So...Whitner. He'll Be an Impact Player Soon, Right?

[raphael120]

He shows me nothing.

He got picked on A LOT in the game and I think he's more of a liability in pass coverage than anything.

Same with Poz. I just think that either Poz and Whitner aren't that good, or we're just not using them right.

There are players drafted lower than Whitner who are making bigger impacts.

No INTs, no fumbles, only 1...ONE pass defended. He only has 1 sack.

It's getting to the point where there is no one from the '06 draft who is useful at all.

[hydro]

Re: So...Whitner. He'll Be an Impact Player Soon, Right?

He gets "picked on" in one game and he is a liability in coverage. Ok...

[raphael120]

Re: So...Whitner. He'll Be an Impact Player Soon, Right?

He gets "picked on" in one game and he is a liability in coverage. Ok...

It's not just 1 game, genius. Try most of them he's played in.

Name 1 game where he has made a huge play.

[OpIv37]

Re: So...Whitner. He'll Be an Impact Player Soon, Right?

He gets "picked on" in one game and he is a liability in coverage. Ok...

he gave up TD's two games in a row. He gave up a TD to Carlson against Seattle. HE consistently struggles against TE's in pass coverage. He rarely if ever gets his hands on the ball (and there are stats to prove it). Calling him a "liability" may be going a little too far, but it's been a LOT more than one game where he got "picked on."

The Jets game was one of the worst he's played.

But for some reason, Whitner is sacred around here. No matter how poorly he plays, everyone rushes to his defense. What is it about this guy that makes him immune from criticism?

[patmoran2006]

Re: So...Whitner. He'll Be an Impact Player Soon, Right?

like it or not, Whitner has played more like a 4th or 5th rounder than the 8th pick in the draft.

It was a TERRIBLE move by Levy/Modrak in hindsight, when guys like Sims, Ngata and especially Cutler went soon after.

[DraftBoy]

Re: So...Whitner. He'll Be an Impact Player Soon, Right?

He is doing what was expected of him out of college. A solid coverage guy, who is a good tackler. He'll get beat and make mistakes in coverage, but he'll never be a ball hawk. So for some to expect these stats from him that are beyond reality is just as bad as those who think he's sacred too. Whitner has had a down year but as a whole we could be doing a lot worse at SS. He should be playing CB, imo.

[hydro]

Re: So...Whitner. He'll Be an Impact Player Soon, Right?

he gave up TD's two games in a row. He gave up a TD to Carlson against Seattle. HE consistently struggles against TE's in pass coverage. He rarely if ever gets his hands on the ball (and there are stats to prove it). Calling him a "liability" may be going a little too far, but it's been a LOT more than one game where he got "picked on."

The Jets game was one of the worst he's played.

But for some reason, Whitner is sacred around here. No matter how poorly he plays, everyone rushes to his defense. What is it about this guy that makes him immune from criticism?

Because everytime he makes one mistake it is blown out of proportion. Watch a whole Colts season and tell me if Bob Sanders plays PERFECT every game.

[trapezeus]

Re: So...Whitner. He'll Be an Impact Player Soon, Right?

i like whitner, but his play is falling off big time. and he isn't even an impact player to begin with.

I was at the arizona game where the cardinals literally carved us up like a turkey. and anytime whitner came up on the slot receiver, the pass went to the Whitner receiver. it was usually completed and it was usually 3rd down. The play would result in a first down.

I realize he's playing severely injured right now, but these are the signs that the front office player personell is not getting the job done. They are missing on so many picks it's disgusting. The bills have been a 5-11 to 8-8 team for 7 years now. We need much better picks than this.

[OpIv37]

Re: So...Whitner. He'll Be an Impact Player Soon, Right?

Because everytime he makes one mistake it is blown out of proportion. Watch a whole Colts season and tell me if Bob Sanders plays PERFECT every game.

Once again, when Whitner balances out his mistakes with big plays like Bob Sanders does, people will stop talking about them. Whitner brings the propensity to make mistakes without the potential for the big play.

And the guy was picked at #8. He's supposed to be under the microscope.

[OpIv37]

Re: So...Whitner. He'll Be an Impact Player Soon, Right?

and btw I really despise this "It's ok for Whitner to make mistakes because Bob Sanders does too" mentality. Everyone is responsible for their own performance and what someone else does on a different team is irrelevant.

[hydro]

Re: So...Whitner. He'll Be an Impact Player Soon, Right?

and btw I really despise this "It's ok for Whitner to make mistakes because Bob Sanders does too" mentality. Everyone is responsible for their own performance and what someone else does on a different team is irrelevant.

So you can't compare players? Especially when this "Big Play" stuff comes up because the week before someone saw Bob Sanders on ESPN? How else does the big play stuff come up?

[HHURRICANE]

Re: So...Whitner. He'll Be an Impact Player Soon, Right?

Whitner should be moved to CB and if Yobouty comes back healthy we should make him the SS.

Poz should be playing OLB not MLB.

[EDS]

Re: So...Whitner. He'll Be an Impact Player Soon, Right?

Once again, when Whitner balances out his mistakes with big plays like Bob Sanders does, people will stop talking about them. Whitner brings the propensity to make mistakes without the potential for the big play.

And the guy was picked at #8. He's supposed to be under the microscope.

I agree. You just don't draft a safety with the 8th pick in the draft unless you think the guy will be a game changer. Whitner hasn't been that for the Bills so in my mind, he is a disappointment.

I like the idea of switching him to corner except for the dearth of starting caliber safety talent on the Bills roster.

[gr8slayer]

Re: So...Whitner. He'll Be an Impact Player Soon, Right?

He's doing exactly what's asked of him given the scheme. Put him in a defense where he is free to roam and play up at the line more and you'd see better results.

[OpIv37]

Re: So...Whitner. He'll Be an Impact Player Soon, Right?

So you can't compare players? Especially when this "Big Play" stuff comes up because the week before someone saw Bob Sanders on ESPN? How else does the big play stuff come up?

see, now you're changing the topic.

This thread wasn't about Whitner not making big plays. It was about something much more elementary: making mistakes and getting beat in coverage. You're the one who made the Bob Sanders comparison, not the people criticizing Whitner. No one is saying Whitner should be Bob Sanders- we are saying he should make fewer mistakes and be better in coverage.

You're mentality seems to be "It's ok if Whitner gets 'picked on' because Bob Sanders makes mistakes too." Well, it's NOT ok. Pass coverage is part of Whitner's job and he blew it the last two weeks.