New code of conduct at the Ralph

[zone]

How do you think the new policy will effect the games at the Ralph? Just how strict will it be? I can't see them kicking people out for trash talking the opposing fans.

Will it change the energy in the stadium, because we all know, a lot of the energy is fueled by alcohol.


-- Behavior that is unruly, disruptive, or illegal.

-- Drunkenness and signs of alcohol impairment that result in irresponsible behavior.

-- Foul or abusive language or obscene gestures.

-- Interference with the progress of the game, including throwing objects onto the field.

-- Failing to follow instructions of stadium personnel.

-- Verbal or physical harassment of fans from the opposing team.

[Mitchy moo]

They better bring the national guard to get me out of my chair.

[Pinkerton Security]

How do you think the new policy will effect the games at the Ralph? Just how strict will it be? I can't see them kicking people out for trash talking the opposing fans.

Will it change the energy in the stadium, because we all know, a lot of the energy is fueled by alcohol.


-- Behavior that is unruly, disruptive, or illegal.

-- Drunkenness and signs of alcohol impairment that result in irresponsible behavior.

-- Foul or abusive language or obscene gestures.

-- Interference with the progress of the game, including throwing objects onto the field.

-- Failing to follow instructions of stadium personnel.

-- Verbal or physical harassment of fans from the opposing team.

well your second bullet might affect me, at the Monday nighter last year I was so drunk I couldnt find my seats and was wandering the stadium, had to ask an usher where I was....I was on the entirely wrong end of the stadium.


I dont think they will crack down too hard though, there are 80,000 people screaming after all and it will be way too hard to enforce these rules very thoroughly. People just dont need to be ignorant and do blatant and easily visible bad things.

[OpIv37]

How do you think the new policy will effect the games at the Ralph? Just how strict will it be? I can't see them kicking people out for trash talking the opposing fans.

Will it change the energy in the stadium, because we all know, a lot of the energy is fueled by alcohol.


-- Behavior that is unruly, disruptive, or illegal.

-- Drunkenness and signs of alcohol impairment that result in irresponsible behavior.

-- Foul or abusive language or obscene gestures.

-- Interference with the progress of the game, including throwing objects onto the field.

-- Failing to follow instructions of stadium personnel.

-- Verbal or physical harassment of fans from the opposing team.

I don't like this at all because all the parts I put in bold are subjective. Any overzealous security guard can basically create whatever standards he wants and get someone thrown out of the stadium.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Agreed. I am going to get kicked out a lot this year.

[Bill Brasky]

-- Drunkenness and signs of alcohol impairment that result in irresponsible behavior.


i like how they want to curb drunkenness, yet plaster booze everywhere around the stadium.

advertisements, the labatt blue rock pile, bully hill vineyards.

"sure, i'll buy you a bunch of batman action figures, but you can't ever play with them or even take them out of the box".

[Pride]

Look... this is like the seatbelt law the State Police use. It is a blanket law that allows Police to legally remove someone from the stadium that they deem a problem. If you act as a responsible adult, they aren't going to care what you do. It is the 0.01% of the fans... the real idiots who are drunk, fighting, throwing beer, etc that this is targeting.

If you are really concerned about about getting thrown out, you're probably an @$$hole anyway...

Relax.

[Mitchy moo]

I don't like this at all because all the parts I put in bold are subjective. Any overzealous security guard can basically create whatever standards he wants and get someone thrown out of the stadium.

This sounds like when the government federalized the borders with homeland security agents. They are giving ******s guns and the ability to screw with people on a whim. We are slowly losing our freedoms in the BS name of security.

[Mitchy moo]

Agreed. I am going to get kicked out a lot this year.

They don't kick people out of the 50 yard line seats, they just get escorted.

[OpIv37]

Look... this is like the seatbelt law the State Police use. It is a blanket law that allows Police to legally remove someone from the stadium that they deem a problem. If you act as a responsible adult, they aren't going to care what you do. It is the 0.01% of the fans... the real idiots who are drunk, fighting, throwing beer, etc that this is targeting.

If you are really concerned about about getting thrown out, you're probably an @$$hole anyway...

Relax.

That's how it's intended. That may or may not be how it's actually implemented. Some *****y soccer mom thinks you and your friends are cheering too loudly or gets mad cuz her rugrat can't see when you stand up. Suddenly, you're "behaving irresponsibly" and "unruly" and using "abusive" language and your ass is bounced.

[Jan Reimers]

I try to act like a reasonable person at the Ralph, although I drink heavily, yell some, and have been known to exchange less-than-pleasant comments with opposing fans. I'll probably tone it down a bit with the new rules.

But what I like about the new code - if it's enforced - is that it could make going to other stadiums much nicer. I have been physically threatened by some real drunk, redneck Ravens fans, for instance, simply for wearing Bills attire and cheering them on at that stupid purple stadium in Baltimore. The new rules could reduce some of this kind of behavior.

[Bill Brasky]

Look... this is like the seatbelt law the State Police use. It is a blanket law that allows Police to legally remove someone from the stadium that they deem a problem. If you act as a responsible adult, they aren't going to care what you do. It is the 0.01% of the fans... the real idiots who are drunk, fighting, throwing beer, etc that this is targeting.
yeah, just like the patriot act only goes after the "bad guys" :rolleyes:

i'm sure everybody loves these new rules, until it's them getting dragged out for whatever reason at the expense of some power hungry usher having a bad day. the guy behind you doesn't like you standing because he's sitting behind you? he now has grounds to get you booted. sounds like a fun time. soccer mom sally doesn't like the word "damn"? you're a goner.

sounds like a fun atmosphere the NFL has created. rich, snide, tattletales who want to sip latte's and eat caviar.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Look... this is like the seatbelt law the State Police use. It is a blanket law that allows Police to legally remove someone from the stadium that they deem a problem. If you act as a responsible adult, they aren't going to care what you do. It is the 0.01% of the fans... the real idiots who are drunk, fighting, throwing beer, etc that this is targeting.

If you are really concerned about about getting thrown out, you're probably an @$$hole anyway...

Relax.
What if you are just drunk but not fighting, throwing beer etc, because that is me. Am I going to get thrown out for dropping F bombs?

[trapezeus]

pride got it right. this is going after the obvious jerks who are clearly out of control. the team doesn't want to irritate people with excessive tossing of fans. so it'll be extreme cases. and it'll give people who are watching some idiot who is standing on his chair asking to start the wave in the middle of a 0-0 game in the second quarter.

Drink all you want at the games, just don't act like an 16 year old who is trying it for the first time.

Also i agree with jan. other stadiums may become a little more pleasant.

[njsue]

Adults can't act like mature human beings in public. So rules have to be put in place to curb the lousy behavior.

Plus there are kids in the stands.

[Bill Brasky]

pride got it right. this is going after the obvious jerks who are clearly out of control.

so who's the judge of that? is there some super power who has the ability to assess right from wrong based on the observations of those around the person in question?

[Mitchy moo]

If you don't like someone in the stadium now, you just have to follow them out and handle your business in the parking lot. No reason to scream and shout inside, just express yourself (NWA, LOL).

[Jan Reimers]

so who's the judge of that? is there some super power who has the ability to assess right from wrong based on the observations of those around the person in question?
I don't really see the ushers or security people going out of their way to throw people out of the stadium. I think the same people who have been evicted in the past for fighting and other forms of really offensive behavior will continue to be targeted, as they should be.

I would also think warnings will be given to people who are sort of "on the edge" of the new rules, and those people will be watched to see if they continue to misbehave. I don't think anyone will be thrown out simply on the word of some little old lady who is offended by someone drinking beer and yelling.

[njsue]

Put a limit on the amount of beer/alcohol brought into the parking lots tailgates.

[Bill Brasky]

I don't really see the ushers or security people going out of their way to throw people out of the stadium. I think the same people who have been evicted in the past for fighting and other forms of really offensive behavior will continue to be targeted, as they should be.

I would also think warnings will be given to people who are sort of "on the edge" of the new rules, and those people will be watched to see if they continue to misbehave. I don't think anyone will be thrown out simply on the word of some little old lady who is offended by someone drinking beer and yelling.
i haven't seen them go out of their way, but now it could easily happen.

your whole "warning" concept is probably legit but i hate it to the nth degree. i'm babysat on the road by statey's playing traffic cop, i'm babysat at work by my boss, and i'm babysat by state and local government every day telling me what i can and can't do. the last thing we need is somebody hovering over us playing the role of character judge when we're trying to enjoy ourselves with money we just spent on their "product". i understand trying to control the riff raff, but all these rules are making it less enjoyable and putting power in the hands of people that have no business having it.

a lot of the stadium personnel are volunteers, now they have to play good cop bad cop? just let it be.

[Bill Brasky]

Put a limit on the amount of beer/alcohol brought into the parking lots tailgates.

now you're just asking to start a war. you think this team has a hard time selling tickets, try that out and let me know how it works.

[Pride]

The only problem I have seen in my many years of bills games is the typical 21 year old college guy who brings his 19 year old girlfriend to the game to get her drunk. He goes to the stand to get 2 beers, one for him and one for her, and by the 3rd quarter, she is throwing up in the stands because she is a lightweight and its hot out.

I've seen it at about every game i've been too and its annoying. I think there should be a 1 beer per person limit sold. Who knows who that 2nd beer is going to?

[THATHURMANATOR]

Put a limit on the amount of beer/alcohol brought into the parking lots tailgates.
Dumbest thing I have ever heard.

[Michael82]

I should be allowed to say this stuff and I will be pissed if I can't anymore..... :mad:

That was a bull**** call and you know it, ref! What the ****!!! :fit:

Open your ****ing eyes, ref! That was pass interference! :curse:

Catch the ****ing ball, Josh! Damn it! :mad:

Can you ****ing idiots learn how to block? ****! :curse:

**** you Tom Brady! I can't stand you. Run up the score again on us, you *******! :mad:

While flipping off the Dolphins/Patriots players as they leave the stadium.... **** YOU! :fit:

[njsue]

now you're just asking to start a war. you think this team has a hard time selling tickets, try that out and let me know how it works.

So adults will rebell because they can't get drunk before they watch a bills game.

The best fans in the league can't keep there behavior a little clean. :shakeno:

[TacklingDummy]

I should be allowed to say this stuff and I will be pissed if I can't anymore..... :mad:

That was a bull**** call and you know it, ref! What the ****!!! :fit:

Open your ****ing eyes, ref! That was pass interference! :curse:

Catch the ****ing ball, Josh! Damn it! :mad:

Can you ****ing idiots learn how to block? ****! :curse:

**** you Tom Brady! I can't stand you. Run up the score again on us, you *******! :mad:

While flipping off the Dolphins/Patriots players as they leave the stadium.... **** YOU! :fit:

And I should be allowed to punch you in the face when my 7 year old hears it. :snicker:

[Michael82]

And an another thing, when we are on defense on my side of the field, I get really pissed off when everybody is on their seats. Get your ass up and cheer as loud as you can for the team! :curse: Don't tell me to sit down or we will have problems! :mad:

[Dr. Lecter]

I should be allowed to say this stuff and I will be pissed if I can't anymore..... :mad:

That was a bull**** call and you know it, ref! What the ****!!! :fit:

Open your ****ing eyes, ref! That was pass interference! :curse:

Catch the ****ing ball, Josh! Damn it! :mad:

Can you ****ing idiots learn how to block? ****! :curse:

**** you Tom Brady! I can't stand you. Run up the score again on us, you *******! :mad:

While flipping off the Dolphins/Patriots players as they leave the stadium.... **** YOU! :fit:

Do you really need to be vulgar in public?

One does not need to use language like that in a public setting.

[M]

Is banging on the bleacher seats "disruptive" and "unruly"? I'm getting tossed too.

[trapezeus]

so who's the judge of that? is there some super power who has the ability to assess right from wrong based on the observations of those around the person in question?

if your drunk and chanting the shout song out of tune, no one is going to give you trouble.

if you are spilling drinks on people, making other feel uncomfortable by yelling at them, threatening them, you'll get tossed. They are essentially writing down the same judgement that is used on a day to day basis. Bars can throw you out for unruly behavior. how do they decide? If you are really out of control and everyone is asking for you to simmer down and you dont, you get tossed. Bars don't like doing it because patrons don't want to worry about it, but sometimes one person is bringing down the whole party.

I'd be really surprised if there is an army of Dbags waiting to kick out the entire stadium. I don't think there are a bunch of Office Space Red stapler guys who are going to complain now that the rules are written down.

I remember 2 or 3 years ago, there was a fight at every single game. it was insane. and then there would be another 3 or 4 mini fights that would break out. The teams best way to fight this is to actually just win games. but we know how hard that is.

[Pinkerton Security]

I think there should be a 1 beer per person limit sold


I understand your reasoning but this is just a little silly. if you want to get a round of beers and not have to need all of your friends come up to the beer stand with you during the game. i know it may seem lazy but its sort of part of the game, each guy going up to get a round of beers.

[Michael82]

And I should be allowed to punch you in the face when my 7 year old hears it. :snicker:
I'll go a little farther....if you don't want your kids to see people get a little drunk, if you don't want to hear some vulgar words, if you want your kids to enjoy themselves and they are not in high school yet....keep them at home! I shouldn't have to quiet down and act all sweet and nice just for the little brats to enjoy the game. Look at the price of the tickets. it's not really a family game. And if the NFL wants it to become that, maybe they should lower the price and give deals like the minor leagues do that include free pop and hot dogs, plus groups of seats for a cheap price.

[Dr. Lecter]

I try to act like a reasonable person at the Ralph, although I drink heavily, yell some, and have been known to exchange less-than-pleasant comments with opposing fans. I'll probably tone it down a bit with the new rules.

But what I like about the new code - if it's enforced - is that it could make going to other stadiums much nicer. I have been physically threatened by some real drunk, redneck Ravens fans, for instance, simply for wearing Bills attire and cheering them on at that stupid purple stadium in Baltimore. The new rules could reduce some of this kind of behavior.

I have seen that happen here too, sadly.

[Michael82]

Oh and honestly....if your kid hasn't heard all the bad words by now from a school bus or at school, then I'd be shocked.

[Dr. Lecter]

Put a limit on the amount of beer/alcohol brought into the parking lots tailgates.

And how will they do that, especially with the private lots?

[TacklingDummy]

I shouldn't have to quiet down and act all sweet and nice just for the little brats to enjoy the game.

Nobody is asking you to be all quiet and sweet. What they basically are asking is don't act like an a-hole.

[njsue]

Showing common courtesy is not a very hard task to do.

[Dr. Lecter]

I'll go a little farther....if you don't want your kids to see people get a little drunk, if you don't want to hear some vulgar words, if you want your kids to enjoy themselves and they are not in high school yet....keep them at home! I shouldn't have to quiet down and act all sweet and nice just for the little brats to enjoy the game. Look at the price of the tickets. it's not really a family game. And if the NFL wants it to become that, maybe they should lower the price and give deals like the minor leagues do that include free pop and hot dogs, plus groups of seats for a cheap price.

So because of price, you are declaring it is not a family game??? So if someboday can afford tickets or saves up to bring their kids to one game a year they should not be able to because you want to say **** on a regular basis?

C'mon Mike. If somebody wants to bring their kids they should not be forced to listen to people drop an F-bomb every minute.

There is a big difference between being quiet and being vulgar.

[trapezeus]

I should be allowed to say this stuff and I will be pissed if I can't anymore..... :mad:

That was a bull**** call and you know it, ref! What the ****!!! :fit:

Open your ****ing eyes, ref! That was pass interference! :curse:

Catch the ****ing ball, Josh! Damn it! :mad:

Can you ****ing idiots learn how to block? ****! :curse:

**** you Tom Brady! I can't stand you. Run up the score again on us, you *******! :mad:

While flipping off the Dolphins/Patriots players as they leave the stadium.... **** YOU! :fit:

i don't think it's in the teams interest to regulate this. unless you get really graphic and are just cursing repeatedly with no real sentence. fans who have issues with this probably pick the family seat section anyways.

I just hate having the young 19-24 year olds who get the middle seats and barely watch the game, and get up every drive to get another beer or go to the bathroom. I sit on the end so i have to stand up. and there is zero ettiquette. be a man, drink your beer and hold it until a commercial break. you do this at home, why so different at the game.

if the league would implement a "actually make an effort to watch the game" rule and throw out hte kids with their eyes half closed because they are so drunk they don't know where they are, i'd be willing to let people get as rowdy as possible. i just hate getting an aerobic exercise when i go to games.

[THATHURMANATOR]

So adults will rebell because they can't get drunk before they watch a bills game.

The best fans in the league can't keep there behavior a little clean. :shakeno:
No I don't think there will be a rebellion but just many people just not going at all.

[Michael82]

So because of price, you are declaring it is not a family game??? So if someboday can afford tickets or saves up to bring their kids to one game a year they should not be able to because you want to say **** on a regular basis?

C'mon Mike. If somebody wants to bring their kids they should not be forced to listen to people drop an F-bomb every minute.

There is a big difference between being quiet and being vulgar.
I'm not saying every minute. Just a few times per game. How about I go one farther and I'm sure Op will agree with me.....

If I want to spend the money to enjoy the game, I shouldn't have to have some whiny brat cry and complain about wanting to get home. i heard that at the MNF game last year. I shouldn't have to hear/see the two kids fighting with eachother instead of paying attention to the game.

[njsue]

And how will they do that, especially with the private lots?

Just a thought that would be a long shot. Hiring people to check the amount of liquor brought into the stadium.

[Dr. Lecter]

I'm not saying every minute. Just a few times per game. How about I go one farther and I'm sure Op will agree with me.....

If I want to spend the money to enjoy the game, I shouldn't have to have some whiny brat cry and complain about wanting to get home. i heard that at the MNF game last year. I shouldn't have to hear/see the two kids fighting with eachother instead of paying attention to the game.

You're the on who brought Danny to the game................

[justasportsfan]

I should be allowed to say this stuff and I will be pissed if I can't anymore..... :mad:

That was a bull**** call and you know it, ref! What the ****!!! :fit:

Open your ****ing eyes, ref! That was pass interference! :curse:

Catch the ****ing ball, Josh! Damn it! :mad:

Can you ****ing idiots learn how to block? ****! :curse:

**** you Tom Brady! I can't stand you. Run up the score again on us, you *******! :mad:

While flipping off the Dolphins/Patriots players as they leave the stadium.... **** YOU! :fit:

Mikey should be allowed to over react like always.

[Michael82]

i don't think it's in the teams interest to regulate this. unless you get really graphic and are just cursing repeatedly with no real sentence. fans who have issues with this probably pick the family seat section anyways.

I just hate having the young 19-24 year olds who get the middle seats and barely watch the game, and get up every drive to get another beer or go to the bathroom. I sit on the end so i have to stand up. and there is zero ettiquette. be a man, drink your beer and hold it until a commercial break. you do this at home, why so different at the game.

if the league would implement a "actually make an effort to watch the game" rule and throw out hte kids with their eyes half closed because they are so drunk they don't know where they are, i'd be willing to let people get as rowdy as possible. i just hate getting an aerobic exercise when i go to games.
Great post, that is definitely a pet peeve of mine too. You came to watch the game, not get up and get beer, smoke pot, go to the bathroom ever 5 minutes. It bothers me a lot, especially when it's a cold snow game and I'm trying to sit still and bundled up or when it's raining and I don't want my seat to get wet.

[Michael82]

One thing I would ask for....can we get some ****ing beer, pop, coffee, hot chocolate and snacks people to roam around the stadium at all times? That would solve the problem of all the people getting up to get their beer at different times.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I think both sides are being a bit overreactive on this issue. I don't think people should be acting like complete maniacs in the stand and whenever there have been younger children around in the stands I go out of my way to be nice and make sure to curtail any foul language. I also think people who bring children ask way too much of other attending a rowdy event as well.

[trapezeus]

mikey's situations above were actually based on plays or things he saw. the cursing was a response. when a ref really messes up the whole stadium chants ahole in unison. So that's not the issue.

The issue is the guy so drunk who puts a 10 word sentence together and 8 words are the F word, one makes no sense, the other is "bro" and followed by the obligatory drunken shout song chorus as the rest of us are waiting for the team to be introduced from the M&T bubble. This same guy will be the guy who may need a beer or bathroom before the national anthem.

Meanwhile the rest of us are all thinking, "this guy sucks." If we can actually get that guy tossed, good for those of us who pay the full ticket price and actually come for the game. These guys are skipping over common ettiquette. As a result, ettiquette is being written down. They brought that on themselves. Not a bunch of over legislative ninnies who want the Ralph to be Wimbledon.

There are a lot of bars in the area opened until 4am that will cater to you just being a dbag. the cover is $2 and the beers are $3. Why let football get in your way. This is the cheaper option.

[Bill Brasky]

:rofl: i'm just going to sit back and laugh at the assinine hilarity ensuing in here.

i'm going to laugh even harder when you realize these rules and handing out power where it doesn't belong will eventually bite you in the ass, but go right ahead. it'll give you guys something else to ***** about when you realize it wasn't such a grand idea in the first place.

for a building with 73,000 people in it, the instances sure are few and far between.

anyways, let's make a huge deal out of the one or two fights and ruin it for everyone. i mean, they were serious fights. i think i read in the paper that nobody died, but man, it was bad, guys were yelling and pretty mad at each other and oh boy was it terrible. oh yeah, beer is the sole reason, it has nothing to do with the person consuming it, so we should ban that too. and also, i heard a person say JP Losman should "go to hell", we should ban free speech because my 10 year old isn't ever going to be subjected to it by his peers. oh and i almost forgot, i paid like, 50 bucks, to watch the bills and this guy in front of me is clapping and standing and shouting all day, can we get him escorted so that i might enjoy this most joyous occassion in peace? i would watch it on tv in the privacy of my own home so that i don't have to deal with this, but i'd rather be here in person so that i can tell others what is and isn't acceptable.

go bills yay!

[THATHURMANATOR]

LOL Brasky! AMEN!!! :bf1:

[Michael82]

mikey's situations above were actually based on plays or things he saw. the cursing was a response. when a ref really messes up the whole stadium chants ahole in unison. So that's not the issue.

The issue is the guy so drunk who puts a 10 word sentence together and 8 words are the F word, one makes no sense, the other is "bro" and followed by the obligatory drunken shout song chorus as the rest of us are waiting for the team to be introduced from the M&T bubble. This same guy will be the guy who may need a beer or bathroom before the national anthem.

Meanwhile the rest of us are all thinking, "this guy sucks." If we can actually get that guy tossed, good for those of us who pay the full ticket price and actually come for the game. These guys are skipping over common ettiquette. As a result, ettiquette is being written down. They brought that on themselves. Not a bunch of over legislative ninnies who want the Ralph to be Wimbledon.

There are a lot of bars in the area opened until 4am that will cater to you just being a dbag. the cover is $2 and the beers are $3. Why let football get in your way. This is the cheaper option.
The problem is that they are setting this new code of conduct up and it's supposed to be similar to what the Patriots have been doing for a few years. I was talking to Kenny about it and he said that the security guys basically look around and see who has that glossed over look, or red eyes and kick them out of the stadium. This new policy is like the ****ing Patriot Act and it's the beginning of more restrictions on tailgating, and basically having fun at the games. :ill:

[THATHURMANATOR]

And what about the douche Usher on a power trip in my section?

[Michael82]

And what about the douche Usher on a power trip in my section?
That's the scary thing. :ill:

[trapezeus]

i think this year will be a trial year. they may have excessive tossings to make a point. maybe. but probably not.

lets not confuse boston with buffalo. Boston is a bunch of alcoholics who are trying to fight over every little thing. most buffalonians are happy drunks who have a good time. What happens in boston, stays in boston.

if they are overzeolous and people are thrown out incorrectly, there will be a backlash the other way. and year 2 will be very different.

[THATHURMANATOR]

i think this year will be a trial year. they may have excessive tossings to make a point. maybe. but probably not.

lets not confuse boston with buffalo. Boston is a bunch of alcoholics who are trying to fight over every little thing. most buffalonians are happy drunks who have a good time. What happens in boston, stays in boston.

if they are overzeolous and people are thrown out incorrectly, there will be a backlash the other way. and year 2 will be very different.
Eh my section appears to be a bunch of alcohalics who try to fight over every little thing but I sit in the endzone.

[Bill Brasky]

And what about the douche Usher on a power trip in my section?

Nonsense man, there are none of those! They don't even exist, but the fights and general lawlessness of the fans is definitely there and we need to put a stop to this fun RIGHT NOW before it gets too out of hand. Everybody just needs to chill and not have so much damn fun all the time. (am i allowed to say damn here? i'm not really sure, i hope so, i don't want to be escorted out for being too unruly. also, i hope i didn't offend anyone by saying damn. if i did, i am very sorry and will apologize and most likely agree to the demands of your civil suit, because surely little timmy wouldn't have heard the word on tv, through a friend, or during daddy's tirade in the garage after he couldn't find the hammer to finish the tree house. also, how much am i allowed to clap? you see, i like to support my team, but if my clapping goes over 5 decibels i wouldn't want to be held liable for any hearing damage you might incur. perhaps it'd be easier if you could just supply me with an itemized list of things I CAN partake in so that it might be easier for all of us?)

[OpIv37]

Let me just ask you guys this:

How many times have you seen someone who should have been removed from the stadium but wasn't?

And I'm not talking about dropping an F bomb here and there or hurling an insult at an opposing fan who was cheering too loud. I'm talking about fighting, constantly berating other fans, constant barrages of F bombs, etc.

I know I haven't been to as many games as some of you, but on the average I get to 1 game a year and I've never seen someone being a complete ass who wasn't removed under the old rules.

It all comes down to this: are these rules really necessary to increase enjoyment of the game?

In my experiences, they aren't.

[Dr. Lecter]

Let me just ask you guys this:

How many times have you seen someone who should have been removed from the stadium but wasn't?



Several. It is not uncommon.

The last few years have been really nuts and people are getting more out of control.

[RockStar36]

Can I ask how this is any different than previous years? They always say these things before the season starts...what has changed?

That being said, I've been warned many times before but never actually got the boot.

[RockStar36]

I can understand the fighting but as long as it is within reason, I don't see any reason with getting on fans of the other team. I always look at that like it's a known fact, they are coming to the Ralph to root for the opposite team, they better be ready to get **** for it. I wouldn't expect anything different if I went to Pittsburgh or any other stadium with Bills gear on.

[OpIv37]

Several. It is not uncommon.

The last few years have been really nuts and people are getting more out of control.

are people really getting more out of control, or are you just getting older and less tolerant of it?

[njsue]

No I don't think there will be a rebellion but just many people just not going at all.


I guarantee you that there will be replacements for those who choose not to obide the rules and not go to the game.

You snooze you lose.

Gee its just plain old common sense to act decent. You get to watch the game in person rather than your living room or a stinking bar atmosphere.

[Jan Reimers]

I agree with Op, that the new rules won't have too much of an impact. The really bad actors that fight, or throw up or fall over on people, or who harrass others to the point where it becomes obnoxious, will be ejected, just as in the past.

Frankly, I'm all for throwing out anyone who starts to really harrass me, or tries to pick a fight, or pukes on me.

The rest of us should be fine.

[TacklingDummy]

Let me just ask you guys this:

How many times have you seen someone who should have been removed from the stadium but wasn't?


73,000 people, can't watch everyone.

[Dr. Lecter]

are people really getting more out of control, or are you just getting older and less tolerant of it?

That could be part of it, for sure.

But there seems to be more fights and people acting like general *******s. The people behind me were nuts and the one got booted twice for being drunk.

[TacklingDummy]

are people really getting more out of control, or are you just getting older and less tolerant of it?

Don't act like an a-hole and anyone's chances of being tossed out is pretty slim. It's really that simple.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I guarantee you that there will be replacements for those who choose not to obide the rules and not go to the game.

You snooze you lose.

Gee its just plain old common sense to act decent. You get to watch the game in person rather than your living room or a stinking bar atmosphere.
Well your guarantee would be 100% incorrect.

[THATHURMANATOR]

That could be part of it, for sure.

But there seems to be more fights and people acting like general *******s. The people behind me were nuts and the one got booted twice for being drunk.
The crowd does seem to be getting very rowdy but again it is a football game not a tea party.

I will never get the image of Santa clause stomping a guy in the head last season..... :ill:

[njsue]

Well your guarantee would be 100% incorrect.


There are fans that have tried to get tickets but could not. These are the unruly fans replacements.

[RockStar36]

Huh?

[THATHURMANATOR]

There are fans that have tried to get tickets but could not. These are the unruly fans replacements.
What are you even talking about?

I have been to every game for the last 7 years. I can easily tell you the crowd and tailgate has become progressively younger and more of a party crowd. I think this is how they are actually able to sell out so many games for a non winning team. People have a great time partying at the tailgates and the games are just the icing on the cake. Take away partying in the parking lots and boom thousands of younger fans gone from going to games. I can not see older folks scurrying to buy up all those tickets that they could already had.

[njsue]

What are you even talking about?

I have been to every game for the last 7 years. I can easily tell you the crowd and tailgate has become progressively younger and more of a party crowd. I think this is how they are actually able to sell out so many games for a non winning team. People have a great time partying at the tailgates and the games are just the icing on the cake. Take away partying in the parking lots and boom thousands of younger fans gone from going to games. I can not see older folks scurrying to buy up all those tickets that they could already had.

They will when this bills team starts winning games.

[THATHURMANATOR]

They will when this bills team starts winning games.
Possibly but you were acting as if it would happen right away.

[trapezeus]

i also think with the team being so bad that people lose interest in watching an anemic offense and a bend but don't break defense.

i know if all the drinking remained the same, but the team was good, it would be channelled as positive energy, and the opposing fans who may or may not start stuff, would probably have a tougher time getting tickets.

[OpIv37]

That could be part of it, for sure.

But there seems to be more fights and people acting like general *******s. The people behind me were nuts and the one got booted twice for being drunk.

but see, he got booted under the old rules.

So, what's the point of new rules when the old ones are working?

[trapezeus]

maybe the point is just to say, "these are the unwritten rules written down now". nothing is going to change, but it'll make people a little more respectful of others around them. if they say nothing, people keep pushing the envelope.

[RockStar36]

Those damn unruly kids...always ruining it for us.

[Michael82]

I can understand the fighting but as long as it is within reason, I don't see any reason with getting on fans of the other team. I always look at that like it's a known fact, they are coming to the Ralph to root for the opposite team, they better be ready to get **** for it. I wouldn't expect anything different if I went to Pittsburgh or any other stadium with Bills gear on.
Exactly! Great post! :bf1:

[MikeInRoch]

The bottom line for me is that I will attend less games in the future because of the how the fans were at the last two games I attended. My one to two tickets purchased a year may not even be a drop in the bucket, but I doubt I'm the only one.

[THATHURMANATOR]

The bottom line for me is that I will attend less games in the future because of the how the fans were at the last two games I attended. My one to two tickets purchased a year may not even be a drop in the bucket, but I doubt I'm the only one.
What happened Mike?

[MikeInRoch]

Well for starters, the number of drunk people who *need* to get by me *while a play was going on* to either relieve themselves or go get beer was completely ridiculous. No, you can NOT block my view on third down, thank you.

Last game two people sitting next to me were smoking almost the entire game. When I asked the kid behind me not to, he responded by kicking my pregnant wife's seat for the rest of the game, and flicking the top of my hat when he thought I wasn't looking. It's probably fortunate that she was there, because that's the only thing that stopped me from beating the **** out of him.

[RockStar36]

That would piss me off too.

However I must say, when you get 70,000+ together for something there is bound to be *******s somewhere along the line.

[DraftBoy]

I hope they enforce each rule to the nth degree and toss out 200-300 people a game to prove a point.

I hope its worst than the patriot act and each usher now gets a taser and cattle prod as part of their standard uniform.

[justasportsfan]

it's not hard to spot bills fans beating on each other in a bills game. We are one of the best and worst fans at the same time.

[Bill Brasky]

I hope they enforce each rule to the nth degree and toss out 200-300 people a game to prove a point.

I hope its worst than the patriot act and each usher now gets a taser and cattle prod as part of their standard uniform.

while we're at it we should also give them captive bolt pistols!

[DraftBoy]

while we're at it we should also give them captive bolt pistols!

I was going to also include the power to handcuff, beat, and throw in jail people to but I thought it may be a little over the line but now that you bring that up...

[Bill Brasky]

maybe they can put a water torture cell in the basement and make examples out of unruly fans.

[njsue]

Well for starters, the number of drunk people who *need* to get by me *while a play was going on* to either relieve themselves or go get beer was completely ridiculous. No, you can NOT block my view on third down, thank you.

Last game two people sitting next to me were smoking almost the entire game. When I asked the kid behind me not to, he responded by kicking my pregnant wife's seat for the rest of the game, and flicking the top of my hat when he thought I wasn't looking. It's probably fortunate that she was there, because that's the only thing that stopped me from beating the **** out of him.

Take the initiative to call a security person over to handle the situation.

[RockStar36]

Take the initiative to call a security person over to handle the situation.

That would most likely cause more trouble than it's worth.

[The Spaz]

That would most likely cause more trouble than it's worth.

You would get the POS out of the stadium and you would be able to enjoy the game.

[MikeInRoch]

Security did come once and ask them to stop. No, they don't kick you out for that the first time.

[SABuffalo786]

They can do what they want with the rest of the stadium but they better leave the Rockpile be if they know what's good for them. ;)

[X-Era]

How do you think the new policy will effect the games at the Ralph? Just how strict will it be? I can't see them kicking people out for trash talking the opposing fans.

Will it change the energy in the stadium, because we all know, a lot of the energy is fueled by alcohol.


-- Behavior that is unruly, disruptive, or illegal.

-- Drunkenness and signs of alcohol impairment that result in irresponsible behavior.

-- Foul or abusive language or obscene gestures.

-- Interference with the progress of the game, including throwing objects onto the field.

-- Failing to follow instructions of stadium personnel.

-- Verbal or physical harassment of fans from the opposing team.

That list is almost EXACTLY what they were screening anyways.

As far as abusing opposing teams fans go, its gray area, but I have witnessed it be ridiculous. Those fans pay good money too, and they are entitled to watch the game just like everyone else. That said, flame on if you can get away with it, this is OUR house.

It made me sick to see so many Pats fans at our Sunday nighter last year. SICK!

[SABuffalo786]

It made me sick to see so many Pats fans at our Sunday nighter last year. SICK!


We made confetti out of their signs in 200. :D:

[tampabay25690]

How do you think the new policy will effect the games at the Ralph? Just how strict will it be? I can't see them kicking people out for trash talking the opposing fans.

Will it change the energy in the stadium, because we all know, a lot of the energy is fueled by alcohol.


-- Behavior that is unruly, disruptive, or illegal.

-- Drunkenness and signs of alcohol impairment that result in irresponsible behavior.

-- Foul or abusive language or obscene gestures.

-- Interference with the progress of the game, including throwing objects onto the field.

-- Failing to follow instructions of stadium personnel.

-- Verbal or physical harassment of fans from the opposing team.

Before the half there will be half the fans left in there seats!!!!!!!!

[Historian]

I'm all for it. Here are a few of the greatest hits from the past couple of seasons: (And I sat in a season ticket area)

1. Raider game, 2002: Some drunk chick had half her face painted silver, half her face painted black. Fine...until she got plastered. Then we found out her breasts were painted to match.

2. Redskin game 2003: Sitting in end zones with Mikey and Wys and Rich. Some drunken pissant throws a cup of beer that hits Rich in the back. Rich confronts him, drunken pissant proceeds to threaten to kick Rich's ass. Rich, to his credit, shows restraint by not popping the kid's head like it were a zit.

3. Miami Game 2004: A young guy two rows up, about 6 seats down was cursing every play. **** Miami this...**** Miami that, etc. Lady in front of me turns around to hi-five me after a Bills TD, and says, "Can you believe his language?" To which I replied, "Seems to have anger issues." Then she says, "He's not that way at school." I said, "What do you mean?" To which she replied, "He's my son's math teacher!"

4. Lions Preseason Game 2005 Kid's Night: Two drunken yahoos start throwing beer at each other, and a brawl ensues, which results in a small boy (maybe 8 or 9 ) getting knocked onto his butt in the aisle.

5. Dallas Monday Night Game 2007: People were standing much of the game. An older gent two rows in front of me, asked a young man to sit down so he could see, to which the kid turned around shoved his middle finger in the old man's face and yelled, "**** you old man...shut up or I'll kick your ****ing ass!"

Sorry, but this crap has gotten way out of control. And this is just a fraction of some of the stuff I've seen.

Paying 50 bucks for a ticket does not give you a license to:

1. Act like an ass.
2. Drink till you puke.
3. Create a brawl.
4. Use the game as an outlet for all your pent up agression.

[njsue]

I'm all for it. Here are a few of the greatest hits from the past couple of seasons: (And I sat in a season ticket area)

1. Raider game, 2002: Some drunk chick had half her face painted silver, half her face painted black. Fine...until she got plastered. Then we found out her breasts were painted to match.

2. Redskin game 2003: Sitting in end zones with Mikey and Wys and Rich. Some drunken pissant throws a cup of beer that hits Rich in the back. Rich confronts him, drunken pissant proceeds to threaten to kick Rich's ass. Rich, to his credit, shows restraint by not popping the kid's head like it were a zit.

3. Miami Game 2004: A young guy two rows up, about 6 seats down was cursing every play. **** Miami this...**** Miami that, etc. Lady in front of me turns around to hi-five me after a Bills TD, and says, "Can you believe his language?" To which I replied, "Seems to have anger issues." Then she says, "He's not that way at school." I said, "What do you mean?" To which she replied, "He's my son's math teacher!"

4. Lions Preseason Game 2005 Kid's Night: Two drunken yahoos start throwing beer at each other, and a brawl ensues, which results in a small boy (maybe 8 or 9 ) getting knocked onto his butt in the aisle.

5. Dallas Monday Night Game 2007: People were standing much of the game. An older gent two rows in front of me, asked a young man to sit down so he could see, to which the kid turned around shoved his middle finger in the old man's face and yelled, "**** you old man...shut up or I'll kick your ****ing ass!"

Sorry, but this crap has gotten way out of control. And this is just a fraction of some of the stuff I've seen.

Paying 50 bucks for a ticket does not give you a license to:

1. Act like an ass.
2. Drink till you puke.
3. Create a brawl.
4. Use the game as an outlet for all your pent up agression.


:bf1: Great points made. Can't enjoy a Bills football game with all this going on.

[mybills]

If you are really concerned about about getting thrown out, you're probably an @$$hole anyway...

Relax.
:bf1: :10:

:drama:

:snicker:

[THATHURMANATOR]

In my first year of season tickets I went down to the front row and grabbed the field goal net rope and raised one side if the net all the way up before anyone noticed. I was given a harsh talking too by security

[DraftBoy]

I'm all for it. Here are a few of the greatest hits from the past couple of seasons: (And I sat in a season ticket area)

1. Raider game, 2002: Some drunk chick had half her face painted silver, half her face painted black. Fine...until she got plastered. Then we found out her breasts were painted to match.

2. Redskin game 2003: Sitting in end zones with Mikey and Wys and Rich. Some drunken pissant throws a cup of beer that hits Rich in the back. Rich confronts him, drunken pissant proceeds to threaten to kick Rich's ass. Rich, to his credit, shows restraint by not popping the kid's head like it were a zit.

3. Miami Game 2004: A young guy two rows up, about 6 seats down was cursing every play. **** Miami this...**** Miami that, etc. Lady in front of me turns around to hi-five me after a Bills TD, and says, "Can you believe his language?" To which I replied, "Seems to have anger issues." Then she says, "He's not that way at school." I said, "What do you mean?" To which she replied, "He's my son's math teacher!"

4. Lions Preseason Game 2005 Kid's Night: Two drunken yahoos start throwing beer at each other, and a brawl ensues, which results in a small boy (maybe 8 or 9 ) getting knocked onto his butt in the aisle.

5. Dallas Monday Night Game 2007: People were standing much of the game. An older gent two rows in front of me, asked a young man to sit down so he could see, to which the kid turned around shoved his middle finger in the old man's face and yelled, "**** you old man...shut up or I'll kick your ****ing ass!"

Sorry, but this crap has gotten way out of control. And this is just a fraction of some of the stuff I've seen.

Paying 50 bucks for a ticket does not give you a license to:

1. Act like an ass.
2. Drink till you puke.
3. Create a brawl.
4. Use the game as an outlet for all your pent up agression.


I see no issue with #1, maybe thats just me...

[njsue]

I see no issue with #1, maybe thats just me...


She apparantly was violated while she was intoxicated. This is so wrong.

[Dr. Lecter]

Where did you get the idea she was violated?

I only got the idea she showed the world her Ta-Ta's.

[SABuffalo786]

I think an overly aggressive campaign against the younger "let's get trashed and go to the Bills game" set would do more harm than good. Like it or not we constitute a big part, if not the majority, of the crowd and neutering the atmosphere would kill off what makes Bills games so fun. And a ton of ticket sales, which the Bills can scarce afford at this critcal time in the club's life.

The family corner should be expanded to include much of the East end upper tier as sort of an anti-Rockpile so guys can bring their young sons.

There's only what? 3 sections of it?

I remember last year for the Jets game this father brought his two kids into 200. What a mistake, the guy behind them puked into his empty beer cup the entire first half.

I love my end and the atmosphere but I honestly think there should be age restrictions for the Rockpile. That or a disclaimer by the Bills on each Scoreboard ticket about the atmosphere up there.

[MikeInRoch]

neutering the atmosphere would kill off what makes Bills games so fun.

SOME of us actually enjoy the game.

[SABuffalo786]

SOME of us actually enjoy the game.


And some of us like watching the game AND having a good time. Don't get your panties in a wad.

[MikeInRoch]

Just because acting like an a****** is your idea of a good time doesn't mean that everyone should have have to put up with it.

[BillsPride12]

Good list, but you forgot to mention guys running around the divider between the 100 and 200 levels a couple games, a chainsaw incident in the parking lot a couple seasons back, multiple guys/kids running onto the field, and a supposed stabbing in the rockpile.

[SABuffalo786]

Just because acting like an a****** is your idea of a good time doesn't mean that everyone should have have to put up with it.


Then go ahead and taddle with all the other soccer moms with your text messages to Russ Brandon. :rolleyes:

[MikeInRoch]

Me not wanting people puking at me and getting in the way of the game makes me a soccer mom?

Of course, I don't expect much rational discussion of behavior from people who think acting that way is ok.

[Historian]

Last preseason, when Dozer, Lecter and me and my Brother-in-law were sitting all together, I caught security chasing a guy down on the field on my razor cell phone.

I still have it. Is there any way I can post it here?

[Dude]

Download it to your computer and attach it to a post, or upload it to your Zone gallery and link to the image.

[Dude]

BTW, if this was in place last year at the opener, Lecter and I would have had a lot of empty seats around us.

[trapezeus]

Last preseason, when Dozer, Lecter and me and my Brother-in-law were sitting all together, I caught security chasing a guy down on the field on my razor cell phone.

I still have it. Is there any way I can post it here?

Was this the guy who was juking absolutely no one from like 20 yards ahead of the closest security person and ultimately did a spin move on the first guy who tried to tackle him?

I'd love to see that again. That was spectacular. i also recall everyone was annoyed because the game was essentially over. he saved it by being funny.

[Dr. Lecter]

BTW, if this was in place last year at the opener, Lecter and I would have had a lot of empty seats around us.

We did have a buncha anyway, but there sure as hell would have been more. How the Bronco's fans survived, I'll never figure out.

Try not to start fights this year, OK?

[Dude]

Yes, sir.