Be a swami & tell us how we are going to do with the games we have left...

[Mitchy moo]

Pretty straight forward stuff, how are we going to do??

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(http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=6596)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row2 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>9/21</TD><TD class=table_row2>OAKLAND RAIDERS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>W 24-23 (http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=6630)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row1 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>9/28</TD><TD class=table_row1 noWrap>@ St. Louis Rams</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>W 31-14</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row1 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>10/5</TD><TD class=table_row1 noWrap>@ Arizona Cardinals</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>L 17-41 (http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=6721)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row2 align=left>BYE</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>10/12</TD><TD class=table_row2>BYE</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle> </TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>BYE</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row2 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>10/19</TD><TD class=table_row2>SAN DIEGO CHARGERS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>1:00 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row1 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>10/26</TD><TD class=table_row1 noWrap>@ Miami Dolphinshttp://buffalobills.com/images/schedule/genplane.gif (http://www.jetblue.com/default.asp?source=Bills08)</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>1:00 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row2 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>11/2</TD><TD class=table_row2>NEW YORK JETS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>1:00 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row1 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>11/9</TD><TD class=table_row1 noWrap>@ New England Patriotshttp://buffalobills.com/images/schedule/genplane.gif (http://www.jetblue.com/default.asp?source=Bills08)</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>1:00 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row2 align=left>Mon.</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>11/17</TD><TD class=table_row2>CLEVELAND BROWNS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>ESPN</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>8:30 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row1 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>11/23</TD><TD class=table_row1 noWrap>@ Kansas City Chiefs</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>1:00 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row2 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>11/30</TD><TD class=table_row2>SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>FOX</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>1:00 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row2 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>12/7</TD><TD class=table_row2>MIAMI DOLPHINS (Toronto)</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>4:05 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row1 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>12/14</TD><TD class=table_row1 noWrap>@ New York Jetshttp://buffalobills.com/images/schedule/genplane.gif (http://www.jetblue.com/default.asp?source=Bills08)</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>1:00 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row1 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>12/21</TD><TD class=table_row1 noWrap>@ Denver Broncoshttp://buffalobills.com/images/schedule/genplane.gif (http://www.jetblue.com/default.asp?source=Bills08)</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>4:05 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row2 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>12/28</TD><TD class=table_row2>NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>1:00 PM</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[justasportsfan]

playoffs

[Ebenezer]

they will play weekly, they will play hard...and we will watch the games.

[OpIv37]

Sun. 10/19 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS L- 4-2
Sun. 10/26 @ Miami Dolphins L 4-3
Sun. 11/2 NEW YORK JETS W 5-3
Sun. 11/9 @ New England Patriots L 5-4
Mon. 11/17 CLEVELAND BROWNS L 5-5
Sun. 11/23 @ Kansas City Chiefs W 6-5
Sun. 11/30 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS W 7-5
Sun. 12/7 MIAMI DOLPHINS (Toronto) L 7-6
Sun. 12/14 @ New York Jets L 7-7
Sun. 12/21 @ Denver Broncos L 7-8
Sun. 12/28 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS L 7-9

I could see us winning the last game against NE if they rest their starters for the playoffs and finishing 8-8. But our next 5 games are brutal and won't be nearly as fun for us fans as the first 5.

[justasportsfan]

Sun. 10/19 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS L- 4-2
Sun. 10/26 @ Miami Dolphins L 4-3
Sun. 11/2 NEW YORK JETS W 5-3
Sun. 11/9 @ New England Patriots L 5-4
Mon. 11/17 CLEVELAND BROWNS L 5-5
Sun. 11/23 @ Kansas City Chiefs W 6-5
Sun. 11/30 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS W 7-5
Sun. 12/7 MIAMI DOLPHINS (Toronto) L 7-6
Sun. 12/14 @ New York Jets L 7-7
Sun. 12/21 @ Denver Broncos L 7-8
Sun. 12/28 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS L 7-9

I could see us winning the last game against NE if they rest their starters for the playoffs and finishing 8-8. But our next 5 games are brutal and won't be nearly as fun for us fans as the first 5.
lose to the browns at home? last in total offense . Yet you tell us we're unrealistic?

[BAM]

Sun. 10/19 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS W 5-1
Sun. 10/26 @ Miami Dolphins W 6-1
Sun. 11/2 NEW YORK JETS W 7-1
Sun. 11/9 @ New England Patriots L 7-2
Mon. 11/17 CLEVELAND BROWNS W 8-2
Sun. 11/23 @ Kansas City Chiefs W 9-2
Sun. 11/30 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS L 9-3
Sun. 12/7 MIAMI DOLPHINS (Toronto) W 10-3
Sun. 12/14 @ New York Jets L 10-4
Sun. 12/21 @ Denver Broncos L 10-5
Sun. 12/28 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS W 11-5

Usually every team suffers a huge letdown or two and I think the Cards game was our first. The second will be the 49ers game at home because I'm coming to the game and bringing 2 of my friends who are 49ers fans. :ill: I think we'll get it together during the bye week and come out firing again vs. San Diego.

[OpIv37]

lose to the browns at home? last in total offense . Yet you tell us we're unrealistic?

Um, did you WATCH the game yesterday? You think any of our corners can handle Braylon Edwards? Whitner has yet to cover a TE well one on one and they have Kellen Winslow. On top of that, it's a night game and this team has yet to prove that they can win when the pressure is on. You calling it unrealistic doesn't make it unrealistic.

[Dr. Lecter]

Sweep by Miami and a loss to Cleveland?

And what has Winslow done? Not to mention Anderson looks horrendous. Their offense is NOTHING like Arizona's.

And Whitner has covered TEs and I doubt he will be on Winslow all day regardless.

[Ebenezer]

Um, did you WATCH the game yesterday? You think any of our corners can handle Braylon Edwards? Whitner has yet to cover a TE well one on one and they have Kellen Winslow. On top of that, it's a night game and this team has yet to prove that they can win when the pressure is on. You calling it unrealistic doesn't make it unrealistic.
night game?? link.

[Ebenezer]

Sun. 10/19 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS L- 4-2
Sun. 10/26 @ Miami Dolphins L 4-3
Sun. 11/2 NEW YORK JETS W 5-3
Sun. 11/9 @ New England Patriots L 5-4
Mon. 11/17 CLEVELAND BROWNS L 5-5
Sun. 11/23 @ Kansas City Chiefs W 6-5
Sun. 11/30 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS W 7-5
Sun. 12/7 MIAMI DOLPHINS (Toronto) L 7-6
Sun. 12/14 @ New York Jets L 7-7
Sun. 12/21 @ Denver Broncos L 7-8
Sun. 12/28 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS L 7-9

I could see us winning the last game against NE if they rest their starters for the playoffs and finishing 8-8. But our next 5 games are brutal and won't be nearly as fun for us fans as the first 5.
Op...just go all out...they won't win another game this year...come on...you know you want to say it...come on...do it.

[justasportsfan]

Um, did you WATCH the game yesterday? You think any of our corners can handle Braylon Edwards? Whitner has yet to cover a TE well one on one and they have Kellen Winslow. On top of that, it's a night game and this team has yet to prove that they can win when the pressure is on. You calling it unrealistic doesn't make it unrealistic.


Winslow and Edwards are so great that they are last in the NFL. If you are telling me about what they are going to do to us and I tell you what we are going to do to them, then you would be the realistic one and I would be the unrealistic one?

Wanna bet :D

[Dr. Lecter]

Cleveland is a Monday game


Why that makes it pressure for the Bills, I dunno.

[hydro]

Sun. 10/19 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS L- 4-2
Sun. 10/26 @ Miami Dolphins L 4-3
Sun. 11/2 NEW YORK JETS W 5-3
Sun. 11/9 @ New England Patriots L 5-4
Mon. 11/17 CLEVELAND BROWNS L 5-5
Sun. 11/23 @ Kansas City Chiefs W 6-5
Sun. 11/30 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS W 7-5
Sun. 12/7 MIAMI DOLPHINS (Toronto) L 7-6
Sun. 12/14 @ New York Jets L 7-7
Sun. 12/21 @ Denver Broncos L 7-8
Sun. 12/28 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS L 7-9

I could see us winning the last game against NE if they rest their starters for the playoffs and finishing 8-8. But our next 5 games are brutal and won't be nearly as fun for us fans as the first 5.

This post will be bookmarked ;)

[DraftBoy]

All losses of course! Come on now, more importantly who will we take #1 overall!

[OpIv37]

Sweep by Miami and a loss to Cleveland?

And what has Winslow done? Not to mention Anderson looks horrendous. Their offense is NOTHING like Arizona's.

And Whitner has covered TEs and I doubt he will be on Winslow all day regardless.

Our D will make them look like Arizona's. Whitner consistently struggles 1 on 1 with TE's whether you want to admit it or not. Winslow personally ate him alive last year.

Did you see any of the Miami game yesterday? Did you see our game? Miami is playing MUCH better. Even if we can beat them in FL we'll struggle with them in Toronto because of the added pressure.

[Dr. Lecter]

All losses of course! Come on now, more importantly who will we take #1 overall!

Soembody you don't like!

[justasportsfan]

Our D will make them look like Arizona's. .I get it. You make predictions and then you are the realistic one.

OP, LOGIC states that we can beat a team with the worse offense in football. I can back it up with facts when we beat teams with better offenses. Facts back up my logic, not yours.

[DraftBoy]

Soembody you don't like!

Works for me then I can ***** about it, you can call me wrong and then the season will prove me right.

[Dr. Lecter]

Our D will make them look like Arizona's. Whitner consistently struggles 1 on 1 with TE's whether you want to admit it or not. Winslow personally ate him alive last year.

Did you see any of the Miami game yesterday? Did you see our game? Miami is playing MUCH better. Even if we can beat them in FL we'll struggle with them in Toronto because of the added pressure.

And the first two weeks Miami looked like crap.

And have you seen Cleveland this year? They are horrible. 32nd in the NFL. The Bills defense will still be top 15 after this week.

Do you really think their offense has an advantage?

[OpIv37]

Cleveland is a Monday game


Why that makes it pressure for the Bills, I dunno.

Night game, national TV.

When was the last time the Bills won a night game? This team had two last year: A blowout and a monumental choke job.

[Typ0]

12 - 4 TE plays. 4 - 12 TE doesn't play.

[Dr. Lecter]

Works for me then I can ***** about it, you can call me wrong and then the season will prove me right.

BTW, it was one play in his rookie year, but your boy was toasted yesterday..........

(Not that he probably won't be a very good player, but had he made a play you would have made a comment.)

[DraftBoy]

Night game, national TV.

When was the last time the Bills won a night game? This team had two last year: A blowout and a monumental choke job.

Weren't those against good teams though? When was the last time we played a bad team in a night game?

[OpIv37]

I get it. You make predictions and then you are the realistic one.

OP, LOGIC states that we can beat a team with the worse offense in football. I can back it up with facts when we beat teams with better offenses. Facts back up my logic, not yours.

That logic doesn't account for the favorable matchups they have against us. That logic doesn't account for the way our team struggles under pressure. That logic doesn't account for the way our team struggled against inferior opponents in consecutive weeks.

[DraftBoy]

BTW, it was one play in his rookie year, but your boy was toasted yesterday..........

(Not that he probably won't be a very good player, but had he made a play you would have made a comment.)

He also had a good tackle too, but I saw he got smoked on a play. I was waiting for your thread on it...

[justasportsfan]

Night game, national TV.

When was the last time the Bills won a night game? This team had two last year: A blowout and a monumental choke job.
I'm quite familiar with the bills choking in national tv. Take the bet then.

[OpIv37]

And the first two weeks Miami looked like crap.

And have you seen Cleveland this year? They are horrible. 32nd in the NFL. The Bills defense will still be top 15 after this week.

Do you really think their offense has an advantage?

They certainly had an advantage when we played them last year. And after yesterday, they'll know how to exploit our D.

[OpIv37]

I'm quite familiar with the bills choking in national tv. Take the bet then.

I'm not sure if I have the ZB's to cover the bets I already made.

[Dr. Lecter]

Our D will make them look like Arizona's. Whitner consistently struggles 1 on 1 with TE's whether you want to admit it or not. Winslow personally ate him alive last year.

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Ate him alive????

Are you serious?

2 receptions for 28 yards??

You are blinded by hatred.

[BAM]

Last year shouldn't matter anyway right? Op, you should understand this I've seen you post it a few times already this year.

[justasportsfan]

That logic doesn't account for the favorable matchups they have against us. That logic doesn't account for the way our team struggles under pressure. That logic doesn't account for the way our team struggled against inferior opponents in consecutive weeks.
So now, you're the expert in match ups? I don't care, they are the worse offense in football. They barely beat a crappy bengals team without it's starting qb.

[Dr. Lecter]

He also had a good tackle too, but I saw he got smoked on a play. I was waiting for your thread on it...

No thread. That happens to every rookie CB, especially going against a vet deep threat like Evans

The safety should have been on Evans better, but there are very few QBs that can throw the ball 60 + yards. Sadly JP does not do much else but that pass was one that only 4-5 QBs in the NFL could have made.

[justasportsfan]

I'm not sure if I have the ZB's to cover the bets I already made.


excuses. If you're so sure of yourself then you shouldn't be worried about LOsing.

10,000 zb's.

You can earn more zb's starting threads of how crappy the bills are.

[OpIv37]

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Ate him alive????

Are you serious?

2 receptions for 28 yards??

You are blinded by hatred.

in a game in a FRIGGIN BLIZZARD where both teams combined for 8 points. Hardly any passes were completed that game, and the ones that were happened right in front of Whitner.

Let's take the other approach. When was the last time Whitner was in coverage on a TE and made a play on the ball to keep the TE from making the reception? Whitner gave up passes to the TE in the Seattle game, and in the Rams game, there were two times when he was covering McMichael and McMichael got open, but Green couldn't get him the ball. Whitner doesn't seem to be in 1 on 1 against TE's often because of the coverage schemes the Bills use, but when he is he usually loses.

[Dr. Lecter]

They certainly had an advantage when we played them last year. And after yesterday, they'll know how to exploit our D.

Their offense scored 6 points last year.

And, was also playing 100X better than they are now.

[OpIv37]

Last year shouldn't matter anyway right? Op, you should understand this I've seen you post it a few times already this year.

The O is very much the same as last year. The D is different but certainly didn't look like it yesterday.

Last year matters until they prove that they're different. So far, this team hasn't had any games that I would consider "big" games- maybe Jacksonville. But last year, they proved that they couldn't win big games or games with a lot of pressure.

So, until they prove that they can, why should we believe that they can?

[OpIv37]

excuses. If you're so sure of yourself then you shouldn't be worried about LOsing.

10,000 zb's.

You can earn more zb's starting threads of how crappy the bills are.

on the Cleveland game?

[justasportsfan]

in a game in a FRIGGIN BLIZZARD where both teams combined for 8 points. Hardly any passes were completed that game, and the ones that were happened right in front of Whitner.

.
I haven't seen a blizzard yet this year and they are the last in the NFL in O. Wiat maybe it rained in one of their games. Maybe then you'd have a leg to stand on.

[Dr. Lecter]

in a game in a FRIGGIN BLIZZARD where both teams combined for 8 points. Hardly any passes were completed that game, and the ones that were happened right in front of Whitner.

Let's take the other approach. When was the last time Whitner was in coverage on a TE and made a play on the ball to keep the TE from making the reception? Whitner gave up passes to the TE in the Seattle game, and in the Rams game, there were two times when he was covering McMichael and McMichael got open, but Green couldn't get him the ball. Whitner doesn't seem to be in 1 on 1 against TE's often because of the coverage schemes the Bills use, but when he is he usually loses.

You are changing your story.

Winslow did not "eat him alive". You have claimed that countless times and now have been proven wrong.

And, as you have said 1,000 times, the weather does not get mentioned since both teams played in it.

Giving up two passes a game to a TE is not bad. Where you got that idea, I will never, ever understand. And maybe, just maybe the TE is not seen much more than that because he is covered. Just saying.

[justasportsfan]

on the Cleveland game?
yes, I'm betting on the bills to win vs. browns.

[Ebenezer]

The O is very much the same as last year. The D is different but certainly didn't look like it yesterday.

Last year matters until they prove that they're different. So far, this team hasn't had any games that I would consider "big" games- maybe Jacksonville. But last year, they proved that they couldn't win big games or games with a lot of pressure.

So, until they prove that they can, why should we believe that they can?
exactly...until Cleveland can look like the best team in the state of Ohio we shouldn't believe they can do it.

[BAM]

The O is very much the same as last year. The D is different but certainly didn't look like it yesterday.

Last year matters until they prove that they're different. So far, this team hasn't had any games that I would consider "big" games- maybe Jacksonville. But last year, they proved that they couldn't win big games or games with a lot of pressure.

So, until they prove that they can, why should we believe that they can?
So last year matters sometimes. Got it. But mostly only when it supports certain arguments. Gotcha. Carry on!

[OpIv37]

You are changing your story.

Winslow did not "eat him alive". You have claimed that countless times and now have been proven wrong.

And, as you have said 1,000 times, the weather does not get mentioned since both teams played in it.

Giving up two passes a game to a TE is not bad. Where you got that idea, I will never, ever understand. And maybe, just maybe the TE is not seen much more than that because he is covered. Just saying.

fine, maybe I exaggerated. But Winslow DID beat him and those plays were crucial in the outcome of those games. The weather isn't an excuse for winning or losing because both teams has to play in it, but it's ludicrous for you to claim that it had no effects on the passing statistics. In a normal game, 2 receptions for 28 yards is pedestrian. In that particular game, it was huge.

Giving up two passes to a TE is bad when you're only on one one one coverage with the TE for two plays a game. Maybe, just MAYBE, if Whitner occasionally made a stop in those situations, I wouldn't be so harsh on giving up two plays. But he doesn't.

[justasportsfan]

You are changing your story.

Winslow did not "eat him alive". You have claimed that countless times and now have been proven wrong.

And, as you have said 1,000 times, the weather does not get mentioned since both teams played in it.

Giving up two passes a game to a TE is not bad. Where you got that idea, I will never, ever understand. And maybe, just maybe the TE is not seen much more than that because he is covered. Just saying.
Imagine that Lecter, OP is defending and making excuses for the worst O in the NFL and yet he's blasting the bills . He looks down on a 4-1 team and looks up to the browns?

I really am not sure anymore if Op is a bills fan anymore. Switch the bills team with cleveland, he would pick cleveland to beat us with Anderson and co. (as the bills team)

[OpIv37]

exactly...until Cleveland can look like the best team in the state of Ohio we shouldn't believe they can do it.

huh? What makes you think they have to be the best team in Ohio to beat us? That makes no sense whatsoever.

[Dr. Lecter]

Why is one bad game by the Bills defense more important than 4 bad games by the Browns offense?

[OpIv37]

So last year matters sometimes. Got it. But mostly only when it supports certain arguments. Gotcha. Carry on!

When did I ever say that last year didn't matter? I don't know where you got that from. The team has to prove they're different from last year before we consider them different from last year. I've been consistent with that all along.

You're making **** up that I didn't say.

[Ebenezer]

fine, maybe I exaggerated. But Winslow DID beat him and those plays were crucial in the outcome of those games. The weather isn't an excuse for winning or losing because both teams has to play in it, but it's ludicrous for you to claim that it had no effects on the passing statistics. In a normal game, 2 receptions for 28 yards is pedestrian. In that particular game, it was huge.

and you were not there to witness the weather...Buffalo had two guys who NEVER even seen snow like that in their lives let alone played football in it (TE and ML) and still only lost 8-0. Maybe if it were their second time playing in that they would have one...maybe one other play someplace in the game and those "huge" plays are nullified...can you just stop *****ing? You make a loss even worse. The way you are carrying on they should have lost 100-17.

[Dr. Lecter]

Giving up two passes to a TE is bad when you're only on one one one coverage with the TE for two plays a game. Maybe, just MAYBE, if Whitner occasionally made a stop in those situations, I wouldn't be so harsh on giving up two plays. But he doesn't.

You are assuming those are the only two plays he is covering the TE. Fact is on TV, one rarely sees the covered recievers. Hell, even at the game it is hard to follow.

If he covered the TE successfully 10 times, it would not be seen.

[OpIv37]

Why is one bad game by the Bills defense more important than 4 bad games by the Browns offense?

because the D was exposed and they know how to beat us now.

[Ebenezer]

huh? What makes you think they have to be the best team in Ohio to beat us? That makes no sense whatsoever.
It makes a ton of sense...their O is putrid right now...Ohio St. looks better...hell, Ohio U. looks better. Put down the damn shovel already.

[Dr. Lecter]

because the D was exposed and they know how to beat us now.

With what? They have no offense. You and I could stop them right now.

[OpIv37]

and you were not there to witness the weather...Buffalo had two guys who NEVER even seen snow like that in their lives let alone played football in it (TE and ML) and still only lost 8-0. Maybe if it were their second time playing in that they would have one...maybe one other play someplace in the game and those "huge" plays are nullified...can you just stop *****ing? You make a loss even worse. The way you are carrying on they should have lost 100-17.

there are no degrees of losses in the standings. "Only" losing by 8 is still losing.

If we were playing a better team, we probably would have lost 100-17. EVERY BIT of this so called "*****ing" is justified by how horrible the team looked yesterday.

[Ebenezer]

because the D was exposed and they know how to beat us now.
yup, every team is now going to switch to a 2-step quick in offense to exploit us...

isn't every team that loses exposed?? I guess every team that lost yesterday will go winless the rest of the year.

[Ebenezer]

there are no degrees of losses in the standings. "Only" losing by 8 is still losing.

If we were playing a better team, we probably would have lost 100-17. EVERY BIT of this so called "*****ing" is justified by how horrible the team looked yesterday.
a better team?? they are 3-2...you make it sound like it was their first win of the year.

[Ebenezer]

there are no degrees of losses in the standings. "Only" losing by 8 is still losing.

If we were playing a better team, we probably would have lost 100-17. EVERY BIT of this so called "*****ing" is justified by how horrible the team looked yesterday.
BTW, are you CEO yet?? Guess not...you're a loser---that's your logic.

[Mr. Pink]

Depends on if Trent stays healthy...this is clearly two different teams depending on which guy is behind center.

[BAM]

When did I ever say that last year didn't matter? I don't know where you got that from. The team has to prove they're different from last year before we consider them different from last year. I've been consistent with that all along.

You're making **** up that I didn't say.

I'm certainly not going to look back through all your posts to prove my point but I could swear I've seen you post that many times. Then again I could have you confused with someone else. It's happened a couple times lately. My bad if so.

[justasportsfan]

because the D was exposed and they know how to beat us now.
and we don't have tape on their crappy O?


yes, I'm betting on the bills to win vs. browns..:tap:

[OpIv37]

I'm certainly not going to look back through all your posts to prove my point but I could swear I've seen you post that many times. Then again I could have you confused with someone else. It's happened a couple times lately. My bad if so.

yeah I don't ever recall saying last year doesn't matter- in fact I recall saying the opposite on numerous occasions, so I think you may have me mixed up with someone else.

[OpIv37]

yup, every team is now going to switch to a 2-step quick in offense to exploit us...

isn't every team that loses exposed?? I guess every team that lost yesterday will go winless the rest of the year.

not necessarily- sometimes teams just lose to better teams. If Randy Moss outjumps a 5'10" CB for 3 touchdowns, that's not really being exposed. It's exploiting a mismatch.

Our D got trounced. We had ZERO answers for what they were doing. Granted, not every team has the talent at WR or experience at QB that the Cardinals do, but I guarantee that every team we play from here on out will at least try to run similar plays against this D. And if the team is even moderately proficient at it, it will work.

[LaBestia23]

Sun. 10/19 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS W 5-1
Sun. 10/26 @ Miami Dolphins L 5-2
Sun. 11/2 NEW YORK JETS W 6-2
Sun. 11/9 @ New England Patriots L 6-3
Mon. 11/17 CLEVELAND BROWNS W 7-3
Sun. 11/23 @ Kansas City Chiefs W 8-3
Sun. 11/30 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS W 9-3
Sun. 12/7 MIAMI DOLPHINS (Toronto) W 10-3
Sun. 12/14 @ New York Jets L 10-4
Sun. 12/21 @ Denver Broncos L 10-5
Sun. 12/28 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS W 11-5

[Mad Bomber]

Back on topic....

Sun. 10/19 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS W 5-1
Sun. 10/26 @ Miami Dolphins L 5-2
Sun. 11/2 NEW YORK JETS W 6-2
Sun. 11/9 @ New England Patriots L 6-3
Mon. 11/17 CLEVELAND BROWNS W 7 - 3
Sun. 11/23 @ Kansas City Chiefs W 8-3
Sun. 11/30 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS W 9-3
Sun. 12/7 MIAMI DOLPHINS (Toronto) W 10-3
Sun. 12/14 @ New York Jets L 10-4
Sun. 12/21 @ Denver Broncos L 10-5
Sun. 12/28 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS W 11-5

[Mad Bomber]

Sun. 10/19 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS W 5-1
Sun. 10/26 @ Miami Dolphins L 5-2
Sun. 11/2 NEW YORK JETS W 6-2
Sun. 11/9 @ New England Patriots L 6-3
Mon. 11/17 CLEVELAND BROWNS W 7-3
Sun. 11/23 @ Kansas City Chiefs W 8-3
Sun. 11/30 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS W 9-3
Sun. 12/7 MIAMI DOLPHINS (Toronto) W 10-3
Sun. 12/14 @ New York Jets L 10-4
Sun. 12/21 @ Denver Broncos L 10-5
Sun. 12/28 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS W 11-5
:hi5:

[BlackMetalNinja]

This entire thread is :rofl: funny...

Sun. 10/19 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS L 4-2
Sun. 10/26 @ Miami Dolphins W 5-2
Sun. 11/2 NEW YORK JETS W 6-2
Sun. 11/9 @ New England Patriots L 6-3
Mon. 11/17 CLEVELAND BROWNS W 7 - 3
Sun. 11/23 @ Kansas City Chiefs W 8-3
Sun. 11/30 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS W 9-3
Sun. 12/7 MIAMI DOLPHINS (Toronto) L 9-4
Sun. 12/14 @ New York Jets L 9-5
Sun. 12/21 @ Denver Broncos L 9-6
Sun. 12/28 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS W 10-6

[Dujek]

Sun. 10/19 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS W- 5-1
Sun. 10/26 @ Miami Dolphins L 5-2
Sun. 11/2 NEW YORK JETS W 6-2
Sun. 11/9 @ New England Patriots L 6-3
Mon. 11/17 CLEVELAND BROWNS W 7-3
Sun. 11/23 @ Kansas City Chiefs W 8-3
Sun. 11/30 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS W 9-3
Sun. 12/7 MIAMI DOLPHINS (Toronto) W 10-3
Sun. 12/14 @ New York Jets L 10-4
Sun. 12/21 @ Denver Broncos W 11-4
Sun. 12/28 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS W 12-4

[OpIv37]

it seems like a lot of you didn't watch the game yesterday, or the past 3 games for that matter.

[justasportsfan]

it seems like a lot of you didn't watch the game yesterday, or the past 3 games for that matter.
have you watched any Browns game? Take the bet.

[DrGraves]

8-8 miss the playoffs again.

[Dr. Lecter]

it seems like a lot of you didn't watch the game yesterday, or the past 3 games for that matter.

You emphasize the Bills weaknesses while ignoring that other teams have weaknesses too.

[OpIv37]

have you watched any Browns game? Take the bet.

what's the bet?

[justasportsfan]

what's the bet?
I told you already. 10,000 zb's. I pick the bills to beat the browns.

[justasportsfan]

You emphasize the Bills weaknesses while ignoring that other teams have weaknesses too.


he blasted the bills for having the 31st O in years past and now that they are better the browns are DEAD last yet he picks them to win? He's a bills hater.

[OpIv37]

You emphasize the Bills weaknesses while ignoring that other teams have weaknesses too.

What have you seen from the Bills that makes you think we can exploit another team's weaknesses? Warner has legendary turnover problems and we couldn't even get 1 out of him. Arizona's been giving up a ton of sacks and we couldn't even get one. St Louis is the worst team in the league and we couldn't even get a lead on them until the 4th quarter. Oakland has a one-dimensional offense and it took us to the last play of the game to beat them. We were able to take advantage of Seattle's lack of WR's, but since then, our opponents' weaknesses haven't hampered them much against us.

[OpIv37]

I told you already. 10,000 zb's. I pick the bills to beat the browns.

straight up, no spread?

If so, deal.

[justasportsfan]

straight up, no spread?

If so, deal.
done.

[Dr. Lecter]

What have you seen from the Bills that makes you think we can exploit another team's weaknesses? Warner has legendary turnover problems and we couldn't even get 1 out of him. Arizona's been giving up a ton of sacks and we couldn't even get one. St Louis is the worst team in the league and we couldn't even get a lead on them until the 4th quarter. Oakland has a one-dimensional offense and it took us to the last play of the game to beat them. We were able to take advantage of Seattle's lack of WR's, but since then, our opponents' weaknesses haven't hampered them much against us.

What have you seen from the Browns makes you think they can score points?

[TacklingDummy]

Pretty straight forward stuff, how are we going to do??

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(http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=6596)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row2 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>9/21</TD><TD class=table_row2>OAKLAND RAIDERS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>W 24-23 (http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=6630)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row1 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>9/28</TD><TD class=table_row1 noWrap>@ St. Louis Rams</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>W 31-14</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row1 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>10/5</TD><TD class=table_row1 noWrap>@ Arizona Cardinals</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>L 17-41 (http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=6721)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row2 align=left>BYE</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>10/12</TD><TD class=table_row2>BYE</TD><TD class=table_row2 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Patriotshttp://buffalobills.com/images/schedule/genplane.gif (http://www.jetblue.com/default.asp?source=Bills08)</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>1:00 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row2 align=left>Mon.</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>11/17</TD><TD class=table_row2>CLEVELAND BROWNS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>ESPN</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>8:30 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row1 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>11/23</TD><TD class=table_row1 noWrap>@ Kansas City Chiefs</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>1:00 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row2 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>11/30</TD><TD class=table_row2>SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>FOX</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>1:00 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row2 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>12/7</TD><TD class=table_row2>MIAMI DOLPHINS (Toronto)</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>4:05 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row1 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>12/14</TD><TD class=table_row1 noWrap>@ New York Jetshttp://buffalobills.com/images/schedule/genplane.gif (http://www.jetblue.com/default.asp?source=Bills08)</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>1:00 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row1 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>12/21</TD><TD class=table_row1 noWrap>@ Denver Broncoshttp://buffalobills.com/images/schedule/genplane.gif (http://www.jetblue.com/default.asp?source=Bills08)</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD class=table_row1 align=middle>4:05 PM</TD></TR><TR><TD class=table_row2 align=left>Sun.</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>12/28</TD><TD class=table_row2>NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS</TD><TD class=table_row2 align=middle>CBS</TD><TD 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0-11 JP Losman jinxed this team.

[justasportsfan]

What have you seen from the Browns makes you think they can score points?
the TE argument in 3..2...1

[OpIv37]

What have you seen from the Browns makes you think they can score points?

Against a good D? nothing

Against the Bills' D? Plenty. That offense has some firepower- I don't know why they're struggling so much this year. But they know the way to beat the Bills' D and they have the personnel to do it.

[Mitchy moo]

0-11 JP Losman jinxed this team.

LOL.

OP we're 4-1 for a reason, we outplayed 4 teams. I expect some close games & losses, you can't kill everyone you play.

[OpIv37]

LOL.

OP we're 4-1 for a reason, we outplayed 4 teams. I expect some close games & losses, you can't kill everyone you play.

Yeah, but you can play like crap and beat teams like Oakland and St Louis. But if you play like crap against a team that's middle-of-the-pack or better (like Arizona) you lose.

We can beat San Francisco and KC playing like we've been playing, but we sure as hell can't beat NE, SD, Denver, the Jets or maybe not even Miami.

[Night Train]

6-5 the rest of the way.

We finish 10-6 and grab a wildcard spot.

[Mitchy moo]

Yeah, but you can play like crap and beat teams like Oakland and St Louis. But if you play like crap against a team that's middle-of-the-pack or better (like Arizona) you lose.

We can beat San Francisco and KC playing like we've been playing, but we sure as hell can't beat NE, SD, Denver, the Jets or maybe not even Miami.

I agree with you but since Trent was not playing, I cannot say for sure how the AZ game would of turned out. We had the ball for like 23 minutes total and it was the first game that we did not win the time of possession battle. I attribute part of that to the lack of Trent playing and us thinkng the neutral zone was our to line up in.

We had way too many penalties, that in itself it not normal.

[Dr. Lecter]

Against a good D? nothing

Against the Bills' D? Plenty. That offense has some firepower- I don't know why they're struggling so much this year. But they know the way to beat the Bills' D and they have the personnel to do it.

They could not score against the Bengals defense. So I guess you are saying the Bengals have a good defense?

My God. The Bills were 7th in the NFL coming into this week. No doubt they **** the bed this week, but that does not make the first 4 weeks irrelevant.

And you have zero evidence of the last part. None. Nada. Nunca. Zip.

[LtFinFan66]

:popcorn:

[Ebenezer]

:popcorn:
pass the butter and cheese shaker...

[Mitchy moo]

pass the butter and cheese shaker...

Vinegar....

[Dr. Lecter]

Yeah, but you can play like crap and beat teams like Oakland and St Louis. But if you play like crap against a team that's middle-of-the-pack or better (like Arizona) you lose.

We can beat San Francisco and KC playing like we've been playing, but we sure as hell can't beat NE, SD, Denver, the Jets or maybe not even Miami.

How can the Bills beat KC but not Denver?

KC blew Denver out.

Therefore Denver is horrible. They lost to a bad team. They also should have lost two other games and won one on a bad call.

[Ebenezer]

How can the Bills beat KC but not Denver?

KC blew Denver out.

Therefore Denver is horrible. They lost to a bad team. They also should have lost two other games and won one on a bad call.
And clearly teams around the NFL are stupid...all HCs who face Denver and lose should be fired before they leave the field...KC exposed them - all teams have a blueprint right in front of them!! John Gruden - you're fired!

[OpIv37]

They could not score against the Bengals defense. So I guess you are saying the Bengals have a good defense?

My God. The Bills were 7th in the NFL coming into this week. No doubt they **** the bed this week, but that does not make the first 4 weeks irrelevant.

And you have zero evidence of the last part. None. Nada. Nunca. Zip.

Really? Go look at Cleveland's stats from last year. IT'S THE SAME DAMN PLAYERS!!! Go look at what they did to us in a friggin blizzard when we played them last year. They have the tools to beat this D, and you're just lying when you say there's no evidence of it.

[OpIv37]

How can the Bills beat KC but not Denver?

KC blew Denver out.

Therefore Denver is horrible. They lost to a bad team. They also should have lost two other games and won one on a bad call.

Denver had ONE bad game.

We had THREE bad games. You and Eb and a bunch of others are forgetting how bad the team looked because we managed to win those games. But it's looking more and more like the Bills team of yesterday is the real team and the wins were the flukes.

[Dr. Lecter]

Really? Go look at Cleveland's stats from last year. IT'S THE SAME DAMN PLAYERS!!! Go look at what they did to us in a friggin blizzard when we played them last year. They have the tools to beat this D, and you're just lying when you say there's no evidence of it.

Look at what they have done this year.

And while they did win the game, their offense hardly beat up on the Bills. And the game was in Cleveland. And the Bills defense is better than last year. And so is the offense.

So the comparison is not equal.

[VeggieMan14]

18-1 oe bust :rockon:

[Dr. Lecter]

Denver had ONE bad game.

We had THREE bad games. You and Eb and a bunch of others are forgetting how bad the team looked because we managed to win those games. But it's looking more and more like the Bills team of yesterday is the real team and the wins were the flukes.

Of course. The wins are flukes and losses the truth.

My point is Denver played more than one bad game. They should have lost to SD. And they have no defense. You use one evaluation for the Bills and another for other teams.

You are the extreme opposite of the homers who had the Bills at 14-2 after last week. It like seeing Cheney fight it out with Pelosi - two extremes that can't see how far out they are.

[Ebenezer]

I'd like seeing Cheney fight it out with Pelosi

naked of course, right? :D

[Dr. Lecter]

naked of course, right? :D

:puke:

[ServoBillieves]

Sun. 10/19 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS L 4-2
Sun. 10/26 @ Miami Dolphins W 5-2
Sun. 11/2 NEW YORK JETS W 6-2
Sun. 11/9 @ New England Patriots* L 6-3
Mon. 11/17 CLEVELAND BROWNS W 7-3
Sun. 11/23 @ Kansas City Chiefs W 8-3
Sun. 11/30 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS W 9-3
Sun. 12/7 MIAMI DOLPHINS (Toronto) W 10-3
Sun. 12/14 @ New York Jets L 10-4
Sun. 12/21 @ Denver Broncos L 10-5
Sun. 12/28 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS* W 11-5

I don't see the Dolphins beating us, I'll give the Jets one at home, and with the playoffs on the line, a heavy beating on the Patsies*.

[OpIv37]

Of course. The wins are flukes and losses the truth.

My point is Denver played more than one bad game. They should have lost to SD. And they have no defense. You use one evaluation for the Bills and another for other teams.

You are the extreme opposite of the homers who had the Bills at 14-2 after last week. It like seeing Cheney fight it out with Pelosi - two extremes that can't see how far out they are.

Denver played a bad game and barely beat SAN DIEGO.

We played two bad games and barely beat OAKLAND AND ST. LOUIS.

That's not another method of evaluation- it's different circumstances. But you refuse to see it. We barely beat a bunch of bad/injuried teams and lose to the only moderately healthy, decent team we've played so far. This team is not as good as their 4-1 indicates, and we have 5 rough games coming up.

[Dr. Lecter]

I understand that.

They are not the horrible, horrendous no hope team you are making them out to be.

Your reaction right now is more along the lines of a 1-4 team

How would have you reacted had I told you in early Septembet that the Bills would be 4-1 heading in the bye?

Would have you been livid, upset and angry beyond beleif?

Do you see no positives on this team?

[OpIv37]

I understand that.

They are not the horrible, horrendous no hope team you are making them out to be.

Your reaction right now is more along the lines of a 1-4 team

How would have you reacted had I told you in early Septembet that the Bills would be 4-1 heading in the bye?

Would have you been livid, upset and angry beyond beleif?

Do you see no positives on this team?

Positives over last year? Sure.

Positives that make us good enough to compete with the elite teams in this league? No.

[Mitchy moo]

Positives over last year? Sure.

Positives that make us good enough to compete with the elite teams in this league? No.

Elite teams lose & have problems you know. Dallas is loaded for bear but lost a game but why?? It's pretty simple, they ran into a team that executed a few extra plays better and gave them a L. T.O. snapped & said 30% of all the plays executed we're to him but he needs more.

So the difference between our team & their team is.... We lose as a team, Dallas guys point fingers at themselves. Which will allow a NFL team to go farther??

Losses build character, how you overcome them builds championships.

[LtFinFan66]

Elite teams lose & have problems you know. Dallas is loaded for bear but lost a game but why?? It's pretty simple, they ran into a team that executed a few extra plays better and gave them a L. T.O. snapped & said 30% of all the plays executed we're to him but he needs more.

So the difference between our team & their team is.... We lose as a team, Dallas guys point fingers at themselves. Which will allow a NFL team to go farther??

Losses build character, how you overcome them builds championships.T.O. points fingers.....not Dallas

[Mitchy moo]

T.O. points fingers.....not DallasT.O. is part of the team, he points fingers and negative things spread.

[OpIv37]

Elite teams lose & have problems you know. Dallas is loaded for bear but lost a game but why?? It's pretty simple, they ran into a team that executed a few extra plays better and gave them a L. T.O. snapped & said 30% of all the plays executed we're to him but he needs more.

So the difference between our team & their team is.... We lose as a team, Dallas guys point fingers at themselves. Which will allow a NFL team to go farther??

Losses build character, how you overcome them builds championships.

They'll go farther because they have more talent.

All other things being equal, playing as a team will get you farther than finger-pointing. But all other things aren't equal.

[Mitchy moo]

They'll go farther because they have more talent.

All other things being equal, playing as a team will get you farther than finger-pointing. But all other things aren't equal.

The Bickering Bills had all the talent at the time as well, it got us load of Dogcrap at the end of it. The Giants played as a team, guided by a brilliant man to one goal. If the Bills played that same superbowl 25 game 10 times against the Giants, we would win 7 or 8 of those games.

That's what you haven't realized yet, all other things aren't equal in the league as a week in week out scenarios play out. One injury here, your QB getting KO'd withing minutes of starting a game makes a dedicated plan to be executed now toilet paper. Think the Bills could afford to keep their defense on the field for ~37 minutes of any game?? Name a team that could be on defense that long and not get killed, you'll be hard pressed to find more than a couple.

Just because one team does well against another, it does not lessen the losing teams ability to beat a different team that looks superior. One thing I have seen this season is the teams that look like mortal locks for victory are finding themselves scrambling to win it at the end. The colts score a bunch in the final minutes, think they normally don't smoke the Texans quickly all day??

Take out the we played badly this sunday equation and look at all 5 games. We did great things to win those game and lost our leader right out of the gate yesterday. JP hands the ball to the cards and we get down early, we had to chance all day long and never lead during the game. Every play was called to have to compensate for us being down and we fell deeper and deeper into the hole. When Trent left the field, so did our chances of winning,

[RedEyE]

Splits with all teams within the division.

Sun. 10/19 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS L- 4-2
Sun. 10/26 @ Miami Dolphins W 5-2
Sun. 11/2 NEW YORK JETS W 6-2
Sun. 11/9 @ New England Patriots L 6-3
Mon. 11/17 CLEVELAND BROWNS W 7-3
Sun. 11/23 @ Kansas City Chiefs W 8-3
Sun. 11/30 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS W 9-3
Sun. 12/7 MIAMI DOLPHINS (Toronto) L 9-4
Sun. 12/14 @ New York Jets L 9-5
Sun. 12/21 @ Denver Broncos L 9-6
Sun. 12/28 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS W 10-6

[Dujek]

it seems like a lot of you didn't watch the game yesterday, or the past 3 games for that matter.

Seems that you haven't been watching the performances of some of the teams the Bills still have to play. Calling them awful would be being kind to San Diego on Sunday, the Browns are right down there with the worst teams in the league at the moment as are the Chiefs and the 49ers are very, very beatable. The Bills should at least split with every team in the AFC East. If that happens then the only variable is the Broncos game, and I say that's a coin toss at the moment. 11-5 or 12-4 are very plausible given the crappy teams the Bills get to play.

I'm not saying that the Bills are a traditional 12-4 "powerhouse" team, far from it, but they get to play a lot of mediocre teams and could easily get to 12-4 simply based on beating up on them.

[OpIv37]

Seems that you haven't been watching the performances of some of the teams the Bills still have to play. Calling them awful would be being kind to San Diego on Sunday, the Browns are right down there with the worst teams in the league at the moment as are the Chiefs and the 49ers are very, very beatable. The Bills should at least split with every team in the AFC East. If that happens then the only variable is the Broncos game, and I say that's a coin toss at the moment. 11-5 or 12-4 are very plausible given the crappy teams the Bills get to play.

I'm not saying that the Bills are a traditional 12-4 "powerhouse" team, far from it, but they get to play a lot of mediocre teams and could easily get to 12-4 simply based on beating up on them.

Based on how we played yesterday, you STILL think we can split with every team in the AFCE? Did you see how we tackled the last 3 weeks? The Chargers have Sproles and Tomlinson- they may look bad against teams that can tackle, but we can't.

Think about this: how did Arizona look against the Jets two Sundays ago? How did they look against us? What about St. Louis? They got blown out in their first 3 games, but still managed to hold a lead on us until the 4th quarter. Mediocre teams haven't looked so mediocre against the Bills this year.

[justasportsfan]

Based on how we played yesterday, you STILL think we can split with every team in the AFCE? .


Think about this: how did Arizona look against the Jets two Sundays ago? How did they look against us? What about St. Louis? They got blown out in their first 3 games, but still managed to hold a lead on us until the 4th quarter. Mediocre teams haven't looked so mediocre against the Bills this year.based on how the browns palyed the entire season, they can't beat us. You picking the browns to beat the bills trumps any logic you have trying to bash the bills.

You pick apart the negatives of this team and then look away at the browns last place O and then revert to their O last year . :rolleyes:

[Dujek]

Arizona looked like a team who would have won handily if Warner hadn't turned the ball over 5 times in a crazy 2nd quarter against the Jets, and I said that at the time as well. San Diego are finding a way to lose in almost every game.

And by the end of the game the Bills were a mile clear of St Louis. You play the game over 4 quarters, remember?

[OpIv37]

based on how the browns palyed the entire season, they can't beat us. You picking the browns to beat the bills trumps any logic you have trying to bash the bills.

You pick apart the negatives of this team and then look away at the browns last place O and then revert to their O last year . :rolleyes:

Based on how St. Louis has played this season, you wouldn't think they could beat us. But they hung in there for 3 quarters. Again, bad teams don't look so bad against the Bills. Other teams negatives haven't been so negative when they play the Bills. But, go ahead and put your head in the sand and just ignore that fact.

[OpIv37]

Arizona looked like a team who would have won handily if Warner hadn't turned the ball over 5 times in a crazy 2nd quarter against the Jets, and I said that at the time as well. San Diego are finding a way to lose in almost every game.

And by the end of the game the Bills were a mile clear of St Louis. You play the game over 4 quarters, remember?

3 quarters of crap and one quarter of solid play will beat St. Louis.

It won't beat Arizona, San Diego, New England, Denver, the Jets.... it probably won't even beat the Dolphins or the Browns.

[justasportsfan]

Based on how St. Louis has played this season, you wouldn't think they could beat us. But they hung in there for 3 quarters. Again, bad teams don't look so bad against the Bills. Other teams negatives haven't been so negative when they play the Bills. But, go ahead and put your head in the sand and just ignore that fact. Looking at the bills last season, you would think we couldn't go 4-1 by the bye week .Ignore that fact.

In your world ,nothing good can happen to the bills after 1 offseason and yet in your world teams like the browns can just easily get better overnight and beat us? :rolleyes: Youre self contradictory.

I am almost sure your post count after a loss whining about the bills has exceeded your post during the 4-0 run.

[Dr. Lecter]

So, do you have ANY happiness over being 4-1? Any? Just a tiny little bit? A simdge?

[Mitchy moo]

Based on how St. Louis has played this season, you wouldn't think they could beat us. But they hung in there for 3 quarters. Again, bad teams don't look so bad against the Bills. Other teams negatives haven't been so negative when they play the Bills. But, go ahead and put your head in the sand and just ignore that fact.

The Ravens we're aweful last season and played NE down to the last seconds but I suppose that examples of great teams having difficulties against weak one's won't matter. You are micro-focused only on our weaknesses but do not have enough information about our opponents weaknesses. There are things that other teams try to exploit every Sunday & how well they execute it can help determine the outcome of the game.

Personally speaking you taking the Browns as a Bills loss straight up basically tells me that you have no clue. The Browns make the Bills look like the best team in the league if you are only dialing in those 2 teams.

[OpIv37]

So, do you have ANY happiness over being 4-1? Any? Just a tiny little bit? A simdge?

If you take it in a little box and say "we're 4-1" , of course that's a good thing.

If you look at the bigger picture, it's hard to be excited about it because it's not going to last. Despite being 4-1, we're only a half game ahead of NE, and the next 5 games are MUCH more difficult than the last 5.

[OpIv37]

The Ravens we're aweful last season and played NE down to the last seconds but I suppose that examples of great teams having difficulties against weak one's won't matter. You are micro-focused only on our weaknesses but do not have enough information about our opponents weaknesses. There are things that other teams try to exploit every Sunday & how well they execute it can help determine the outcome of the game.

Personally speaking you taking the Browns as a Bills loss straight up basically tells me that you have no clue. The Browns make the Bills look like the best team in the league if you are only dialing in those 2 teams.

Great teams don't struggle against every weak team they've played.

We did.

Great teams don't get blown out by middle of the pack teams.

We did.

In the games we've played so far, our opponents weaknesses haven't been weaknesses. Arizona was giving up sacks and turnovers like crazy, yet we couldn't even cause one. You assume that the Bills can take advantage of an opponent's weakness, when so far they haven't been able to do that.

[Mitchy moo]

Great teams don't struggle against every weak team they've played.

We did.

Great teams don't get blown out by middle of the pack teams.

We did.

In the games we've played so far, our opponents weaknesses haven't been weaknesses. Arizona was giving up sacks and turnovers like crazy, yet we couldn't even cause one. You assume that the Bills can take advantage of an opponent's weakness, when so far they haven't been able to do that.

We won 2 games by more than 2 TD's, so I have no idea why you are assuming every scoring drive has to be split up in different quarters and not just at the end or the beginning of the game. If you look at all the box scores from any given week you'll see mixed up results of scoring alot early or anywhere during the game, the key is still scoring. The Bills had a substantial lead at the half against the Seahawks and rested most of the starters in the 4th quarter, like Lynch. Mind you they we're a weaker opponent that day but it was the most complete game I have seen in a while. I have no idea what makes you think they will not repeat that or some version close thereof in the near future, besides your own personal fears.

[OpIv37]

We won 2 games by more than 2 TD's, so I have no idea why you are assuming every score drive has to be split up in different quarters and not just at the end or the beginning of the game. If you look at all the box scores from any given week you'll see mixed up results of scoring alot early or anywhere during the game, the key is still scoring. The Bills had a substantial lead at the half against the Seahawks and rested most of the starters in the 4th quarter, like Lynch. Mind you they we're a weaker opponent that day but it was the most complete game I have seen in a while. I have no idea what makes you think they will not repeat that or some version close thereof in the near future, besides your own personal fears.

Because 3 bad quarters and 1 good one will beat St. Louis. But if we play 3 bad quarters against SD or NE or Denver, the game will be long over before we get to that good quarter (see the Arizona game).

Seattle is the only complete game we've played so far, and we're going to have to play complete games to beat most of the teams still on our schedule.

[Mitchy moo]

If you take it in a little box and say "we're 4-1" , of course that's a good thing.

If you look at the bigger picture, it's hard to be excited about it because it's not going to last. Despite being 4-1, we're only a half game ahead of NE, and the next 5 games are MUCH more difficult than the last 5.

Young teams like ours have to learn to win. Somedays we'll look like the greatest team and other days we'll get smoked.

I remember watching that monday night game @ KC and thinking KC is going to get killed, we lost by 27 points and it was the polar opposite of what I expected. Look what happened right after that, we kept on rolling to a 10-1 record. I know you'll say that the 1991 team was very talented but that's after looking back at it. You cannot say how good a team is until you're well into a season and after it's all over.

If you told me that the Giants we're going to win the SB at any point before week 12 last season, I would of bet the house on it not happening. Plan on good things happening and the Bills figuring out their weaknesses now to build strength for later, that what good coaching will get you.


Team Games & Schedule

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<TABLE class="sortable stats_table small_text" id=team_gamelogs><THEAD><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TH class=" over_header" align=middle colSpan=8></TH><TH class=" over_header" align=middle colSpan=2>Score</TH><TH class=" over_header" align=middle colSpan=5>Offense</TH><TH class=" over_header" align=middle colSpan=5>Defense</TH></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TH class=" sort_default_asc" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="0">Week</TH><TH class="" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="1"></TH><TH class=" sort_default_asc" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="2">Date</TH><TH class=" sort_default_asc" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="3"></TH><TH class="" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="4"></TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Team\'s record following this game')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="5">Rec</TH><TH class=" sort_default_asc" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="6"></TH><TH class=" sort_default_asc" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="7">Opp</TH><TH class="" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="8">Tm</TH><TH class="" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="9">Opp</TH><TH class="" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="10">1stD</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Total Yards Gained on Offense')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="11">TotYd</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Total Yards Gained by Passing (includes lost sack yardage)')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="12">PassY</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Total Yards Gained by Rushing')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="13">RushY</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Team Turnovers Lost')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="14">TO</TH><TH class="" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="15">1stD</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Total Yards Allowed by Defense')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="16">TotYd</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Total Passing Yards Allowed by Defense
(includes lost sack yardage)')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="17">PassY</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Total Rushing Yards Allowed by Defense')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="18">RushY</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Turnovers Gained by Defense')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="19">TO</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-09-01">September 1</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199109010buf.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>1-0</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>Miami Dolphins (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>35</TD><TD align=right>31</TD><TD align=right>33</TD><TD align=right>582</TD><TD align=right>397</TD><TD align=right>185</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>23</TD><TD align=right>396</TD><TD align=right>250</TD><TD align=right>146</TD><TD align=right>1</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-09-08">September 8</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199109080buf.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>2-0</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>52</TD><TD align=right>34</TD><TD align=right>31</TD><TD align=right>537</TD><TD align=right>343</TD><TD align=right>194</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right>265</TD><TD align=right>113</TD><TD align=right>152</TD><TD align=right>1</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="3">3</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-09-15">September 15</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199109150nyj.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>3-0</TD><TD align=right>@</TD><TD align=left>New York Jets (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>23</TD><TD align=right>20</TD><TD align=right>22</TD><TD align=right>304</TD><TD align=right>240</TD><TD align=right>64</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>25</TD><TD align=right>388</TD><TD align=right>220</TD><TD align=right>168</TD><TD align=right>2</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="4">4</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-09-22">September 22</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199109220tam.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>4-0</TD><TD align=right>@</TD><TD align=left>Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>17</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>421</TD><TD align=right>301</TD><TD align=right>120</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>22</TD><TD align=right>303</TD><TD align=right>165</TD><TD align=right>138</TD><TD align=right>1</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="5">5</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-09-29">September 29</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199109290buf.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>5-0</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>35</TD><TD align=right>20</TD><TD align=right>22</TD><TD align=right>422</TD><TD align=right>280</TD><TD align=right>142</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>20</TD><TD align=right>353</TD><TD align=right>269</TD><TD align=right>84</TD><TD align=right>1</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="6">6</TD><TD>Mon</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-10-07">October 7</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199110070kan.htm)</TD><TD align=right>L</TD><TD align=middle>5-1</TD><TD align=right>@</TD><TD align=left>Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>33</TD><TD align=right>11</TD><TD align=right>211</TD><TD align=right>146</TD><TD align=right>65</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>26</TD><TD align=right>389</TD><TD align=right>150</TD><TD align=right>239</TD><TD align=right>2</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="7">7</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-10-13">October 13</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199110130buf.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>6-1</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>Indianapolis Colts (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>42</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>23</TD><TD align=right>396</TD><TD align=right>120</TD><TD align=right>276</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>20</TD><TD align=right>240</TD><TD align=right>174</TD><TD align=right>66</TD><TD align=right>3</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="8">8</TD><TD>Mon</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-10-21">October 21</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199110210buf.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>7-1</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>Cincinnati Bengals (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cin/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>35</TD><TD align=right>16</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>487</TD><TD align=right>392</TD><TD align=right>95</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>24</TD><TD align=right>411</TD><TD align=right>224</TD><TD align=right>187</TD><TD align=right>2</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="8.8">9</TD><TD></TD><TD align=left></TD><TD align=middle></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=middle></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>Bye Week</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="9">10</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-11-03">November 3</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199111030buf.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>8-1</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>New England Patriots (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>22</TD><TD align=right>17</TD><TD align=right>20</TD><TD align=right>388</TD><TD align=right>235</TD><TD align=right>153</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>17</TD><TD align=right>265</TD><TD align=right>143</TD><TD align=right>122</TD><TD align=right>3</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="10">11</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-11-10">November 10</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199111100gnb.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>9-1</TD><TD align=right>@</TD><TD align=left>Green Bay Packers (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>34</TD><TD align=right>24</TD><TD align=right>27</TD><TD align=right>370</TD><TD align=right>223</TD><TD align=right>147</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right>23</TD><TD align=right>381</TD><TD align=right>297</TD><TD align=right>84</TD><TD align=right>2</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="11">12</TD><TD>Mon</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-11-18">November 18</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199111180mia.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>10-1</TD><TD align=right>@</TD><TD align=left>Miami Dolphins (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>41</TD><TD align=right>27</TD><TD align=right>27</TD><TD align=right>433</TD><TD align=right>171</TD><TD align=right>262</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right>25</TD><TD align=right>392</TD><TD align=right>317</TD><TD align=right>75</TD><TD align=right>5</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="12">13</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-11-24">November 24</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199111240nwe.htm)</TD><TD align=right>L</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD><TD align=right>@</TD><TD align=left>New England Patriots (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>13</TD><TD align=right>16</TD><TD align=right>20</TD><TD align=right>308</TD><TD align=right>168</TD><TD align=right>140</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>18</TD><TD align=right>312</TD><TD align=right>230</TD><TD align=right>82</TD><TD align=right>2</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="13">14</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-12-01">December 1</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199112010buf.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>11-2</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>New York Jets (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>24</TD><TD align=right>13</TD><TD align=right>24</TD><TD align=right>394</TD><TD align=right>242</TD><TD align=right>152</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>20</TD><TD align=right>293</TD><TD align=right>172</TD><TD align=right>121</TD><TD align=right>3</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="14">15</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-12-08">December 8</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199112080rai.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>12-2</TD><TD align=right>@</TD><TD align=left>Los Angeles Raiders (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>30</TD><TD align=right>27</TD><TD align=right>25</TD><TD align=right>409</TD><TD align=right>330</TD><TD align=right>79</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>18</TD><TD align=right>386</TD><TD align=right>250</TD><TD align=right>136</TD><TD align=right>3</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="15">16</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-12-15">December 15</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199112150clt.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>13-2</TD><TD align=right>@</TD><TD align=left>Indianapolis Colts (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>35</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>22</TD><TD align=right>315</TD><TD align=right>159</TD><TD align=right>156</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right>18</TD><TD align=right>328</TD><TD align=right>195</TD><TD align=right>133</TD><TD align=right>3</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="16">17</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1991-12-22">December 22</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199112220buf.htm)</TD><TD align=right>L</TD><TD align=middle>13-3</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>Detroit Lions (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right>17</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right>275</TD><TD align=right>124</TD><TD align=right>151</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>22</TD><TD align=right>356</TD><TD align=right>245</TD><TD align=right>111</TD><TD align=right>3</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="16.5"></TD><TD></TD><TD align=left>Playoffs</TD><TD align=middle></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=middle></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="17">Division</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1992-01-05">January 5</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199201050buf.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>14-3</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>37</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="18">ConfChamp</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1992-01-12">January 12</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199201120buf.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>15-3</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>Denver Broncos (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="19">SuperBowl</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="1992-01-26">January 26</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199201260buf.htm)</TD><TD align=right>L</TD><TD align=middle>15-4</TD><TD align=right>N</TD><TD align=left>Washington Redskins (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/1991.htm)</TD><TD align=right>24</TD><TD align=right>37</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD></TR></TBODY><TFOOT></TFOOT></TABLE>

[Mitchy moo]

Because 3 bad quarters and 1 good one will beat St. Louis. But if we play 3 bad quarters against SD or NE or Denver, the game will be long over before we get to that good quarter (see the Arizona game).

Seattle is the only complete game we've played so far, and we're going to have to play complete games to beat most of the teams still on our schedule.

I just watched SD play 3 bad quarters in nearly every game they played, so what makes us any different?? Denver is giving up a 105 QB rating to all the teams they have played so far, do you think we lose if Trent has that type of QB rating?? NE looked real old against Miami and didn't exactly set the house on fire versus San Fran, they also play the Chargers & Broncos next so we'll see how they look there as well.

I do agree with playing a more complete game, that is a given. I also agree with playing with fire at the end and pressing for the wins because in the NFL , a majority of the games are won by those scoring at the end.

[Mitchy moo]

Here is a look at our current division, even without our blowout loss this weekend and a extra game played, we have scored more points for than against.


<TABLE class=tablehead cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3><TBODY><TR class=colhead align=right><TD align=left>AFC EAST</TD><TD width="7%">W</TD><TD width="7%">L</TD><TD width="5%">T</TD><TD width="8%">PCT</TD><TD width="8%">PF</TD><TD width="8%">PA</TD><TD width="10%">STRK</TD><TD width="8%">DIV</TD><TD width="8%">CONF</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Buffalo (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=buf)</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.800</TD><TD>126</TD><TD>104</TD><TD>Lost 1</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>2-0</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>New England (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nwe)</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.750</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>Won 1</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>2-1</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Miami (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=mia)</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.500</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>Won 2</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>2-1</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>NY Jets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyj)</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.500</TD><TD>115</TD><TD>116</TD><TD>Won 1</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>1-2</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

We also have score the 3rd most points in the conference, which is in stark contrast to last season.

<TABLE class=tablehead cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3><TBODY><TR class=stathead><TD colSpan=13>2008 American Football Conference</TD></TR><TR class=colhead align=right><TD align=left>AFC EAST</TD><TD width="7%">W</TD><TD width="7%">L</TD><TD width="5%">T</TD><TD width="8%">PCT</TD><TD width="8%">PF</TD><TD width="8%">PA</TD><TD width="10%">STRK</TD><TD width="8%">DIV</TD><TD width="8%">CONF</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Buffalo (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=buf)</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.800</TD><TD>126</TD><TD>104</TD><TD>Lost 1</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>2-0</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>New England (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nwe)</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.750</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>Won 1</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>2-1</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Miami (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=mia)</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.500</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>Won 2</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>2-1</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>NY Jets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyj)</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.500</TD><TD>115</TD><TD>116</TD><TD>Won 1</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>1-2</TD></TR><TR class=colhead align=right><TD align=left>AFC NORTH</TD><TD width="7%">W</TD><TD width="7%">L</TD><TD width="5%">T</TD><TD width="8%">PCT</TD><TD width="8%">PF</TD><TD width="8%">PA</TD><TD width="10%">STRK</TD><TD width="8%">DIV</TD><TD width="8%">CONF</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Pittsburgh (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=pit)</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.800</TD><TD>103</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>Won 2</TD><TD>2-0</TD><TD>4-0</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>Baltimore (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=bal)</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.500</TD><TD>75</TD><TD>56</TD><TD>Lost 2</TD><TD>2-1</TD><TD>2-2</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Cleveland (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=cle)</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.250</TD><TD>46</TD><TD>78</TD><TD>Won 1</TD><TD>1-2</TD><TD>1-2</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>Cincinnati (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=cin)</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>118</TD><TD>Lost 5</TD><TD>0-2</TD><TD>0-3</TD></TR><TR class=colhead align=right><TD align=left>AFC SOUTH</TD><TD width="7%">W</TD><TD width="7%">L</TD><TD width="5%">T</TD><TD width="8%">PCT</TD><TD width="8%">PF</TD><TD width="8%">PA</TD><TD width="10%">STRK</TD><TD width="8%">DIV</TD><TD width="8%">CONF</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Tennessee (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=ten)</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1.000</TD><TD>115</TD><TD>56</TD><TD>Won 5</TD><TD>2-0</TD><TD>4-0</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>Indianapolis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=ind)</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.500</TD><TD>83</TD><TD>94</TD><TD>Won 1</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>1-1</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Jacksonville (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=jac)</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.400</TD><TD>100</TD><TD>111</TD><TD>Lost 1</TD><TD>2-1</TD><TD>2-3</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>Houston (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=hou)</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>83</TD><TD>130</TD><TD>Lost 4</TD><TD>0-3</TD><TD>0-4</TD></TR><TR class=colhead align=right><TD align=left>AFC WEST</TD><TD width="7%">W</TD><TD width="7%">L</TD><TD width="5%">T</TD><TD width="8%">PCT</TD><TD width="8%">PF</TD><TD width="8%">PA</TD><TD width="10%">STRK</TD><TD width="8%">DIV</TD><TD width="8%">CONF</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Denver (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den)</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.800</TD><TD>149</TD><TD>130</TD><TD>Won 1</TD><TD>2-1</TD><TD>2-1</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>San Diego (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sdg)</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.400</TD><TD>148</TD><TD>129</TD><TD>Lost 1</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>2-2</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Oakland (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=oak)</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.250</TD><TD>78</TD><TD>101</TD><TD>Lost 2</TD><TD>1-2</TD><TD>1-3</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>Kansas City (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=kan)</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.200</TD><TD>65</TD><TD>131</TD><TD>Lost 1</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>1-2</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[OpIv37]

I just watched SD play 3 bad quarters in nearly every game they played, so what makes us any different?? Denver is giving up a 105 QB rating to all the teams they have played so far, do you think we lose if Trent has that type of QB rating?? NE looked real old against Miami and didn't exactly set the house on fire versus San Fran, they also play the Chargers & Broncos next so we'll see how they look there as well.

I do agree with playing a more complete game, that is a given. I also agree with playing with fire at the end and pressing for the wins because in the NFL , a majority of the games are won by those scoring at the end.

If our D plays like it did yesterday against Denver, it won't matter if Trent has a perfect QB rating. It won't be enough.

SD is like us- they lose to teams like Miami because they can't play a complete game.

NE plays the same style of offense that Arizona uses, only they're better at it. It's a nightmare matchup for us.

[Mitchy moo]

If our D plays like it did yesterday against Denver, it won't matter if Trent has a perfect QB rating. It won't be enough.

SD is like us- they lose to teams like Miami because they can't play a complete game.

NE plays the same style of offense that Arizona uses, only they're better at it. It's a nightmare matchup for us.


I agree about the D but the Time of possession would change drastically in our favor and keep the Denver offense off the field.

SD is 2-3, therefore they didn't find a way to put it together at some point during the game like we did. Please stop trying to compare teams below .500 to teams at .800 and acting like they are equal in the standings, you're embarrassing to yourself.

NE has a Mr. Hyde side that has popped up this season, no Brady and the offense can sputter. They have scored 79 points in 4 games thus far so using that same formula they should have ~99 points after their 5th game. We have 126 points after our 5th game, see the difference??

[OpIv37]

I agree about the D but the Time of possession would change drastically in our favor and keep the Denver offense off the field.

SD is 2-3, therefore they didn't find a way to put it together at some point during the game like we did. Please stop trying to compare teams below .500 to teams at .800 and acting like they are equal in the standings, you're embarrassing to yourself.

NE has a Mr. Hyde side that has popped up this season, no Brady and the offense can sputter. They have scored 79 points in 4 games thus far so using that same formula they should have ~99 points after their 5th game. We have 126 points after our 5th game, see the difference??

No one said they were equal in the standings. Obviously they're not.

But sometimes the standings don't tell the whole story. We beat some crappy teams and didn't look very good doing it. The Eagles are 2-3. Do you honestly think we could beat them? I don't.

I really think Cassell's gonna look like Brady against our D.

[Mitchy moo]

I really think Cassell's gonna look like Brady against our D.

Based on his play against Miami, I think not. I think NE has major issues beyond just QB and the defense looks real vunerable. Miami wasn't exactly a powerhouse of offense last season and they really smoked NE in that game.

[Mitchy moo]

The Eagles are 2-3. Do you honestly think we could beat them? I don't.



Depending on where it's played and our health, yes I do. I really haven't seen any team except the Giants that are clicking in all aspects of the game.

The Bills have owned the 4th quarter of all the games they have played but their last, so in general we are playing timely football. Timely being the key word which alludes some here. Timely football wins you games in many cases, especially at the end of the game.

[LtFinFan66]

Based on his play against Miami, I think not. I think NE has major issues beyond just QB and the defense looks real vunerable. Miami wasn't exactly a powerhouse of offense last season and they really smoked NE in that game.this isn't last year

[Mitchy moo]

this isn't last year

Yeah, the Bills are actually scoring about 26 points a game. Add like a extra 8 points to each of our games last year and see what our record would be then, you'll be suprised.

[Dr. Lecter]

I really think Cassell's gonna look like Brady against our D.

Based on what?

One bad game by the defense? Why does the Bills defense get skewered for one bad game? Do the previous 4 weeks mean nothing? The 20% 3rd down conversion rate means nothing?

You are taking the Bills season and using one game to evaluate them while ignoring the first four. Their defense was outstanding for 4 games. It was horrible for one game.

They are still 10th in the NFL in yards allowed. 12th in points allowed per game. 2nd in 3rd down % allowed. 9th in passing yards per game.

And Cassell will carve them up? Give me a break. You tear others apart for not having a basis for opinions. Look at you own opinions first.

[OpIv37]

Based on what?

One bad game by the defense? Why does the Bills defense get skewered for one bad game? Do the previous 4 weeks mean nothing? The 20% 3rd down conversion rate means nothing?

You are taking the Bills season and using one game to evaluate them while ignoring the first four. Their defense was outstanding for 4 games. It was horrible for one game.

They are still 10th in the NFL in yards allowed. 12th in points allowed per game. 2nd in 3rd down % allowed. 9th in passing yards per game.

And Cassell will carve them up? Give me a break. You tear others apart for not having a basis for opinions. Look at you own opinions first.

What offensive teams did we play in the first 5 games? Just Arizona and they killed us.

Oakland and Jax are running teams. Seattle is a passing team but had all kinds of injury issues. St. Louis just sucks. We only played one strong passing offense so far and got our asses handed to us.

That's sufficient basis right there.

[Dr. Lecter]

And NE is a strong passing team?

Rankings:

Oak - 29th
Rams - 26th
Jax 23rd
Cardinals - 3rd
Seattle -28th
NE - 21st

They are much closer to Jacksonville than they are Arizona. (less than 10 yards per game more)

So why will Cassell "look like Brady"?

[Mitchy moo]

What offensive teams did we play in the first 5 games? Just Arizona and they killed us.

Oakland and Jax are running teams. Seattle is a passing team but had all kinds of injury issues. St. Louis just sucks. We only played one strong passing offense so far and got our asses handed to us.

That's sufficient basis right there.


We had some injury issues on D and our back-up in, so up until this game that changed as well.

[OpIv37]

And NE is a strong passing team?

Rankings:

Oak - 29th
Rams - 26th
Jax 23rd
Cardinals - 3rd
Seattle -28th
NE - 21st

They are much closer to Jacksonville than they are Arizona. (less than 10 yards per game more)

So why will Cassell "look like Brady"?

Because NE's receivers are that good and because our D has no answer for good receivers or that style of offense. You're looking at pure numbers and not the type of game they play. You're comparing NE to the 4 teams we beat when the only team we play that uses the same style of offense is the one that beat us.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Nice to see that Op has reverted back off the bangwagon after jumping on so hard. Glad to have things back in order with the world.

[Dr. Lecter]

Because NE's receivers are that good and because our D has no answer for good receivers or that style of offense. You're looking at pure numbers and not the type of game they play. You're comparing NE to the 4 teams we beat when the only team we play that uses the same style of offense is the one that beat us.

They don't have a QB who can play well enough though.

[ScottLawrence]

Sun. 10/19 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS L 4-2
Sun. 10/26 @ Miami Dolphins W 5-2
Sun. 11/2 NEW YORK JETS W 6-2
Sun. 11/9 @ New England Patriots L 6-3
Mon. 11/17 CLEVELAND BROWNS W 7-3
Sun. 11/23 @ Kansas City Chiefs W 8-3
Sun. 11/30 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS W 9-3
Sun. 12/7 MIAMI DOLPHINS (Toronto) W 10-3
Sun. 12/14 @ New York Jets L 10-4
Sun. 12/21 @ Denver Broncos L 10-5
Sun. 12/28 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS W 11-5

AFC East Standings:
Buffalo Bills 11-5
New England Patriots 10-6*
New York Jets 10-6
Miami Dolphins 7-9

#3 Seed in AFC.(#1-Tennessee Titans, #2-Denver Broncos, #3-Buffalo Bills, #4-Pittsburgh Steelers, #5-New England Patriots, #6-San Diego Chargers)

[Ebenezer]

They don't have a QB who can play well enough though.
Just end the debate already...Op is succeeding at ruining the fun of having a team that is 4-1 again...I have said it before...he would ***** at a 51-3 win to go to the SB win because it wasn't a shut out.

[OpIv37]

Just end the debate already...Op is succeeding at ruining the fun of having a team that is 4-1 again...I have said it before...he would ***** at a 51-3 win to go to the SB win because it wasn't a shut out.

where's the fun in barely beating bad teams and getting crushed by decent teams?

[MDFINFAN]

And the first two weeks Miami looked like crap.

And have you seen Cleveland this year? They are horrible. 32nd in the NFL. The Bills defense will still be top 15 after this week.

Do you really think their offense has an advantage?

no, we only look like crap the 2nd week, the 1st game came down to the last play of the game...:drama:

[Dr. Lecter]

where's the fun in barely beating bad teams and getting crushed by decent teams?

Jacksonville is not a crap team.

[OpIv37]

Jacksonville is not a crap team.

They had injuries, but it was an away game so I'll give you that one.

We're 3-0 against bad teams and 1-1 against decent teams- the win being a 4th quarter comeback and the loss being a blowout.

That's not very good.

In case you don't recall, last year we beat most of the teams we were supposed to beat. If I remember correctly, 7 of our 9 losses were to playoff teams. Only one of our 7 wins was over a playoff team.

Beating bad teams hasn't really been an issue for the Bills. It's the decent teams that have given us problems, and they're STILL giving us problems.

[justasportsfan]

this OP vs. lecter is getting old . wait, I meant OP vs. Mystic.... wait OP vs. Shelby.... :huh:

[Dr. Lecter]

this OP vs. lecter is getting old . wait, I meant OP vs. Mystic.... wait OP vs. Shelby.... :huh:

If you want, I can *****slap you for awhile instead. I am sure you have deserved it for some reason.

[Mitchy moo]

If you want, I can *****slap you for awhile instead. I am sure you have deserved it for some reason.

Don't we all!!

[justasportsfan]

If you want, I can *****slap you for awhile instead. I am sure you have deserved it for some reason. I'm :nervous:

[Mitchy moo]

Jacksonville is not a crap team.

No kidding.

[BillsOwnAll]

there are no degrees of losses in the standings. "Only" losing by 8 is still losing.


Is this not the same for winning? winning by 8...its winning! WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING WERE 4-1 THEN!?!??!

[Mitchy moo]

Is this not the same for winning? winning by 8...its winning! WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING WERE 4-1 THEN!?!??!

When you win by 17 it's close as well, find the logic in that.

[billogic99]

Um, did you WATCH the game yesterday? You think any of our corners can handle Braylon Edwards? Whitner has yet to cover a TE well one on one and they have Kellen Winslow. On top of that, it's a night game and this team has yet to prove that they can win when the pressure is on. You calling it unrealistic doesn't make it unrealistic.

I think Buffalo really needs to start playing more solid on both sides of the ball cause the schedule really starts getting tougher. However Cleveland has had their issues this year. I think the Cleveland game is winnable.

[billogic99]

Jacksonville is not a crap team.

Wow really? I think they are, at least to this point in the season.

[Mitchy moo]

I think Buffalo really needs to start playing more solid on both sides of the ball cause the schedule really starts getting tougher. However Cleveland has had their issues this year. I think the Cleveland game is winnable.

But it's a night home game, primetime. You know what that means, DOOM TO THE BILLS. We could be playing the Jr. Pee Wee's and the night game thing puts us at a disadvantage but not the team we are playing.

Find the logic in that or the SDM's in place.

[billogic99]

But it's a night home game, primetime. You know what that means, DOOM TO THE BILLS. We could be playing the Jr. Pee Wee's and the night game thing puts us at a disadvantage but not the team we are playing.

Find the logic in that or the SDM's in place.

Stop...

[OpIv37]

Is this not the same for winning? winning by 8...its winning! WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING WERE 4-1 THEN!?!??!

Really? I have to explain this?

FOR THE LAST ****ING TIME I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT WINNING.

I am looking at how we played in those wins and trying to figure out what it means for the UPCOMING games. We played like **** even in the wins, and if we continue to play like that we will lose most of our remaining games. It's really not that complicated.

[Mitchy moo]

Stop...

That's the logic to some here, seriously. Not mentioning any names or anything.