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patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 04:33 PM

10-14-2008, 04:34 PM

So if the great Bill Polian is willing to trade draft picks for McCargo, does this mean we're making a mistake?

Mr. Pink

10-14-2008, 04:34 PM

Why do some of our busts on the Dline end up in Indy? I'm surprised that Anderson didn't land there.

We took their garbage DT - Triplett now they can take ours.

Poetic Justice.

Kind of.

raphael120

10-14-2008, 04:35 PM

Don't understand this move...we traded up to get him, whatever the draft pick was...don't think it's worth it...we must have really not liked McCargo.

justasportsfan

10-14-2008, 04:35 PM

the mistake was thinking that light DT's is the way to go. We obviously went away from that. I wouldn't call McCargo a bust just yet if Polian is behind this decision.

rcd333

10-14-2008, 04:36 PM

i just got the text.
cant tell if its a good deal or not.
any speculation on what the pick would be?

theanswer74

10-14-2008, 04:36 PM

Why???? Why now?

What if Williams or Spencer go down?

I dont like this at all. Yes, he's a "bust" but he's the 4th best DT on the team, what if we run into injuries.

We dump a guy on the roster for an undisclosed pick, and dont trade for a TE with a track record as good as any to ever play the game.

I'd be all for dumping him after the season, but why now??

Are the Bills 4-1, or 1-4 this year?
If McCargo was our starting DT, we would have been screwed. He creates bigger hols for RB's then Steve Hutchinson.

I wonder who takes the roster spot though.

raphael120

10-14-2008, 04:36 PM

So who do we then sign into his roster spot...

If we got anything less than a 3rd rounder...I'll be pissed...I think we used a first and a 3rd for McCargo.

justasportsfan

10-14-2008, 04:37 PM

Don't understand this move...we traded up to get him, whatever the draft pick was...don't think it's worth it...we must have really not liked McCargo.
when we were rebuilding, I think they thought they could go with a cover 2 with light DLmen even up the middle. The Colts are sticking with it, while we are not.

jpdex12

10-14-2008, 04:38 PM

We took their garbage DT - Triplett now they can take ours.

Poetic Justice.

Kind of.

Did Triplett come from Indy or St. Louis? I thought he came from St. Louis and went to Indy after us?

patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 04:38 PM

If McCargo was our starting DT, we would have been screwed. He creates bigger hols for RB's then Steve Hutchinson.

I wonder who takes the roster spot though.
yer last line is my exact point.

Does he suck? Yes. But don't tell me we have a PS squad player or a FA off the street who knows the defense who will be better than him this year.

Why make that kind of move to your depth when you're 4-1?

T-Long

10-14-2008, 04:39 PM

If it was for a 3rd, it was well worth it. If it was anything else, it won't be worth it.

As I told you all before, McCargo works with my best friend in the offseason. I will see any info I can get. He talks with McCargo on a daily basis. I am going to try and get ahold of him right now

raphael120

10-14-2008, 04:40 PM

It's dissapointing because I thought McCargo was coming on strong towards the end of last season.

patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 04:40 PM

There has to be more to this story..

****ty teams dump off guys at the trade deadline. First place teams dont mess with the depth charts for "undisclosed draft picks"

When you're 4-1, you should be a buyer, not a seller.

jimbohastle51

10-14-2008, 04:40 PM

maybe we did make a trade for a player and the mcargo trade was the contingent on it happening....????????

Oldbillsfan

10-14-2008, 04:40 PM

So the Bills got worse at the trading deadline?

justasportsfan

10-14-2008, 04:41 PM

wait til' OP gets a hold of this 411 . It'll be 911 here on BZ

patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 04:42 PM

So the Bills got worse at the trading deadline?
Not when these posters are done spinning it.

Listen, I'm not fan of McCargo at all. But he's a guy on the roster that may or may not be needed later in the season, especially if any of the three DT's above him get hurt.

he if nothing else at least proved last year late he can contribute.

This is a 100% senseless deal to me, unless the draft pick we end up getting was simply too high to refuse.

theanswer74

10-14-2008, 04:43 PM

yer last line is my exact point.

Does he suck? Yes. But don't tell me we have a PS squad player or a FA off the street who knows the defense who will be better than him this year.

Why make that kind of move to your depth when you're 4-1?

I dont think he was much different the Jason jefferson.

I think the Bills need a 4th DT now though, I wonder who they get, maybe they move Denney to the 4th DT and activate Ellis.

Dumping a 4th DT isn't exactly news worthy, so lets calm down.

jimbohastle51

10-14-2008, 04:44 PM

maybe we are getting a TE still. maybe we got a 3rd for him and we are signing a free agent TE like eric johnson or someone with the roster spot??

patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 04:44 PM

What are they going to do, promote Corey Mace?

BAM

10-14-2008, 04:45 PM

Cool that makes sense to me. He's been a major letdown might as well at least get something for him.

justasportsfan

10-14-2008, 04:45 PM

I think now that Parrish is healthy , he will take McCargo's place. The guy is hard for any huge OL to block especially when he crawls under their legs.

jimbohastle51

10-14-2008, 04:45 PM

What are they going to do, promote Corey Mace?

that would be ridiculous

Mr. Pink

10-14-2008, 04:46 PM

I've heard that Ted Washington has been itching to finish off his career as a Buffalo Bill.

And, he's available!

:rofl:

ptd86

10-14-2008, 04:46 PM

We got rid of a guy we were probably going to cut for a draft pick. we basically did nothing before the trade deadline just like everyone in the nfl besides dallas, not a big deal

X-Era

10-14-2008, 04:47 PM

Why???? Why now?

What if Williams or Spencer go down?

I dont like this at all. Yes, he's a "bust" but he's the 4th best DT on the team, what if we run into injuries.

We dump a guy on the roster for an undisclosed pick, and dont trade for a TE with a track record as good as any to ever play the game.

I'd be all for dumping him after the season, but why now??

Are the Bills 4-1, or 1-4 this year?

Because we run a scheme which allows 3 DT's to work just fine. In pass rush situations we sometimes run 3 DE's

Its no loss IMO. He didnt even play in at least one of the games.

I wonder if they have a waiver wire guy in mind

patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 04:47 PM

We got rid of a guy we were probably going to cut for a draft pick. we basically did nothing before the trade deadline just like everyone in the nfl besides dallas, not a big deal
Cut him in the middle of the season?

ptd86

10-14-2008, 04:49 PM

i didnt mean immediately, end of the season. he hasnt even played a snap and people are saying we got worse from depth. We could sign any dt available and were back to being fine

bigbub2352

10-14-2008, 04:50 PM

we better be bringing in someone cause we got 3 DTs and 1 of them is 286lbs, Mace is terrible and sucked in the preseason and was only kept on the roster to promote ticket sales in toronto cause he is canadian
I understand MCCargo is a bust and he sucks , but to mess with depth when you are going on a playoff push and in first place makes no sense
So please let there be a nother move coming signing something

EDS

10-14-2008, 04:50 PM

Because we run a scheme which allows 3 DT's to work just fine. In pass rush situations we sometimes run 3 DE's

Its no loss IMO. He didnt even play in at least one of the games.

I wonder if they have a waiver wire guy in mind

I think the concern is if one of the top 3 DTs get hurt. Of course, if Stroud got hurt the defense would be screwed regardless, so I guess it is a moot point.

Oaf

10-14-2008, 04:52 PM

Shoot man, what an OPPORTUNITY COST that bastard had with that 2nd and 3rd round pick invested in him. That should go down as the worst pick since Williams.

X-Era

10-14-2008, 04:52 PM

I think the concern is if one of the top 3 DTs get hurt. Of course, if Stroud got hurt the defense would be screwed regardless, so I guess it is a moot point.

Bingo!

We couldnt sign a waiver wire guy as good as McCargo?

raphael120

10-14-2008, 04:55 PM

I think it had some part to do with the fact that he sucked...and more to do with he was making first rounder money when he was basically a 4th stringer. This makes sense. Now...to use that money for something that can help us...

I wonder how much money McCargo was scheduled to make this year and next.

EDS

10-14-2008, 04:58 PM

Bingo!

We couldnt sign a waiver wire guy as good as McCargo?

What happened to McCargo? Weren't people talking him up last season as being a player on the rise? Did he regress? How? Or was it just a case of people seeing what they want to see?

It is weird because Williams was awful last year and he started the season off well this year. Interestingly, Justin Bannan is starting for the Ravens. Go figure.

DynaPaul

10-14-2008, 05:02 PM

I don't get it. McCargo had a few bright spots. I didn't think the team was ready to give up on him yet. Guess they were...

FlyingDutchman

10-14-2008, 05:05 PM

I didnt even notice him on the field this year and we're 4-1 so I wont miss him. Might as well get something for him before his stock hits rock bottom and we just end up releasing him.

patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 05:06 PM

Shoot man, what an OPPORTUNITY COST that bastard had with that 2nd and 3rd round pick invested in him. That should go down as the worst pick since Williams.
JP Losman says he begs to differ.

patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 05:08 PM

MOre than anything.. This was a salary dump to recover some of Ralphie's Lee Evans money at the expense of a player that won't make that big a difference.

McCargo didnt do **** for us, but he's freegin Deacon Jones compared to Corey Mace, if that's who we end up promoting.

X-Era

10-14-2008, 05:15 PM

Can anyone confirm?

Mr. Miyagi

10-14-2008, 05:16 PM

If that is true I could give Russ Brandon a big sloppy wet kiss in the mouth.

X-Era

10-14-2008, 05:16 PM

JP Losman says he begs to differ.

Ouch!

I forgot that

We just traded a guy we traded up to get just two years ago... OUCH!

jimbohastle51

10-14-2008, 05:18 PM

that is value.... that is probably what sal sports meant by we would only trade for gonzo if we got a pick from another trade. probably was going to trade mcargo and then swing the trade for gonzo but we didnt get it done in time.

patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 05:19 PM

really?

I'd be mad if we traded a roster player during the season who may end up mattering for anything less than a third.

McCargo might be irrelevent now, but that would change real quick if Johnson or Williams, or God forbid Stroud went down. I dont want to see Corey Mace on the field, ever.

Saratoga Slim

10-14-2008, 05:19 PM

yer last line is my exact point.

Does he suck? Yes. But don't tell me we have a PS squad player or a FA off the street who knows the defense who will be better than him this year.

Why make that kind of move to your depth when you're 4-1?

I'm inclined to agree. Until we see what we got for him, it's hard to really make a good opinion. At first glance, I'm not really that excited about this.

Assuming the compensation was somewhere in the 4-5 range (if Gonzalez could be dealt for a 3, I doubt we got a 3 for our #4 DT) it definately says that our FO did not think he was adding much more to the team than what we can get from a street FA or the PS. Or maybe there's something else going on with the dude that we don't know about. Either way, I find it hard to believe that they'd be so short sighted as to trade him now if they thought he might make a contribution at some point this season.

If we got a 4th-5th rd pick for him, and can pick up a decent FA to serve the 4th DT role, I'll be OK with it. This is one of those where you kinda have to trust the coaches, who see the guy every day and know what he's capable of. He's the 4th DT for a reason.

X-Era

10-14-2008, 05:20 PM

If that is true I could give Russ Brandon a big sloppy wet kiss in the mouth.

OK, great, we got a 4th rounder for dead weight.

But its still a 4th rounder, right now, in this race, it does nothing for us.

Furthermore, what can that pick really get us? The next Derek Fine?

I will feel a whole lot better if we can manage to grab someone with some ability or potential via the waiver wire at DT.

If we dont, we will be waiting until next year to get any return on this move.

Im just focused on now.

patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 05:20 PM

This trade makes me relive the Nick Mangold nightmare in my head once more.

patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 05:21 PM

Would anyone be LESS nervous if he wasnt traded for by someone other than Polian?

patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 05:22 PM

Well apparently today, even though we're 4-1.. The Bills by trading McCargo and not trading for Gonzo are more intent on the future.

What ya gonna do.. We should be used to it by now.

jimbohastle51

10-14-2008, 05:22 PM

bottom line.... we still do need a TE i dont want to hear about fine and shouman and all that.... they are not elite TE's nor would they start for any team in the NFL this year or next. we need to have as many weapons as possible now. this team could not be together that long... the way our FO is we are not going to pay everyone and after next year alot of the young guys will start to be getting near free agency

Confused

10-14-2008, 05:22 PM

woooooo a 4th rounder. crap trade, crap player, crap compensation.

realdealryan

10-14-2008, 05:23 PM

So we didn't offer KC this supposed 4th? Wouldn't that be OBD's way of getting the TG deal done?

patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 05:24 PM

its not a rumor.. its now official.

McCargo for a fourth rounder.

X-Era

10-14-2008, 05:25 PM

Well apparently today, even though we're 4-1.. The Bills by trading McCargo and not trading for Gonzo are more intent on the future.

What ya gonna do.. We should be used to it by now.

Well, I like always focusing on the future, I just hope we make a signing to sure us up for now.

Wheres Michael Haynes, Corey Whats his face (DT), or Booger McFarland

realdealryan

10-14-2008, 05:25 PM

What a football city Buffalo is and Indianapolis ISN'T.

NONE of my Colts fan friends know about this, even now. It isn't on Colts.com at all. All they can talk about on the radio is how hot it was in the sun with the roof open at the Oil Can.....

OpIv37

10-14-2008, 05:25 PM

Well apparently today, even though we're 4-1.. The Bills by trading McCargo and not trading for Gonzo are more intent on the future.

What ya gonna do.. We should be used to it by now.

It's One Bills Drive's MO: keep building for a future that never actually arrives.

patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 05:25 PM

Just seen three reports in last 5 minutes.

we got Indy's 4th rounder for him.

X-Era

10-14-2008, 05:26 PM

Yep:

http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/10/14/bills-trade-mccargo-to-colts/

Man Im good.

X-Era

10-14-2008, 05:27 PM

It's One Bills Drive's MO: keep building for a future that never actually arrives.

Thats a bit farther than I will go. But its possible.

X-Era

10-14-2008, 05:28 PM

Just seen three reports in last 5 minutes.

we got Indy's 4th rounder for him.

You could have just asked me to change the title... :tap:

PECKERWOOD

10-14-2008, 05:28 PM

Hey, Op. Care to second my opinion that McCargo deserves this year's Tim Anderson award?

patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 05:28 PM

merge it.. I dont know how to do that ****

X-Era

10-14-2008, 05:31 PM

Interesting...

I just read a thought from another board that the Bills could move Copeland Bryan inside and bring up Ellis.

I like it!

X-Era

10-14-2008, 05:34 PM

Got er did, now can we merge mod's??

patmoran2006

10-14-2008, 05:34 PM

Well, Marv is still the draft man (Or Modrak, depending on who you talk too) but this was a very bad pick..

shelby

10-14-2008, 05:38 PM

Yes we can....bye bye Mc Cargo!

shelby

10-14-2008, 05:43 PM

While i appreciate the enthusiasm....if you see a thread about a topic, please update the info in the thread as needed rather than starting another thread. It makes less work for the staff.

Thanks!

Mr. Pink

10-14-2008, 05:56 PM

A 4th for that fat useless bum? The move had to be done...if we didn't do it now, we woulda cut him in the offseason in all likelihood.

Getting something instead of nothing is always a positive.

I like it!

Lexwhat

10-14-2008, 06:10 PM

Maybe we'll bring back Tim Anderson now. :-(

theanswer74

10-14-2008, 06:21 PM

Interesting...

I just read a thought from another board that the Bills could move Copeland Bryan inside and bring up Ellis.

I like it!

Byran weighs less than Schobel.

eee1776

10-14-2008, 06:40 PM

Unless they worked out someonme last week that they really liked. I checked with scout .com on available free agents and there isnt'much out there. Did the Packers re-sign Colin Cole?

The Jokeman

10-14-2008, 06:40 PM

Interesting...

I just read a thought from another board that the Bills could move Copeland Bryan inside and bring up Ellis.

I like it!
Copeland's listed at 240 lbs that's small for a DE and miniature for a DT.

Unless they worked out someonme last week that they really liked. I checked with scout .com on available free agents and there isnt'much out there. Did the Packers re-sign Colin Cole?
They sure did, if looking at free agents one name I like and think is available is Alvin McKinney.

eee1776

10-14-2008, 06:43 PM

Joke:
In a suprise Gonzo move the Bills move Jason Peters to DT

The Jokeman

10-14-2008, 06:47 PM

Joke:
In a suprise Gonzo move the Bills move Jason Peters to DT
Nice pun on Tony Gonzalez if intended.

Patti120

10-14-2008, 06:47 PM

As long as the D-line stays healthy this is not a bad deal. McCargo did show flashes of greatness here and there. I hope he turns into a solid player but sucks major a$$ whenever we play Indy!

eee1776

10-14-2008, 06:50 PM

Cris Brown thinks they are going to bring up Corey Mace off the practice squad.

jpdex12

10-14-2008, 09:46 PM

OK, great, we got a 4th rounder for dead weight.

But its still a 4th rounder, right now, in this race, it does nothing for us.

Furthermore, what can that pick really get us? The next Derek Fine?

I will feel a whole lot better if we can manage to grab someone with some ability or potential via the waiver wire at DT.

If we dont, we will be waiting until next year to get any return on this move.

Im just focused on now.

Maybe the next Terrence McGee!

jpdex12

10-14-2008, 09:52 PM

Isn't Rod Coleman formerly of the Falcons still a free agent? There was a pretty good Coleman that was a DT for Atlanta last year but had a falling out and was released. I'm sure he isn't in playing shape now anyway so wasted thought...

yordad

10-14-2008, 10:05 PM

Justin Bannan is starting for the Ravens. Go figure.Wow. :wtf:

TigerJ

10-14-2008, 10:20 PM

Why do some of our busts on the Dline end up in Indy? I'm surprised that Anderson didn't land there.

It's the other way around. Larry Tripplett was drafted by the Colts before he came to Buffalo.

yordad

10-14-2008, 10:21 PM

Would anyone be LESS nervous if he wasnt traded for by someone other than Polian?Yep. If that wasn't the case, I would be convinced he would be done in less then 2 years. Since it is Polian though, I now give McCarg0 50/50 on 2 years.

Did anyone see his river workout? I think it was with Tank Tyler, Corto, and someother players. Anyways, he looked like a tub of fat. Literally. A tub of fat.

THATHURMANATOR

10-14-2008, 10:30 PM

Why???? Why now?

What if Williams or Spencer go down?

I dont like this at all. Yes, he's a "bust" but he's the 4th best DT on the team, what if we run into injuries.

We dump a guy on the roster for an undisclosed pick, and dont trade for a TE with a track record as good as any to ever play the game.

I'd be all for dumping him after the season, but why now??

Are the Bills 4-1, or 1-4 this year?
I would assume they can use Bryan at dt in some situations and now can activate Ellis who they probably think will be more productive.

Saratoga Slim

10-15-2008, 08:43 AM

This trade makes me relive the Nick Mangold nightmare in my head once more.

I hear you on that brotha.

While at the time we were desparate for DT help, and just needed an upgrade at C, this is a classic example of why you have to be very careful drafting for need as opposed to BPA.