NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

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  • MikeInRoch
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    • Sep 2003
    • 10446

    NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

    Here's what I can find. Disclaimer: this is from the 2006 rulebook, but I'm pretty sure this rule hasn't changed.

    If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opposing players who both retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and retains control, regardless of subsequent joint control with an opponent. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.
    and

    To gain possession of a loose ball (3-2-3) that has been caught, intercepted, or recovered, a player must have complete control of the ball and have both feet completely on the ground inbounds or any other part of his body, other than his hands, on the ground inbounds. If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any other part of his body to the ground or if there is any doubt that the acts were simultaneous, there is no possession. This rule applies in the field of play and in the end zone.
    Keep in mind that the term 'loose ball' includes those that have been passed - so it does not only refer to fumbled or tipped balls.

    I'm going by memory here, but to me I thought Evans had control of the ball first, so by the first rule, it should have been Evans ball anyway.
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  • parrishlynchevans
    Registered User
    • Sep 2008
    • 190

    #2
    Re: NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

    Originally posted by MikeInRoch
    Here's what I can find. Disclaimer: this is from the 2006 rulebook, but I'm pretty sure this rule hasn't changed.



    and



    Keep in mind that the term 'loose ball' includes those that have been passed - so it does not only refer to fumbled or tipped balls.

    I'm going by memory here, but to me I thought Evans had control of the ball first, so by the first rule, it should have been Evans ball anyway.
    The fact that he had possession of the football and was already down by contact means the play should of been dead.


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    • mybills
      81 st zoner
      • Jul 2002
      • 61717

      #3
      Re: NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

      Originally posted by parrishlynchevans
      The fact that he had possession of the football and was already down by contact means the play should of been dead.
      Exactly!
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      • M
        Registered User
        • Aug 2006
        • 1947

        #4
        Re: NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

        Originally posted by parrishlynchevans
        The fact that he had possession of the football and was already down by contact means the play should of been dead.
        Agreed. BUT, he should have never let that guy wrestle the ball away from him in the first place. Dead play or not.
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        • mybills
          81 st zoner
          • Jul 2002
          • 61717

          #5
          Re: NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

          That doesn't matter when you're down by contact. I think it looks stupid pat-like to do that..like you're a sore loser so you have to rip the ball out of their hands.
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          • parrishlynchevans
            Registered User
            • Sep 2008
            • 190

            #6
            Re: NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

            Originally posted by CTBills97
            Agreed. BUT, he should have never let that guy wrestle the ball away from him in the first place. Dead play or not.
            I don't care about that. The dumber play of the day made by Evans was trying to do something crazy just to get out of bounds at the end of the 1st half when the Bills had a chance to at least put up three points on the board.


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            • Historian
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              • Dec 2002
              • 61944

              #7
              Re: NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

              I thought it was a terrible call.

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              • PECKERWOOD
                Defies all logic
                • Oct 2006
                • 13170

                #8
                Re: NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

                I agree, we got screwed hard on that call and the alleged offensive pass interference call on Evans was balogna.

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                • Dr. Lecter
                  Zero for Zero!
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 67946

                  #9
                  Re: NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

                  Evans pass interference call was correct. It happened almost in front of me andhe pushed off.
                  Originally posted by mysticsoto
                  Lecter is right in everything he said.

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                  • Dujek
                    Hall of Fame Zoner
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 7806

                    #10
                    Re: NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

                    The pass interference call was spot on. It was one of the most obvious push-offs I've seen in a long time.

                    The interception should definitely have been called as a reception by Evans though, bad call by the officials and then an even worse one when they didn't reverse it.

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                    • RedEyE
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 24661

                      #11
                      Re: NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

                      This was a very bad call by the officials and the fact that they used instant replay (still getting it wrong) and not consulting their rulebook, irratates me to no end.

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                      • BigZ
                        Registered User
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 842

                        #12
                        Re: NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

                        The play and camera angles should be sent to the league office for review. It was a bad call and changed the whole game - until the 4th quarter. Had the catch stood, the Raiders wouldn 't have scored then and maybe the Bills even would have put points on the board.

                        Let the league decide.

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                        • RockStar36
                          Dude's Little Ignorant Crony
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 24761

                          #13
                          Re: NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

                          It was a terrible call.

                          I remember a few years back, I think it was against Baltimore on New Years, Evans caught a bomb and wrestled with the defender and the ref specifically said "a tie goes to the receiver".

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                          • Forward_Lateral
                            Registered User
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 29897

                            #14
                            Re: NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

                            I want to hear the NFL's explanation of this, and I hope Jauron speaks up about it too.

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                            • Michael82
                              Registered User
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 82328

                              #15
                              Re: NFL Rulebook: Simultaneous Posession

                              I've always thought that a tie goes to a receiver, so it definitely should have been Lee Evans' ball. I was really pissed with that call because to me it looked like Evans had it the whole way down, until the defender ripped the ball out of his hands when he was already down on the ground.

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