Kelsay

[patmoran2006]

I read Jerry Sullivan’s column this morning about sacks and saw something I didn’t realize. Chris Kelsay not only has but one sack this year, but he has gotten to the QB just 4 times over the past 30 games. That is completely unacceptable. $5.75 million per year for that? Garbage, and the worst part is every tabs Schobel and Peters for criticism, but Dockery and Kelsay hardly ever get any blame laid.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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This Mo’fo better get it going and going quick. Schobel is out against the Jets again. He better make some plays or that old man Favre is going to carve this secondary up.<o:p></o:p>

[patmoran2006]

Here is the column.
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/columns/story/478559.html

[Jan Reimers]

We have definitely needed to draft a pass rushing DE for a few years now. This article is just further proof, particularly if we whiffed on our 3rd round pick this year - although that is not a certainty yet.

[realdealryan]

Kelsay is always the first to celebrate a great defensive play, though, because he is watching from outside the pocket...

[bigbub2352]

Kelsay and Denney are horrible, i was at the game in Maimi they were constanly blocked and offer no pass rush move other than an outside bananna route and they are consistently steered out fo the way forming a beauftul pockey for the QB to throw in,

I am sorry but if we could get a 2nd round pick for Schobel i would trade is streaky ass too, and sign a vet and draft 2 more DEs and a DT with size
Our Dline is the major problem on the D

Denney and Kelsay are below average DEs getting paid above average money

[Jeff1220]

I believe the Jets RT is hurt too...Kelsey needs to step up and force Favre into some mistakes.

[BillsWin]

I think Kelsay is what we call a pile jumper. He pretends to get in on tackles so it looks good on film and he gets praise. (in this case, he got a raise.)

[THATHURMANATOR]

Our Defensive ends SUCK!!! Why not give Ellis a shot? Why is he deactivated if Schobel is injured?

[Lexwhat]

Kelsay is always the first to celebrate a great defensive play, though, because he is watching from outside the pocket...


:lmao: So true.

[streetkings01]

If only we could find a way to combine Kelsay and Denney into one player, than we could have 1 avg DE instead of 2 avg DEs!

[DraftBoy]

Welcome to when he got his massive extension. Tons of people were pissed off about that.

[patmoran2006]

I remember that very well... I hated the move.. The last two years worth of production is why. Its a double edge sword because not only did you waste the money on him, when I personally think Denney is just as good for far cheaper, but it restricts what you do in FA or the draft at the position.

[Mahdi]

Our Defensive ends SUCK!!! Why not give Ellis a shot? Why is he deactivated if Schobel is injured?
He has been activated. He played last week and got a few snaps. He had some nice rushes too. He has a nice spin move ala Freeney.

[Thurmal]

I still say he makes more plays than Aaron "King of the Garbage-Time Sack" Schobel.

That being said, both have been wearing out their welcomes pretty quick.

[eyedog]

Almost everyone say's the same damn thing every year, "we need a pass rush, the d-line is a weakness"
Then we go use our premium #1 pick on a d-back. Go fiqure.
That Sully article was spot on.

[Saratoga Slim]

Almost everyone say's the same damn thing every year, "we need a pass rush, the d-line is a weakness"
Then we go use our premium #1 pick on a d-back. Go fiqure.
That Sully article was spot on.

Let's not forget that we did sign a pro bowl free agent to improve our D-line, as well as a 3rd round pick. It's not like the group was ignored.

[eyedog]

True. Stroud was a huge need since we passed on Ngata a few years back for a safety. But Stroud is a runstuffer, not a passrusher.
Ellis, I would like to see him more. Really can't fiqure out why we don't since the d-ends can't get there.

I swear if we use our #1 next year on another d-back somebody in that front office is gonna get a beating.

[Mad Max]

Kelsay is always the first to celebrate a great defensive play, though, because he is watching from outside the pocket...

:roflmao:

Ya, he's got the Chris Long fist pump down pat too, too bad he can't hold Long's jock.

[BuffaloRanger]

So let's add Pass Rushing DE to the list of off season needs.

Off Season Needs - in no particular order

Pass Catching TE
Outside Linbacker
Pass Rushing DE

Money will have to be spent in FA on two of those. Bills can fill only one need with a (hopefully) late 1st round pick.

[Marvelous]

WTF PAT!! So we should dump himn because he's noth getting sacks? Re-watch some games & focus on his side. He makes plays man..And wtf do you care how much money he makes??? What are we close to the cap? NO! So wtf gives?
--fACT YOU WANTED Vernon Davis, Greg Olson, WHich TE last season? i forget.

--Kelsay plays alright. Good strong lineman who tackles above average. Is no pro-bowl acceptable? It is for me..

[raphael120]

WTF PAT!! So we should dump himn because he's noth getting sacks? Re-watch some games & focus on his side. He makes plays man..And wtf do you care how much money he makes??? What are we close to the cap? NO! So wtf gives?
--fACT YOU WANTED Vernon Davis, Greg Olson, WHich TE last season? i forget.

--Kelsay plays alright. Good strong lineman who tackles above average. Is no pro-bowl acceptable? It is for me..

We should dump him because you know what two teams were the two top sack teams in the NFL last year? Giants and Pats.

As much as Schobel likes to bull**** about how sacks mean nothing (tell that to Ralph when he asked for a new contract because he had so many sacks that one year), sacks ARE MORE THAN JUST A STAT!

Saying that sacks don't matter is like saying TD's don't matter as long as we have long sustaining drives. ****ing **** matters man. It's not even sacks that's the problem either. We can't even get PRESSURE! We can't even get a sniff at a QB!

[HHURRICANE]

We need DEs and nothing is going to change that this year.

Is Schobel playing on Sunday?

[bigbub2352]

We need DEs and nothing is going to change that this year.

Is Schobel playing on Sunday?

No probably not still limited in practice

[baalworship]

I wanted Derrick Harvey in the draft but unfortunately the Jags wanted him more.

If we can't find a good prospect in the 1st we should look for a pass-rushing specialist in the later rounds that might drop because he is not an every down player.

[Marvelous]

I feel the need to defend Kelsay because he's put down to harshly. Not like he's Erik Flowers, or even Ryan Denney.. The guy is a beast/mauler type. And to not sound repetitive, Sacks are important all around, but when i see 90 play he's more of a stuffer.

-Also, Kelsay is notorious for his "healing hands". How many tip passes ya think he has a season?

--We did draft Ellis. Has he been worth a dmn yet? He was rated pretty high in my backup draft mag workplace. Right behind Harvey & The Hurricane Cambell. That to me sounds like a good DE pick based on hype eh?

--We can continue to draft DE's in the 2nd or 3rd etc, as long as it's not in the 1st round. Unless tehre's some freak of nature type like Seamour, or Matt Roth etc. :lol: But that's the only way i'll be happy to see Kelsay replaced. By a non 1st rounder beating him out in practice. Which is borderline impossible now because of how sound his game is. Not just Kelsay who's on the downs right now & playing mediocre.

-I think everyone/most(bad memory) outside of Greer,McCargo, Reed, Fred Jackson, Lindell,And Kyle Williams,,,,Everyone else is playing like poop or not standing out..Josh Reed is perfect chemistry w/ for Trent so man did we miss him in the 2nd half. And Greer shoulda SHOULDS shoulda been on Ted Ginn. BAH! msut not think about how McGee staying on Ginn cost us the game.. But that's my list of people playing solid and Everyone else INCLUDING Kelsay are struggling. So why single him out? I suspect it's same reason that Josh Reed gets singled out here at the Zone. Because they aren't sexy. I woulda thought more fans woulda had more loyalty to Reed & Kelsay by now... They've been here working hard for years now.....
/move along

--I wanna know who thinks Kelsay is a "BUST". No breaking down what it means. Just BUST or NOT A BUST.

[Marvelous]

I swear if we use our #1 next year on another d-back somebody in that front office is gonna get a beating.

:lmao: :lol: Coming days after the worst pounding ever(top2) by a WR. So yeah, we better stop drafting secondary/CB. Good grief bro, You dish out beatings without thinking on the regular like that?


Denney and Kelsay are below average DEs getting paid above average money
-BB, is tthis a drunk post>? Or do you reallly believe that Kelsay is below league average? So not only is not worthy to start but he's not even average.. So BigBub, howabout you give us your whole team rankings. From below mediocre all the way to elite... If you wanna put blame on ANYONE from the Dolphin game, put it on our HEAD COACH & D-COORD for not pulling Terrence McGee.. Someone shoulda be fired over that..It's probably THEE WORST coaching ignorance in all my years watching....
-aLL I'M SAYING IS IF you're going ot hate, make sure what ya hate with makes sense, or else you're "BLIND hating"..


I think Kelsay is what we call a pile jumper. He pretends to get in on tackles so it looks good on film and he gets praise. (in this case, he got a raise.) So You suspect he jumps on piles to look good on film?? UMM,,,,,Wouldan't that make him look BAD on film? And better in stats? So our film watchers/evaluators aren't going to notice him stat padding or faking tackles by coming in late?? wtf guys..... This is the second seriously rediculous comment that is just rediculous.. See my comment above about "Blind Hating"


I remember that very well... I hated the move.. The last two years worth of production is why. Its a double edge sword because not only did you waste the money on him, when I personally think Denney is just as good for far cheaper, but it restricts what you do in FA or the draft at the position. WOOHOO. Another one... So Kelsays high contract "RESTRICTED" us & will further restrict???? :assclown: So how under the salary cap we're/are we.. Are pressed to teh cap? Are we hurting cash -to- cap? NO, WE ARENT! So why say Kelsays contract limited/constricts us? I know, because poeple want to hate on a player alot more then they have evidence to prove/justify their hate...Bah!

[Buffalogic]

Kelsay makes plays. They aren't sacks or real eye popping glory stats, but come on guys way too much hate on the man. Better production its something you look for out of any position, but the grass isn't always greener.

[SABURZFAN]

we need to do away with white guys as DEs.

[Novacane]

But he has a high motor

[eyedog]

[QUOTE=Marvelous]:lmao: :lol: Coming days after the worst pounding ever(top2) by a WR. So yeah, we better stop drafting secondary/CB. Good grief bro, You dish out beatings without thinking on the regular like that?


Yes Marvelous you and the Bills front office still has yet to fiqure out how you win in the NFL.
The game is won in the trenches and at the qb position. If you get a pass rush you can win with average d-backs. See the Giants last year.
The teams that are good every year always can rush the passer.

Who were the Giants d-backs last year ?
Who were the Giants d-ends ?

Which position won the game ?

Carry on.