Dick is not Marv.

[Yasgur's Farm]

I've been fooling myself. Up to this point I've considered Dick as Marv junior. They both came to the Bills with less than stellar pasts. They're both cerebral types.

I guess my expectations have been a repeat of the Kelly, Thurman, Andre, Bruce, Talley era Bills.

But, I've realized that it's the above mentioned talent that made Marv so special. AND... And this is a big and... It wasn't so much Marv's coaching ability that brought success as it was his recognition of talent and how to coddle it.

I think Dick has those same talents... BUT... I just can't see the same enthusiasm that Marv possessed. In other words... Could you ever see yourself hearing a phrase like "Where would you rather be than right here, right now" from Dick?

Who knows. Maybe history will show that Dick has his own unique attributes that brings him success. But at this point, I have to say that he's no Marv!

[Mr. Pink]

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OVEROFFICIOUS JERK!

That was my personal favorite.

No, Dick is not Marv, Marv had passion. Dick seems to have none.

Doesn't mean he doesn't necessarily have passion but you never see it.

[Yasgur's Farm]

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OVEROFFICIOUS JERK!

That was my personal favorite.

No, Dick is not Marv, Marv had passion. Dick seems to have none.

Doesn't mean he doesn't necessarily have passion but you never see it.

Exactly my point!

[Ebenezer]

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Marv's talent was holding all those ego's in check long enough to get that team to win. The current rendition is much different. There shouldn't be an ego in the group.

[gr8slayer]

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I'm not a fan of either one to tell you the truth; neither is a champion.

[Philagape]

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Marv dropped a few F-bombs on the sidelines, too. I can't imagine Dick doing that.

[Ebenezer]

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I'm not a fan of either one to tell you the truth; neither is a champion.

but for one tackle on 3rd and 13...I won't hold that against Marv.

[gr8slayer]

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but for one tackle on 3rd and 13...I won't hold that against Marv.

Most Bills fans won't, but I will.

[Captain gameboy]

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In my humble opinion, Marv is way overrated here.

He is a really nice guy, but nice guys only get so far.

Polian and Ralph provided him a team that should have beat the Giants.

Marv let Kelly run the offense that game, and it was a foolish strategy.

The next three were games that we were over matched.

Marv is a great guy, but Marv is not Lombardi.

Marv was a GM's coach.

In our history, on game day, for the big prize, Lou Saban was better.

[Yasgur's Farm]

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In my humble opinion, Marv is way overrated here.

He is a really nice guy, but nice guys only get so far.

Polian and Ralph provided him a team that should have beat the Giants.

Marv let Kelly run the offense that game, and it was a foolish strategy.

The next three were games that we were over matched.

Marv is a great guy, but Marv is not Lombardi.

And neither is Dick!

[Captain gameboy]

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And neither is Dick!

Your post begs a question.

Could Lombardi survive today?

I think not.

Ergo, I don't think that looking for Lombardi is the way to go.

These are different times with different athletes/agents.

Brady, a big picture guy, is an anomaly.

Most pro athletes look at their career as ending with the next injury.

Thus, they want the money now, and if it happens with a certain franchise, so be it.
If it doesn't, move on.

While we may look at the jersey more so than the name, they don't.

To bring this back to the original point, I think Jauron is just right for the Bills.

[Mr. Pink]

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The way of the NFL certainly has changed with actual Free Agency, Plan B didn't start this shift, as Plan B FA was just teams getting rid of scrubs.

Teams now cannot afford to keep players, so they have to let them walk, and by afford I mean cap wise and otherwise.

But i still think coaches like Vince Lombardi, George Halas and Paul Brown would be able to do a good job now.

Look at how different the NFL is now from when Bill Walsh coached...do you believe he wouldn't have success today too?

[patmoran2006]

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Marv's talent was holding all those ego's in check long enough to get that team to win. The current rendition is much different. There shouldn't be an ego in the group.

Great point.

Marv wasn't the best X's and O's coach, but he was the very best at managing a locker room full of stars and ego's.

Although there were many better head coaches in other regards, and maybe we would've won one Super Bowl with someone else. But I highly doubt anyone else could've "managed" this team to four straight AFC Titles.

In fact, nobody else has EVER done that.

[gr8slayer]

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Great point.

Marv wasn't the best X's and O's coach, but he was the very best at managing a locker room full of stars and ego's.

Although there were many better head coaches in other regards, and maybe we would've won one Super Bowl with someone else. But I highly doubt anyone else could've "managed" this team to four straight AFC Titles.

In fact, nobody else has EVER done that.

No one else has ever lost four straight Super Bowls either. Had we been in the NFC back then we wouldn't have had a prayer.

[Mitchy moo]

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Just because Dick is not like Marv means very little. Dick has a different way of handling his players and coaching staff. We are giving him the talent to work with now, it's time for the playoffs and the respect it brings. Respect is earned and winning earns respect.