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  • BillsWin
    man amongst boys
    • Oct 2008
    • 6025

    Steve Johnson starts next year.

    just a completely BOLD statement by me. But I think he has more immediate upside then Hardy at this point. With Hardy's lack of experience in football, his injury, him being benched... well, I just have this feeling that it will take Hardy another year maybe 2 to completely become a number 2 WR.

    I think Steve is ready to be a #3 now.


    crazy huh?

    be gentle I have been drinking all day, but what do you guys think?
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  • THE END OF ALL DAYS
    The Allen Era has begun.... no looking back now, come hell or high water!
    • Feb 2005
    • 4525

    #2
    Re: Steve Johnson starts next year.

    I think cowher will whip him into shape
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    • Night Train
      Retired - On Several Levels
      • Jul 2005
      • 33117

      #3
      Re: Steve Johnson starts next year.

      He's ready to be a #2 right now, let alone a #3. Great hands & patterns.

      The next coach will have some talent to work with.

      It's only hopeless with the current staff & schemes.
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      • BillsWin
        man amongst boys
        • Oct 2008
        • 6025

        #4
        Re: Steve Johnson starts next year.

        Im sobering up, and I still have a feeling my bro Steve will be starting.
        Last edited by BillsWin; 12-14-2008, 09:44 PM.
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        • Mitchy moo
          Roways rooking ahread!
          • Sep 2005
          • 18380

          #5
          Re: Steve Johnson starts next year.

          Originally posted by keithtr
          I think cowher will whip him into shape

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          • Jaybird
            Registered User
            • Dec 2005
            • 1908

            #6
            Re: Steve Johnson starts next year.

            i thought he would turn into the steal of the draft prior to the season... so let's see it

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            • DraftBoy
              Administrator
              • Jul 2002
              • 107442

              #7
              Re: Steve Johnson starts next year.

              Ummm....No....

              If he is thats not a good sign at all...
              COMING SOON...
              Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
              We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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              • BillsWin
                man amongst boys
                • Oct 2008
                • 6025

                #8
                Re: Steve Johnson starts next year.

                Originally posted by DraftBoy
                Ummm....No....

                If he is thats not a good sign at all...
                youre always bias on players. especially if you didnt want us to take them. The Bills can't always go off your board DB!

                GIVE THE KID A CHANCE! what has he done to show he's NOT ready?
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                • DraftBoy
                  Administrator
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 107442

                  #9
                  Re: Steve Johnson starts next year.

                  Originally posted by BillsWin
                  youre always bias on players. especially if you didnt want us to take them. The Bills can't always go off your board DB!

                  GIVE THE KID A CHANCE! what has he done to show he's NOT ready?

                  Its not about being ready its the fact that he would of passed Reed on the depth chart who is our best all-around WR and would further tell us that taking Roscoe where we did was a mistake and you have no idea what growth Hardy will show in the offseason, also 9 catches tells you basically nothing overall about if a kid is ready or not. He has a drop or two this season and his blocking is not where we would like it to be. Also communication on play break downs are another thing Id like to see him work on. Working his way back to the QB and being conscious of the clock in his head.

                  Also please at least know what you are talking about before you accuse me of anything. I liked the Johnson pick, I graded it highly.
                  COMING SOON...
                  Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                  We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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                  • BillsWin
                    man amongst boys
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 6025

                    #10
                    Re: Steve Johnson starts next year.

                    Originally posted by DraftBoy
                    Its not about being ready its the fact that he would of passed Reed on the depth chart who is our best all-around WR and would further tell us that taking Roscoe where we did was a mistake and you have no idea what growth Hardy will show in the offseason, also 9 catches tells you basically nothing overall about if a kid is ready or not. He has a drop or two this season and his blocking is not where we would like it to be. Also communication on play break downs are another thing Id like to see him work on. Working his way back to the QB and being conscious of the clock in his head.

                    Also please at least know what you are talking about before you accuse me of anything. I liked the Johnson pick, I graded it highly.
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                    • DraftBoy
                      Administrator
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 107442

                      #11
                      Re: Steve Johnson starts next year.

                      Originally posted by BillsWin
                      It's because I hate you.

                      Get in line, I have my own fan club.
                      COMING SOON...
                      Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                      We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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                      • BillsWin
                        man amongst boys
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 6025

                        #12
                        Re: Steve Johnson starts next year.

                        also, I rated Johnson 4th-5th round. I had no clue hed drop to 7th. or that no WR would be taken till the 2nd for that matter.

                        and you got to admit. you can be bias towards the players YOU want.

                        Hardy MAY show growth, but hasnt shown much


                        I am curious to know where you put Hardy on your boards though???
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                        • BillsWin
                          man amongst boys
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 6025

                          #13
                          Re: Steve Johnson starts next year.

                          Originally posted by DraftBoy
                          Get in line, I have my own fan club.
                          I know, I'll be running for president next month...
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                          • Dr. Lecter
                            Zero for Zero!
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 67946

                            #14
                            Re: Steve Johnson starts next year.

                            Originally posted by DraftBoy
                            Its not about being ready its the fact that he would of passed Reed on the depth chart who is our best all-around WR and would further tell us that taking Roscoe where we did was a mistake and you have no idea what growth Hardy will show in the offseason, also 9 catches tells you basically nothing overall about if a kid is ready or not. He has a drop or two this season and his blocking is not where we would like it to be. Also communication on play break downs are another thing Id like to see him work on. Working his way back to the QB and being conscious of the clock in his head.

                            Also please at least know what you are talking about before you accuse me of anything. I liked the Johnson pick, I graded it highly.
                            OK, so he can't know how much Hardy will evolve, but you know exactly how much Johnson will evolve?

                            The kid is playing much better in the 2nd half of the season in his limited opportunities.

                            BTW, if Hardy blew his knee out he likely will miss part of next season and fall behind.
                            Originally posted by mysticsoto
                            Lecter is right in everything he said.

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                            • DraftBoy
                              Administrator
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 107442

                              #15
                              Re: Steve Johnson starts next year.

                              Originally posted by BillsWin
                              also, I rated Johnson 4th-5th round. I had no clue hed drop to 7th. or that no WR would be taken till the 2nd for that matter.

                              and you got to admit. you can be bias towards the players YOU want.

                              Hardy MAY show growth, but hasnt shown much


                              I am curious to know where you put Hardy on your boards though???

                              That's nice, and nobody predicted the 1st Round WR drought we saw. I had Johnson as a 6th Round prospect. Not bad overall, but only two years of DI ball and only one year of big play time. He showed he can play ball but consistency was the question for him, plus limited upside.

                              I can be bias, but so is everybody else. Everybody likes who they like, and don't like who they don't like.

                              Hardy was the #4 WR;

                              1. Thomas
                              2. Sweed
                              3. Doucet
                              4. Hardy

                              Scouting Report:
                              Originally posted by 2008 BZ Draft Guide
                              4. James Hardy-Indiana 6’5, 217lbs, 4.51-40
                              Pros:
                              -Size
                              -Beat the Jam
                              -Strength
                              -Wingspan

                              Cons:
                              -Off the Field
                              -Struggles against Bigger CB’s
                              -Consistency
                              -Raw

                              An extremely raw prospect that has incredible size, Hardy uses his size to shield defenders from the ball and is extremely hard to defend against when he’s on his game. While he has the ability and measurable to escape the jam, Hardy struggled against some of the bigger and more physical Big 10 corners. He must improve his route running and his consistency but he has #1 WR potential.
                              COMING SOON...
                              Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                              We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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