Top 10 QB's of past 20 years...

[imbondz]

Top 10 QB's from the past 20 years. What do you think?


10-Dan Fouts
9-Warren Moon
8-Kurt Warner
7-Bret Favre
6-Jim Kelly
5-Steve Young
4-Troy Aikman
3-Dan Marino
2-John Elway
1-Joe Montana

Who'd I leave out?

[Jaydog57]

Originally posted by imbondz
Top 10 QB's from the past 20 years. What do you think?


10-Dan Fouts
9-Warren Moon
8-Kurt Warner
7-Bret Favre
6-Jim Kelly
5-Steve Young
4-Troy Aikman
3-Dan Marino
2-John Elway
1-Joe Montana

Who'd I leave out? I can agree with that, so is Ray Lucas #11?:baghead: :boozer: :baghead:

[PA Season Ticket Holder]

10. David Klingler
9- Todd Marijuanavich
8- Akili Smith
7- Doug Flutie
6- Danny Wuerfel
5- Jim Miller
4- Rob Johnson
3- Quincy Carter
2- Ryan Leaf
1- Billy Joe Hobert

[SoCalBillsFan]

:lol:

[imbondz]

Originally posted by PA Season Ticket Holder
10. David Klingler
9- Todd Marijuanavich
8- Akili Smith
7- Doug Flutie
6- Danny Wuerfel
5- Jim Miller
4- Rob Johnson
3- Quincy Carter
2- Ryan Leaf
1- Billy Joe Hobert


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[Billz_fan]

Originally posted by imbondz
Top 10 QB's from the past 20 years. What do you think?


10-Dan Fouts
9-Warren Moon
8-Kurt Warner
7-Bret Favre
6-Jim Kelly
5-Steve Young
4-Troy Aikman
3-Dan Marino
2-John Elway
1-Joe Montana

Who'd I leave out?

Terry Bradshaw retired in 1983 and is in the hall of fame :up:

I knew I could boot Kurt Warner outta there if I tried :D I just don't think Warner has performed at top level long enough yet to be on that list.

[SoCalBillsFan]

agreed billzfan..when warner was on his game, he was as good as many on the list. but did he do it long enough? tough question.

[imbondz]

I thought about including Terry Bradshaw, but then I'd kick out Dan Fouts before I'd kick out Warner.

Bradshaw's day was in the 70's.


If Warner has one more great season, then would you consider him? It's tough to exclude him because of an injury imo.

[eyedog]

Fouts should be higher on that list, not kicked out.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Originally posted by PA Season Ticket Holder
10. David Klingler
9- Todd Marijuanavich
8- Akili Smith
7- Doug Flutie
6- Danny Wuerfel
5- Jim Miller
4- Rob Johnson
3- Quincy Carter
2- Ryan Leaf
1- Billy Joe Hobert

Don't think I missed that shot at Jim Miller.

PA :chair: EE

[Tatonka]

is it too early to add vick? :D

[The Natrix]

Warren Moon?

The guy couldn't even lead his team to a playoff victory when they were up by 28 or whatever.

[HenryRules]

How is that the offences fault?

If an opposing team scored 56 points in a game, would you blame the offence too?

[The Natrix]

whatever dude, fine...

all I'm saying is I don't think Warren Moon is one of the top 10 QBs of the last 20 years. Take it or leave it.

[Bert102176]

me either Moon was good, but not deserving of that list
how about McNabb or Vick over Moon any day or even Randall Cunningham

[TedMock]

I think McNabb and Vick could eventually be there and I don't know if 2 seasons is enough to justify putting Warner there. Look back at Warren Moon's stats. The man put up great numbers for a long time.

[Ebenezer]

Originally posted by imbondz
Top 10 QB's from the past 20 years. What do you think?


10-Dan Fouts
9-Warren Moon
8-Kurt Warner
7-Bret Favre
6-Jim Kelly
5-Steve Young
4-Troy Aikman
3-Dan Marino
2-John Elway
1-Joe Montana

Who'd I leave out?

your order is a bit skewed..

10-Dan Fouts
9-Warren Moon
8-Kurt Warner
7-Dan Marino
6-Steve Young
5-John Elway
4-Troy Aikman
3-Jim Kelly
2-Bret Favre
1-Joe Montana

[imbondz]

Originally posted by Ebenezer


your order is a bit skewed..

10-Dan Fouts
9-Warren Moon
8-Kurt Warner
7-Dan Marino
6-Steve Young
5-John Elway
4-Troy Aikman
3-Jim Kelly
2-Bret Favre
1-Joe Montana

And this isn't? I'd like to put Jim Kelly first, but that's not true. Kelly over AIkman? Elway? Young? 6 SuperBowl titles to 0.

Warren Moon put up unbelievable stats not to mention how well he played in Canada

| Name | G | Comp Att YD Y/A TD INT | Yards TD |
+-----------------------+-----+----------------------------------+------------+
|Moon,Warren | 208 | 3988 6823 49325 7.2 291 233 | 1736 22


49,325 Yards!! More than Montana.

[Valerie]

Originally posted by Ebenezer

your order is a bit skewed..

10-Dan Fouts
9-Warren Moon
8-Kurt Warner
7-Dan Marino
6-Steve Young
5-John Elway
4-Troy Aikman
3-Jim Kelly
2-Bret Favre
1-Joe Montana
Sorry, Eb, but I don't think that Jim Kelly was a better quarterback than Troy Aikman.

[Billz_fan]

Originally posted by Jaded 7

Sorry, Eb, but I don't think that Jim Kelly was a better quarterback than Troy Aikman.

Says the Cowboy fan :laughter:

[Valerie]

:tongue: But it's true. Troy was awesome in his day! And he's got a few Super Bowl rings to prove it. Unfortunately, Jim doesn't have the jewels to back it up.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Head to head, you have to put Peyton Manning in there somewhere.

Peyton Manning:
4 years
2,226 attempts
1,357 completions (1 comp: 1.64 att)
16,418 yards (12.10 avg yards/comp)
111 TDs (27.75 avg TD/yr)
81 INTs (1 int : 27.48 att)
85.1 Rating

Jim Kelly:
11 years
4,779 attempts
2,874 completions (1 comp : 1.66 att)
35,467 yards (12.34 avg yd/comp)
237 TDs (21.55 avg TD/yr)
175 INTs (1 int : 27.31 att)
84.4 Rating

[Mr. Miyagi]

Oops. The stats above are only through the 2001 season.

[HenryRules]

Peyton needs a few more years before he's on that list ... same thing for Warner, I believe.

I'd put Boomer Esaison on the list (at 10) instead of Warner (with everyone moving up one).

3 good seasons is not enough for me.

[imbondz]

Originally posted by HenryRules
Peyton needs a few more years before he's on that list ... same thing for Warner, I believe.

I'd put Boomer Esaison on the list (at 10) instead of Warner (with everyone moving up one).

3 good seasons is not enough for me.


First of all, no disrespect Sensei Miyagi, but you must be smoking crack to put P.Manning on that list.

Second, Boomer comes in #11, for no reason other than he played for the Bengals. His numbers weren't that great. They don't match Moon, Warners or Fouts.

[HenryRules]

In the late '80s Boomer was amazing. He took the Bengals to the Super Bowl, that should pretty much earn him a spot up there by itself.

You say that Boomer's #'s weren't that great, well here's Boomer's career stats:
2969 of 5205 for 57%
37 920 yards
236 TD's vs. 178 INTs
80.8 rating

Here's Kelly's
2874 of 4779 for 60.1%
35 467 yards
237 TD's vs 175 INTs
84.4 rating

I'd say Kelly's are better, but not by much at all.

And for the 8-year stretch from 86-93, Boomer had a better rating than Kelly 4 times and Kelly had a better rating than Boomer 4 times. Pretty even.

[imbondz]

yeah, I remember liking Boomer alot in the 80's. Especially him to Collinsworth-


But, I still don't think he made the impact that the other 10 guys have in the past 20 years.

[Mr. Miyagi]

If you're going to put Boomer in that category, why not also include Phil Simms?

[Mr. Miyagi]

Originally posted by imbondz



First of all, no disrespect Sensei Miyagi, but you must be smoking crack to put P.Manning on that list.
I didn't much appreciate that comment. If you're going to disagree, please elaborate.

If you say Manning needs to have a few more years under his belt before he can be on the list, then please explain what Kurt Warner is doing there.

[HenryRules]

Phil Simms would be close as well I think, but Boomer led the NFL in passer rating a couple of times and Phil Simms never did.

If my memory is correct, Simms was more of the style of QB that wouldn't lose you a game, but couldn't really win one himself, I don't consider those sort of players worthy of being a top-10 QB. Boomer could win games for you.

[Valerie]

A quarterback isnt' supposed to win games himself. He should win games with the team. Personally, I like Phil Simms much better than Boomer Esaison. And doesn't Phil have at least one Super Bowl ring and Boomer doesn't have any, right?

[Alluro]

Troy Aikman was the same type of player as Simms. He never put up really big numbers...I don't think he should even be on the list. Most QBs in the league could have won 3 super bowls with the team he had.

[Valerie]

It's not all about the numbers, Alluro. Troy Aikman absolutely deserves to be on that list. He IS one of the greats! Just because you don't put up numbers like Joe Montana, that doesn't mean you're not good. There's more to a quarterbacks game and worth than the numbers, IMHO.

[HenryRules]

Aikman most definitely deserves to be on that list. I wouldn't put him up at the top ahead of Favre or Young, however.

Simms did play amazing when the Giants won the Super Bowl, but he didn't get them there - Hostetler did. Boomer took the Bengals to a Super Bowl though, so I'd say they're about even there. Boomer still has the advantage of having led the league in passer rating a couple of times. Simms doesn't have anything else over Boomer, so I don't see why he should be on there ahead of Esaison. If you're talking top-10 QB's, a QB better be able to win a game by himself when the need arises. If a QB can't win a game by himself, then he's replaceable and you can't be a top-10 QB and be replaceable.

[Throne Logic]

For years, I thought Boomer and Phil were the same person.

[Throne Logic]

Rich Gannon is close to consideration. Three big years in a row.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Originally posted by HenryRules
If you're talking top-10 QB's, a QB better be able to win a game by himself when the need arises. If a QB can't win a game by himself, then he's replaceable and you can't be a top-10 QB and be replaceable.
If that is the logic, then Tom Brady also needs to be on that list, as much as I'd hate to say it. He has almost single-handed won a few games, like the SuperBowl 2 years ago and that one game against Chicago last season.

[HenryRules]

Brady has only played 2 seasons though. I didn't consider Warner worthy of the list after 3 good seasons, so I can't say Brady deserves it after 2.

However, a few more years like he's had would put him worthy of him being on that list.

Btw, Brady did not single-handedly win the SB 2 years ago. The Pats defence won that Super Bowl.

Also, to me, the ability to single-handedly win a game is a requirement for the list, not the only requirement.

[WCoastFin]

Originally posted by imbondz
Top 10 QB's from the past 20 years. What do you think?


10-Dan Fouts
9-Warren Moon
8-Kurt Warner
7-Bret Favre
6-Jim Kelly
5-Steve Young
4-Troy Aikman
3-Dan Marino
2-John Elway
1-Joe Montana

Who'd I leave out?

Nice list....only problem i have with it is K.Warner....

[XNOUGHT]

BLEDSOE BLEDSOE BLEDSOE BLEDSOE BLEDSOE BLEDSOE!!!!


ARG!!!!!

I cant believe you guys forgot about the fastest QB to reach 30,0000 yards passing!!!!!!!

The QB who went to two Super Bowls and has a ring.

Who FIRSTHAND won games on his own.

He is much better then Moon.

[Throne Logic]

Drew hasn't done much to win in the post-season. Don't even try to tell me his 35 yard drive last year constitutes top 10 material.

The year of the Tuna. No one deserves credit for Superbowl appearance more than Parcells and his staff. I'm not sure I've seen a better display of coaching ability than when he took that mediocre team to the Superbowl. A close second to that was BB taking the 2001 team and winning it. Coincidence? No way. Master and apprentice. Much of that was despite Drew's performances.

Yardage DOES NOT equal greatness. I cannot understand how people consider 30,000 yards an automatic in for "great". I want to see a QB's individual performances in games that mean something before I make a statement like "he's in the Top 10". Drew is NOT currently Top 10 material. He has to learn how to get it done in important games.

[standingbuffalo43]

boomer should be on the list in place of warner for 2 reasons...

1.he was the greatest play action passer.
2.he ushered in the no-huddle, which Kelly later perfected...

[superbills]

Hey, I agree with Miyagi. If you put Warner on that list, you should consider Manning as well.

If you say that Boomer shouldn't be on the list because he was on a mediocre team, then I would argue that Warner should be OFF the list given that his team is absolutely LOADED offensively. He's terrible without his weapons, or at least 4 seconds to sit back, have a brew, and THEN decide where to throw the ball. He's overrated and CERTAINLY not better than Moon or Fouts.

[Steve-Mo]

Add Ray Lucas.

J/K

[shulafan]

Now you guys deep down in your hearts know that Marino should be #1, right?????

[Billz_fan]

Originally posted by shulafan
Now you guys deep down in your hearts know that Marino should be #1, right?????

Is this Marino fellow someone we should know ? :D

oh wait, thats the fellow Kelly whipped in all those important games isn't it ? :laughter:

[shulafan]

Yeah, I think that might have happened one or four times

[shulafan]

But don't forget where Jim kelly went to college......

[whkfc]

Originally posted by imbondz
Top 10 QB's from the past 20 years. What do you think?


10-Dan Fouts
9-Warren Moon
8-Kurt Warner
7-Bret Favre
6-Jim Kelly
5-Steve Young
4-Troy Aikman
3-Dan Marino
2-John Elway
1-Joe Montana

Who'd I leave out?

I say swap Aikman and Farve, replace Warner with Bledsoe.

[justasportsfan]

Originally posted by Jaded 7
A quarterback isnt' supposed to win games himself. He should win games with the team. Personally, I like Phil Simms much better than Boomer Esaison. And doesn't Phil have at least one Super Bowl ring and Boomer doesn't have any, right?

This is why I'll take Kelly over BoyToyTroy , Princess. Aikman had the best OL . Kelly was a warrior. Same reason why I will pick Marino over Kelly. The bills were a better team .

[justasportsfan]

Originally posted by shulafan
Now you guys deep down in your hearts know that Marino should be #1, right?????

Marino was the best pure passer, not best all-arround qb.

[The_Philster]

Originally posted by justasportsfan


Marino was the best pure passer, not best all-arround qb.


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[Billz_fan]

Marino was a great passer.

So was Jeff George. George had a major leauge arm and a minor leauge head.

Now.........I am not saying George belongs on the list, just stating a fact.

[Michael82]

There's no way in HELL that Tom Brady should be on any top QB list. Hell, not even a top 20 list. He is a terrible quarterback if his receivers have no room to run. Check the Yards after catch....the receivers have always got most of their yardage by running with the ball. Brady only knows how to throw the dinks and dunks. :D

BTW...if you put Kurt Warner on this list, then Rich Gannon should be on it. :rolleyes:

[BillsOwnAll]

Originally posted by PA Season Ticket Holder
10. David Klingler
9- Todd Marijuanavich
8- Akili Smith
7- Doug Flutie
6- Danny Wuerfel
5- Jim Miller
4- Rob Johnson
3- Quincy Carter
2- Ryan Leaf
1- Billy Joe Hobert you forgot Billy Joe Tolliver man...