodis McKelvin, is swarming around the practice field, looking nothing like the undersized, slow-footed unit that was perpetually undermanned a season ago.
    The offense, under the direction of new coordinator Turk Schonert, is using a more up-tempo, passing-friendly system — one that couldn’t look more different than the plodding, deliberate style that was showcased under former offensive boss Steve Fairchild.
    But no positive developments under the sticky, Upstate New York sun can rid the team of the monstrous shadow that looms over every passing play, team meeting or meal. It’s a 6-6, 340-pound, All-Pro shadow, the type that as simply won’t go away by the team’s insistence that it’s focusing on task at hand.
    Despite Bills Chief Operating Officer Russ Brandon dubbing the situation a “road map of silence,” it’s no secret that star OLT Jason Peters is MIA at camp in search of a new contract. And by accounts of anyone who bothered to watch the Bills play a season ago, he’s deserving of it. Given the retirement of Ravens perennial Pro Bowler Jonathan Ogden and the rapidly aging, injury-plagued latter years of fellow Pro Bowl fixtures Orlando Pace of St. Louis and Walter Jones of Seattle, Peters stands as the best offensive tackle in the league. He’s a nimble, fleet-footed former collegiate tight end who’s as equally adept at neutralizing the AFC’s cache of speedy sack specialists as he is plowing the road for emerging RB Marshawn Lynch in the running game.
    Yet Buffalo is holding its ground in the front office just as well as Peters does on the gridiron. And for this, Brandon and Co. have sent a clear message to Bills fans that it has the savvy, resolve and good sense to restore the luster to a once-proud franchise that has been on a lengthy postseason hiatus (since 1999). For as good Peters is, the Bills are smart for strong-arming him.
    Dealing with contractual holdouts is tricky business. It’s easy to say that clubs should always take a hard-line stance and not cave in to demands, because ultimately, the men signing the checks hold the upper-hand over those cashing them. But in reality, dealing with holdouts require a balancing act of managing egos, keeping the salary cap in check, analyzing talent and worth to team, as well as the overall financial standing of the organization.
    The Bills’ front office took all these into consideration when opting not to cave into Peters’ demands, and still needed a healthy amount of intestinal fortitude to do so. Brandon, along with vice president of pro personnel John Guy and vice president of college scouting Tom Modrak, are new in their power posts. Upon the retirement of GM Marv Levy, a Buffalo icon for his former coaching accomplishments, owner Ralph Wilson promoted the aforementioned trio to form a de facto iron triangle when it came to personnel decisions, rather than appoint a single general manager. But Brandon, whose background is more in tune with calculators and pencils than stopwatches and shoulder pads, wasn’t intimidated, and for this, the Bills are better off.
    Peters has three years left on a deal due to pay him a little more than $3 million per year. Such a deal makes him the third highest paid lineman on the team, after the club went trigger-happy by doling out $74 million to solid but unspectacular OG Derrick Dockery ($49 million) and OT Langston Walker ($25 million) a year ago. The fact that there’s that much time remaining to renegotiate before Peters hits the open market certainly affords the team valuable time to see what direction the club is heading.
    But the issue is deeper than the time he has left on the deal. The Bills also know Peters as a person. He’s a polite, soft-spoken, team-first guy who they know won’t go all Terrell Owens on them. The fact that the public hasn’t heard so much as a whisper of complaint out of Peters isn’t surprising to those who know him best. In fact, there’s a line of thinking from sources close to the team that Peters never wanted to hold out in the first place, and that everything’s being orchestrated by his agent, Eugene Parker. It only stands to reason that eventually, Peters is bound to override his overzealous agent’s advice, and report.

    ...

    Even if there’s little doubt that a holdout player eventually will show up, elite skill-position players such as quarterbacks, running backs and wide receivers take precedence in contractual stalemates over linemen. As important as the left tackle position is, having a stud in place there doesn’t fundamentally alter the entire offensive system. On the other hand, if T.O. — or the Rams’ Steven Jackson this season — was out of camp for a lengthy period of time, the team would have to adjust its offense to account for the absence. What have the Bills done in response to Peters’ holdout? Simply switched Walker from the right side to the left side, and inserted Kirk Chambers at right tackle.
    The Bills have spoken, and spoken wisely. Now the onus is on Peters to cut his losses — up to $15,000 per day — and do the only reasonable thing left to do: Show up.

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...sohn080608.htm
  • yordad
    Registered User
    • Dec 2007
    • 11867

    #2
    Re: The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

    Peters is 6'4. But, it is a good read. It is like they are playing chicken. Screw it, I say they just play rock paper scissors.

    1. Lee
    2. Crowell
    3. Peters
    "Heck, now I am glad his overrated arce made the pro bowl, else we would have only got a 3rd." ~ yordad

    "I've just been hit with a piece of sky. " ~ yordad

    "Forgive my opinion, but...." ~ yordad

    "Warning: I might be hammered." ~ yordad

    "I don't care if the word is "your" or "you're", so buzz off. Its (it's) a frickin(') message board." ~ yordad

    Comment

    • Crisis
      Registered User
      • Aug 2004
      • 12738

      #3
      Re: The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

      peters is 6'4
      Originally posted by LOSman WINS
      Vanek is Austrian not European
      Originally posted by Prov401
      Pacquiao isn't asian. He's from the philippines
      Originally posted by better days
      I will not be surprised if Tebow has more success than Peyton in the NFL.

      Comment

      • madness
        Registered User
        • Apr 2003
        • 13690

        #4
        Re: The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

        echo

        Comment

        • coastal
          Legendary Zoner
          • Mar 2005
          • 15513

          #5
          Re: The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

          Fantastic article... the problem in this situation isn't Jason Peters... it's his ****ing agent.

          Comment

          • Philagape
            WIN NOW
            • Jul 2002
            • 19432

            #6
            Re: The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

            How many wins is resolve worth?

            Caving in to Peters means caving in to a much better chance of winning. That's a good thing to cave in to.
            "It is better to be divided by truth than to be united by error." -- Martin Luther

            "Those who appease the crocodile will simply be eaten last." -- Winston Churchill

            2003 BZ Pick Em Champion
            2004 BZ Big Money League Champion

            Comment

            • yordad
              Registered User
              • Dec 2007
              • 11867

              #7
              Re: The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

              Originally posted by Philagape
              How many wins is resolve worth?

              Caving in to Peters means caving in to a much better chance of winning. That's a good thing to cave in to.
              Winning what? Now compare that to the long term ramifications of losing Lee, Crowell, and a dozen other up and comers that will eventually want extensions years before their contract is over.
              "Heck, now I am glad his overrated arce made the pro bowl, else we would have only got a 3rd." ~ yordad

              "I've just been hit with a piece of sky. " ~ yordad

              "Forgive my opinion, but...." ~ yordad

              "Warning: I might be hammered." ~ yordad

              "I don't care if the word is "your" or "you're", so buzz off. Its (it's) a frickin(') message board." ~ yordad

              Comment

              • justasportsfan
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 71579

                #8
                Re: The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

                If Peters wants a raise ,the bills should cave in and give him $1 raise and hour. Maybe that will open the doors for communication.
                sacrifice1
                https://theinterviewwithgod.com/video/

                Comment

                • Philagape
                  WIN NOW
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 19432

                  #9
                  Re: The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

                  Originally posted by yordad
                  Winning what? Now compare that to the long term ramifications of losing Lee, Crowell, and a dozen other up and comers that will eventually want extensions years before their contract is over.
                  Unless they're also All-Pros at an extremely vital position and grossly underpaid with a ton of cash to spend, they'll have no ramifications that compare to winning anything.
                  "It is better to be divided by truth than to be united by error." -- Martin Luther

                  "Those who appease the crocodile will simply be eaten last." -- Winston Churchill

                  2003 BZ Pick Em Champion
                  2004 BZ Big Money League Champion

                  Comment

                  • Ebenezer
                    Give me a minute...
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 73868

                    #10
                    Re: The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

                    Originally posted by Philagape
                    How many wins is resolve worth?

                    Caving in to Peters means caving in to a much better chance of winning. That's a good thing to cave in to.
                    The Bills could show all the good faith they want but if he doesn't have the professionalism to contact his employer and to show that he is even to close to playing shape then the Bills owe him nothing.




                    For all the education and practice each of us undergoes, the achievment of mastery is ultimately the outcome of a personal quest for understanding.

                    Comment

                    • yordad
                      Registered User
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 11867

                      #11
                      Re: The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

                      Originally posted by Philagape
                      Unless they're also All-Pros at an extremely vital position and grossly underpaid with a ton of cash to spend, they'll have no ramifications that compare to winning anything.
                      Phil, I don't got out of my way to disagree with you, but it seems to happen a lot. Most is just opinion though, so it is bound to happen. I just want to point out that I still think disagreement is the spice of posting. And, if it is possible to enjoy disagreeing, you are a joy to disagree with because your opinions are generally well thought out, and you have good football knowledge. You help to provide a well thought out dissenting opinion.

                      But, for the sake of clarifying, lets look at a couple things (mostly educated guess and opinion)...

                      1. What do you think the chances of Peters holding out into the season if we don't rework his contract at all this year.

                      2. How many games do you think he will miss if we don't rework his contract at all this year.

                      3. Do you think he will eventually cave to a promise of reworking his contract next year?

                      4. If you are correct on you above guess, how many games do we win not offering to renegotiate?

                      5. How many games do we win if we do renegotiate and Peters misses no time?

                      6. Do you think extending him this year will limit our ability to extend Lee?

                      7. Do you think extending him this year will limit our ability to extend Crowell?

                      8. How important do you think Lee is on a scale from 1 to 10? Crowell? Peters?

                      9. Do you think showing weakness in this matter will make other players and agents think they smell blood, whether or not they have top notch credentials?

                      10. Will it set a precedent that says "if you go to the probowl, just hold out, we will give you more cash"?
                      "Heck, now I am glad his overrated arce made the pro bowl, else we would have only got a 3rd." ~ yordad

                      "I've just been hit with a piece of sky. " ~ yordad

                      "Forgive my opinion, but...." ~ yordad

                      "Warning: I might be hammered." ~ yordad

                      "I don't care if the word is "your" or "you're", so buzz off. Its (it's) a frickin(') message board." ~ yordad

                      Comment

                      • patmoran2006
                        Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 19840

                        #12
                        Re: The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

                        Originally posted by yordad
                        Winning what? Now compare that to the long term ramifications of losing Lee, Crowell, and a dozen other up and comers that will eventually want extensions years before their contract is over.
                        Are you ****ing kidding me?

                        WE as much or MORE cap than any of the 31 other teams in the NFL.. WE can redo Peters and extend Crowell and Evans EASILY and still have plenty of chump change left.

                        If we redo Peters we lose Evans and Crowell? Are we not under the cap by like over $30 million dollars?!?!


                        Join the BSD FB page by CLICKING HERE

                        Follow us on twitter by CLICKING HERE

                        Comment

                        • yordad
                          Registered User
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 11867

                          #13
                          Re: The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

                          Originally posted by patmoran2006
                          Are you ****ing kidding me?

                          WE as much or MORE cap than any of the 31 other teams in the NFL.. WE can redo Peters and extend Crowell and Evans EASILY and still have plenty of chump change left.

                          If we redo Peters we lose Evans and Crowell? Are we not under the cap by like over $30 million dollars?!?!
                          Cash to cap counts guaranteed money up front, correct? How much guaranteed money do you think Peters will want? 30 million? One player, 30 million. One player who we have the presence of mind to extend only two years ago ALREADY.

                          When was the last time Lee or Crowell was extended? How much guaranteed would they want, IYO?
                          "Heck, now I am glad his overrated arce made the pro bowl, else we would have only got a 3rd." ~ yordad

                          "I've just been hit with a piece of sky. " ~ yordad

                          "Forgive my opinion, but...." ~ yordad

                          "Warning: I might be hammered." ~ yordad

                          "I don't care if the word is "your" or "you're", so buzz off. Its (it's) a frickin(') message board." ~ yordad

                          Comment

                          • Ebenezer
                            Give me a minute...
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 73868

                            #14
                            Re: The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

                            Originally posted by yordad
                            Phil, I don't got out of my way to disagree with you, but it seems to happen a lot. Most is just opinion though, so it is bound to happen. I just want to point out that I still think disagreement is the spice of posting. And, if it is possible to enjoy disagreeing, you are a joy to disagree with because your opinions are generally well thought out, and you have good football knowledge. You help to provide a well thought out dissenting opinion.

                            But, for the sake of clarifying, lets look at a couple things (mostly educated guess and opinion)...

                            1. What do you think the chances of Peters holding out into the season if we don't rework his contract at all this year.

                            2. How many games do you think he will miss if we don't rework his contract at all this year.

                            3. Do you think he will eventually cave to a promise of reworking his contract next year?

                            4. If you are correct on you above guess, how many games do we win not offering to renegotiate?

                            5. How many games do we win if we do renegotiate and Peters misses no time?

                            6. Do you think extending him this year will limit our ability to extend Lee?

                            7. Do you think extending him this year will limit our ability to extend Crowell?

                            8. How important do you think Lee is on a scale from 1 to 10? Crowell? Peters?

                            9. Do you think showing weakness in this matter will make other players and agents think they smell blood, whether or not they have top notch credentials?

                            10. Will it set a precedent that says "if you go to the probowl, just hold out, we will give you more cash"?
                            Good points...great job. Here is another.

                            11. He was extended and given a raise once. Will this become a yearly event?




                            For all the education and practice each of us undergoes, the achievment of mastery is ultimately the outcome of a personal quest for understanding.

                            Comment

                            • patmoran2006
                              Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
                              • Dec 2005
                              • 19840

                              #15
                              Re: The Bills show resolve by not caving in to meet Peters' demands

                              Originally posted by yordad
                              Phil, I don't got out of my way to disagree with you, but it seems to happen a lot. Most is just opinion though, so it is bound to happen. I just want to point out that I still think disagreement is the spice of posting. And, if it is possible to enjoy disagreeing, you are a joy to disagree with because your opinions are generally well thought out, and you have good football knowledge. You help to provide a well thought out dissenting opinion.

                              But, for the sake of clarifying, lets look at a couple things (mostly educated guess and opinion)...

                              1. What do you think the chances of Peters holding out into the season if we don't rework his contract at all this year.
                              From what we know, who knows? I wouldnt bet against it though.

                              2. How many games do you think he will miss if we don't rework his contract at all this year.
                              See #1

                              3. Do you think he will eventually cave to a promise of reworking his contract next year?
                              If we're going to "promise to rework his contract next year", why not do it this year? What sense does that make? We have oodles of cap room right NOW, why even flirt with not having your best player in uniform when you don't need to? It's not like we'd have to cut players or not extend others to make room for his salary.

                              4. If you are correct on you above guess, how many games do we win not offering to renegotiate?
                              If you're asking the question that if Peters doesnt play in 2008, what will our record be, I would say we'd be extremely fortunate to match last year's 7 win total.. He's THAT good.

                              5. How many games do we win if we do renegotiate and Peters misses no time?
                              I think with a better offense, which Peters is more vital than any other single player, we can win 10 games for sure.

                              6. Do you think extending him this year will limit our ability to extend Lee?
                              Not at all.> Go look at our cap page.

                              7. Do you think extending him this year will limit our ability to extend Crowell?
                              Not at all. .Go look at our cap page (again).. You are aware of our cap and cash to cap standing, correct?

                              8. Do you think showing weakness in this matter will make other players and agents think they smell blood, whether or not they have top notch credentials?
                              Potentially yes.. Lots of great teams take hard stances with players, but treat elite players differently. As NE39 said earlier this week; take the Patriots.. How many times did they not cave in to players wanting more money. But what happened when he's elite like Seymour.. Dude got PAID.

                              9. Will it set a precedent that says "if you go to the probowl, just hold out, we will give you more cash"?
                              If the precedent is scrubs like Jonas Jennings is making more than $2 million per year or guys slowing down and old like Orlando Pace are more than doubling what you make, then yes.. Conversely, if a team pays a guy like a Pro Bowler, and that player doesn't produce anymore because of age and/or injury Spikes or example, will that team NOT cut you? It's a business and just like in any sport, when you're an elite player who's so clearly underpaid, you hold more cards.


                              Join the BSD FB page by CLICKING HERE

                              Follow us on twitter by CLICKING HERE

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X