What needs to happen for the Bills to get out of this 9yr Drought? [Archive] - BillsZone.com

bigbub2352

11-30-2008, 06:48 PM

Everyone has there own opinion on what the Bills need to do to get into the playoffs for the first time in going on 9yrs now here are some of my veiws.....

Starting Talent is needed at the following positions:
DE, TE, C, FB, OLB, FS, WR

Depth is needed at the Following Positions
Interior Offensive Line, DT, DE, OLB, TE, FB,

Front office ???
Russ Brandon so far not so good
Tom Modrak how many 1st round bust and poor drafts do we have to suffer thru
Ron Guy how many wrong FA do we need to over pay?

Coaching Staff
Dick jaroun- How much outcoaching do we need to witness?
Roster and depth mismanagement?
Lack of passion
cloack management
Conservativness

Perry Fewell
How many time consuming drives do we have to give up?
How little pressure do we need to have on the QB?
How many big 1st downs are we gonna give up

Sean Kugler
How poor does the oline need to play?
TO many costly penalties?
Not enough tanasity

AVP
Struggled to develop 2 QBs now

Defensive assistants
Failed to develop any talent so far from the drafts
at LBer and Dline

Please give insight on what u think we need to do!!

Mr. Pink

11-30-2008, 06:49 PM

Real GM.

Results will follow.

Owen DeBoard

11-30-2008, 06:55 PM

Real GM.

Results will follow.
Yes a real GM is the start and a real GM will bring in a real coach.

HHURRICANE

11-30-2008, 06:56 PM

We play like a bunch of pussies. Maybe it's time to find some of those undesirables that end up on championship rosters.

Where is the passion on this team. And I'm talking about the ridiculous celebration by Kelsay after his first sack in 11 games.

Mad Bomber

11-30-2008, 07:03 PM

New ownership.

New management.

New coaching staff.

bigbub2352

11-30-2008, 07:34 PM

i couldnt agree more,
When we promoted from within last year we promoted losers, i mean that literally the guys promoted we the guys that evaluated drafted coached and signed players that contributed to us being 14-18
who does that?

Jeff1220

11-30-2008, 07:37 PM

It might help if the NFL went to NHL qualifying standards, where half the conference gets in.

Mr. Cynical

11-30-2008, 08:04 PM

As has been said....new GM...the rest will follow, including the FIRING of the lousy excuse of a head coach. He had ONE WINNING YEAR in Chicago SEVEN YEARS AGO. How much more evidence does Ralph need?

Coaching Results

Glossary (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/about/glossary.htm) · CSV · PRE
<table class="sortable stats_table small_text" id="coaching_results"><thead> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <th class="sort_default_asc" align="left">Year</th> <th class="sort_default_asc" onmouseover="Tip('Player\'s age on December 31st of that year')" align="center">Age</th> <th class="sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="left">Tm</th> <th class="sort_default_asc" onmouseover="Tip('League
NFL - National Football League
AFL - American Football League
AAFC - All-American Football Conference
APFA - American Professional Football Association')" align="center">Lg</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Games played')" align="center">G</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Games Won')" align="center">W</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Games Lost')" align="center">L</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Tie Games')" align="center">T</th> <th class="hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('Win-Loss Percentage of team
For coaches, minimum to qualify for leading is 50 games.
After 1972, ties are counted as half-wins and half-losses.
Prior, the league didn\'t count them as games in W-L% calculations.')" align="center">W-L%</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Playoff games coached in')" align="center">G plyf</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('All Playoff Wins')" align="center">W plyf</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Playoff games lost')" align="center">L plyf</th> <th class="show_partial_when_sorting hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('Win-Loss Percentage of team in playoffs
For coaches, minimum to qualify for leading is 4 games.
Includes games in the pre-Super Bowl era.')" align="center">W-L%</th> <th class="sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" onmouseover="Tip('Team\'s Finish in Division')" align="center">Rank</th> <th class="sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="left">Notes</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">1999 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1999/)</td> <td align="right">49</td> <td align="left">Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1999.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1999_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.375</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2000 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2000/)</td> <td align="right">50</td> <td align="left">Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2000.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2000_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">11</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.313</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2001 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2001/)</td> <td align="right">51</td> <td align="left">Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2001.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2001_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.813</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">.000</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2002 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2002/)</td> <td align="right">52</td> <td align="left">Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2002.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2002_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">12</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.250</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2003 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2003/)</td> <td align="right">53</td> <td align="left">Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2003.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2003_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2005 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2005/)</td> <td align="right">55</td> <td align="left">Detroit Lions (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/2005.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">5 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/2005_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.200</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2006 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2006/)</td> <td align="right">56</td> <td align="left">Buffalo Bills (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2006.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2006_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2007 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2007/)</td> <td align="right">57</td> <td align="left">Buffalo Bills (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2007.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2007_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2008 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2008/)</td> <td align="right">58</td> <td align="left">Buffalo Bills (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2008.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">11 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2008_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.545</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> </tbody> <tfoot> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class="stat_total"> <td align="left">9 yrs</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">128</td> <td align="right">56</td> <td align="right">72</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="" align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">.000</td> <td align="right">3.1</td> <td align="left">Avg Finish</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class="stat_total"> <td align="left">5 yrs</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">CHI</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">80</td> <td align="right">35</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="" align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">.000</td> <td align="right">3.4</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class="stat_total"> <td align="left">3 yrs</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">BUF</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">43</td> <td align="right">20</td> <td align="right">23</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">.465</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">
</td> <td align="right">2.7</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class="stat_total"> <td align="left">1 yr</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">DET</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">.200</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3.0</td> <td align="left">
</td></tr></tfoot></table>

Nighthawk

11-30-2008, 08:06 PM

As has been said....new GM...the rest will follow, including the FIRING of the lousy excuse of a head coach. He had ONE WINNING YEAR in Chicago SEVEN YEARS AGO. How much more evidence does Ralph need?

Coaching Results

Glossary (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/about/glossary.htm) · CSV · PRE
<table class="sortable stats_table small_text" id="coaching_results"><thead> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <th class="sort_default_asc" align="left">Year</th> <th class="sort_default_asc" onmouseover="Tip('Player\'s age on December 31st of that year')" align="center">Age</th> <th class="sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="left">Tm</th> <th class="sort_default_asc" onmouseover="Tip('League
NFL - National Football League
AFL - American Football League
AAFC - All-American Football Conference
APFA - American Professional Football Association')" align="center">Lg</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Games played')" align="center">G</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Games Won')" align="center">W</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Games Lost')" align="center">L</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Tie Games')" align="center">T</th> <th class="hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('Win-Loss Percentage of team
For coaches, minimum to qualify for leading is 50 games.
After 1972, ties are counted as half-wins and half-losses.
Prior, the league didn\'t count them as games in W-L% calculations.')" align="center">W-L%</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Playoff games coached in')" align="center">G plyf</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('All Playoff Wins')" align="center">W plyf</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Playoff games lost')" align="center">L plyf</th> <th class="show_partial_when_sorting hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('Win-Loss Percentage of team in playoffs
For coaches, minimum to qualify for leading is 4 games.
Includes games in the pre-Super Bowl era.')" align="center">W-L%</th> <th class="sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" onmouseover="Tip('Team\'s Finish in Division')" align="center">Rank</th> <th class="sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="left">Notes</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">1999 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1999/)</td> <td align="right">49</td> <td align="left">Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1999.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1999_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.375</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2000 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2000/)</td> <td align="right">50</td> <td align="left">Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2000.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2000_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">11</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.313</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2001 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2001/)</td> <td align="right">51</td> <td align="left">Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2001.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2001_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.813</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">.000</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2002 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2002/)</td> <td align="right">52</td> <td align="left">Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2002.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2002_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">12</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.250</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2003 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2003/)</td> <td align="right">53</td> <td align="left">Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2003.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2003_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2005 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2005/)</td> <td align="right">55</td> <td align="left">Detroit Lions (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/2005.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">5 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/2005_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.200</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2006 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2006/)</td> <td align="right">56</td> <td align="left">Buffalo Bills (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2006.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2006_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2007 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2007/)</td> <td align="right">57</td> <td align="left">Buffalo Bills (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2007.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2007_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2008 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2008/)</td> <td align="right">58</td> <td align="left">Buffalo Bills (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2008.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">11 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2008_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.545</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> </tbody> <tfoot> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class="stat_total"> <td align="left">9 yrs</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">128</td> <td align="right">56</td> <td align="right">72</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="" align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">.000</td> <td align="right">3.1</td> <td align="left">Avg Finish</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class="stat_total"> <td align="left">5 yrs</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">CHI</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">80</td> <td align="right">35</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="" align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">.000</td> <td align="right">3.4</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class="stat_total"> <td align="left">3 yrs</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">BUF</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">43</td> <td align="right">20</td> <td align="right">23</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">.465</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">
</td> <td align="right">2.7</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class="stat_total"> <td align="left">1 yr</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">DET</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">.200</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3.0</td> <td align="left">
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You're correct...get a real GM and get a real HC and watch this team succeed.

Ebenezer

11-30-2008, 08:12 PM

New owner. Everything evolves from there.

tat2dmike77

11-30-2008, 08:46 PM

i couldnt agree more,
When we promoted from within last year we promoted losers, i mean that literally the guys promoted we the guys that evaluated drafted coached and signed players that contributed to us being 14-18
who does that?

A owner who would rather save money for his family when he dies then spend money and put a winning product on the field. Thats who does that.

Bling

11-30-2008, 08:53 PM

You guys should consider blowing it up. Marv Levy was a mediocre GM, and Modrak is even worse. Jauron is a career loser, I can't believe some of you tried convincing me otherwise. Then you should start by getting talent along the D-Line. Nobody there is scary. Don't even try to tell me about injury prone Stroud. You have no pass rush. You also don't keep your talent, e.g. Nate Clements. Your O-line is funny too. Remember when Dockery was just a Pro Bowl waiting to happen. I'm still waiting. The only player worth a damn was Jason Peters, and you guys let him get fat. Way to go. :up: