Forked Thread: No passrush - - - Schobel

[Ebenezer]

Forked from: No passrush, another long day.

The Bills defensive ends have been matched up one on one all day and I have counted one time that they won. Unfortunatetly when that happened the DE got held and Cassel then completed another first down.

So, how important is Schobel to this defense?

[OpIv37]

Re: Forked Thread: No passrush - - - Schobel

We had a pass rush when Schobel was playing? Could have fooled me.

Our pass rush is below average with Schobel. It's competely inept without him.

[hydro]

Re: Forked Thread: No passrush - - - Schobel

We had a pass rush when Schobel was playing? Could have fooled me.

Our pass rush is below average with Schobel. It's competely inept without him.

Bingo!

[Ingtar33]

Re: Forked Thread: No passrush - - - Schobel

We had a pass rush when Schobel was playing? Could have fooled me.

Our pass rush is below average with Schobel. It's completely inept without him.

4 games Schobel played -

4 wins - 0 losses
10 sacks
15 ppg against

5 games since Schobel was hurt (he got hurt vs the cards)

1 win - 4 losses
4 sacks
25 ppg against

I'd say that was a big loss.

[Nighthawk]

Re: Forked Thread: No passrush - - - Schobel

4 games Schobel played -

4 wins - 0 losses
10 sacks
15 ppg against

5 games since Schobel was hurt (he got hurt vs the cards)

1 win - 4 losses
4 sacks
25 ppg against

I'd say that was a big loss.

I'd agree. Though I don't think he is worth the money he is getting, he is better then the slugs we have as backups on this team.

[Mahdi]

Re: Forked Thread: No passrush - - - Schobel

4 games Schobel played -

4 wins - 0 losses
10 sacks
15 ppg against

5 games since Schobel was hurt (he got hurt vs the cards)

1 win - 4 losses
4 sacks
25 ppg against

I'd say that was a big loss.

10 sacks in 4 games is not that impressive. The reason we won the first four games was not Schobel. The reason was that we played teams that were having the same problems we were. OL and DL. Raiders, Hawks, Jags, Rams. All those teams have weaknesses along their OL and DL we just managed to outlast them and since we didnt turn the ball over many times in that stretch we stayed in games long enough to steal wins.

[Mahdi]

Re: Forked Thread: No passrush - - - Schobel

10 sacks in 4 games is not that impressive. The reason we won the first four games was not Schobel. The reason was that we played teams that were having the same problems we were. OL and DL. Raiders, Hawks, Jags, Rams. All those teams have weaknesses along their OL and DL we just managed to outlast them and since we didnt turn the ball over many times in that stretch we stayed in games long enough to steal wins.

We will most likely beat the Browns, Niners and Chiefs because none of those cats can get pressure on QBs and we should be able to average 3.8 ypc rather than the 2.8 ypc we are earning now which might just be enough to win.

[madness]

Re: Forked Thread: No passrush - - - Schobel

People can underplay Schobel's impact all they want. The fact of the matter is that opposing offenses always had a game plan specifically for him.

News flash... teams don't game plan against mediocre players! Anybody think Stroud and even Williams (heck, our whole damn line) disappearance act is by coincidence? Without Schobel all they need to do is double Stroud, pick up the un-occasional/predictable blitz and then they can practically walk right down the field.

[Ingtar33]

Re: Forked Thread: No passrush - - - Schobel

10 sacks in 4 games is not that impressive.

I didn't say our d-line was good in those games.

I was saying that it went from mediocre to terrible

Schobel's loss has really hurt our line and defense.

[Mahdi]

Re: Forked Thread: No passrush - - - Schobel

People can underplay Schobel's impact all they want. The fact of the matter is that opposing offenses always had a game plan specifically for him.

News flash... teams don't game plan against mediocre players! Anybody think Stroud and even Williams (heck, our whole damn line) disappearance act is by coincidence? Without Schobel all they need to do is double Stroud, pick up the un-occasional/predictable blitz and then they can practically walk right down the field.

they used to game plan for him. If you watch each snap he is singled up most of the time. One thing I will say that is also affecting his pressure on QBs is the quick throws EVERY team is bleeding us with. Fewell really needs to trust his CBs more and let them press.

[Owen DeBoard]

Re: Forked Thread: No passrush - - - Schobel

People can underplay Schobel's impact all they want. The fact of the matter is that opposing offenses always had a game plan specifically for him.

News flash... teams don't game plan against mediocre players! Anybody think Stroud and even Williams (heck, our whole damn line) disappearance act is by coincidence? Without Schobel all they need to do is double Stroud, pick up the un-occasional/predictable blitz and then they can practically walk right down the field.

Im glad someone sees the same thing I do with Schobel.

[im8th2buffalo]

Re: Forked Thread: No passrush - - - Schobel

No Passrush+ No Protection = No more wins this season
They need to change their gameplan or this is gonna be a long season.
I am tired of them losing!!!
I really want to see improvement on both sides of the ball.

[Mahdi]

Re: Forked Thread: No passrush - - - Schobel

No Passrush+ No Protection = No more wins this season
They need to change their gameplan or this is gonna be a long season.
I am tired of them losing!!!
I really want to see improvement on both sides of the ball.

Its going to have to be some special game plan to get Kelsay and Denney to create pressure on QBs and actually get this OL to somehow become good run blockers.

[im8th2buffalo]

Re: Forked Thread: No passrush - - - Schobel

As big as our Offensive line is, they should be pushing the other teams at will.
Overpaid & (Is it lazy, lack of talent, or apathy)? Open up some holes for a change. And I don't mean holes for the defenders to run through.

[im8th2buffalo]

Re: Forked Thread: No passrush - - - Schobel

Its going to have to be some special game plan to get Kelsay and Denney to create pressure on QBs and actually get this OL to somehow become good run blockers.

I agree they need some special game planning. They also need Kelsey to earn that pay raise that he received.
Other team's backups seem better than some of our starters.