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  • Owen DeBoard
    Registered User
    • Sep 2007
    • 911

    Proof that coaching and front office trumps talent

    Take a look at the Dallas Cowboys. Most talented team on paper and not getting into the playoffs. The biggest loss for them last offseason was not a player but a man named Bill Parcels.
    To be the man you got to beat the man!
  • X-Era
    What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
    • Feb 2005
    • 27670

    #2
    Re: Proof that coaching and front office trumps talent

    Originally posted by Owen DeBoard
    Take a look at the Dallas Cowboys. Most talented team on paper and not getting into the playoffs. The biggest loss for them last offseason was not a player but a man named Bill Parcels.
    Agree, talent wont do it all, but it helps

    I want sweeping changes at ALL levels, not just talent. But if we go our typical newbie HC route, we better get much much better on talent level or we are doomed to more of the same.

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    • madness
      Registered User
      • Apr 2003
      • 13690

      #3
      Re: Proof that coaching and front office trumps talent

      Proof that consistant QB play trumps all the above???

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      • Owen DeBoard
        Registered User
        • Sep 2007
        • 911

        #4
        Re: Proof that coaching and front office trumps talent

        Originally posted by EdwardsEra
        Agree, talent wont do it all, but it helps

        I want sweeping changes at ALL levels, not just talent. But if we go our typical newbie HC route, we better get much much better on talent level or we are doomed to more of the same.
        I mean seriously Dallas is loaded with talent on both sides of the ball. They have a guy on defense that could have broke the sack record this year and have an explosive offense as any other team in the league.
        To be the man you got to beat the man!

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        • BILLSROCK1212
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          • Mar 2006
          • 5269

          #5
          Re: Proof that coaching and front office trumps talent

          Originally posted by Owen DeBoard
          Take a look at the Dallas Cowboys. Most talented team on paper and not getting into the playoffs. The biggest loss for them last offseason was not a player but a man named Bill Parcels.
          don't forget the 'Skins as well

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          • X-Era
            What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
            • Feb 2005
            • 27670

            #6
            Re: Proof that coaching and front office trumps talent

            Originally posted by Owen DeBoard
            I mean seriously Dallas is loaded with talent on both sides of the ball. They have a guy on defense that could have broke the sack record this year and have an explosive offense as any other team in the league.
            OK, and?

            Take a huge chunk of talent off that squad and you have a 7-9 team at best behind Wade.

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            • Owen DeBoard
              Registered User
              • Sep 2007
              • 911

              #7
              Re: Proof that coaching and front office trumps talent

              Originally posted by madness
              Proof that consistant QB play trumps all the above???
              Oh yeah how about Pittsburgh Steelers. If Dallas used their running game like they should they would be winning. How hard is it to understand that you cant just ride a qb to a championship. Look at what Indy did a couple of years back. IMO they have the best qb in the league and that year there rushing helped them. Same as win the Steelers won their superbowl. How about the Pats last year they had the best qb in the league right? Did that win them a championship? It helps to have a good qb but it aint everything.
              To be the man you got to beat the man!

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              • Owen DeBoard
                Registered User
                • Sep 2007
                • 911

                #8
                Re: Proof that coaching and front office trumps talent

                Originally posted by BILLSROCK1212
                don't forget the 'Skins as well
                Good point.
                To be the man you got to beat the man!

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                • X-Era
                  What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 27670

                  #9
                  Re: Proof that coaching and front office trumps talent

                  Originally posted by Owen DeBoard
                  Good point.
                  OK, and?

                  Your solution is what?

                  continue to sign newbie HC's or guys with losing records and then sign second tier FA's?

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                  • Owen DeBoard
                    Registered User
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 911

                    #10
                    Re: Proof that coaching and front office trumps talent

                    Originally posted by madness
                    Proof that consistant QB play trumps all the above???
                    Oh yeah and cant forget how about Drew Brees. Look at the year he had and not even close to getting in the playoffs.
                    To be the man you got to beat the man!

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                    • Owen DeBoard
                      Registered User
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 911

                      #11
                      Re: Proof that coaching and front office trumps talent

                      Originally posted by EdwardsEra
                      OK, and?

                      Your solution is what?

                      continue to sign newbie HC's or guys with losing records and then sign second tier FA's?
                      Would you rather hire a proven loser head coach that the Detroit Lions wouldnt keep as their coach?
                      To be the man you got to beat the man!

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                      • madness
                        Registered User
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 13690

                        #12
                        Re: Proof that coaching and front office trumps talent

                        Originally posted by Owen DeBoard
                        Oh yeah how about Pittsburgh Steelers. If Dallas used their running game like they should they would be winning. How hard is it to understand that you cant just ride a qb to a championship. Look at what Indy did a couple of years back. IMO they have the best qb in the league and that year there rushing helped them. Same as win the Steelers won their superbowl. How about the Pats last year they had the best qb in the league right? Did that win them a championship? It helps to have a good qb but it aint everything.


                        I didn't say a great QB wins SB's. Even the Steelers had consistant QB play during their SB run.

                        The fact of the matter is you can't win without it. Even with a dominate run game the Titans still went with Collins over Young. Why?????

                        With Collins they knew they would get....

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                        • X-Era
                          What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 27670

                          #13
                          Re: Proof that coaching and front office trumps talent

                          Originally posted by Owen DeBoard
                          Would you rather hire a proven loser head coach that the Detroit Lions wouldnt keep as their coach?
                          Still dodging

                          Your solution is what?

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                          • Owen DeBoard
                            Registered User
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 911

                            #14
                            Re: Proof that coaching and front office trumps talent

                            Originally posted by EdwardsEra
                            Still dodging

                            Your solution is what?
                            I havent been dodging nothin my stance is that we fire Jauron and bring in any coach that doesnt have a proven losing record. I would take Bobby April. He already knows the systems if we dont need to change them and he knows most of the players and brings alot more emtion to this team. Anyone but Jauron and a proven loser head coach.
                            To be the man you got to beat the man!

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                            • X-Era
                              What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 27670

                              #15
                              Re: Proof that coaching and front office trumps talent

                              Originally posted by Owen DeBoard
                              I havent been dodging nothin my stance is that we fire Jauron and bring in any coach that doesnt have a proven losing record. I would take Bobby April. He already knows the systems if we dont need to change them and he knows most of the players and brings alot more emtion to this team. Anyone but Jauron and a proven loser head coach.
                              Same talent level, and any new coach without a losing record?

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