View Full Version : Is is a Disadvantage for the Bills to have a home Monday Night Football game?
THATHURMANATOR
10-07-2008, 03:59 PM
:idunno:
Pinkerton Security
10-07-2008, 04:01 PM
I dont think its clear either way. They could get real hyped up with the raucous crowd, or they could get tight and not play well.
Mitchy moo
10-07-2008, 04:01 PM
We'll beat them morning, noon or night.
Pinkerton Security
10-07-2008, 04:02 PM
also, if we get a big win it can help attract fans. fans = revenue
OpIv37
10-07-2008, 04:40 PM
also, if we get a big win it can help attract fans. fans = revenue
That's the problem. This team always struggles when it's in the spotlight. After the loss to Dallas last year, I can't tell you how many non-Bills fans came up to me and said something to the effect of "I was rooting for the Bills, but man, what a tough loss." And the Patriots game was just embarrassing.
That's not going to attract more fans.
This team has yet to prove that it can win under the spotlight. Practically the same team lost 2 night games last year, one was an epic collapse and one was an embarrassing blowout. Until these guys prove they can win under the pressure of a national audience, then night games have to be considered a liability.
realdealryan
10-07-2008, 04:49 PM
We can be embarassed at 1, 430, or 815...or we can win! The crowd was ELECTRIC for the opener, and the team was into it. We should expect that same crowd for MNF, and with a healthy team and a solid gameplan, we should be fine.
I just got my tickets in the mail today, and the only disadvantage that I can think of is that I have to figure out a way to be sober enough to walk into the place at 8.
gr8slayer
10-07-2008, 04:52 PM
I'm not sure how home field advantage is ever a disadvantage, but the Bills rarely show up for the big games on the big stage. Until something changes I go into games like MNF, playoff, divisional, etc..... games with little to no confidence.
Mitchy moo
10-07-2008, 06:15 PM
I'm not sure how home field advantage is ever a disadvantage, but the Bills rarely show up for the big games on the big stage. Until something changes I go into games like MNF, playoff, divisional, etc..... games with little to no confidence.
The Browns suck this year, day or night we win.
THATHURMANATOR
10-07-2008, 08:26 PM
What a surprise OP is the only one..... :shakeno:
Mad Bomber
10-07-2008, 08:40 PM
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</td></tr></tbody></table>What a f***ing surprise....
Mad Bomber
10-07-2008, 08:40 PM
What a surprise OP is the only one..... :shakeno:
:hi5:
THATHURMANATOR
10-07-2008, 08:44 PM
He is something else isnt he???
Mad Bomber
10-07-2008, 08:46 PM
He is something else isnt he???
Ya gotta give him credit for being consistent though...
THATHURMANATOR
10-07-2008, 08:47 PM
That is true. He is persistant in being a negative nancy
VeggieMan14
10-07-2008, 08:53 PM
That is true. He is persistant in being a negative nancyyou know what they say every party has its pooper :poop:
gr8slayer
10-07-2008, 09:22 PM
He is something else isnt he???
At least he's unbiased and objective in his posting. That's more than you can say for so many around here.
HughC
10-07-2008, 09:23 PM
I don't see that playing on Monday night rather than Sunday afternoon is a disadvantage during that game. The players on both teams know that all their peers will be watching since it's the only game on then, so they're excited about it, but I don't see how it is any more or less of an advantage.
For any team playing a Monday Night Football game, they are faced with a short week to prepare and heal for the following week's game, however. The Bills get a whammy the following week by having to travel away on that short week. Personally I have felt for a long time that any team that plays on MNF should not have to play an away game the following week - that is a big disadvantage. Although it could be worse; it could be a road game on MNF followed by a road game on the west coast - that would be totally uncalled for.
THATHURMANATOR
10-07-2008, 09:29 PM
At least he's unbiased and objective in his posting. That's more than you can say for so many around here.
I feel he is biased towards always taking the negative point of view no matter what. Biased against the Bills for some reason.
gr8slayer
10-07-2008, 09:33 PM
I feel he is biased towards always taking the negative point of view no matter what. Biased against the Bills for some reason.
I know Op outside the message board. He's far from a "Bills Basher" type person, he's a passionate fan who just wants to see the team do well; he like so many of us is tired of the decade of pain and sorrow that we've been put through. If you stop reading between the lines he actually has a valid point 99% of the time.
SeatownBillsFan21
10-07-2008, 09:34 PM
Id much rather be at home
gr8slayer
10-07-2008, 09:36 PM
Id much rather be at home
How do you feel about the Sonics moving? I just noticed that you're from Seattle.
THATHURMANATOR
10-07-2008, 09:57 PM
I know Op outside the message board. He's far from a "Bills Basher" type person, he's a passionate fan who just wants to see the team do well; he like so many of us is tired of the decade of pain and sorrow that we've been put through. If you stop reading between the lines he actually has a valid point 99% of the time.
Yeah I have met him multiple times also. So what? He is certainly not correct 99% of the time.
ParanoidAndroid
10-07-2008, 10:03 PM
I know Op outside the message board. He's far from a "Bills Basher" type person, he's a passionate fan who just wants to see the team do well; he like so many of us is tired of the decade of pain and sorrow that we've been put through. If you stop reading between the lines he actually has a valid point 99% of the time.
You're right, he clearly isn't a basher. He just thinks and posts the worst which is more "downers" than Bills fans need.
THATHURMANATOR
10-07-2008, 10:05 PM
He isnt a basher of course.
Mitchy moo
10-07-2008, 10:07 PM
He isnt a basher of course.
Projecting one's own Self-Defense mechanism shoudn't be confused with bashing.
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OpIv37
10-07-2008, 10:09 PM
I feel he is biased towards always taking the negative point of view no matter what. Biased against the Bills for some reason.
LOSING.
This team hasn't won consistently in over a decade. Everyone expects me to give them the benefit of the doubt despite the fact that they haven't earned it.
Here we have a situation in which this team has yet to prove they can win, and you're all acting like I'm crazy for not expecting them to win.
Stop and think about that for a second.
Mitchy moo
10-07-2008, 10:11 PM
LOSING.
This team hasn't won consistently in over a decade. Everyone expects me to give them the benefit of the doubt despite the fact that they haven't earned it.
Here we have a situation in which this team has yet to prove they can win, and you're all acting like I'm crazy for not expecting them to win.
Stop and think about that for a second.
We're 4-1 right now and you even in your brighest day to start predicting our record at the bye couldn't see that coming. Suprises are the part of life which you never planned for.
OpIv37
10-07-2008, 10:15 PM
Projecting one's own Self-Defense mechanism shoudn't be confused with bashing.
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Please elaborate on this self-defense mechanism concept that you are repeating ad nauseum.
What exactly am I protecting myself from? Disappointment? Anger? I feel that way after a loss whether I expect it or not.
If anything, I'm doing the opposite of "self defense." If the Bills win, then I have to come on here and take a bunch of crap (although I'd gladly deal with that to have the Bills actually win something meaningful). If the Bills lose, then I can't even say "I told you so" because I can't take any glory in a loss, even if it means I'm right.
So, either explain yourself or quit the psycho babble bull****. I'm really getting sick of people going after my attitude or my tone rather than the content of my posts. It's really a lousy debating technique to attack me personally because you have no valid responses to my actual points.
OpIv37
10-07-2008, 10:27 PM
We're 4-1 right now and you even in your brighest day to start predicting our record at the bye couldn't see that coming. Suprises are the part of life which you never planned for.
but surprises are just that: unexpected. The Bills record at this point is surprising. And it will be surprising if they win on Monday night, because this team has folded in similar circumstances in the past.
Since a win would be surprising, I'm not expecting it.
See how this "logic" thing works?
Mitchy moo
10-07-2008, 11:14 PM
Please elaborate on this self-defense mechanism concept that you are repeating ad nauseum.
What exactly am I protecting myself from? Disappointment? Anger? I feel that way after a loss whether I expect it or not.
So, either explain yourself or quit the psycho babble bull****.
Allright, Your worth breaking it down for:
Psychoanalysis and psychodynamic theory have described the process by which we protect ourselves from awareness of our undesired and feared impulses. Defense mechanisms are our way of distancing ourselves from a full awareness of unpleasant thoughts, feelings and desires.
In psychoanalytic theory, defense mechanisms represent an unconscious mediation by the ego of id impulses which are in conflict with the wishes and needs of the ego and/or superego. By altering and distorting one's awareness of the original impulse, one makes it more tolerable.
However, while defense mechanisms are used in an attempt to protect oneself from unpleasant emotions, they often result in equally harmful problems. Below are some of the more common defense mechanisms.
Compartmentalizationis a process of separating parts of the self from awareness of other parts and behaving as if one had separate sets of values. An example might be an honest person who cheats on their income tax return and keeps their two value systems distinct and unintegrated while remaining unconscious of the cognitive dissonance.
Compensationis a process of psychologically counterbalancing perceived weaknesses by emphasizing strength in other arenas. The "I'm not a fighter, I'm a lover" philosophy can be an example of compensation as can the Napoleonic complex.
Denial is the refusal to accept reality and to act as if a painful event, thought or feeling did not exist. It is considered one of the most primitive of the defense mechanisms because it is characteristic of very early childhood development. (The Bills cannot win)
Displacement is the redirecting of thoughts feelings and impulses from an object that gives rise to anxiety to a safer, more acceptable one. Being angry at the boss and kicking the dog can be an example of displacement. (You yourself expressed this exact same emotion at your previous job & use this to shield yourself from the Bills winning, the Bills will lose every week in your mind is the only thing that can help you overcome the loss)
Fantasy, when used as a defense mechanism, is the channeling of unacceptable or unattainable desires into imagination. This can protect ones self esteem as when educational, vocational or social expectations are not being met, one imagines success in these areas and wards off self condemnation. (The Bills have to lose, even when they should win, our going to lose against the Brownies)
Intellectualizationis the use of a cognitive approach without the attendant emotions to suppress and attempt to gain mastery over the perceived disorderly and potentially overwhelming impulses. An example might be an individual who when told they had a life threatening disease focuses exclusively on the statistical percentages of recovery and is unable to cope with their fear and sadness.
Projectionis the attribution of one's undesired impulses onto another. Thus, an angry spouse accuses their partner of hostility. (You are the biggest projector I know, it's all losses / all the time. You force the Bills going to lose unto everybody here)
Rationalizationis the cognitive reframing of ones perceptions to protect the ego in the face of changing realities. Thus, the promotion one wished fervently for and didn't get becomes "a dead end job for brown nosers and yes men". (You went down that road on your last job / the Bills cannot win even though they are)
Reaction Formationis the converting of wishes or impulses that are perceived to be dangerous into their opposites. A woman who is furious at her child and wishes her harm might become overly concerned and protective of the child's health. (losing into winning . winning into losing)
Regression is the reversion to an earlier stage of development in the face of unacceptable impulses. For an example an adolescent who is overwhelmed with fear, anger and growing sexual impulses might become clinging and begin thumb sucking or bed wetting. (I had you pegged as a bedwetter from day one, J / K)
Repressionis the blocking of unacceptable impulses from consciousness. (Bills losing / Winning)
Sublimationis the channeling of unacceptable impulses into more acceptable outlets. (Billszone is your channeling place, you probably don't even visit another Bills site at all)
Undoingis the attempt to take back behavior or thoughts that are unacceptable. An example of undoing would be excessively praising someone after having insulted them. (You have did this to Justa ~746 times and counting)
http://www.planetpsych.com/zPsychology_101/defense_mechanisms.htm
Mitchy moo
10-07-2008, 11:20 PM
Allright, Your worth breaking it down for:
Psychoanalysis and psychodynamic theory have described the process by which we protect ourselves from awareness of our undesired and feared impulses. Defense mechanisms are our way of distancing ourselves from a full awareness of unpleasant thoughts, feelings and desires.
In psychoanalytic theory, defense mechanisms represent an unconscious mediation by the ego of id impulses which are in conflict with the wishes and needs of the ego and/or superego. By altering and distorting one's awareness of the original impulse, one makes it more tolerable.
However, while defense mechanisms are used in an attempt to protect oneself from unpleasant emotions, they often result in equally harmful problems. Below are some of the more common defense mechanisms.
Compartmentalizationis a process of separating parts of the self from awareness of other parts and behaving as if one had separate sets of values. An example might be an honest person who cheats on their income tax return and keeps their two value systems distinct and unintegrated while remaining unconscious of the cognitive dissonance.
Compensationis a process of psychologically counterbalancing perceived weaknesses by emphasizing strength in other arenas. The "I'm not a fighter, I'm a lover" philosophy can be an example of compensation as can the Napoleonic complex.
Denial is the refusal to accept reality and to act as if a painful event, thought or feeling did not exist. It is considered one of the most primitive of the defense mechanisms because it is characteristic of very early childhood development. (The Bills cannot win)
Displacement is the redirecting of thoughts feelings and impulses from an object that gives rise to anxiety to a safer, more acceptable one. Being angry at the boss and kicking the dog can be an example of displacement. (You yourself expressed this exact same emotion at your previous job & use this to shield yourself from the Bills winning, the Bills will lose every week in your mind is the only thing that can help you overcome the loss)
Fantasy, when used as a defense mechanism, is the channeling of unacceptable or unattainable desires into imagination. This can protect ones self esteem as when educational, vocational or social expectations are not being met, one imagines success in these areas and wards off self condemnation. (The Bills have to lose, even when they should win, our going to lose against the Brownies)
Intellectualizationis the use of a cognitive approach without the attendant emotions to suppress and attempt to gain mastery over the perceived disorderly and potentially overwhelming impulses. An example might be an individual who when told they had a life threatening disease focuses exclusively on the statistical percentages of recovery and is unable to cope with their fear and sadness.
Projectionis the attribution of one's undesired impulses onto another. Thus, an angry spouse accuses their partner of hostility. (You are the biggest projector I know, it's all losses / all the time. You force the Bills going to lose unto everybody here)
Rationalizationis the cognitive reframing of ones perceptions to protect the ego in the face of changing realities. Thus, the promotion one wished fervently for and didn't get becomes "a dead end job for brown nosers and yes men". (You went down that road on your last job / the Bills cannot win even though they are)
Reaction Formationis the converting of wishes or impulses that are perceived to be dangerous into their opposites. A woman who is furious at her child and wishes her harm might become overly concerned and protective of the child's health. (losing into winning . winning into losing)
Regression is the reversion to an earlier stage of development in the face of unacceptable impulses. For an example an adolescent who is overwhelmed with fear, anger and growing sexual impulses might become clinging and begin thumb sucking or bed wetting. (I had you pegged as a bedwetter from day one, J / K)
Repressionis the blocking of unacceptable impulses from consciousness. (Bills losing / Winning)
Sublimationis the channeling of unacceptable impulses into more acceptable outlets. (Billszone is your channeling place, you probably don't even visit another Bills site at all)
Undoingis the attempt to take back behavior or thoughts that are unacceptable. An example of undoing would be excessively praising someone after having insulted them. (You have did this to Justa ~746 times and counting)
http://www.planetpsych.com/zPsychology_101/defense_mechanisms.htm
I actually think you're as cool as can be and have a brilliant mind.
Mitchy moo
10-07-2008, 11:43 PM
but surprises are just that: unexpected. The Bills record at this point is surprising. And it will be surprising if they win on Monday night, because this team has folded in similar circumstances in the past.
Since a win would be surprising, I'm not expecting it.
See how this "logic" thing works?
Read above and hopefully some "logic" will hit you. It takes a ton of bricks sometimes, lord know we've been trying for years now. You never know where your best advice is going to come from either, ever. I've had strangers give me life long lessons in minutes with a simple conversation, lights on / door open.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 07:49 AM
Oh **** Op just got schooled by Skooby!!! DAAAANG!
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 09:25 AM
Allright, Your worth breaking it down for:
Psychoanalysis and psychodynamic theory have described the process by which we protect ourselves from awareness of our undesired and feared impulses. Defense mechanisms are our way of distancing ourselves from a full awareness of unpleasant thoughts, feelings and desires.
In psychoanalytic theory, defense mechanisms represent an unconscious mediation by the ego of id impulses which are in conflict with the wishes and needs of the ego and/or superego. By altering and distorting one's awareness of the original impulse, one makes it more tolerable.
However, while defense mechanisms are used in an attempt to protect oneself from unpleasant emotions, they often result in equally harmful problems. Below are some of the more common defense mechanisms.
Compartmentalizationis a process of separating parts of the self from awareness of other parts and behaving as if one had separate sets of values. An example might be an honest person who cheats on their income tax return and keeps their two value systems distinct and unintegrated while remaining unconscious of the cognitive dissonance.
Compensationis a process of psychologically counterbalancing perceived weaknesses by emphasizing strength in other arenas. The "I'm not a fighter, I'm a lover" philosophy can be an example of compensation as can the Napoleonic complex.
Denial is the refusal to accept reality and to act as if a painful event, thought or feeling did not exist. It is considered one of the most primitive of the defense mechanisms because it is characteristic of very early childhood development. (The Bills cannot win)
Displacement is the redirecting of thoughts feelings and impulses from an object that gives rise to anxiety to a safer, more acceptable one. Being angry at the boss and kicking the dog can be an example of displacement. (You yourself expressed this exact same emotion at your previous job & use this to shield yourself from the Bills winning, the Bills will lose every week in your mind is the only thing that can help you overcome the loss)
Fantasy, when used as a defense mechanism, is the channeling of unacceptable or unattainable desires into imagination. This can protect ones self esteem as when educational, vocational or social expectations are not being met, one imagines success in these areas and wards off self condemnation. (The Bills have to lose, even when they should win, our going to lose against the Brownies)
Intellectualizationis the use of a cognitive approach without the attendant emotions to suppress and attempt to gain mastery over the perceived disorderly and potentially overwhelming impulses. An example might be an individual who when told they had a life threatening disease focuses exclusively on the statistical percentages of recovery and is unable to cope with their fear and sadness.
Projectionis the attribution of one's undesired impulses onto another. Thus, an angry spouse accuses their partner of hostility. (You are the biggest projector I know, it's all losses / all the time. You force the Bills going to lose unto everybody here)
Rationalizationis the cognitive reframing of ones perceptions to protect the ego in the face of changing realities. Thus, the promotion one wished fervently for and didn't get becomes "a dead end job for brown nosers and yes men". (You went down that road on your last job / the Bills cannot win even though they are)
Reaction Formationis the converting of wishes or impulses that are perceived to be dangerous into their opposites. A woman who is furious at her child and wishes her harm might become overly concerned and protective of the child's health. (losing into winning . winning into losing)
Regression is the reversion to an earlier stage of development in the face of unacceptable impulses. For an example an adolescent who is overwhelmed with fear, anger and growing sexual impulses might become clinging and begin thumb sucking or bed wetting. (I had you pegged as a bedwetter from day one, J / K)
Repressionis the blocking of unacceptable impulses from consciousness. (Bills losing / Winning)
Sublimationis the channeling of unacceptable impulses into more acceptable outlets. (Billszone is your channeling place, you probably don't even visit another Bills site at all)
Undoingis the attempt to take back behavior or thoughts that are unacceptable. An example of undoing would be excessively praising someone after having insulted them. (You have did this to Justa ~746 times and counting)
http://www.planetpsych.com/zPsychology_101/defense_mechanisms.htm
This is the biggest load of crap EVER.
You are WRONG from the very start because it says denial is to avoid an UNPLEASANT emotion. You accuse me of being in denial about the Bills winning, which is false from it's onset, but even if it's true, it means that I'm doing the OPPOSITE of what your psychobabble says.
The part about fantasy is just ridiculous because a) my self esteem is in no way tied to the Bills and b) I talk about them LOSING- it's UNPLEASANT- it's the OPPOSITE of the fantasy described here.
As far as projection, you say I force the Bills being able to lose on everyone here because it's TRUE. We're coming off a decade of NOT WINNING. People here are unwilling to accept the reality that this is a losing team. How is trying to get people to accept the reality of the team "projection"? That's just absurd.
The reality is that you defend yourself from every unpleasant aspect of this team even when it's painfully obvious, you rationalize losses so you don't have to deal with them, and you engage in more defense mechanisms more than anyone here but you try to transfer them onto me.
Accusing me of using "defense mechanisms" is your defense mechanism in and of itself because it keeps you from having to acknowledge the reality of my posts. You always make it about me personally rather than the content of my posts.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 09:26 AM
Oh **** Op just got schooled by Skooby!!! DAAAANG!
no he didn't- he was full of **** and his entire basis for his argument is the opposite of what the psychology he posted said.
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 09:35 AM
You need to ask people you know if this is how they perceive you. Denial actually is your own ability to hide things from yourself and think that people are taking a certain way when they are not. Your 1 of 32 people that voted the exact opposite way of everyone else, that doesn't make you unique.
This is the biggest load of crap EVER.
You are WRONG from the very start because it says denial is to avoid an UNPLEASANT emotion. You accuse me of being in denial about the Bills winning, which is false from it's onset, but even if it's true, it means that I'm doing the OPPOSITE of what your psychobabble says.
The part about fantasy is just ridiculous because a) my self esteem is in no way tied to the Bills and b) I talk about them LOSING- it's UNPLEASANT- it's the OPPOSITE of the fantasy described here.
As far as projection, you say I force the Bills being able to lose on everyone here because it's TRUE. We're coming off a decade of NOT WINNING. People here are unwilling to accept the reality that this is a losing team. How is trying to get people to accept the reality of the team "projection"? That's just absurd.
The reality is that you defend yourself from every unpleasant aspect of this team even when it's painfully obvious, you rationalize losses so you don't have to deal with them, and you engage in more defense mechanisms more than anyone here but you try to transfer them onto me.
Accusing me of using "defense mechanisms" is your defense mechanism in and of itself because it keeps you from having to acknowledge the reality of my posts. You always make it about me personally rather than the content of my posts.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 09:38 AM
You need to ask people you know if this is how they perceive you. Denial actually is your own ability to hide things from yourself and think that people are taking a certain way when they are not.
You still haven't explained this: Suppose I am hiding the possibility of a Bills win from myself. How does that defend myself? How do I benefit from that?
And you're still making it about me rather than about the points in my posts.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 09:41 AM
no he didn't- he was full of **** and his entire basis for his argument is the opposite of what the psychology he posted said.
Are you sure of this?
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 09:55 AM
You still haven't explained this: Suppose I am hiding the possibility of a Bills win from myself. How does that defend myself? How do I benefit from that?
And you're still making it about me rather than about the points in my posts.
I'll put a different way, it's like you emotionally betting against the Bills every game and if they lose you gain and if they win you get the pleasure of being a fan. It's like going into a no lose situation for yourself emotionally but it's really a self-defense mechanism to compensate for any potential for disappointment.
In case you haven't figured it out, you never get disappointed as much anymore. You just get your current negative beliefs reaffirmed.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 10:13 AM
I'll put a different way, it's like you emotionally betting against the Bills every game and if they lose you gain and if they win you get the pleasure of being a fan. It's like going into a no lose situation for yourself emotionally but it's really a self-defense mechanism to compensate for any potential for disappointment.
In case you haven't figured it out, you never get disappointed as much anymore. You just get your current negative beliefs reaffirmed.
But I already told you- if they lose, I don't gain. I never come on here and gloat about being right when the Bills lose because I can't take any glory in a Bills loss. There's no benefit to me whatsoever. And I'm disappointed in a loss whether I expected it or not.
All week, you've been getting on my case and saying I'm being too hard on the team after a loss, but now I'm not disappointed anymore? Come on, that makes no sense whatsoever.
My "negative beliefs" get reaffirmed because they're not actually negative- they're realistic. If they weren't they wouldn't get reaffirmed.
You're really reaching now, Skoob.
justasportsfan
10-08-2008, 10:15 AM
But I already told you- if they lose, I don't gain. I never come on here and gloat about being right when the Bills lose because I can't take any glory in a Bills loss. There's no benefit to me whatsoever. And I'm disappointed in a loss whether I expected it or not.
All week, you've been getting on my case and saying I'm being too hard on the team after a loss, but now I'm not disappointed anymore? Come on, that makes no sense whatsoever.
My "negative beliefs" get reaffirmed because they're not actually negative- they're realistic. If they weren't they wouldn't get reaffirmed.
You're really reaching now, Skoob.I disagree. You've gloated several times .
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 10:17 AM
I disagree. You've gloated several times .
You're wrong.
They only time I ever bust out the "I told you so" is after the fact, when people like you say I'm never right and try to distort my record. I only bring it up when I have to in order to defend myself.
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 10:26 AM
But I already told you- if they lose, I don't gain. I never come on here and gloat about being right when the Bills lose because I can't take any glory in a Bills loss. There's no benefit to me whatsoever. And I'm disappointed in a loss whether I expected it or not.
All week, you've been getting on my case and saying I'm being too hard on the team after a loss, but now I'm not disappointed anymore? Come on, that makes no sense whatsoever.
My "negative beliefs" get reaffirmed because they're not actually negative- they're realistic. If they weren't they wouldn't get reaffirmed.
You're really reaching now, Skoob.
Check your post count for all of september & compare that with the past 4 days, they'll be within 25% of eachother even though it's 700% more time to post. You had nothing to talk about in September, you felt lost on here.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 10:33 AM
Check your post count for all of september & compare that with the past 4 days, they'll be within 25% of eachother even though it's 700% more time to post. You had nothing to talk about in September, you felt lost on here.
dude, for the first half of September, I was working 60 hour weeks and busy as hell when I was at work. I didn't have any time to post. Nice try, though.
Also, when I say good things about the team, no one argues with me. When I say bad things about the team, lots of people argue with me because they don't want to deal with the reality of it.
So, you're really reaching again.
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 10:35 AM
dude, for the first half of September, I was working 60 hour weeks and busy as hell when I was at work. I didn't have any time to post. Nice try, though.
Also, when I say good things about the team, no one argues with me. When I say bad things about the team, lots of people argue with me because they don't want to deal with the reality of it.
So, you're really reaching again.
Denial is not a place where cleopatra washed herself in your case.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 10:38 AM
Denial is not a place where cleopatra washed herself in your case.
That's right- I made up the fact that I was working 60 hour weeks and didn't have time to post. I mean, I have the timesheets to prove it, my wife to testify to the fact that I was never home and my co-workers to testify to the fact that I was always here and my bosses to testify to my workload, but it's all a defense mechanism in my head that I made up. :rolleyes:
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 10:51 AM
Op is getting steamrolled 32-1!!!!
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 10:53 AM
Op is getting steamrolled 32-1!!!!
Just wait and see.
Your question is misleading in the first place.
The problem isn't that it's a home game- it's that it's a night game with a national audience. You skewed the responses by prefacing it with "home" game.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 10:55 AM
Just wait and see.
Your question is misleading in the first place.
The problem isn't that it's a home game- it's that it's a night game with a national audience. You skewed the responses by prefacing it with "home" game.
I love it, Op is now hoping we lose!!!!
justasportsfan
10-08-2008, 10:58 AM
Also, when I say good things about the team, no one argues with me. When I say bad things about the team, lots of people argue with me because they don't want to deal with the reality of it.
So, you're really reaching again.
You used the bills O the last couple of years against the team. You pick the browns to beat the bills and when we point out the very same excused you've used against the bills (crappy O) then you starting making up stuff like "they match up better against us" . You try to spin out of it with your "they match up well against the bills"
you use last year as an excuse for the bills to lose to the browns . But when we use last year as an excuse why we can beat the fins and jets, it does not apply.
Your own logic is self contradictory and your own reality is self contradictory. Try being a more consitent and maybe we won't point things out.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 11:00 AM
you keep making your reality up. You have your own definition of reality.
You used the bills O the last couple of years against the team. You pick the browns to beat the bills and when we point out the very same excused you've used against the bills (crappy O) then you starting making up stuff like "they match up better against us" . Your own logic is self contradictory and your own reality is self contradictory. You try to spin out of it with your "they match up well against the bills"
Nice try.
When I was arguing that the Bills O was bad, no one ever said we matched up positively with other teams because we didn't. Our O was all-around bad and we didn't have any favorable matchups with anyone. As bad as the Browns O is, they still have favorable matchups with us.
Those damn specifics, again.
Your problem is that you have no concept for "context". You try to take something I said about a specific situation and turn it into a broad, all-encompassing statement when it was never intended as such.
The Browns O is bad, our D is bad. Something has to give, and I think they have the matchup advantage.
justasportsfan
10-08-2008, 11:03 AM
Nice try.
When I was arguing that the Bills O was bad, no one ever said we matched up positively with other teams because we didn't. Our O was all-around bad and we didn't have any favorable matchups with anyone. As bad as the Browns O is, they still have favorable matchups with us..
Do I lie? You just proved my point. You're spinning because your past logic goes against your current one.
Those damn specifics, again.
Your problem is that you have no concept for "context". You try to take something I said about a specific situation and turn it into a broad, all-encompassing statement when it was never intended as such.
You were being broad when talking about how bad our O was in the past and used it against us. Now you're trying to be specific?
Time will tell OP. If for some reason the borwns beat the bills I still own your reality.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 11:05 AM
Do I lie? You just proved my point. You're spinning because your past logic goes against your current one.
You were being broad when talking about how bad our O was in the past and used it against us. Now you're trying to be specific?
Time will tell OP. If for some reason the borwns beat the bills I still own your reality.
it's not "spinning." It's called "explaining."
And look at your last statement. You're trying to say that even if I'm right, I'm wrong? And then you accuse me of spinning? WTF?
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 11:07 AM
Nice try.
When I was arguing that the Bills O was bad, no one ever said we matched up positively with other teams because we didn't. Our O was all-around bad and we didn't have any favorable matchups with anyone. As bad as the Browns O is, they still have favorable matchups with us.
Those damn specifics, again.
Your problem is that you have no concept for "context". You try to take something I said about a specific situation and turn it into a broad, all-encompassing statement when it was never intended as such.
The Browns O is bad, our D is bad. Something has to give, and I think they have the matchup advantage.
You're going to need to make up with him soon, time # 765 is calling.
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 11:14 AM
Just wait and see. (Gloating over the loss potential)
Your question is misleading in the first place. (How was it misleading??, it was very specific to all other 32 of us thought but to someone who has their little wall up, you instantly figured featured night game = bills loss / Bills playing a game = loss, so it's a disadvantage)
The problem isn't that it's a home game- it's that it's a night game with a national audience. You skewed the responses by prefacing it with "home" game. (nothing is skewed here but your perception of reality)
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 11:15 AM
Just wait and see. (Gloating over the loss potential)
Your question is misleading in the first place. (How was it misleading??, it was very specific to all other 32 of us thought but to someone who has their little wall up, you instantly figured featured night game = bills loss / Bills playing a game = loss, so it's a disadvantage)
The problem isn't that it's a home game- it's that it's a night game with a national audience. You skewed the responses by prefacing it with "home" game. (nothing is skewed here but your perception of reality)
SKOOBY 3 - OP 0
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 11:16 AM
Just wait and see. (Gloating over the loss potential)
Your question is misleading in the first place. (How was it misleading??, it was very specific to all other 32 of us thought but to someone who has their little wall up, you instantly figured featured night game = bills loss / Bills playing a game = loss, so it's a disadvantage)
The problem isn't that it's a home game- it's that it's a night game with a national audience. You skewed the responses by prefacing it with "home" game. (nothing is skewed here but your perception of reality)
The bell will ring for you someday but if a bell rings in the woods and you don't hear it..........
Sjohnson4Roty
10-08-2008, 11:17 AM
Was this a serious question. Have you heard how loud it gets in the Ralph. I am so happy we play our next game at home. If we beat San Diego their playoffs hopes are about done. Could you imagine how big this win would be!
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 11:19 AM
SKOOBY 3 - OP 0
Is this just dead to rights obvious to everyone else but OP?? Or is it that OP cannot see what's written in any other way but his own interpretation??
Justa is even calling him out on his exact words and OP has to retreat to his wall to find a way to protect how he feels.
1-33 now as well.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 11:21 AM
Was this a serious question. Have you heard how loud it gets in the Ralph. I am so happy we play our next game at home. If we beat San Diego their playoffs hopes are about done. Could you imagine how big this win would be!
Yes it was serious.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 11:31 AM
Just wait and see. (Gloating over the loss potential)
Your question is misleading in the first place. (How was it misleading??, it was very specific to all other 32 of us thought but to someone who has their little wall up, you instantly figured featured night game = bills loss / Bills playing a game = loss, so it's a disadvantage)
The problem isn't that it's a home game- it's that it's a night game with a national audience. You skewed the responses by prefacing it with "home" game. (nothing is skewed here but your perception of reality)
How is "wait and see" gloating? Spin and exaggeration at it's finest.
The question is misleading because it says HOME game when the real issue is the NIGHT game. Haven't you ever taken a statistics class or studied polls? The questions posed can skew the answer. Do an abortion poll and ask people "do you believe in a woman's right to choose" then do another abortion poll and ask people "do you believe in killing unborn babies". You'll get very different results.
This has nothing to do with my perception of reality. There are entire books about this subject. Read Damned Lies and Statistics by Joel Best if you don't believe me.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 11:33 AM
Op it clearly says Home NIGHT game which is what it is. How much clearer can it be?
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 11:36 AM
Op it clearly says Home NIGHT game which is what it is. How much clearer can it be?
you prefaced "night" by using "home" first. Home or away doesn't matter- it's the inability to play NIGHT games, not away games, that is the problem here. By putting "home" first, people are thinking about a home game, which is a well-known advantage. It skews their mindset before they even think about the question.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 11:37 AM
you prefaced "night" by using "home" first. Home or away doesn't matter- it's the inability to play NIGHT games, not away games, that is the problem here. By putting "home" first, people are thinking about a home game, which is a well-known advantage. It skews their mindset before they even think about the question.
Whats the difference? That is what it is. Should I call it a Monday night Road game even if they are playing in Buffalo? Let me know because I think you are losing it.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 11:37 AM
34-1!!!!
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 11:41 AM
Whats the difference? That is what it is. Should I call it a Monday night Road game even if they are playing in Buffalo? Let me know because I think you are losing it.
No, you should just call it a NIGHT game because that's the important part and not talk about home or away whatsoever. That would be the most objective way to ask the question.
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 11:42 AM
How is "wait and see" gloating? Spin and exaggeration at it's finest.
You basically said, "Just you wait and see." You're actually prefacing the game for a loss and your going to show us after they lose. If you're going to show us, your gloating about calling it ahead of time.
Are we clear now??
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 11:45 AM
No, you should just call it a NIGHT game because that's the important part and not talk about home or away whatsoever. That would be the most objective way to ask the question.
Wow Op. If the game was played at a neutral site I suppose this logic would make sense but since it is most certainly being played in Buffalo to not take that into consideration is the misleading thing.....
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 11:45 AM
You basically said, "Just you wait and see." You're actually prefacing the game for a loss and your going to show us after they lose. If you're going to show us, your gloating about calling it ahead of time.
Are we clear now??
Yeah Op explain yourself or I am going to give the point to Skoob.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 11:46 AM
35-1
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 11:46 AM
No, you should just call it a NIGHT game because that's the important part and not talk about home or away whatsoever. That would be the most objective way to ask the question.
That's because you have to associate a night game with a loss to stay behind your wall = a disadvantage to us. It didn't even matter who we are playing, even with Seattle again you have to think it's a disadvantage.
BTW: Would Seattle beat Cleveland in Seattle (Home game not at night) right now??
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 11:49 AM
You basically said, "Just you wait and see." You're actually prefacing the game for a loss and your going to show us after they lose. If you're going to show us, your gloating about calling it ahead of time.
Are we clear now??
No, it's not clear because it hasn't happened yet. You're making an assumption for something that may or may not happen 6 weeks from now. Your entire argument is based on a hypothetical.
Yeah Op explain yourself or I am going to give the point to Skoob.
see above
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 11:50 AM
SKOOBY 4 - OP 0
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 11:52 AM
No, it's not clear because it hasn't happened yet. You're making an assumption for something that may or may not happen 6 weeks from now. Your entire argument is based on a hypothetical.
If your going to show us something and you said it's a disadvantage (the only person who thought that), what is it you where going to show us?? A win or a loss ??
1-36 now.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 11:52 AM
That's because you have to associate a night game with a loss to stay behind your wall = a disadvantage to us. It didn't even matter who we are playing, even with Seattle again you have to think it's a disadvantage.
BTW: Would Seattle beat Cleveland in Seattle (Home game not at night) right now??
Skooby, it's not MY wall.
This team has struggled in night games. That's a FACT. You're trying to personalize it to ME rather than addressing the reality of how poorly this team performed in their last two night games.
And no, it doesn't matter who we are playing until this team demonstrates that they can handle the pressure of playing a night game. So far, they haven't done that.
I haven't paid any attention to Seattle since we beat them so I really don't know how they match up with Cleveland right now.
DraftBoy
10-08-2008, 11:58 AM
36-2
Mainly because you're all being a bunch of dicks, the poll is stupid to begin with because the phrasing is brutal, plus the results are going to be bias because this is a Bills board.
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 11:58 AM
Skooby, it's not MY wall. (Yes it is)
This team has struggled in night games. That's a FACT. You're trying to personalize it to ME rather than addressing the reality of how poorly this team performed in their last two night games. (this team has not played a night game & has a 4-1 record which is this opposite of all of our recent starts dating back 16 years)
And no, it doesn't matter who we are playing until this team demonstrates that they can handle the pressure of playing a night game. So far, they haven't done that. (Yes it does matter who we are playing, you pointed out ease of schedule has alot to do with how many we have won but now it doesn't matter??, Hello Denial is calling)
I haven't paid any attention to Seattle since we beat them so I really don't know how they match up with Cleveland right now. (Fair but we killed Seattle this year & in any other previous year of the last 5, I would safely say Seattle trumps the Browns a majority of the time)
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 12:00 PM
36-2
Mainly because you're all being a bunch of dicks, the poll is stupid to begin with because the phrasing is brutal, plus the results are going to be bias because this is a Bills board.
So you voted the opposite to prove a point about us being right?? That means you made yourself wrong to spite us, now that's a whole different clinical diagnosis entirely.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 12:02 PM
Skooby, it's not MY wall. (Yes it is)
This team has struggled in night games. That's a FACT. You're trying to personalize it to ME rather than addressing the reality of how poorly this team performed in their last two night games. (this team has not played a night game & has a 4-1 record which is this opposite of all of our recent starts dating back 16 years)
And no, it doesn't matter who we are playing until this team demonstrates that they can handle the pressure of playing a night game. So far, they haven't done that. (Yes it does matter who we are playing, you pointed out ease of schedule has alot to do with how many we have won but now it doesn't matter??, Hello Denial is calling)
I haven't paid any attention to Seattle since we beat them so I really don't know how they match up with Cleveland right now. (Fair but we killed Seattle this year & in any other previous year of the last 5, I would safely say Seattle trumps the Browns a majority of the time)
You're neglecting the matchup factor and the night game factor when you talk about ease of schedule.
The team that lost the two night games last year was PRACTICALLY THE SAME as the one that that we have this year. Just because they proved they could get off to a fast start against weak teams does NOT prove they can win a night game. They're two different things.
The only thing that is in denial here is you accepting the fact that this team hasn't proven they can win under pressure. Until they prove it, it's unreasonable to believe that they can.
DraftBoy
10-08-2008, 12:02 PM
So you voted the opposite to prove a point about us being right?? That means you made yourself wrong to spite us, now that's a whole different clinical diagnosis.
No, I voted opposite because the trend supports a no vote.
You really dont want to try and take jabs about clinical diagnosis here, you have no room to talk at all.
74k fans cheering for your team is a clear advantage day or night. They don't call it "The 12th Man" for nothing.
Last years game may have been the loudest I have ever heard it in the Ralph.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 12:10 PM
36-2
Mainly because you're all being a bunch of dicks, the poll is stupid to begin with because the phrasing is brutal, plus the results are going to be bias because this is a Bills board.
LOL of course!!! Not because we are wrong it must be pointed out, but because we are dicks.
The phrasing is exact fact, not sure how that makes it brutal....
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 12:10 PM
You're neglecting the matchup factor and the night game factor when you talk about ease of schedule. (this must be a formula factor I am not familiar with, can you find me legitimate expert opinion please?)
The team that lost the two night games last year was PRACTICALLY THE SAME as the one that that we have this year. Just because they proved they could get off to a fast start against weak teams does NOT prove they can win a night game. They're two different things. (Did we have the same starting QB, a pro-bowl left tackle, Stroud, Mitchell, Johnson, Hardy, a happy Lee Evans??)
The only thing that is in denial here is you accepting the fact that this team hasn't proven they can win under pressure. Until they prove it, it's unreasonable to believe that they can. (Yeah, trent has a 136 QB rating in the 4th quarter / outscoring opponents 45-10 as well and we kicked a FG with no time on the clock and came back against the Jags in a oven away game, no pressure there at all.)
The only thing that is in denial here is you accepting the fact that this team hasn't proven they can win under pressure. Until they prove it, it's unreasonable to believe that they can.
3 come from behind victories is proving they can win under pressure.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 12:11 PM
74k fans cheering for your team is a clear advantage day or night. They don't call it "The 12th Man" for nothing.
Last years game may have been the loudest I have ever heard it in the Ralph.
thank you for proving my point about the skewed question.
It's not the home game that's a problem. it's the NIGHT game. Did 74,000 screaming fans help against Dallas last year? What about Denver in 2006?
When more people are watching, this team just finds a way to embarrass itself. That's why I dread night games.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 12:11 PM
No, I voted opposite because the trend supports a no vote.
You really dont want to try and take jabs about clinical diagnosis here, you have no room to talk at all.
So the trend supports there being another person who doesn't know what they are talking about? :idunno:
DraftBoy
10-08-2008, 12:12 PM
So the trend supports there being another person who doesn't know what they are talking about? :idunno:
You do know how trend's work correct?
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 12:12 PM
3 come from behind victories is proving they can win under pressure.
it's not the same as a night game with the entire country watching the whole game. They put together 1 drive under pressure in the fourth quarter- it's not the same as having to come out and play a full game under pressure, especially when this team has only put together one complete game all season so far.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 12:14 PM
You do know how trend's work correct?
Nope as you know I barely could tie my shoes before I left for work this morning. I am sure you are going to enlighten us all though.... :rockon:
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 12:15 PM
You do know how trend's work correct?
Since you come on here with other people's answer unknown to start with, there is no trend for you to see. You answer the question blindly until you answer it, no chance for trend there.
No one can follow along with a unknown response from everyone else but thanks for trying.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 12:17 PM
37 thoughtful people - 2 Incorrect people....
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 12:18 PM
You're neglecting the matchup factor and the night game factor when you talk about ease of schedule. (this must be a formula factor I am not familiar with, can you find me legitimate expert opinion please?)
The team that lost the two night games last year was PRACTICALLY THE SAME as the one that that we have this year. Just because they proved they could get off to a fast start against weak teams does NOT prove they can win a night game. They're two different things. (Did we have the same starting QB, a pro-bowl left tackle, Stroud, Mitchell, Johnson, Hardy, a ahppy Lee Evans??)
The only thing that is in denial here is you accepting the fact that this team hasn't proven they can win under pressure. Until they prove it, it's unreasonable to believe that they can. (Yeah, trent has a 136 QB rating in the 4th quarter / outscoring opponents 45-10 as well and we kicked a FG with no time on the clock and came back against the Jags in a oven away game, no pressure there at all.)
Did you not see the Cards' big receivers eat us alive? It really doesn't take expert opinion. But it's irrelevant, because any expert who says anything bad about the Bills is dismissed on this board anyway.
Yes, we had the same starting QB. We didn't have Stroud, Mitchell or Johnson, but those 3 were easily neutralized last week. We didn't have Hardy but he hasn't done **** yet, and assuming that Lee Evans will play better because he's happier is just absurd.
Playing well under pressure for one quarter a game is NOT the same as playing well under pressure for an ENTIRE GAME IN THE NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT, especially when the team has only put together one complete game all season.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 12:18 PM
37 thoughtful people - 2 Incorrect people....
37 blind homers, 2 people who actually looked at the data and the trends.
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 12:19 PM
37 thoughtful people - 2 Incorrect people....
37 Normal people, 1 with self-confidence issues / self-defense mechanisms ever present & 1 that wanted to be a dick to the dicks.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 12:19 PM
37 Normal people, 1 with self-confidence issues & one that wanted to be a dick to the dicks.
Skooby 5 - Op 0
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 12:24 PM
Did you not see the Cards' big receivers eat us alive? It really doesn't take expert opinion. But it's irrelevant, because any expert who says anything bad about the Bills is dismissed on this board anyway. (1 game versus 4 games of success)
Yes, we had the same starting QB. We didn't have Stroud, Mitchell or Johnson, but those 3 were easily neutralized last week. We didn't have Hardy but he hasn't done **** yet, and assuming that Lee Evans will play better because he's happier is just absurd. (We're they neutralized the first 4 games we won in a row??)
Playing well under pressure for one quarter a game is NOT the same as playing well under pressure for an ENTIRE GAME IN THE NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT, especially when the team has only put together one complete game all season. (True but it was almost Dark & was raining that first home game we won by alot & every NFL team is under a spotlight ever week with Millions of viewers)
Thurm, If you are going to keep score, keep it on all the points that I am correcting not just the post please.
37 blind homers, 2 people who actually looked at the data and the trends.
OP, you're focusing on one flawed game without mentioning the trend of the other 4. We blew out 2 teams had 3 combacks, even last second FG's to win it. You mention trends as a reference but cannot follow one yourself. DB wanted to be a dick to the Dicks only, he was not thinking trends like you so you're riding alone.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 12:27 PM
Did you not see the Cards' big receivers eat us alive? It really doesn't take expert opinion. But it's irrelevant, because any expert who says anything bad about the Bills is dismissed on this board anyway. (1 game versus 4 games of success)
Yes, we had the same starting QB. We didn't have Stroud, Mitchell or Johnson, but those 3 were easily neutralized last week. We didn't have Hardy but he hasn't done **** yet, and assuming that Lee Evans will play better because he's happier is just absurd. (We're they neutralized the first 4 games we won in a row??)
Playing well under pressure for one quarter a game is NOT the same as playing well under pressure for an ENTIRE GAME IN THE NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT, especially when the team has only put together one complete game all season. (True but it was almost Dark & was raining that first home game we won by alot & every NFL team is under a spotlight ever week with Millions of viewers)
Thurm, If you are going to keep score, keep it on all the points that I am correcting not just the post please.
Saying "4 games of success" is a huge exaggeration. Yes, we won, but we did not play well in 3 of those 4 victories. How we won doesn't matter in the standings, but it does matter when figuring how the team will do for the rest of the season. You can't see past the W because that would mean acknowledging poor performance on the part of the Bills.
They weren't entirely neutralized but they weren't all effective in all 4 games either.
The first home game was at 1 pm. It wasn't "almost dark." That's just ridiculous. And Buffalo is a relatively small market. There are infinitely more people watching the Bills during a night game than there are during an average Sunday afternoon game that's only even available to two regions of the country (Buffalo and the opponents' home market). Check the ratings if you don't believe me.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 12:30 PM
OP, you're focusing on one flawed game without mentioning the trend of the other 4. You mention trends as a reference but cannot follow one yourself.
The trends of the other 4 are offset by 1) how we played in some of those wins, which you refuse to acknowledge, 2) the fact that our D hadn't been exposed by Arizona yet 3) the matchup problems that Edwards and Winslow present and 4) the larger, longer-standing trend of the Bills struggling in night games and under pressure situations.
You see the current trend as "winning" but it's not. It's playing poorly and squeaking out wins against bad teams while losing to decent ones. Considering the two trends are barely beating bad teams and losing in night games, losing to a bad team in Cleveland in a night game is very reasonable.
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 12:34 PM
Saying "4 games of success" is a huge exaggeration. Yes, we won, but we did not play well in 3 of those 4 victories. How we won doesn't matter in the standings, but it does matter when figuring how the team will do for the rest of the season. You can't see past the W because that would mean acknowledging poor performance on the part of the Bills. (How do you measure success in the NFL from anything but winning ??)
They weren't entirely neutralized but they weren't all effective in all 4 games either. (Winning is effective enough for me, we're you looking for a different result perhaps?)
The first home game was at 1 pm. It wasn't "almost dark." That's just ridiculous. And Buffalo is a relatively small market. There are infinitely more people watching the Bills during a night game than there are during an average Sunday afternoon game that's only even available to two regions of the country (Buffalo and the opponents' home market). Check the ratings if you don't believe me. (We are a small market because of the size of our region, Millions watch our games from all around the world. We even have people from Ireland on here for god sakes)
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 12:42 PM
The trends of the other 4 are offset by 1) how we played in some of those wins, which you refuse to acknowledge, 2) the fact that our D hadn't been exposed by Arizona yet 3) the matchup problems that Edwards and Winslow present and 4) the larger, longer-standing trend of the Bills struggling in night games and under pressure situations.
You see the current trend as "winning" but it's not. It's playing poorly and squeaking out wins against bad teams while losing to decent ones. Considering the two trends are barely beating bad teams and losing in night games, losing to a bad team in Cleveland in a night game is very reasonable.
One trend I see is you put up a great wall of china wall to protect yourself from all possible negative outcomes. I want you to look at this SB winning team that was predicted to go 8-8 to start the season and tell me how the year went. They get killed at home by 23 points game 2 of the season, then get killed at home again by 24 points by the Vikes after a great run. What happened??
Teams lose dude, getting killed by another team in one game does not a season make. It just happens and the quicker you shrug it off, the better you'll be. We win 4 games and get killed away none the less and now we are screwed and you'll show us how the Browns at NIGHT have an advantage??
Give me a freaking break and see a shrink man, you need help.
P.S. This was the giants from last year and yeah, they got to pop Dallas, GB & NE in the *** during the playoffs / SB for beating them up in the regular season. I wouldn't mind poking Washington or Dallas in the ear in Tampa come the SB, that would be so sweet.
Team Games & Schedule
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onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="6">6</TD><TD>Mon</TD><TD align=left csk="2007-10-15">October 15</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200710150atl.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>4-2</TD><TD align=right>@</TD><TD align=left>Atlanta Falcons (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/atl/2007.htm)</TD><TD align=right>31</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>28</TD><TD align=right>491</TD><TD align=right>303</TD><TD align=right>188</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right>284</TD><TD align=right>181</TD><TD align=right>103</TD><TD align=right>1</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="7">7</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="2007-10-21">October 21</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200710210nyg.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>5-2</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>San Francisco 49ers (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/2007.htm)</TD><TD align=right>33</TD><TD align=right>15</TD><TD align=right>21</TD><TD align=right>279</TD><TD align=right>139</TD><TD align=right>140</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>20</TD><TD align=right>267</TD><TD align=right>164</TD><TD align=right>103</TD><TD align=right>4</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="8">8</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="2007-10-28">October 28</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200710280mia.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>6-2</TD><TD align=right>@</TD><TD align=left>Miami Dolphins (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/2007.htm)</TD><TD align=right>13</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>238</TD><TD align=right>49</TD><TD align=right>189</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>18</TD><TD align=right>245</TD><TD align=right>119</TD><TD align=right>126</TD><TD align=right>2</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="8.8">9</TD><TD></TD><TD align=left></TD><TD align=middle></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=middle></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>Bye Week</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="9">10</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="2007-11-11">November 11</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200711110nyg.htm)</TD><TD align=right>L</TD><TD align=middle>6-3</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>Dallas Cowboys (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2007.htm)</TD><TD align=right>20</TD><TD align=right>31</TD><TD align=right>23</TD><TD align=right>300</TD><TD align=right>194</TD><TD align=right>106</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>323</TD><TD align=right>243</TD><TD align=right>80</TD><TD align=right>1</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="10">11</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="2007-11-18">November 18</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200711180det.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>7-3</TD><TD align=right>@</TD><TD align=left>Detroit Lions (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/2007.htm)</TD><TD align=right>16</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>341</TD><TD align=right>269</TD><TD align=right>72</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>17</TD><TD align=right>376</TD><TD align=right>351</TD><TD align=right>25</TD><TD align=right>4</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="11">12</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="2007-11-25">November 25</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200711250nyg.htm)</TD><TD align=right>L</TD><TD align=middle>7-4</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>Minnesota Vikings (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/2007.htm)</TD><TD align=right>17</TD><TD align=right>41</TD><TD align=right>18</TD><TD align=right>309</TD><TD align=right>234</TD><TD align=right>75</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>15</TD><TD align=right>251</TD><TD align=right>124</TD><TD align=right>127</TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="12">13</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="2007-12-02">December 2</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200712020chi.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>8-4</TD><TD align=right>@</TD><TD align=left>Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2007.htm)</TD><TD align=right>21</TD><TD align=right>16</TD><TD align=right>24</TD><TD align=right>356</TD><TD align=right>181</TD><TD align=right>175</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>18</TD><TD align=right>312</TD><TD align=right>244</TD><TD align=right>68</TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="13">14</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="2007-12-09">December 9</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200712090phi.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>9-4</TD><TD align=right>@</TD><TD align=left>Philadelphia Eagles (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2007.htm)</TD><TD align=right>16</TD><TD align=right>13</TD><TD align=right>15</TD><TD align=right>318</TD><TD align=right>207</TD><TD align=right>111</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>18</TD><TD align=right>306</TD><TD align=right>165</TD><TD align=right>141</TD><TD align=right>1</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="14">15</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="2007-12-16">December 16</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200712160nyg.htm)</TD><TD align=right>L</TD><TD align=middle>9-5</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>Washington Redskins (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/2007.htm)</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>22</TD><TD align=right>20</TD><TD align=right>307</TD><TD align=right>168</TD><TD align=right>139</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right>309</TD><TD align=right>156</TD><TD align=right>153</TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="15">16</TD><TD>Sun</TD><TD align=left csk="2007-12-23">December 23</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200712230buf.htm)</TD><TD align=right>W</TD><TD align=middle>10-5</TD><TD align=right>@</TD><TD align=left>Buffalo Bills (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2007.htm)</TD><TD align=right>38</TD><TD align=right>21</TD><TD align=right>17</TD><TD align=right>383</TD><TD align=right>94</TD><TD align=right>289</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>16</TD><TD align=right>244</TD><TD align=right>127</TD><TD align=right>117</TD><TD align=right>4</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="16">17</TD><TD>Sat</TD><TD align=left csk="2007-12-29">December 29</TD><TD align=middle>box (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200712290nyg.htm)</TD><TD align=right>L</TD><TD align=middle>10-6</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left>New England Patriots (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2007.htm)</TD><TD align=right>35</TD><TD align=right>38</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>316</TD><TD align=right>237</TD><TD align=right>79</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>27</TD><TD align=right>390</TD><TD align=right>346</TD><TD align=right>44</TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); 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THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 12:50 PM
38 - 2!!!
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 12:59 PM
Saying "4 games of success" is a huge exaggeration. Yes, we won, but we did not play well in 3 of those 4 victories. How we won doesn't matter in the standings, but it does matter when figuring how the team will do for the rest of the season. You can't see past the W because that would mean acknowledging poor performance on the part of the Bills. (How do you measure success in the NFL from anything but winning ??)
They weren't entirely neutralized but they weren't all effective in all 4 games either. (Winning is effective enough for me, we're you looking for a different result perhaps?)
The first home game was at 1 pm. It wasn't "almost dark." That's just ridiculous. And Buffalo is a relatively small market. There are infinitely more people watching the Bills during a night game than there are during an average Sunday afternoon game that's only even available to two regions of the country (Buffalo and the opponents' home market). Check the ratings if you don't believe me. (We are a small market because of the size of our region, Millions watch our games from all around the world. We even have people from Ireland on here for god sakes)
We're not measuring success. We're trying to anticipate future success. It's two different things.
Winning is fine- but you have to look at it and say "can we win the rest of our games playing like this?" You don't want to do that because it means acknowledging poor performance.
One guy from Ireland doesn't prove that millions around the world watch our games. Millions of people watch afternoon games. Tens of millions watch night games. This isn't even a point you can argue- the ratings have already proven it.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 01:02 PM
39-2!!!!
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 01:04 PM
One trend I see is you put up a great wall of china wall to protect yourself from all possible negative outcomes. I want you to look at this SB winning team that was predicted to go 8-8 to start the season and tell me how the year went. They get killed at home by 23 points game 2 of the season, then get killed at home again by 24 points by the Vikes after a great run. What happened??
Teams lose dude, getting killed by another team in one game does not a season make. It just happens and the quicker you shrug it off, the better you'll be. We win 4 games and get killed away none the less and now we are screwed and you'll show us how the Browns at NIGHT have an advantage??
Give me a freaking break and see a shrink man, you need help.
P.S. This was the giants from last year and yeah, they got to pop Dallas, GB & NE in the *** during the playoffs / SB for beating them up in the regular season. I wouldn't mind poking Washington or Dallas in the ear in Tampa come the SB, that would be so sweet.
Don't care what the Giants did- it has nothing to do with our team.
How am I protecting myself from all possible negative outcomes when all I'm doing is talking about negative outcomes? That doesn't even make sense.
For the record, I wrote that night game off as a loss as soon as I saw the schedule. The loss and exposure by Arizona only makes it more likely. You think this is all about overreacting to a loss. It's not. It's about how this team has performed all season long and their history in night games.
I need help because I'm frustrated that my team always manages to embarrass itself playing at night in front of a national audience? That's just ridiculous.
I should see a shrink? That won't help anything. The problem is that you've been seeing a shrink and now you're convinced that everything is a root of some psychological problem instead of your inability to see reality.
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 01:18 PM
Never been to a doctor for mental health but I can recognize issues like yours pretty easily. One minute you're frustrated and then you said you let it go, which is it?? It's the feeling that fits your need to hide at that time or confuse. You've been called out and there is nothing further to add.
P.S All teams get embarrassed here and there, it's part of being a NFL team and having your team crap themselves here & there.
P.S.S. You gloated about your self defense mechanism in this post, can another person highlight the point In which he did it?? Thanks.
Don't care what the Giants did- it has nothing to do with our team.
How am I protecting myself from all possible negative outcomes when all I'm doing is talking about negative outcomes? That doesn't even make sense.
For the record, I wrote that night game off as a loss as soon as I saw the schedule. The loss and exposure by Arizona only makes it more likely. You think this is all about overreacting to a loss. It's not. It's about how this team has performed all season long and their history in night games.
I need help because I'm frustrated that my team always manages to embarrass itself playing at night in front of a national audience? That's just ridiculous.
I should see a shrink? That won't help anything. The problem is that you've been seeing a shrink and now you're convinced that everything is a root of some psychological problem instead of your inability to see reality.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 01:27 PM
Never been to a doctor for mental health but I can recognize issues like yours pretty easily. One minute you're frustrated and then you said you let it go, which is it?? It's the feeling that fits your need to hide at that time or confuse. You've been called out and there is nothing further to add.
P.S All teams get embarrassed here and there, it's part of being a NFL team and having your team crap themselves here & there.
P.S.S. You gloated about your self defense mechanism in this post, can another person highlight the point In which he did it?? Thanks.
when did I say "let it go"? You're making stuff up to fit this fake psychological paradigm you invented.
BTW, aren't you a realtor? How does that in any way make you qualified to judge people's psychological state, specifically with limited information over an internet message board?
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 01:28 PM
39-2!!!!
39-3- so there!
raphael120
10-08-2008, 01:31 PM
Uh...dont know how this thread turned into Psychology 101...but here's Facts Since 2003 101:
WE TAKE HUGE ****S ON THE FIELD IN PRIMETIME GAMES
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 01:31 PM
Uh...dont know how this thread turned into Psychology 101...but here's Facts Since 2003 101:
WE TAKE HUGE ****S ON THE FIELD IN PRIMETIME GAMES
you just think that's a fact. It's really a psychological defense mechanism that you invented because you can't deal with the stress of the Bills winning.
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 01:33 PM
39-3- so there!
Is there a trend to agree with you, is this what you are pointing out?
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 01:35 PM
you just think that's a fact. It's really a psychological defense mechanism that you invented because you can't deal with the stress of the Bills winning.
You SDM's are to compensate for the Bills potentially losing.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 01:37 PM
You SDM's are to compensate for the Bills potentially losing.
but if all I talk about is the Bills losing, and I'm still disappointed and pissed when the Bills lose (as my posts clearly show), then I didn't defend myself from anything. That's why your whole SDM theory is bull****.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 01:38 PM
Uh...dont know how this thread turned into Psychology 101...but here's Facts Since 2003 101:
WE TAKE HUGE ****S ON THE FIELD IN PRIMETIME GAMES
Thats not the question though. Is it a disadvantage to be home rather than on the road for this game. You believe it would be more adventageous for the Bills to be playing this game in Cleveland. I don't agree.
raphael120
10-08-2008, 01:40 PM
you just think that's a fact. It's really a psychological defense mechanism that you invented because you can't deal with the stress of the Bills winning.
Well there IS such a thing as Buffalo sports fan mentality...and it is a product of the teams we root for. It's not a mental deficiency. Just like if everytime you watched the Bills you got kicked in the nuts by a midget 75% of the time, you'd be waiting for a midget to come kick you in the nuts almost everygame
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 01:41 PM
Thats not the question though. Is it a disadvantage to be home rather than on the road for this game. You believe it would be more adventageous for the Bills to be playing this game in Cleveland. I don't agree.
you changed the question, jackass.
I will admit that it's more clear now.
raphael120
10-08-2008, 01:41 PM
Thats not the question though. Is it a disadvantage to be home rather than on the road for this game. You believe it would be more adventageous for the Bills to be playing this game in Cleveland. I don't agree.
Here's a better question. Since when have the Bills ever seemed to hold an advantage at home?
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 01:42 PM
you changed the question, jackass.
I will admit that it's more clear now.
I have not changed the title of this thread EVER. What are you talking about?
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 01:42 PM
Here's a better question. Since when have the Bills ever seemed to hold an advantage at home?
Since 1988
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 01:45 PM
when did I say "let it go"? You're making stuff up to fit this fake psychological paradigm you invented.
I wrote that game off / means you let it before the season started. If you "write it off" than your frustrated means you didn't write it off, so it's contradictory. You must have your own language or something.
BTW, aren't you a realtor? How does that in any way make you qualified to judge people's psychological state, specifically with limited information over an internet message board?
You have no idea the level of real estate I deal with and the complexities involved today. The people that have unlimited money are bat **** crazy and make Kini / Mybills look like Walter Kronkite, LOL. I have to know what I am dealing with, all the time or else my *** is grass. One local realtor jammed a big group from NJ, needless to say he took a one way kayak ride into the Atlantic l.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 01:46 PM
I have not changed the title of this thread EVER. What are you talking about?
The title of the thread is different from the question in the actual poll. It's confusing and misleading.
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 01:53 PM
but if all I talk about is the Bills losing, and I'm still disappointed and pissed when the Bills lose (as my posts clearly show), then I didn't defend myself from anything. That's why your whole SDM theory is bull****.
There are different levels of disappointment you know, thanks to assuming the loss you never go that deep into it. I'm sure you been there, took pictures and never want to go back henceforth your SDM's.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 01:57 PM
There are different levels of disappointment you know, thanks to assuming the loss you never go that deep into it. I'm sure you been there, took pictures and never want to go back henceforth your SDM's.
so, I put all this energy into it just so I can be slightly less disappointed? That's a really weak argument.
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 01:57 PM
The title of the thread is different from the question in the actual poll. It's confusing and misleading.
Are you saying you would like to change your answer?? Where is this trend going to lead us??
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 01:58 PM
The title of the thread is different from the question in the actual poll. It's confusing and misleading.
Because I actually mentioned the Team's name in the Poll question? Other than that it is exactly the same.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 01:59 PM
Are you saying you would like to change your answer?? Where is this trend going to lead us??
you mean I might answer two DIFFERENT questions DIFFERENTLY? WOW, I must be a real psychological disaster!!!!!!!!
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 02:01 PM
you mean I might answer two DIFFERENT questions DIFFERENTLY? WOW, I must be a real psychological disaster!!!!!!!!
They really are the exact same question. You knew what game was being talked about and really I feel it doesn't matter what team we are playing a home MNF game is an advantage for the Bills. If you were unsure of that why didn't you just ask?
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 02:02 PM
Because I actually mentioned the Team's name in the Poll question? Other than that it is exactly the same.
Poll question:
Is it a disadvantage to be Home vs the Browns Monday night?
Thread title:
Is is a Disadvantage for the Bills to have a home Monday Night Football game?
The title implies that you are asking if a MNF game is a disadvantage.
The poll implies that you are asking if a HOME game is a disadvantage.
Of course a home game isn't a disadvantage- it never is. An MNF game- home or away- is a different story entirely.
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 02:36 PM
"disadvantage, home , monday night??"
No, no, no. How can this taken any other way??
You defended your point to start with and now you are pointing a fingers at Thurm's grammar?? Give me a break.
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 02:38 PM
"disadvantage, home , monday night??"
No, no, no. How can this taken any other way??
You defended your point to start with and now you are pointing a fingers at Thurm's grammar?? Give me a break.
First of all, it's not grammar. It's an entirely different question.
Second, Thurm's question and my point have nothing to do with each other. My point about the night games holds true even if Thurm's question is "how many craters are on the moon?" and I never stopped defending it.
I apologize for discussing two different topics at once. Apparently your brain can't handle it.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 03:21 PM
"disadvantage, home , monday night??"
No, no, no. How can this taken any other way??
You defended your point to start with and now you are pointing a fingers at Thurm's grammar?? Give me a break.
seriously if it was so off how did everyone else understand?
OpIv37
10-08-2008, 03:34 PM
seriously if it was so off how did everyone else understand?
you assume they understood because they answered. You have no idea which question they were answering.
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 03:39 PM
seriously if it was so off how did everyone else understand?
Clarify it better next time Thurm, only 93% of us understood this. LOL.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 04:06 PM
you assume they understood because they answered. You have no idea which question they were answering.
The questions are the same in essence. One is alluding to a specific team on Monday night, one Monday night in general. I apologize for forgeting to put the word Browns in the title of the thread.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 04:07 PM
Clarify it better next time Thurm, only 93% of us understood this. LOL.
Well to be fair Draftboy also understood but voted incorrectly because we were being "dicks" remember?
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 04:22 PM
The questions are the same in essence. One is alluding to a specific team on Monday night, one Monday night in general. I apologize for forgeting to put the word Browns in the title of the thread.
All those Monday night games we have this year can get confusing you know.
Mitchy moo
10-08-2008, 04:23 PM
Well to be fair Draftboy also understood but voted incorrectly because we were being "dicks" remember?
He sure showed us, LOL.
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 04:29 PM
He sure showed us, LOL.
Oh yeah he did!!! :rolleyes:
THATHURMANATOR
10-08-2008, 05:47 PM
43-3!!!!
Lexwhat
10-09-2008, 02:35 AM
Wow, this was the first time I opened this thread...
That vote count is pretty lopsided.
Mitchy moo
10-09-2008, 06:23 AM
Wow, this was the first time I opened this thread...
That vote count is pretty lopsided.
Like Thurm said, he'll try to make it clearer next time to not confuse anyone, LOL.
THATHURMANATOR
10-09-2008, 07:41 AM
Lexwhat do you need me to clarify the question for you? I know Op couldn't understand it. PM me.
Lexwhat
10-09-2008, 11:43 AM
Like Thurm said, he'll try to make it clearer next time to not confuse anyone, LOL.
lol, there are too many posts in this thread, so I'm not really sure what all the discussion was about...
THATHURMANATOR
10-09-2008, 12:18 PM
lol, there are too many posts in this thread, so I'm not really sure what all the discussion was about...
Really it just boils down to OP being wrong again and not being able to admit it......AGAIN.
OpIv37
10-09-2008, 12:23 PM
Really it just boils down to OP being wrong again and not being able to admit it......AGAIN.
First of all, I'm not wrong. MNF Games ARE a disadvantage for this team until they prove they can win one. It's as simple as that.
Second, even if I am wrong, the game hasn't been played yet so we won't know until after the game.
THATHURMANATOR
10-09-2008, 12:38 PM
First of all, I'm not wrong. MNF Games ARE a disadvantage for this team until they prove they can win one. It's as simple as that.
Second, even if I am wrong, the game hasn't been played yet so we won't know until after the game.
See Lex.....
THATHURMANATOR
10-09-2008, 03:56 PM
44-4!!!!
The last buffalo fan
10-09-2008, 05:56 PM
Do we have a Monday night game this season?
SeatownBillsFan21
10-09-2008, 11:14 PM
Its not good 4 any team to have to move just glad the bills r still in buffalo football always comes 1st
THATHURMANATOR
10-10-2008, 07:36 AM
47-4!!!!!
Lexwhat
11-10-2008, 02:54 PM
:ill:
gr8slayer
11-10-2008, 02:56 PM
May be a disadvantage this week.
OpIv37
11-10-2008, 03:05 PM
May be a disadvantage this week.
at this point, what isn't a disadvantage to the Bills?
Seriously, as pessimistic as I've been about this team, even I didn't think they'd go 0-3 through that division stretch.
THATHURMANATOR
11-10-2008, 03:10 PM
We will win Monday.
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