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  • patmoran2006
    Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
    • Dec 2005
    • 19840
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    Bills Lineman Have Trouble On The Run

    I think this is a PERFECTLY written article that is summing up the Bills right now.

    http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/columns/story/485607.html


    The Bills are 5-3, still tied for the AFC East lead. But there’s a palpable unease in the air, a growing sense that they’re an average team that is finding its level.

    Suddenly, there are issues everywhere you look. No pass rush. Not enough production out of receivers not named Lee Evans. Trent Edwards is under siege and turning the ball over too much. The special teams are ordinary. The injuries are piling up.

    But the most troubling issue is the run game. The linemen couldn’t block a doorway. The Bills are 26th in the NFL in rushing, 30th in yards per carry. They don’t have a run over 22 yards. Marshawn Lynch is averaging 3.5 a crack.

    When the Bills were unbeaten and finding ways to win in the fourth quarter, it was easy to overlook their problems in the run game. Not now. The weather is unseasonably warm. But you know what’s coming.

    Cold. Wind. Rain. Conditions that used to bring out the defiant, physical personality of the best Bills teams. Running weather. They’d better figure it out soon if they expect to be a playoff team.


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  • gr8slayer
    Registered User
    • Feb 2005
    • 20796
    #2
    Re: Bills Lineman Have Trouble On The Run

    Ditch the zone blocking scheme and the yards will start piling up.
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    • Oaf
      Do you read what you write?
      • Jun 2007
      • 6151
      #3
      Re: Bills Lineman Have Trouble On The Run

      I said, you're 26th in rushing, that's not playoffs, he said

      "I'll remember that comment when we make it."

      That's funny.

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      • Philagape
        WIN NOW
        • Jul 2002
        • 19432
        #4
        Re: Bills Lineman Have Trouble On The Run

        Originally posted by gr8slayer
        Ditch the zone blocking scheme and the yards will start piling up.
        During the offseason, I thought that's what they said they were going to do because it wasn't working much last year either. How can they keep doing what is painfully obviously not working?
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        • Mr. Pink
          Peterman Sucks!
          • Mar 2006
          • 35303
          #5
          Re: Bills Lineman Have Trouble On The Run

          I've been saying since year 1 of Fowler here that the reason we can't run is because we get no push up the middle.

          Just look back at the running of Henry and McGahee as a rookie and compare to McGahee 2nd year through now...

          It doesn't matter what the other guys do when you get no push at the point of attack unless you're running tosses all day long.

          Our running game will not improve until we get a mauler at C. Period.

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          • Patti120
            Registered User
            • Aug 2004
            • 2333
            #6
            Re: Bills Lineman Have Trouble On The Run

            Originally posted by Philagape
            During the offseason, I thought that's what they said they were going to do because it wasn't working much last year either. How can they keep doing what is painfully obviously not working?
            I'm pretty sure that I read something a few months back that said that they have ditched the zone blocking scheme and that they only use it for certain plays. I can't remember where I read it though and I haven't paid enough attention to the oline (other than seeing someone getting owned or missing a block) to be able to tell if they are utilizing the zone scheme on their running plays.

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            • MikeInRoch
              Registered User
              • Sep 2003
              • 10446
              #7
              Re: Bills Lineman Have Trouble On The Run

              Originally posted by gr8slayer
              Ditch the zone blocking scheme and the yards will start piling up.
              Are you suggesting that the problem with that the scheme doesn't work in general? Or that it doesn't work with our personnel? What is it about our personnel that you would think would cause something else to work better?
              "'Clean up your room.', 'Stand up straight.', 'Pick up your feet.', 'Take it like a man.', 'Be nice to your sister.', 'Don't mix beer and wine, ever.'. Oh yeah, 'Don't drive on the railroad track.'"

              "Eh, Phil. That's one I happen to agree with."

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              • gr8slayer
                Registered User
                • Feb 2005
                • 20796
                #8
                Re: Bills Lineman Have Trouble On The Run

                Originally posted by MikeInRoch
                Are you suggesting that the problem with that the scheme doesn't work in general? Or that it doesn't work with our personnel? What is it about our personnel that you would think would cause something else to work better?
                340 pound OL do not zone block well. Isn't it funny that the team that runs the scheme the best (Broncos) have very undersized OL (by NFL standards)? You need athletes to run that, not guys who are 6'7 330+ pounds.

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                • bigbub2352
                  Registered User
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 5386
                  #9
                  Re: Bills Lineman Have Trouble On The Run

                  Zone Blocking is something you use when u have a bunch of unathletic lineman, We are rarely pulling, we dont run sweeps, and we constantly run the ball between the tackles, Also i think are struggles lie in the fact that our C either Preston our Folwer dont secondary block very well, so our rbs are often being hit by uninvaded LBers and that is why we dont get alot of big plays

                  We need to ditch the zone blocking scheme and keep the Defense guessing by trying to run outside a little more as well as counters and misdirections, instead of straight dives betwee nthe tackles

                  Turk sure looked alot more creative in week 1 and 2 then now
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                  • gr8slayer
                    Registered User
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 20796
                    #10
                    Re: Bills Lineman Have Trouble On The Run

                    Originally posted by bigbub2352
                    Zone Blocking is something you use when u have a bunch of unathletic lineman, We are rarely pulling, we dont run sweeps, and we constantly run the ball between the tackles, Also i think are struggles lie in the fact that our C either Preston our Folwer dont secondary block very well, so our rbs are often being hit by uninvaded LBers and that is why we dont get alot of big plays

                    We need to ditch the zone blocking scheme and keep the Defense guessing by trying to run outside a little more as well as counters and misdirections, instead of straight dives betwee nthe tackles

                    Turk sure looked alot more creative in week 1 and 2 then now
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                    • Philagape
                      WIN NOW
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 19432
                      #11
                      Re: Bills Lineman Have Trouble On The Run

                      Originally posted by MikeInRoch
                      Are you suggesting that the problem with that the scheme doesn't work in general? Or that it doesn't work with our personnel? What is it about our personnel that you would think would cause something else to work better?
                      It doesn't work with the personnel. Peters, Dockery and Walker are huge maulers who should be plowing forward. The blocking should be based on sheer brawn, not agility or zone position.
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                      • gr8slayer
                        Registered User
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 20796
                        #12
                        Re: Bills Lineman Have Trouble On The Run

                        Originally posted by Philagape
                        It doesn't work with the personnel. Peters, Dockery and Walker are huge maulers who should be plowing forward. The blocking should be based on sheer brawn, not agility or zone position.
                        Add Butler to that category of "huge maulers".

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                        • Philagape
                          WIN NOW
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 19432
                          #13
                          Re: Bills Lineman Have Trouble On The Run

                          Originally posted by gr8slayer
                          Add Butler to that category of "huge maulers".
                          He's tall, but is he filled out sufficiently for his height? BB.com says 315 ... that seems kinda small for 6-7
                          "It is better to be divided by truth than to be united by error." -- Martin Luther

                          "Those who appease the crocodile will simply be eaten last." -- Winston Churchill

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                          • patmoran2006
                            Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 19840
                            #14
                            Re: Bills Lineman Have Trouble On The Run

                            its not JUSt the OL.. His point was well taken..

                            Suddenly, there are issues everywhere you look. No pass rush. Not enough production out of receivers not named Lee Evans. Trent Edwards is under siege and turning the ball over too much. The special teams are ordinary. The injuries are piling up.


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                            • raphael120
                              Jason Peters rigorous at home training regiment
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 5152
                              #15
                              Re: Bills Lineman Have Trouble On The Run

                              Our Oline is a bunch of overpaid bums. I liked it better when they were bums paid like a bunch of bums.

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