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  • Jan Reimers
    Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
    • May 2003
    • 17353

    Whats wrong? How do we fix this?

    (1.) Everything. (2.) A total housecleaning.
    Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?
  • X-Era
    What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
    • Feb 2005
    • 27670

    #2
    Re: Whats wrong? How do we fix this?

    Well, the answer is that it wont come cheap and we cant be conservative

    QB- Trent may or may not be the answer we dont know. The mere fact that he is so up and down directly leads to wins and losses. If you want to be a playoff team, you cant afford that type of situation.
    The right move: Draft a QB and sign a vet who can win games for us. A guy like Garcia would be nice. In the draft guys like Harrell, McCoy, maybe Stafford

    The Bills likely move: Sign a vet like Charlie Fry or Kyle Boller who wont cost them much of anything but who they can try to argue that has upside still. Then probably not draft a QB at all.

    RB- Just fine IMO.

    WR- Has anyone seen James Hardy? Im just wondering if we didnt screw ourselves yet again with a 2nd round WR (Josh Reed). The really sick part is that Josh Reed actually looks good these days. Well, hes not getting younger and were not getting better at WR. The thought was that we needed an upgrade at #2 WR spot if we all remember. That mission has failed so far.
    The right move: Sign someone like TJ Houshmazilly. He helps us day one, is a true playmaker, and will demand to be covered.

    The Bills Likely move: Probably not do muc of anything at WR feeling that Hardy will get better and Reed is good enough.

    TE- Royal has played better, Schouman has made some plays as has Fine. But none of them is the Antonio Gates type player, nor the Jason Witten type. These type of playmakers force the D to respect them and make everyone elses lives easier.
    The right move: Draft a guy who can play day one, and probably start mid season. Pick your type whether it be the massive blocker who can catch or the speedy, receiver who can sometimes block. Gresham, Pettigrew, Coffman, Cook, all can play and any of them can help us.

    The likely Bills move- Either to skip the position in the draft all together or to draft someone late or sign the next Courtney Anderson.

    OL- The have played well and not so well. The current lineup is the best temporary solution with Preston at the C spot. Unfortunately, that still leaves us weak-ish at RG and Preston is set to be a FA.
    The right move: Draft a C in the mid-rounds and probably a G. Guys like Caldwell, Shipley, or Wood would be good. At G finding guys like Herman Johnson would be nice

    The Bills move: Draft a C in round 7 who will keep that spot mediocre will into the future.

    DL- We dont have a single DE that is a true playmaker, not one. We also dont have much depth at DT. We simply cant win playoff games (if we ever get there) without a pass rush. Hell, we probably will never beat the Pats either.
    The right move- make it a priority to get the sack artist playmaker at DE that we have needed for a decade. Signing Peppers would be ideal but the draft is more likely. GUys like Selvie, Hardy, Johnson, Brown all could be just what we need.

    The Bills move- I think they actually address this in the offseason. It probably will be a draftee and may even be an early pick. But they probably screw it up with some "high motor" type who doesnt have the sacks to go with his motor.

    LB- Crowell screwed us hard, thats for sure. Mitchell has been sketchy too often for being such a highly touted FA signee. If we dont get better at LB we will continue to be eaten alive in the 10-20 yard seems and over the middle. Poz is a great you talent, but he cant do it alone.
    The right move- sign a guy like Terrell Suggs who makes a huge impact at OLB and on the pass rush. Or, draft someone like Curry who looks like he has the potential to be very good. I wouldnt even mind kicking Poz to OLB and drafting a guy like Lauranitis, Brandon Spikes.

    The Bills move- They probably go and draft a young guy, and may even gert one that helps us right away.

    CB- I think were getting better here even though it looks like were getting worse with Greer out. McKelvin is learning on the field. Weeve seen with Clements, and Winfield that it just takes time and ifthe talent is there, they will become plenty good enough.
    The right move- Resign Greer, let McKelvin compete with him. I would also resign Youbouty who has shown he about ready to be trusted to make some plays, just not be one of the outside CB's.

    The Bills likely move- Let Greer and Youbouty both walk feeling that Corner and McKelvin will be fine. Then draft a 7th round CB like this years Cox to develop.

    S- Without Whitner, were hurting. Simpson can play but only sometimes. I still havent seen much from this group in terms of covering the part of the field they are responsible for.
    The right move- draft guys who can hit like trucks and have the speed to cover lots of ground. Guys like Moore, Harris, Rolle, or Mays make a ton of sense.

    The Bills move- probably nothing. They keep Scott and continue to bank on Simpson. They probably resign Wilson.

    ST- LIndell has been reliable, but he screwed us this last game. I guess after 53 in a row or whatever, hes entitled to make a few mistakes.
    The right move- probably stay the course. Add a few speedy guys who can tackle. Consider replacing Neil, adding a LB or two with speed like Casillas.

    The Bills move- they probably get it right
    Coaching- IM onthe fence on Jauron. I think he manages to get alot out of his talent for the most part. But he screws up too many game day decisions and he doesnt show the leadership to get his tream to turn it around during games. The OC and DC I wouldnt mind jettisoning. But considering the years it will take to get a new offennse installed and working, Id rather just force our OC to to make better calls.
    The right move- Go get a guy like the chin who will force the team to win and get a winning spirit.

    The Bills move- stick with Jauron

    Front office- Its a joke IMO. and yes that includes Ralph.
    The right move- get Golisano, which will only happen if Ralph passes. Get rid of Brandon. Bring in a young, proven GM.

    The Bills move- stay the course, which happens to be heading us to end up completely lost.

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    • gr8slayer
      Registered User
      • Feb 2005
      • 20796

      #3
      Re: Whats wrong? How do we fix this?

      New owner...

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      • Jan Reimers
        Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
        • May 2003
        • 17353

        #4
        Re: Whats wrong? How do we fix this?

        Originally posted by Dreadnought94
        New owner...
        Really good start.
        Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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        • X-Era
          What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
          • Feb 2005
          • 27670

          #5
          Re: Whats wrong? How do we fix this?

          Originally posted by Jan Reimers
          Really good start.
          Huge new start. There would be no move that could make a bigger impact than that.

          I can blame players for games

          I can blame coaches for a year

          I can blame a GM for a few years

          But I can only blame an owner for decades

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          • kscdogbillsfan1221
            Registered User
            • Nov 2007
            • 5652

            #6
            Re: Whats wrong? How do we fix this?

            [quote=EdwardsEra]Well, the answer is that it wont come cheap and we cant be conservative

            QB- Trent may or may not be the answer we dont know. The mere fact that he is so up and down directly leads to wins and losses. If you want to be a playoff team, you cant afford that type of situation.
            The right move: Draft a QB and sign a vet who can win games for us. A guy like Garcia would be nice. In the draft guys like Harrell, McCoy, maybe Stafford

            The Bills likely move: Sign a vet like Charlie Fry or Kyle Boller who wont cost them much of anything but who they can try to argue that has upside still. Then probably not draft a QB at all.

            RB- Just fine IMO.

            WR- Has anyone seen James Hardy? Im just wondering if we didnt screw ourselves yet again with a 2nd round WR (Josh Reed). The really sick part is that Josh Reed actually looks good these days. Well, hes not getting younger and were not getting better at WR. The thought was that we needed an upgrade at #2 WR spot if we all remember. That mission has failed so far.
            The right move: Sign someone like TJ Houshmazilly. He helps us day one, is a true playmaker, and will demand to be covered.

            The Bills Likely move: Probably not do muc of anything at WR feeling that Hardy will get better and Reed is good enough.

            TE- Royal has played better, Schouman has made some plays as has Fine. But none of them is the Antonio Gates type player, nor the Jason Witten type. These type of playmakers force the D to respect them and make everyone elses lives easier.
            The right move: Draft a guy who can play day one, and probably start mid season. Pick your type whether it be the massive blocker who can catch or the speedy, receiver who can sometimes block. Gresham, Pettigrew, Coffman, Cook, all can play and any of them can help us.


            incredible post. good work. best one I've seen in a while
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            I saw.
            I conquered.

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            • yordad
              Registered User
              • Dec 2007
              • 11867

              #7
              Re: Whats wrong? How do we fix this?

              Good thread Jan, lol, and nice reply edwardsera.

              1. Sign Peppers

              2. Re-sign Jackson and hopefully Greer.

              3. Get me a FS, I'll take Mike Brown

              4. Draft me a LB round 1

              5. Draft me a TE round 2

              6. Draft me a center Round 3

              7. Draft me a FB round 4.

              8. Oh, and get a real coach.

              That's it. I think adding 1 or 2 FA and re-signing a FA or 2 are fairly modest wants. One friggin' guy, one frigging good DE, could make all the difference.
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              • X-Era
                What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                • Feb 2005
                • 27670

                #8
                Re: Whats wrong? How do we fix this?

                Originally posted by yordad
                Good thread Jan, lol, and nice reply edwardsera.

                1. Sign Peppers

                2. Re-sign Jackson and hopefully Greer.

                3. Get me a FS, I'll take Mike Brown

                4. Draft me a LB round 1

                5. Draft me a TE round 2

                6. Draft me a center Round 3

                7. Draft me a FB round 4.

                8. Oh, and get a real coach.



                That's it. I think adding 1 or 2 FA and re-signing a FA or 2 are fairly modest wants. One friggin' guy, one frigging good DE, could make all the difference.
                I actually tried to post my long text but it got screwed up and never posted the text.

                Anyways, Peppers would be ideal. Hes going toget the tag. Terrell Suggs supposedly isnt. He would fix both the pass rush and fill a OLB spot. Theres draft prospects that might do it but we will have to see.

                LB- agree, TE- agree, C- agree, FB? OK maybe. I still would go after a G, a backup ILB, and another CB.

                I think the key is to make significant upgrades to the team. Late round draftees are not significant upgrades, thats more of the same. Nor is signing second tier guys.

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                • SpillerThrills
                  Registered User
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 1922

                  #9
                  Re: Whats wrong? How do we fix this?

                  I'd like to see us go get a guy like James Laurinaitis from Ohio State at LB
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                  • X-Era
                    What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 27670

                    #10
                    Re: Whats wrong? How do we fix this?

                    Originally posted by jerhwt
                    I'd like to see us go get a guy like James Laurinaitis from Ohio State at LB
                    Hes a stud no doubt about it.

                    I like it but only if we think Poz can play outside or if we switch to the 3-4.

                    Switching to the 3-4 would make way much more sense. Our O would get a ton of reps against it and learn how to beat it, we could play to the strength of the draft which is at ILB rather than OLB. And we could go after someone like Orakpo

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                    • yordad
                      Registered User
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 11867

                      #11
                      Re: Whats wrong? How do we fix this?

                      Yes a FB. It is the 11th position, and ours sees a good amount of time on the field.
                      I think we have to do something with the 11th position. Either play w 2 TEs, 3 WRs, or 2 half backs every time... or get a FB that is good and versatile.

                      I mean, who do you want on the field... Schouman, Fred Jackson, Hardy, Johnson, Parrish.... or McIntyre? I would rather see Kirk Chambers as the 11th guy rather then a crappy FB.

                      We are practicality fielding 10 guys. Mc probably gets in the way more then he paves one.

                      I would like to see one that is not only an adequate blocker (run and pass), but one who is an adequate dump-pass-catcher and 2-yard-pounder.

                      I mean, what the heck is Omon doing? If he converted, he wouldn't be the smallest FB in the league. The NFL has to have added some weight to him too.

                      Anyways, FB has been as neglected as TE. Either stop playing one, or get one.
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                      • X-Era
                        What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 27670

                        #12
                        Re: Whats wrong? How do we fix this?

                        Originally posted by yordad
                        Yes a FB. It is the 11th position, and ours sees a good amount of time on the field.
                        I think we have to do something with the 11th position. Either play w 2 TEs, 3 WRs, or 2 half backs every time... or get a FB that is good and versatile.

                        I mean, who do you want on the field... Schouman, Fred Jackson, Hardy/Johnson/Parrish.... or McIntyre? I would rather see Kirk Chambers as the 11th guy rather then a crappy FB.

                        We are practicality fielding 10 guys. Mc probably get in the way more then he paves one.

                        I would like to see one that is not only an adequate blocker (run and pass), but one who is an adequate dump-pass-catcher and 2-yard-pounder.

                        I mean, what the heck is Omon doing? If he converted, he wouldn't be the smallest FB in the league. The NFL has to have added some weight.

                        Anyways, FB has been as neglected as TE. Either stop playing one, or get one.
                        Im a huge fan of the 1 back set. It leaves the D guessing as to what were going to do and gives you extra receiving options. We run the zone blocking technique quite a bit so I think we could do it. It also gives the RB more room to run, Lynch does best when he has a bit of run to make moves. Plus it takes the FB off the field.

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                        • SpillerThrills
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                          • Oct 2005
                          • 1922

                          #13
                          Re: Whats wrong? How do we fix this?

                          I don't know why we don't just use a TE or LB as a fullback like a few other teams do... they aren't usually going to get the ball, their mostly there to clear someone out of the hole...
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                          • Mad Bomber
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 12927

                            #14
                            Re: Whats wrong? How do we fix this?

                            Originally posted by Jan Reimers
                            (1.) Everything. (2.) A total housecleaning.
                            Jan,
                            This may sound REALLY callous, but we need Ralph to die and get new ownership.

                            New ownership, who completely changes our front office, is the only "housecleaning" that we'll ever get.

                            I feel bad about the Ralph dying thing, but lets face it....this guy is 2 years younger than my dad. My dad could do a better job with this team than Ralph has....

                            ...trust me....he tells me that all the time.

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                            • The Jokeman
                              Registered User
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 9995

                              #15
                              Re: Whats wrong? How do we fix this?

                              Originally posted by EdwardsEra
                              I actually tried to post my long text but it got screwed up and never posted the text.

                              Anyways, Peppers would be ideal. Hes going toget the tag. Terrell Suggs supposedly isnt. He would fix both the pass rush and fill a OLB spot. Theres draft prospects that might do it but we will have to see.

                              LB- agree, TE- agree, C- agree, FB? OK maybe. I still would go after a G, a backup ILB, and another CB.

                              I think the key is to make significant upgrades to the team. Late round draftees are not significant upgrades, thats more of the same. Nor is signing second tier guys.
                              Suggs= Jeff Posey with more money. He plays rush OLB in a 3-4 and likely be a bad fit here. If you're going to go that route let's go the cheap and sign Bertrard Berry and let us get more money for a guy like Whoursyourmama at play WR. In all honesty if look closely at thedraft very few players really make big impacts so I wouldn't be opposed trading our 1st for a guy like Tony Gonzalez and get a 5th rounder back from KC.

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