Let's Bury Something

[Captain gameboy]

One of the things that irritates me is that we never seem to come to a conclusion about a premise, regardless of evidence.

Let's bury one thing here.

The concept that our training camp is "Club Jauron," and that the staff's decision to practice the way we do in camp, specifically, the number of two a days, leads us to not being prepared early, and is a factor in injuries.

We are 2-0, with no serious injuries in our first two games, and anything from here forward is clearly not the result of running or not running two-a-days with a lot of guys who are no longer here.

Can we at least draw that conclusion, or are we going to read the same nonsense next year?

Can I get an RIP to this premise?

[OpIv37]

Re: Let's Bury Something

One of the things that irritates me is that we never seem to come to a conclusion about a premise, regardless of evidence.

Let's bury one thing here.

The concept that our training camp is "Club Jauron," and that the staff's decision to practice the way we do in camp, specifically, the number of two a days, leads us to not being prepared early, and is a factor in injuries.

We are 2-0, with no serious injuries in our first two games, and anything from here forward is clearly not the result of running or not running two-a-days with a lot of guys who are no longer here.

Can we at least draw that conclusion, or are we going to read the same nonsense next year?

Can I get an RIP to this premise?

Absolutely not.

With similar training camp regimens, the team was 2-5 in 2006 and 1-4 in 2007. They lost close games early in the season and wore down in the 4th quarter.

So, out of three examples, we have 2 where the team wasn't ready and 1 were the team was ready. And you think that's enough evidence to bury it? Please.

We can only give an RIP to the premise if you forget 2006 and 2007 ever happened.

[Dr. Lecter]

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You have no evidence the TCs were the reason for the slow starts.

Correlation is not the same as causality.

[Captain gameboy]

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Sure Op.

"The team," isn't "the team."

They are all different, and this one isn't the others.

[OpIv37]

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Sure Op.

"The team," isn't "the team."

They are all different, and this one isn't the others.

But numerous things are different.

Maybe we didn't start slow this year because we had enough talent to overcome the lack of preparation. Maybe the teams we played weren't as strong and that allowed us to overcome Club Jauron. Maybe not.

With 2 examples of slow starts and numerous factors at play, it is impossible to logically rule out Club Jauron as a myth. You accuse other people of having no evidence that it's a problem, yet you want to come to a conclusion without evidence yourself simply because you don't like the premise.

[HHURRICANE]

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No this can't be buried. If anything the Bills learned that Club Jauron didn't work and that's why this camp was so much more intense.

Maybe that's why we are 2-0.

[OpIv37]

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You have no evidence the TCs were the reason for the slow starts.

Correlation is not the same as causality.

He has no evidence that it isn't. Until we get evidence one way or the other, it's still a possibility and it shouldn't be buried.

[Dr. Lecter]

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If Club Jauron was the reason for the last two season's slow starts, it would have caused a slow start this season. Could have it contributed? Perhaps, but the team is starting very fast including not wearing down in the most exhausting game they have had in years this past Sunday. It would have reared its ugly head then for sure.

It did not happen. Just like missing one practice in July did not doom the team.

[OpIv37]

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If Club Jauron was the reason for the last two season's slow starts, it would have caused a slow start this season. Could have it contributed? Perhaps, but the team is starting very fast including not wearing down in the most exhausting game they have had in years this past Sunday. It would have reared its ugly head then for sure.

It did not happen. Just like missing one practice in July did not doom the team.

That's an overly simplistic view of the situation. Maybe it didn't happen because our players kept themselves in better shape on their own in the off-season. Maybe it didn't happen because the other team didn't wear us down as much. Mayb it didn't happen because the training staff had a better hydration strategy.

There are several examples of the team not being prepared early in the season. There is ONE example of the team being prepared. That is not nearly enough evidence to conclude that Club Jauron isn't a problem.

And you keep going back to that missed practice. We've been over this before- it's a symptom, not the problem in itself. The problem is Jauron further limiting opportunities to practice, which are limited by the CBA as it is.

[Mitchy moo]

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Our improvements are based on the talent we field. The offseason conditioning programs have helped as well but not as much as the players desire to succeed. Heart comes in many ways, contributing to a win, however small that contribution, is what counts.

[Albany,n.y.]

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Absolutely not.

With similar training camp regimens, the team was 2-5 in 2006 and 1-4 in 2007. They lost close games early in the season and wore down in the 4th quarter.

So, out of three examples, we have 2 where the team wasn't ready and 1 were the team was ready. And you think that's enough evidence to bury it? Please.

We can only give an RIP to the premise if you forget 2006 and 2007 ever happened.

Hmmmm, lets see same coach, same training camp stuff.
Maybe it's the talent level-most importantly QB

[justasportsfan]

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You have no evidence the TCs were the reason for the slow starts.

Correlation is not the same as causality.

I would attribute the last couple of years slow starts to rebuilding and being last years youngest team .

Club Jauron beat the Jaguars in 95 degree heat in their own backyard. Impressive.

[Ebenezer]

Re: Let's Bury Something

One of the things that irritates me is that we never seem to come to a conclusion about a premise, regardless of evidence.

Let's bury one thing here.

The concept that our training camp is "Club Jauron," and that the staff's decision to practice the way we do in camp, specifically, the number of two a days, leads us to not being prepared early, and is a factor in injuries.

We are 2-0, with no serious injuries in our first two games, and anything from here forward is clearly not the result of running or not running two-a-days with a lot of guys who are no longer here.

Can we at least draw that conclusion, or are we going to read the same nonsense next year?

Can I get an RIP to this premise?

I will agree except for on one point...tackling. This team is weak on that.

[Captain gameboy]

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I would attribute the last couple of years slow starts to rebuilding and being last years youngest team .

Club Jauron beat the Jaguars in 95 degree heat in their own backyard. Impressive.

Absolutely.

They are prepared.
They are going into the third game injury free, and anything that happens from this day on cannot be attribute to lack of activity at camp.

Nobody has a thing to say about way Jauron's staff handled this camp, other than they did a pretty nice job.

Not a single realistic fan had us out of the gate at 2-0 without injury.

It is buried.

[justasportsfan]

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Absolutely.

They are prepared.
They are going into the third game injury free, and anything that happens from this day on cannot be attribute to lack of activity at camp.

Nobody has a thing to say about way Jauron's staff handled this camp, other than they did a pretty nice job.

Not a single realistic fan had us out of the gate at 2-0 without injury.

It is buried.

Dicks team usually finishes strong for him. This time they came out strong. I hope they finish stronger later in the season than the way they started