Devin's Week 8 Rankings

[shelby]

This is always fun....


Week Seven is in the books, and what a week it was. If it wasn't for the Giants, I would have officially entered sports hell for this entire week, but luckily, they came through and took care of the Steelers. The Bills opened division play by going down to Miami to lay an egg and make Chad Pennington look like a Pro Bowl QB. They come home this Sunday to face another division opponent, the Jets. According to my math, the next Brett Favre interception will be his 300^th career INT, so fans in Buffalo may witness quite a milestone from the gunslinger. As for the rankings, I'm going to make them short and sweet this week, so that I can focus all my time on answering my hate messages once they are published.

1. Tennessee Titans (1) – The Titans took care of business on MNF in typical Titans fashion. The combination of Chris Johnson and LenDale White is going to be a tough one for defenses to stop.


2. New York Giants (5) – The Giants got a huge road win against the Steelers. They should be able to continue their winning ways by rolling over Dallas this weekend.


3. Washington Redskins (6) – It wasn’t necessarily pretty, but Washington got the win against Detroit to keep themselves in the race for the NFC East title.


4. Pittsburgh Steelers (2) - Even though the Steelers lost, they aren’t out of it by any stretch. This weekend’s game against Washington will be another big test. If they lose that game, it will go a long way to prove how real the Steelers are. I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen a team let the franchise QB get the crap beat out of him week after week, season after season.


5. Carolina Panthers (8) – Carolina is quietly strolling along with a nice 6-2 record heading into the bye. After the bye, they should continue their winnings ways against Oakland and Detroit.


6. Buffalo Bills (3) – The Bills didn’t help themselves any by that ugly performance in Miami. These next two games are huge for Buffalo. They absolutely have to win both, or they will be in trouble.


more.... (http://www.billszone.com/mtlog/archives/2008/10/28/devins_week_8_rankings.php)

[gr8slayer]

:homer:

[Confused]

:fit: stupid fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[huck1974]

Those are just plain silly. The Bills should not be in the top ten.

[OpIv37]

The Bills should be behind NE, maybe behind Dallas.

[shelby]

Here's ESPN's rankings for week 9:


<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="colhead"><td> </td> <td width="10%">RK (LW)</td> <td>TEAM</td> <td>REC</td> <td>COMMENT</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/ten.gif</td> <td>1 (1)</td> <td>Titans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=ten)</td> <td width="50">7-0-0</td> <td>The next challenge: Preventing any sort of letdown off the Monday night high as the rested Packers come to town. (PK)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/nyg.gif</td> <td>2 (2)</td> <td>Giants (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyg)</td> <td width="50">6-1-0</td> <td>People can stop saying the Giants aren't playing anyone. Now, the G-Men can feast on Brad Johnson and the Cowboys. (MM)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/car.gif</td> <td>3 (7)</td> <td>Panthers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=car)</td> <td width="50">6-2-0</td> <td>They're playing as complete a game as any team right now and threatening to run away with the NFC South. (PY)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/pit.gif</td> <td>4 (3)</td> <td>Steelers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=pit)</td> <td width="50">5-2-0</td> <td>The NFC East gives this team fits. But the Steelers are 5-0 against everyone else. (JW)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/was.gif</td> <td>5 (5)</td> <td>Redskins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was)</td> <td width="50">6-2-0</td> <td>Struggled a bit with the Lions. Now, the Steelers will come to town for "Monday Night Football." Remember that the Skins will host all three NFC East rivals in the second half. (MM)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/buf.gif</td> <td>6 (4)</td> <td>Bills (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=buf)</td> <td width="50">5-2-0</td> <td>The Bills stumbled on the road again. They committed four turnovers in the fourth quarter, and QB Trent Edwards struggled for the first time. (TG)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/nwe.gif</td> <td>7 (9)</td> <td>Patriots (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nwe)</td> <td width="50">5-2-0</td> <td>The Patriots refuse to fade despite their injuries. Matt Cassel is starting to get comfortable in the NFL (when he's not getting sacked). (TG)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/dal.gif</td> <td>8 (15)</td> <td>Cowboys (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=dal)</td> <td width="50">5-3-0</td> <td>At least for one week, the Cowboys saved their season. Now, they'll have to face the Giants with Brad Johnson at quarterback. Good luck. (MM)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/tam.gif</td> <td>9 (6)</td> <td>Buccaneers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=tam)</td> <td width="50">5-3-0</td> <td>Loss to Dallas shows offense still doesn't have any consistency. (PY)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/phi.gif</td> <td>10 (11)</td> <td>Eagles (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=phi)</td> <td width="50">4-3-0</td> <td>Oh, what a difference the bye week made. A healthy Brian Westbrook makes this a dangerous team. (MM)</td></tr></tbody></table>

linky (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?week=9&season=2008)

[BillsOwnAll]

The Bills should be behind NE, maybe behind Dallas.
why should we be behind NE???

They ALSO lost to miami. and san diego.

We beat san deigo and lost to arizona and lost to miami.

So...you can say san diego is better then arizona..there for logic would result us being ahead of them..barely...like we are.

[BlackMetalNinja]

You guys crack me up... you jump all over Devin right off the bat every week, then all the other major outlets put out their power rankings and they end up being quite similar. Then of course, nobody has much to say.

[RockStar36]

You guys crack me up... you jump all over Devin right off the bat every week, then all the other major outlets put out their power rankings and they end up being quite similar. Then of course, nobody has much to say.

It's an endless cycle, week after week.

[OpIv37]

why should we be behind NE???

They ALSO lost to miami. and san diego.

We beat san deigo and lost to arizona and lost to miami.

So...you can say san diego is better then arizona..there for logic would result us being ahead of them..barely...like we are.

They have the same record plus a division win which puts them ahead of us in the standings.

San Diego is NOT better than Arizona.

[OpIv37]

You guys crack me up... you jump all over Devin right off the bat every week, then all the other major outlets put out their power rankings and they end up being quite similar. Then of course, nobody has much to say.

6 is too high for the Bills no matter who ranks them. At the very least, Tennessee, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Tampa Bay, New York Giants,and New England are stronger than us. You could make very strong cases for Philly, Dallas (when healthy), Arizona, Green Bay and Washington (although I think both ESPN and Devin have the Skins ranked too high because they've been struggling with some lackluster competition).

[BlackMetalNinja]

6 is too high for the Bills no matter who ranks them. At the very least, Tennessee, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Tampa Bay, New York Giants,and New England are stronger than us. You could make very strong cases for Philly, Dallas (when healthy), Arizona, Green Bay and Washington (although I think both ESPN and Devin have the Skins ranked too high because they've been struggling with some lackluster competition).Yes, I understand, your opinion is more right than everybody else's. It only took me 3 years of you telling us all non stop, but I finally believe it now! :rolleyes:

[DraftBoy]

Yes, I understand, your opinion is more right than everybody else's. It only took me 3 years of you telling us all non stop, but I finally believe it now! :rolleyes:

Find a flaw in the argument and debate it if you don't like it. You just called out people for bashing the power rankings with no merit and now you do the same thing almost but to Op? Pot and Kettle?

[RockStar36]

Find a flaw in the argument and debate it if you don't like it. You just called out people for bashing the power rankings with no merit and now you do the same thing almost but to Op? Pot and Kettle?

I believe what he was pointing out is that people slam me for my rankings and then later in the afternoon once SI, ESPN, CBS, FOX, and any others release their rankings, those same people seem to dissapear because my rankings are quite similar.

[RockStar36]

I'd also like to note, just because NE has a better division record and the same record overall, that doesn't mean they should be above Buffalo in the rankings. I still think if they lined up tomorrow afternoon the Bills would beat them straight up. I guess we'll find out for sure soon enough....

[mybills]

I agree with ESPN..Giants are #2.
Although, they should be #1 just for beating the Steamingpileofcrapburgers. :up:

[mybills]

oh and, Bills don't "have to" win both of the next 2 games. They will beat the Pats though. :up:

[RockStar36]

oh and, Bills don't "have to" win both of the next 2 games. They will beat the Pats though. :up:

I disagree. I mean, they could still make the playoffs without winning the next two but for divison purposes along with proving themselves, the next two are must wins. They need to be able to handle teams within the division.

[mybills]

The Bills should be behind NE
You mean like this?

[OpIv37]

oh and, Bills don't "have to" win both of the next 2 games. They will beat the Pats though. :up:

wrong on both accounts.

If we lose both of the next two games, the Bills will be 5-4 and 0-3 in the division. NE will have at least one game and a tiebreaker against us, possibly 2 if they beat the Colts. That would mean we'd have to make up 3 games on NE in the last 7. The Jets would be no worse than even- possibly a game ahead- plus have the tiebreaker for the wild card.

If we lose even one of them, we're 1-2 in the division and the only way we can get away with that is if BOTH the Jets and the Pats lose their other game over the next two weeks. Otherwise, we could potentially be in a 3 way tie but being behind one team in tiebreakers.

The next two games are critical.

As far as winning in NE, I hate the Pats too but it's really annoying how your blatant hatred for the Pats keeps you from looking at it objectively. Foxboro is still a really tough place for a visitor to win, and the Pats still have Bellicheck and a ****load of good players. This game is anything but a pushover. Yeah, I know, you're going to say "well the Dolphins won in Foxboro." Well, that was the ONLY game the Pats blew at home in something like 3 seasons. It was a rare miscue. Lightning doesn't strike twice. No one wants to acknowledge that NE has the same record as us plus the tiebreaker. No one wants to acknowledge that the Bills are a mere .500 on the road. No one wants to acknowledge that the Bills have yet to prove they can beat the Pats.

[OpIv37]

Yes, I understand, your opinion is more right than everybody else's. It only took me 3 years of you telling us all non stop, but I finally believe it now! :rolleyes:


I will no longer acknowledge posts that want to debate tone or attitude rather than content.

I have reasons for my opinions. If you have a different opinion and feel your reasons are better than mine, go ahead and state them and we'll have a discussion about it.

If you just want to criticize my tone or attitude rather than content, don't bother because you've already ceded the discussion by your lack of a reasoned response.

[RockStar36]

wrong on both accounts.

If we lose both of the next two games, the Bills will be 5-4 and 0-3 in the division. NE will have at least one game and a tiebreaker against us, possibly 2 if they beat the Colts. That would mean we'd have to make up 3 games on NE in the last 7. The Jets would be no worse than even- possibly a game ahead- plus have the tiebreaker for the wild card.

If we lose even one of them, we're 1-2 in the division and the only way we can get away with that is if BOTH the Jets and the Pats lose their other game over the next two weeks. Otherwise, we could potentially be in a 3 way tie but being behind one team in tiebreakers.

The next two games are critical.

As far as winning in NE, I hate the Pats too but it's really annoying how your blatant hatred for the Pats keeps you from looking at it objectively. Foxboro is still a really tough place for a visitor to win, and the Pats still have Bellicheck and a ****load of good players. This game is anything but a pushover. Yeah, I know, you're going to say "well the Dolphins won in Foxboro." Well, that was the ONLY game the Pats blew at home in something like 3 seasons. It was a rare miscue. Lightning doesn't strike twice. No one wants to acknowledge that NE has the same record as us plus the tiebreaker. No one wants to acknowledge that the Bills are a mere .500 on the road. No one wants to acknowledge that the Bills have yet to prove they can beat the Pats.

They haven't been given the chance to beat the Pats yet this year. IMO, until they get that chance, nobody should be saying one way or another whether the Bills have a shot at beating them. We'll find out in less than 2 weeks.

[OpIv37]

They haven't been given the chance to beat the Pats yet this year. IMO, until they get that chance, nobody should be saying one way or another whether the Bills have a shot at beating them. We'll find out in less than 2 weeks.

Why? We're not that different from the team the Pats destroyed twice last year. All of our starters on O are the same. 6 of 11 starters on D are the same. The coaching staff is the same except for Schonert. On the NE side, they don't have Samuel or Brady but the rest of the team is pretty much the same and they're still winning.

You're right in that the Bills haven't had the chance yet, but there's plenty of reason to assume the Bills still can't beat the Pats, especially in their house.

[RockStar36]

Why? We're not that different from the team the Pats destroyed twice last year. All of our starters on O are the same. 6 of 11 starters on D are the same. The coaching staff is the same except for Schonert. On the NE side, they don't have Samuel or Brady but the rest of the team is pretty much the same and they're still winning.

You're right in that the Bills haven't had the chance yet, but there's plenty of reason to assume the Bills still can't beat the Pats, especially in their house.

No, there is plenty of reason to assume this in your world, where the glass is always half emtpy.

The team we're fielding this year is completely different than last year. Maybe most of the players are the same, but they are NOT the same team.

On top of that, don't just brush off the whole "they don't have Brady" thing because that is absolutely huge. That isn't just some bum that is out. That is the heart and soul of the Patriots.

[BlackMetalNinja]

I will no longer acknowledge posts that want to debate tone or attitude rather than content.

I have reasons for my opinions. If you have a different opinion and feel your reasons are better than mine, go ahead and state them and we'll have a discussion about it.

If you just want to criticize my tone or attitude rather than content, don't bother because you've already ceded the discussion by your lack of a reasoned response.And I've already mentioned that I've given up debating with you because it's an endless, winless battle, you don't back down ever on anything. Regardless of that, my point was that almost every major publication of power rankings has it that way, yet you demand they're wrong and you're right.

[OpIv37]

No, there is plenty of reason to assume this in your world, where the glass is always half emtpy.

The team we're fielding this year is completely different than last year. Maybe most of the players are the same, but they are NOT the same team.

On top of that, don't just brush off the whole "they don't have Brady" thing because that is absolutely huge. That isn't just some bum that is out. That is the heart and soul of the Patriots.

Well, this group of players has yet to beat the Patriots, and I don't believe they can until they prove it. And without their heart and soul, the Pats still managed the same record that we have. That plus home field gives them the edge.

[OpIv37]

And I've already mentioned that I've given up debating with you because it's an endless, winless battle, you don't back down ever on anything. Regardless of that, my point was that almost every major publication of power rankings has it that way, yet you demand they're wrong and you're right.

I apologize. From now on, I will stop thinking for myself and will formulate my opinions based solely on what the major publications want me to think. I didn't mean to offend you with independent thinking.

[justasportsfan]

Why? We're not that different from the team the Pats destroyed twice last year. All of our starters on O are the same. 6 of 11 starters on D are the same. The coaching staff is the same except for Schonert. On the NE side, they don't have Samuel or Brady but the rest of the team is pretty much the same and they're still winning.

You're right in that the Bills haven't had the chance yet, but there's plenty of reason to assume the Bills still can't beat the Pats, especially in their house.


This post is clueless.

If we aren't any different from the team last year , how the hell are we 5-2? This D isn't as bad vs. the run last year. THis team would've lost to the jags and chargers.

Get a clue OP. Your so called logic is all over the place .

[RockStar36]

Well, this group of players has yet to beat the Patriots, and I don't believe they can until they prove it. And without their heart and soul, the Pats still managed the same record that we have. That plus home field gives them the edge.

EXACTLY Op! They have yet to do it and you won't believe it till they prove it. So until they get that chance, there is no reason to bash them and say they won't. Let their play do the talking, one way or another.

[OpIv37]

This post is clueless.

If we aren't any different from the team that the PAts owned, how the hell are we 5-2? This D isn't as bad vs. the run last year. THis team would've lost to the jags and chargers.

Get a clue OP.

16 of our 22 starters are the same guys that started against NE last year. ALL of our offensive starters are the same as last year. Our coaching staff is the same except for one guy. They're playing differently but it's the SAME team. I know you don't want to admit it, but facts are facts. These guys have yet to prove they can beat NE. You have absolutely no argument here.

[OpIv37]

EXACTLY Op! They have yet to do it and you won't believe it till they prove it. So until they get that chance, there is no reason to bash them and say they won't. Let their play do the talking, one way or another.

They haven't proven they can, yet I have no reason to say that they won't? I think the lack of proof that they can is a good enough reason to say that they won't.

[justasportsfan]

They haven't proven they can, yet I have no reason to say that they won't? I think the lack of proof that they can is a good enough reason to say that they won't.


Lack of proof? We're 5-2 and we beat teams we wouldn't have beaten last year. Teams you PREDICTED we'd lose to. If that isn't proof enough, then this disscussion is over since your don't know what proof is if it hit you on the face.


YOu predicted this O wouldn't be in top 25. SO FAR We're 18th so ,SO FAR YOU're WRONG!!


As to what happens in the future games, there is no proof to your opinions either because we haven't played those games yet. Thats just your opinion which isn't fact.

[OpIv37]

Lack of proof? We're 5-2 and we beat teams we wouldn't have beaten last year. Teams you PREDICTED we'd lose to. If that isn't proof enough, then this disscussion is over since your don't know what proof is if it hit you on the face.


YOu predicted this O wouldn't be in top 25. SO FAR We're 18th so ,SO FAR YOU're WRONG!!


As to what happens in the future games, there is no proof to your opinions either because we haven't played those games yet. Thats just your opinion which isn't fact.

Beating teams we wouldn't have beaten LAST year is not proof we can beat a team that is better than anyone we've played yet this year. That's piss poor logic.

[justasportsfan]

Beating teams we wouldn't have beaten LAST year is not proof we can beat a team that is better than anyone we've played yet this year. That's piss poor logic.
the fact that you think we're the same team means you have no weight when it comes to logic.

Last years team was at the bottom of the league both on O and D.

We're 18th on O and 11th on D.

I have facts. You have nothing but your opinion thats been wrong for the most part to this point.

Until you actually win a bet we've you have no right to be calling my logic piss poor. MY logic owns you. ;)

[OpIv37]

the fact that you think we're the same team means you have no weight when it comes to logic.

Last years team was at the bottom of the league both on O and D.

We're 18th on O and 11th on D.

I have facts. You have nothing but your opinion thats been wrong for the most part to this point.

Until you actually win a bet we've you have no right to be calling my logic piss poor. MY logic owns you. ;)

The fact that you don't realize that we are the same team just destroys your credibility. Go compare the 2008 roster with the 2007 roster. Go compare the guys who will be starting on Sunday with the guys who started last year against the Pats. Go compare last year's coaching staff with this year's coaching staff. I don't THINK this is the same team. I KNOW it's the same team because there's hard evidence that it is. This is not a debatable opinion. it's an actual fact.

[justasportsfan]

The fact that you don't realize that we are the same team just destroys your credibility. Go compare the 2008 roster with the 2007 roster. Go compare the guys who will be starting on Sunday with the guys who started last year against the Pats. Go compare last year's coaching staff with this year's coaching staff. I don't THINK this is the same team. I KNOW it's the same team because there's hard evidence that it is. This is not a debatable opinion. it's an actual fact.
the PAts beat an injury riddled team. If line-up makes the team in your opinion the same then so be it. I'm just saying they arent the same team on the field as they were last year.

[mybills]

No Brady, no Morris, no Jordan...Cassel will just kill us to pieces!

[RockStar36]

16 of our 22 starters are the same guys that started against NE last year. ALL of our offensive starters are the same as last year. Our coaching staff is the same except for one guy. They're playing differently but it's the SAME team. I know you don't want to admit it, but facts are facts. These guys have yet to prove they can beat NE. You have absolutely no argument here.

Really?

[OpIv37]

Really?

Well, Preston.

And I guess JP was technically the starter in the first game but he got injured on the first series so in reality the same QB who played 98% of the game will be playing the game this year.

[OpIv37]

No Brady, no Morris, no Jordan...Cassel will just kill us to pieces!

Yet, they're still winning.... hmmmmm.....

[RockStar36]

Well, Preston.

And I guess JP was technically the starter in the first game but he got injured on the first series so in reality the same QB who played 98% of the game will be playing the game this year.

Soooo Trent Edwards, in his first real NFL game action, is the same Trent Edwards that will start in the next game?

BTW, JP was the started in the second game as well.

[OpIv37]

Soooo Trent Edwards, in his first real NFL game action, is the same Trent Edwards that will start in the next game?

BTW, JP was the started in the second game as well.

He's the same Trent Edwards who has yet to prove he can beat the Pats.

[RockStar36]

He's the same Trent Edwards who has yet to prove he can beat the Pats.

Did you hear that sound? It was my head slamming against the desk.

[mybills]

Yet, they're still winning.... hmmmmm.....
yeah, they won 3 of the 5 without the help of the other team flopping or zebra non calls. Unlike the Bills who EARNED all 5 wins.

But you're right, Cassel will kill us to pieces!

[OpIv37]

Did you hear that sound? It was my head slamming against the desk.

Why? it's true. He hasn't beaten the Pats. No one on our team has (except Kawika Mitchell). They're still winning. They have the same record as us, plus a tiebreaker, despite losing their best player. They're playing at home. Everything is in their favor. I don't know why that's so hard for you to see.

[mybills]

kiss any harder and you might get stuck inside.

[OpIv37]

yeah, they won 3 of the 5 without the help of the other team flopping or zebra non calls. Unlike the Bills who EARNED all 5 wins.

But you're right, Cassel will kill us to pieces!

see, there's your bias and hatred. You really think we earned the Oakland or St. Louis victory? We let those teams hang around and the only reason we won is because they completely suck. Probably 25 teams in the NFL would have won those games against us.

And you automatically assume the Pats only won because of the other team flopped or because of the refs? It's hypocrisy to say the Bills earned, say, the Oakland win, but NE only beat KC because they flopped. Your bias is disturbing.

[OpIv37]

kiss any harder and you might get stuck inside.

What did I say that was false? Acknowledging facts is not kissing ass. This is nothing but pure ignorance on your part.

[RockStar36]

Why? it's true. He hasn't beaten the Pats. No one on our team has (except Kawika Mitchell). They're still winning. They have the same record as us, plus a tiebreaker, despite losing their best player. They're playing at home. Everything is in their favor. I don't know why that's so hard for you to see.

I seriously don't know why you bother following sports, specifically Buffalo sports. Reading your stuff sometimes makes me want to blow my brains out. Edwards had one opportunity, not even a full opportunity, to beat the Pats and didn't get it done. Nevermind the fact that Brady and Moss torched Buffalo all day long, that doesn't matter, right?

What about the same record? In games against common opponents the Bills have a better record. Does that matter to you? Probably not.

Sometimes you remind me of the biggest cry baby. "Everything is in their favor"...WAH WAH WAH

Sometimes I wonder what you would've said prior to the SB last year if you were a Giants fan. What is the point of being a fan if you're always going to be negative? Why can't the Bills beat NE?

And for what it's worth, they are missing more than Brady and Samuel.

[OpIv37]

I seriously don't know why you bother following sports, specifically Buffalo sports. Reading your stuff sometimes makes me want to blow my brains out. Edwards had one opportunity, not even a full opportunity, to beat the Pats and didn't get it done. Nevermind the fact that Brady and Moss torched Buffalo all day long, that doesn't matter, right?

What about the same record? In games against common opponents the Bills have a better record. Does that matter to you? Probably not.

Sometimes you remind me of the biggest cry baby. "Everything is in their favor"...WAH WAH WAH

Sometimes I wonder what you would've said prior to the SB last year if you were a Giants fan. What is the point of being a fan if you're always going to be negative? Why can't the Bills beat NE?

And for what it's worth, they are missing more than Brady and Samuel.

Better record against common opponents is meaningless. When we play a better team it's "any given Sunday", yet, if you want to take that approach, then common opponents must be meaningless. So pick your poison because you can't have it both ways.

Who cares if it was only one opportunity? He still didn't do it. And guess what? He's not the only player on the team. The rest of the team failed as well. And until they prove they won't fail against the Patriots, we have no reason to believe it. It's simple logic.

I resent the "crybaby" accusation because all I did was cite facts. Sometimes the facts aren't in our favor. When I point that out, people like you go "wah wah wah he said somethign bad about the Bills again." Well, I'm sorry that it's not a perfect world and I'm sorry that things aren't always in Buffalo's favor, but they're not so you better learn to accept it.

[RockStar36]

Better record against common opponents is meaningless. When we play a better team it's "any given Sunday", yet, if you want to take that approach, then common opponents must be meaningless. So pick your poison because you can't have it both ways.

Who cares if it was only one opportunity? He still didn't do it. And guess what? He's not the only player on the team. The rest of the team failed as well. And until they prove they won't fail against the Patriots, we have no reason to believe it. It's simple logic.

I resent the "crybaby" accusation because all I did was cite facts. Sometimes the facts aren't in our favor. When I point that out, people like you go "wah wah wah he said somethign bad about the Bills again." Well, I'm sorry that it's not a perfect world and I'm sorry that things aren't always in Buffalo's favor, but they're not so you better learn to accept it.

Wait a second...games against common opponents mean nothing? Really? Each team has a loss to the Dolphins so we can cancel that out...unless you want to bring up how the Bills only lost that game by 9 instead of being blown out at home. The other Bills loss was against Arizona, who New England has yet to face. The Patriots other loss was to San Diego, the Bills beat them. Sooo...I guess what I'm saying is that even though they have the same record, I view the Bills as the better team. NE has a better division record because they have played more division games. It's not Buffalo's fault that the schedule fell that way. Although, I believe the Bills play the Jets this weekend so they will get their chance to even up that division record.

I agree the team failed against the Pats last year. But they failed because Brady ate them alive. He won't be there this year. That is a huge difference. If you want to get technical, the Pats only lost one game last year out of 19 with Brady. They have already dropped two games this year in 7 with Cassel.

[OpIv37]

Wait a second...games against common opponents mean nothing? Really? Each team has a loss to the Dolphins so we can cancel that out...unless you want to bring up how the Bills only lost that game by 9 instead of being blown out at home. The other Bills loss was against Arizona, who New England has yet to face. The Patriots other loss was to San Diego, the Bills beat them. Sooo...I guess what I'm saying is that even though they have the same record, I view the Bills as the better team. NE has a better division record because they have played more division games. It's not Buffalo's fault that the schedule fell that way. Although, I believe the Bills play the Jets this weekend so they will get their chance to even up that division record.

I agree the team failed against the Pats last year. But they failed because Brady ate them alive. He won't be there this year. That is a huge difference. If you want to get technical, the Pats only lost one game last year out of 19 with Brady. They have already dropped two games this year in 7 with Cassel.

Fair enough, but they're still winning. We just started winning and haven't looked all that great doing it. The other big concern is the pass rush. When the Pats lose it's usually because they get to Brady, and there is no way Cassell is going to respond to pressure as well as Brady does. But so far this year, the Bills have been terrible at getting to the QB. While Cassell won't put up Brady numbers even without a Bills pass rush, he'll probably be good enough to win if the Bills don't figure out how to rattle him.

[RockStar36]

Fair enough, but they're still winning. We just started winning and haven't looked all that great doing it. The other big concern is the pass rush. When the Pats lose it's usually because they get to Brady, and there is no way Cassell is going to respond to pressure as well as Brady does. But so far this year, the Bills have been terrible at getting to the QB. While Cassell won't put up Brady numbers even without a Bills pass rush, he'll probably be good enough to win if the Bills don't figure out how to rattle him.

The Patriots haven't looked very great in their wins either, aside from the Denver game. I agree on the pass rush comment though. I guess we'll just have to see.

[justasportsfan]

see, there's your bias and hatred. You really think we earned the Oakland or St. Louis victory? We let those teams hang around and the only reason we won is because they completely suck. Probably 25 teams in the NFL would have won those games against us.

And you automatically assume the Pats only won because of the other team flopped or because of the refs? It's hypocrisy to say the Bills earned, say, the Oakland win, but NE only beat KC because they flopped. Your bias is disturbing.
Imagine that. He uses Okaland and STL to make his point but he forgot to mention the jags and chargers because he was wrong in picking them. THEY EARNED THE WIN vs. JAGS AND CHARGERS.

Oakland and chargers may have sucked but the jags and chargers were not crappy teams according to you. Now they suck because we beat them just so that you continue with your drivel. Yeah right.

[OpIv37]

Imagine that. He uses Okaland and STL to make his point but he forgot to mention the jags and chargers because he was wrong in picking them. THEY EARNED THE WIN vs. JAGS AND CHARGERS.

Oakland and chargers may have sucked but the jags and chargers were not crappy teams according to you. Now they suck because we beat them just so that you continue with your drivel. Yeah right.

Learn to read. mybills said we earned ALL 5 WINS. My point was that we didn't. Mentioning the ones we earned is really irrelevant to that point. There were ones that we DIDN'T earn, at least not by her standard of teams collapsing against the Pats.

But, for the record:
San Diego 3-5, 11th in offense, 28th in defense
Jacksonville 3-4, 20th in offense, 23rd in defense

SD and Jax don't suck because we beat them. They suck because they have bad records and bad stats.

[mybills]

Learn to read. mybills said we earned ALL 5 WINS. My point was that we didn't. Mentioning the ones we earned is really irrelevant to that point. There were ones that we DIDN'T earn, at least not by her standard of teams collapsing against the Pats.

But, for the record:
San Diego 3-5, 11th in offense, 28th in defense
Jacksonville 3-4, 20th in offense, 23rd in defense

SD and Jax don't suck because we beat them. They suck because they have bad records and bad stats.
All 5 Bills wins were earned, all 5 opponents fought hard.
Denver didn't even show up for the Pats game..they gave it to them.
And I don't know what you're talking about KC for, I was talking about last week against the Rams..zero flags?..bad ball marks?..the zebra's gave them that one. Why? Because they're still infatuated with them just like you. Had they done a fair job, the Rams win easily. They were all over their pathetic asses.
oh and..
I don't care what the team stats were/are..even you know that teams look good one week and not the other...or does that just apply to everyone but the Bills? The Pats only look good when the above two scenarios happen. You really shouldn't be talking like they're great! They suck.

[justasportsfan]

Learn to read. mybills said we earned ALL 5 WINS. My point was that we didn't. Mentioning the ones we earned is really irrelevant to that point. There were ones that we DIDN'T earn, at least not by her standard of teams collapsing against the Pats. .Sorry. All I read was, "we won and we didn't earn the win. I'm miserable that we won"




But, for the record:
San Diego 3-5, 11th in offense, 28th in defense
Jacksonville 3-4, 20th in offense, 23rd in defense

SD and Jax don't suck because we beat them. They suck because they have bad records and bad stats.
haha! that wasn't your opinion when you picked them to beat us. You should've thought of that before you predicted we couldn't beat them. Imagine that, you're playing Ms. Cleo back then when your the self proclaimed Mr. realist & Mr. Logic and yet you got it wrong and now you turned to Mr. Flipflop.


Should we beat both the jets and Pats , you'll flipflop again and say, "I wasn't wrong, they just sucked"

[OpIv37]

All 5 Bills wins were earned, all 5 opponents fought hard.
Denver didn't even show up for the Pats game..they gave it to them.
And I don't know what you're talking about KC for, I was talking about last week against the Rams..zero flags?..bad ball marks?..the zebra's gave them that one. Why? Because they're still infatuated with them just like you. Had they done a fair job, the Rams win easily. They were all over their pathetic asses.
oh and..
I don't care what the team stats were/are..even you know that teams look good one week and not the other...or does that just apply to everyone but the Bills? The Pats only look good when the above two scenarios happen. You really shouldn't be talking like they're great! They suck.

How can you say Denver didn't show up against the Pats but Seattle played hard against us? How can you say the Bills opponents played hard when both Oakland and St. Louis laid down in the second half? Your bias is absurd.

I didn't watch the NE/Rams game and zero penalties is a little hard to believe, but even so that hardly proves the refs won 5 games for the Pats.

The Pats have the same record as us. We're ranked 18th in offense, they're ranked 19th. We're ranked 11th in defense, they're ranked 14th. They've scored 153 points and allowed 132 (+21), we scored slightly more at 165 but also allowed slightly more at 143 (+22). If the Pats suck, the Bills must suck too because by every measurable category the teams are remarkably similar. Again, your bias is absurd.

[OpIv37]

Sorry. All I read was, "we won and we didn't earn the win. I'm miserable that we won"




haha! that wasn't your opinion when you picked them to beat us. You should've thought of that before you predicted we couldn't beat them. Imagine that, you're playing Ms. Cleo back then when your the self proclaimed Mr. realist & Mr. Logic and yet you got it wrong and now you turned to Mr. Flipflop.


Should we beat both the jets and Pats , you'll flipflop again and say, "I wasn't wrong, they just sucked"

I already said that my opinion when I picked them to beat us was wrong. What more do you want?

Being wrong is not the same as flip flopping, but that's another one of those distinctions you're incapable of making.

[mybills]

I didn't watch the NE/Rams game and zero penalties is a little hard to believe, but even so that hardly proves the refs won 5 games for the Pats.


Obviously, you don't read.

[RockStar36]

I have to agree with Op on that one.

mybills - How can you say that Denver gave the Pats that game and then say the Bills earned the win against Seattle? If anything, Seattle also gave that game away.

[justasportsfan]

I already said that my opinion when I picked them to beat us was wrong. What more do you want?

Being wrong is not the same as flip flopping, but that's another one of those distinctions you're incapable of making.since you admitted you were wrong, don't go telling us that our opinions about the future is wrong and that yours is more realistic. You haven't earned that.

[OpIv37]

since you admitted you were wrong, don't go telling us that our opinions about the future is wrong and that yours is more realistic. You haven't earned that.

I've earned it because I made a stronger case for my opinion than you made. Just because I was wrong about something else doesn't make me wrong here.

[shelby]

Devin's Rankings are always a source of entertainment and informative discussion!
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[RockStar36]

Devin's Rankings are always a source of entertainment and informative discussion!
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:hi5:

[justasportsfan]

I've earned it because I made a stronger case for my opinion than you made. Just because I was wrong about something else doesn't make me wrong here.
haha . According to who, you? Our bets this year are leaning towards me winning. How are you making a better case?

Thats like saying you're the better lawyer because you make a better case even though you lost all your cases.

You earned it even there are no results to prove who is wrong or who is right? :roflmao: If you end up being wrong you still were more realistic and logical? What kind of logic is that.

Hey OP , you have yet to beat me in any of the bets we've had. You haven't earned anything as far as you and I are concerned. Talk to me once we're tied up.

[OpIv37]

haha . According to who, you? Our bets this year are leaning towards me winning. How are you making a better case?

Thats like saying you're the better lawyer because you make a better case even though you lost all your cases.

You earned it even there are no results to prove who is wrong or who is right? :roflmao: If you end up being wrong you still were more realistic and logical? What kind of logic is that.

Hey OP , you have yet to beat me in any of the bets we've had. You haven't earned anything as far as you and I are concerned. Talk to me once we're tied up.

Here's your problem: small sample size.

How may bets have we had? I think it's 5 between last year and this year. Yes, I've lost most of the bets, but we've only bet on a small portion of the things I've said. So, you can go ahead and think me losing a couple of bets destroys my credibility, but that's simply inaccurate. You should run for Congress with that kind of spin job.

[justasportsfan]

Here's your problem: small sample size.

How may bets have we had? I think it's 5 between last year and this year. Yes, I've lost most of the bets, but we've only bet on a small portion of the things I've said. So, you can go ahead and think me losing a couple of bets destroys my credibility, but that's simply inaccurate.
NO. It's more than 5 bets. You LOST ALL the legit bets. I gave you one to save face .

What else is there to go by other than results and FATCS! Your opinion is neither right nor wrong compared to mine when it comes to what hasn't happened yet. Results is what proves who was more realistic because htye are facts. Do you get that logic? I doubt it.

You hate those bets because it proof you were wrong more than I was.






You should run for Congress with that kind of spin job.you're telling people that you won't reply to things that has nothing to do with the topic and yet you're doing the same thing.

[OpIv37]

NO. It's more than 5 bets. You LOST ALL the legit bets. I gave you one to save face .

What else is there to go by other than results and FATCS! Your opinion is neither right nor wrong compared to mine when it comes to what hasn't happened yet. Results is what proves who was more realistic because htye are facts. Do you get that logic? I doubt it.

You hate those bets because it proof you were wrong more than I was.




you're telling people that you won't reply to things that has nothing to do with the topic and yet you're doing the same thing.


I really don't know why you and others here think all opinions are equally valid. Just because everyone has a right to an opinion does not mean all opinions are formulated on an equal basis.

[justasportsfan]

I really don't know why you and others here think all opinions are equally valid. Just because everyone has a right to an opinion does not mean all opinions are formulated on an equal basis.
yes they are all equally valid. If you put it that way there shouldn't be a problem. the problem is you claim yours is more realistic and more logical even though you've been wrong more. NO one opinion is better than the other until the results come out . The results have shown you are wrong a lot so don't go acting all arrogant telling us , you're the better one.

[shelby]

i think i need to start an Op and justa subforum.

:idea::brilliant:

[justasportsfan]

i think i need to start an Op and justa subforum.

:idea::brilliant:
we can play tag team once you come in , then Hammer, flyingdutchman , then Thurm and then mystic.

[OpIv37]

yes they are all equally valid. If you put it that way there shouldn't be a problem. the problem is you claim yours is more realistic and more logical even though you've been wrong more. NO one opinion is better than the other until the results come out . The results have shown you are wrong a lot so don't go acting all arrogant telling us , you're the better one.

Not all arguments are equally valid. I could say "The Bills are the best team in the NFL." Someone else could say "The Giants are the best team in the NFL." The facts suggesting that the Giants are the best team in the NFL are far superior to the facts supporting the Bills as the best team in the NFL. Therefore, the opinion that the Giants are the best team is more valid. I don't know why you can't see that.

Yes, I've been wrong in the past. That doesn't make me wrong now, and the facts make my opinion more valid now.

[mybills]

I have to agree with Op on that one.

mybills - How can you say that Denver gave the Pats that game and then say the Bills earned the win against Seattle? If anything, Seattle also gave that game away.
How could the Seahawks hand anyone a game? That's just how they play. Still.
Denver was one of the strongest teams by the time they played NE in week 7, and they didn't show up. It was like they stayed in Colorado and used a hologram.

[OpIv37]

How could the Seahawks hand anyone a game? That's just how they play. Still.
Denver was one of the strongest teams by the time they played NE in week 7, and they didn't show up. It was like they stayed in Colorado and used a hologram.

right, it has NOTHING to do with NE outplaying them :rolleyes:

Again, your bias is disturbing.

[mybills]

Your love for NE is blinding you.
Even Pats fans say they gave NE the game.

[OpIv37]

Your love for NE is blinding you.
Even Pats fans say they gave NE the game.

you mean the Pats fans that you constantly say are stupid? Suddenly they have credibility because they agree with you?

I have no love for NE. Tom Brady is a metrosexual wanna-be celebrity, Bellicheck is a monomaniacal jackass who ignores rules he doesn't like, and Wilfork and Harrison are two of the dirtiest players in the game.

But it's absurd to sit there and suggest that they only had success because of luck and the refs. They've been too good for too long. It's absurd to say the Bills are good and the Pats suck when they're extremely close in every single category, including identical overall records.

Again, your bias is disturbing.

[billogic99]

You guys crack me up... you jump all over Devin right off the bat every week, then all the other major outlets put out their power rankings and they end up being quite similar. Then of course, nobody has much to say.

Yeah it's real rocket science rankings teams based on wins and loses.

[mybills]

you mean the Pats fans that you constantly say are stupid? Even a squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

But no, this comes from the knowledgeable ones, and fans of other teams. You seem to be the only one saying otherwise. :scratch:

[RockStar36]

Yeah it's real rocket science rankings teams based on wins and loses.

If I was ranking the teams based on the W/L record I would just link you guys to the standings.

[RockStar36]

How could the Seahawks hand anyone a game? That's just how they play. Still.
Denver was one of the strongest teams by the time they played NE in week 7, and they didn't show up. It was like they stayed in Colorado and used a hologram.

What? That's just how they play?

Can I ask you at what point was Denver an elite team?

When they trashed Oakland? When the game was handed to them by the refs against SD? When they squeaked by New Orleans on a missed FG? When they LOST to Kansas City?

Do you not think that Oakland gave the Bills the game? You do realize that they failed to use multiple time-outs in the last two minutes that would have given Oakland the ball after Lindell's FG and given Janikowski a chance to win it, right?

[justasportsfan]

Yes, I've been wrong in the past. That doesn't make me wrong now, and the facts make my opinion more valid now.

What happens in the future is nothing but opinion on both our sides. Neither of us are wrong or right yet but sorry OP , the facts support my opinions more based on everything we bet on this season. At this moment in time , we are at pace for the playoffs. We are ranked 18th offensively and were are tied with the PAts record wise. If the season ended today, you would've lost all our bets.

[mybills]

What? That's just how they play?

Can I ask you at what point was Denver an elite team?


yes, that's the best they can do. They fought as best they could. They did not hand us the game, because it's not possible for them to do that.
did I say Denver was an elite team? :huh:

[RockStar36]

yes, that's the best they can do. They fought as best they could. They did not hand us the game, because it's not possible for them to do that.
did I say Denver was an elite team? :huh:

You're saying that Denver handed NE the game instead of just getting out played, yet Buffalo completely earned a hard fought victory against Seattle. Seattle sucks and gave that game away. Multiple turnovers, falling for a fake field goal, getting burnt by Robert Royal...I don't know how else to spell giving the game away.

[OpIv37]

You're saying that Denver handed NE the game instead of just getting out played, yet Buffalo completely earned a hard fought victory against Seattle. Seattle sucks and gave that game away. Multiple turnovers, falling for a fake field goal, getting burnt by Robert Royal...I don't know how else to spell giving the game away.

Don't bother. In her world, games can only be given to the Pats. The Seahawks could have lined up for every play with only 10 men on the field and she'd still say the Bills earned the victory.