I have info regarding Jauron's situation

[Coach Sal]

All I ask is that if you want to comment on anything specific here, please only copy and paste a sentence or two. Not all or even most of the column.

Thanks, and have at it:

http://www.salsports.com/BillsCoachingSituation.htm

[Coach Sal]

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[tat2dmike77]

Nice article

But the sad fact is no matter what happens this team is still 3 or 4 years from becoming a contender for anything besides the basement.

[Romes]

This internal strife is what happens when you have a multi-headed monster making the decisions.

[tat2dmike77]

This internal strife is what happens when you have a mulit-headed monster making the decisions.

And when you have a owner who wants to think it is 1978 instead of 2008

[Coach Sal]

Nice article

But the sad fact is no matter what happens this team is still 3 or 4 years from becoming a contender for anything besides the basement.

Why? Didn't we all learn something from Miami, Baltimore, and Atlanta?

[tat2dmike77]

Why? Didn't we all learn something from Miami, Baltimore, and Atlanta?

Yeah thier owners are willing to go out and spend money on guys who are competent.

[yordad]

Thank You Sal. You have been spot-on in the past.

[LtFinFan66]

Thank You Sal. You have been spot-on in the past.except when picking against the Fins. Keep up that trend Sal.... Thanks

[Mr. Cynical]

Keeping my fingers crossed....as long as Dick is here, the Bills will continue to suck. End of story.

[ZacGriffi~82]

Jauron's loyalty to Shoop in Chicago is what ultimately did him in there too.

[BillsWin]

thank you sal

[topher180]

No offense, but what exactly is news worthy here? This isn't anything we don't already know my friend. The head coach might be fired, the OC could be fired, keeping Jauron would likely be a tough sell to the fanbase, etc. Seriously?

[SABURZFAN]

i think Wilson's "inner circle" are a bunch of yes men who have no balls. i can pick a few posters in here who have a better idea on how to build a successful football team than the jackoffs who work for the Old Fart.

[Michael82]

I can't believe there are idiots in the inner circle that actually want to keep Dick. I'm hoping that Sal is right and Ralph realizes all the money he will lose and the fans that he would piss off and tells the inner circle to shut up and them fires Dick. :pray:

[clumping platelets]

:dizzy:

[jamze132]

Something tells me, Ralph is going to retain Dick and make him fire a coach or two but he promises us to bring in some top tier free agents. That will be his sell to the box holders and the fans. When nobody buys his plan, he will threaten the longevity of the Bills in Buffalo because we can't afford it.

Either way, we are missing the playoffs next year. I think the only way to remedy it is to start over with a proven coach with a WINNING record and let him run the football operations. That will sell all the boxes and seats he could imagine.

[shelby]

Thank you Coach, i linked your article and website on our FP.

[Cleve]

I wonder if Parcells had to vet any or all of his many personnel changes in Miami this year before some tired, doddering "inner circle"?

Or was he just given the authority and autonomy to get the job done?

[Cleve]

Note this statement in particular from Sal's article;

He knows he may lose a lot of season ticket-holders, but more importantly to him, also knows he'll lose more than a couple high-priced luxury suite buyers, as well, if Jauron is retained. So, Wilson may have to make this call on his own, weighing the financial costs versus going against the will of those he trusts who support Jauron.

This confirms what I've said in other posts - winning is not a very big priority to this organization - changes occur if and when the bottom line is affected.

This team will stay mired in mediocrity as long as the bean counters are in charge. They need someone with a passion for football and winning running the show. Unfortunately the entire organization reflects the attitudes of Ralph Wilson who seems focused on optimizing his supply/demand charts rather than winning!!!

[SquishDaFish]

No offense, but what exactly is news worthy here? This isn't anything we don't already know my friend. The head coach might be fired, the OC could be fired, keeping Jauron would likely be a tough sell to the fanbase, etc. Seriously?


Coach Sals articles are very good thank you. This story has more to do with the inner circles of the front office and what their going through. If your going to contribute please dont bash a long time great writer. Thank you very much

[PECKERWOOD]

Coach Sals articles are very good thank you. This story has more to do with the inner circles of the front office and what their going through. If your going to contribute please dont bash a long time great writer. Thank you very much

I didn't consider Topher's post a bash.. Sal is up to criticism just as we all are. With that said, I agree with Topher on this one. Keeping Jauron around is a tough sell to fans unless some very big free agents are brought in. Peppers, Suggs or Scott, along those lines.

[jamze132]

I didn't consider Topher's post a bash.. Sal is up to criticism just as we all are. With that said, I agree with Topher on this one. Keeping Jauron around is a tough sell to fans unless some very big free agents are brought in. Peppers, Suggs or Scott, along those lines.
Which is what I think the FO is going to have to do if they retain Dickface.

[Dr. Lecter]

Yeah thier owners are willing to go out and spend money on guys who are competent.

But they really didn't. They brought in low level coaches that panned out.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Well, not exactly a lot of name to go around here. Let's see: Brandon, Modrak, and Jauron. If these 3 all agree on something, then there is no argument over that something.

I could not see Brandon threaten anybody for leaving his job because he was just promoted and really not in demand in the industry. So that leaves us to ...

Modrak

The one who's in disagreement with Jauron. And he's not afraid to voice his opinion with threats. Remember the McNabb draft in Phily?

Honestly I can't really fault Modrak for seeing Schonert's weakness. Even fans like us can see that, too. After the "new kid on the block" effect wears off (about a quarter of the season), people caught on. Schonert has no answers. The biggest problem I have is that the opposing defenses seemed to know what's coming most of the time. Towards the end of the season, that trend is almost from start to finish in a game. What does that tell you? Schonert's plays, personal groupings, and movements must be so bad that it's easy for defenses to figure out.

I believe in stability. That's why I backed Jauron. But stability means the person at the head adapt to changes. If Jauron is not going to get the best staff he possibily can, then he's not the kind of stability I want. Can Schonert improve? He had 12 games towards the end, and it just got worse game by game.

[don137]

Thanks Sal...This organization is such a cluster....It goes back to the old phrase "you get what you pay for". Ralph continually goes on the cheap when hiring the front office personnell and coaches and as a result you don't have any great football minds running this team and have a team that has not made the playoffs in 9 years.
Very disheartening as a Bills fan hear the same old crap coming from above. Sounds like nothing has changed and they will drag this on just like they always do and watch the best football minds available go somewhere else if they eventually do make a move...

[DraftBoy]

But they really didn't. They brought in low level coaches that panned out.


Not exactly low level coaches per say...

Mike Smith was one of the best DC's in the league the past few years who'd been on a few interviews and who a lot of people (Del Rio included) expected to have been hired already.

Sparano and Harbaugh I could see the argument made for but I dont see how Mike Smith was a low level coach.

[DraftBoy]

Romes hit the nail on the head. This kind of thing was called when we were introduced to the idea of a three headed monster at GM and some fans were saying it was going to be fine that the exchange of more ideas would be better than a centralized shot caller. Well this is what you get now, a chaotic Bills Front Office during one of the most pivotal offseasons in quite a while for us.

[homeslice5484]

Sal, can you make a prediction?

[mybills]

Thanks, Sal. Everyone can guess which one it'll be...
Wilson may have to make this call on his own, weighing the financial costs versus going against the will of those he trusts who support Jauron.

[Kenny]

Nice article

But the sad fact is no matter what happens this team is still 3 or 4 years from becoming a contender for anything besides the basement.

I think the Fins proved that regardless of talent, as long as you have the right coaches anything is posible.

[DraftBoy]

I think the Fins proved that regardless of talent, as long as you have the right coaches anything is posible.


The Fins don't lack talent lets be clear about that. They had some young guys really play well this year and mature. Coaching definitely had a lot to do with their success but Miami has some guys who can play. Ginn came into his own, Bess was the best UDFA pickup this year, Dan Carpenter and Brandon Fields may be two of their more underrated pickups this year, just to name a few

[Dr. Lecter]

Not exactly low level coaches per say...

Mike Smith was one of the best DC's in the league the past few years who'd been on a few interviews and who a lot of people (Del Rio included) expected to have been hired already.

Sparano and Harbaugh I could see the argument made for but I dont see how Mike Smith was a low level coach.

OK, Mr Anal, none were big price tag guys.

You know what my point was.

[Philagape]

I've said earlier that Jauron's personal popularity with the players is actually a bad thing, and this illustrates another side of that. Jauron is popular because he forms good relationships, and here we see another way that can cause problems ... his loyalty to Schonert is a major issue in this internal strife, according to the report.
Football should be like politics ... if you want a friend, get a dog. When you become friends with your players and your staff, it makes what should be easy decisions hard when you don't win. Winning must be the higher priority than friendly relations.

[gil]

What a freaking mess this organization is - if Sal's article is correct and it probably is...

Trusted advisors who aren't part of the front office? What the heck is that? Who are they - psychics? Is Ralphie keeping astrologers on the payroll now?

Now that I think about it, that would actually explain a lot.

Thanks for the writeup Sal, kind of makes sense of why they haven't been able to make the decision yet.

[DraftBoy]

OK, Mr Anal, none were big price tag guys.

You know what my point was.


Actually I wasn't aware you were talking about cheap coaches, I thought you were going on the experience/reputation angle. My mistake on your point.

[DraftBoy]

What a freaking mess this organization is - if Sal's article is correct and it probably is...

Trusted advisors who aren't part of the front office? What the heck is that? Who are they - psychics? Is Ralphie keeping astrologers on the payroll now?

Now that I think about it, that would actually explain a lot.

Thanks for the writeup Sal, kind of makes sense of why they haven't been able to make the decision yet.


That actually doesn't surprise me actually. I can only speak about people like Arthur Blank who has relationships with Billy Devaney, Ron Wolf, and some others who he brought in as HC Search Committee Members to hire Mike Smith. Those guys were not affiliated in any way with the Atlanta Falcons. I think having advisors outside of the Bills is a good thing actually.

[billsfanone]

Ralph's inner circle must be a bunch of ***** morons.

[Jan Reimers]

I understand the politics, intrigue, and machinations within Ralph's - and most owners' - inner circles, regarding FO and coaching changes.

But there is a simple bottom line here. Jauron has gone 7-9 in three straight seasons. There has been no visible improvement. His chosen offensive coordinators have failed miserably. Jauron himself has proven to be one of the worst game managers in the NFL.

Regardless of all the inner circle stuff, Dick Jauron does not deserve any more time as head coach of this team.

[mysticsoto]

I understand the politics, intrigue, and machinations within Ralph's - and most owners' - inner circles, regarding FO and coaching changes.

But there is a simple bottom line here. Jauron has gone 7-9 in three straight seasons. There has been no visible improvement. His chosen offensive coordinators have failed miserably. Jauron himself has proven to be one of the worst game managers in the NFL.

Regardless of all the inner circle stuff, Dick Jauron does not deserve any more time as head coach of this team.

What tops it off for me is that this was one of our easiest schedules we've had in a long time. Next year will be a much harder schedule facing Indy, Tennessee...even the high offense Saints...Even if Favre retires and with a new coach...the Jets may be in disarray...NE will have Brady back and the Fins w/Pennington have stabilized much quicker than we would have liked. It's going to be yet another tough season next year!!!

[THATHURMANATOR]

What a JOKE this organization is. He leans on guys not even affiliated with the organization.... :puke:

[Historian]

Ralph's inner circle is Jeff Littman, his accountant, and his dip**** daughters.

Nothing more, or nothing less.

[Coach Sal]

No offense, but what exactly is news worthy here? This isn't anything we don't already know my friend. The head coach might be fired, the OC could be fired, keeping Jauron would likely be a tough sell to the fanbase, etc. Seriously?

Why would I not write "might?" No one, even Ralph Wilson, knows what's going to happen.

The point of my column wasn't what's going to happen to DJ - because that's pure speculation on anyone's part.

The point was how they are geting to that determination.

No problem if you don't think there was anything "newsworthy," but I disagree. I have yet to read anyone talk/write about the lines being drawn in the orgaization, the serious backers of Jauron, or the fact that someone was so pissed they thought about leaving.

[mybills]

You tell him, coach! :bf1:

[homeslice5484]

Sal, who do you think was going to leave? And do you have a prediction based on what you have heard as to what might happen? I dont have a good feeling about this.

[Coach Sal]

Sal, who do you think was going to leave? And do you have a prediction based on what you have heard as to what might happen? I dont have a good feeling about this.

Sorry. Got your PM, too. It's been hectic and lots going on trying to get info, as you can imagine.

I try not to make predictions on stuff like this, because too many people take those predictions and use them as something I said was going to happen via info received. Then if my prediction doesn't happen, I get accused of not knowing what the hell I'm talking about and/or lying.

So, I just give the info I know and let you draw your own conclusions.

That being said, I've gone over this many times in my head and still think there are a ton of possible scenarios.

If I read my own words here, I'd probably have to think that at least someone will be gone. I'd find it hard to believe everyone will retain their same capacities after reading all of this. At least, I'd be surprised if they did.

[Coach Sal]

Sal, who do you think was going to leave?

I do know names of people involved in some of the stuff I've written.

But revealing them would be a major threat to keeping my sources.

I'm sure you understand.

[HHURRICANE]

Jauron is 100% staying if a contract was signed.

I promise you that.

Ralph is a finacial guy, and unlike a player, eating a contract is like bad debt, it goes right to the bottom line.

They are sitting in Detroit trying to figure out how to spin it.

[bigbub2352]

What scares me most, is how does anyone with football Knowledge think Skeletor has or will be a good coach, he has proven year in and year out that he is consistently out coached
He has also proven he has no gameday coaching ability as well
Did anyone ever think the players like him so much cause he is a pussy and runs a pussy camp and never holds players accountable for there actions?

I think all the players we have had on IR the last 3 yrs is in direct relation to DJ coddiling these overpaid bums on our roster, also horrible roster management is the reason for our terrible depth
sorry just cant take this **** anymore, i played football my entire life, so did my friends all ex college players and we all sit there every week with the same question What the **** are these guys thinking??????????????

[Typ0]

What a freaking mess this organization is - if Sal's article is correct and it probably is...

Trusted advisors who aren't part of the front office? What the heck is that? Who are they - psychics? Is Ralphie keeping astrologers on the payroll now?

Now that I think about it, that would actually explain a lot.

Thanks for the writeup Sal, kind of makes sense of why they haven't been able to make the decision yet.


He's talking about Marv Levy.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Enough with Marv Levy already. He proved to be a failure as a football executive. What is with this nonsense. Complete incompetence.....

[billsfanone]

RALPH SHOULD FIRE HIS INNER CIRCLE TOO!

[THATHURMANATOR]

RALPH SHOULD FIRE HIS INNER CIRCLE TOO!
His inner circle is senile FOOLS!

[Kenny]

The Fins don't lack talent lets be clear about that. They had some young guys really play well this year and mature. Coaching definitely had a lot to do with their success but Miami has some guys who can play. Ginn came into his own, Bess was the best UDFA pickup this year, Dan Carpenter and Brandon Fields may be two of their more underrated pickups this year, just to name a few

True... but it's not like we dont have guys with potential also.

Who knows?... with the right coaching staff, Peters plays even better than last year. Rosco Parrish improves. Hardy plays well. Steve Johnson plays as good or better than Bess. Poz becomes the monster we all think he's capable of. Heck, JP might even learn to get his head out of ass and add some brains to that arm of his.

All Im saying is that the Fins had alot of things go right for them... and it all started wtih the coaching staff.
Practically all the 'what if?' situations turned out positively for them.

[billsfanone]

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

That's the argument we're having here.

A good coach can work with less than ideal talent.
A overly talented team can make a bad coach look good.

We don't have an overly talented team. We also have a career loser as a head coach. Sounds like a recipe for losing.

[justasportsfan]

This confirms what I've said in other posts - winning is not a very big priority to this organization - .

I realized that about Ralph way back when he said he'd rather beat Buttler and the chargers than win the sb.

[Ebenezer]

This says it all for me:

I'm told the situation in the Bills front office is chaotic right now. These next two days won't make them any more settling.

[justasportsfan]

what else is new? Dick knows squat about the offense and choosing OC's.

Problem is, if Turk is fired who's gonna pick the next OC? Dick again? He can't hire a high profile OC because that guy is gonna cost more than Dick himself and might as well be the HC.

[mchurchfie]

No doubt that Marv is one of Ralph's guys that he is leaning on and I'm sure Marv is defending his pick Jauron.

[Lone Stranger]

A fine article; it gives us a little more insight into what happens in the front office. It has a very realistic tone to it.

[homeslice5484]

marv also wanted fairchild and kollar

[homeslice5484]

Sal, just wondering how often you talk to your sources? This anticipation is killing me!!

[madness]

Thanks Sal. If anything, this confirms what many of us already know. The organization is run by lobotomized monkeys.


However, that being said, Jauron reportedly has taken a lot of bullets for offensive coordinator Turk Schonert this year. He has taken the blame publicly and privately for mistakes many (including Jauron) feel Schonert has made, and has been very loyal to him. While many know that's a very admirable quality in a head coach, it was Jauron who hired Schonert, so his fate may either be tied to, or hinge on, Turk Schonert's fate.

I had thought about the whole Dick blocking scenario a few times this year. Given his history @ Chicago, I wouldn't doubt Dick would deflect blame off of his rookie play caller. I thought it was funny that CB made Trent's text message public right after Dick came out and said he was responsible for calling that PA pass at the end of the Jets game. What if Dick really didn't call it and was protecting Turk's boneheaded decision to the public? Turk has already been taking heat for some questionable calls during the year and he has been responsible for burning up timeouts due to not calling plays quick enough which Trent confirmed a couple times in post-game interviews. Add in the fact that Jauron hardly ever micro-manages since he trusts his coaches to do their job and the finger seems to point toward Turk even more.

I agree with the scenario that Dick's job is tied to Turk's fate. It's been rumored Dick turned down Detroit's HC offer simply because he didn't want to be upper-management's hit man at the end of the season. If Dick won't fire Turk, he may be following him out the door.

[yordad]

The Fins don't lack talent lets be clear about that. They had some young guys really play well this year and mature. Coaching definitely had a lot to do with their success but Miami has some guys who can play. Ginn came into his own, Bess was the best UDFA pickup this year, Dan Carpenter and Brandon Fields may be two of their more underrated pickups this year, just to name a fewBS. You just cited an undrafted rookie as amongst their most talented.

[yordad]

What a JOKE this organization is. He leans on guys not even affiliated with the organization.... :puke:His wife dude. Maybe she likes Dick.

[DraftBoy]

BS. You just cited an undrafted rookie as amongst their most talented.


And he is, just because somebody is a UDFA doesnt mean they dont have any talent. Jason Peters anyone?

[Mr. Pink]

And he is, just because somebody is a UDFA doesnt mean they dont have any talent. Jason Peters anyone?

Joshua Cribbs?

[yordad]

And he is, just because somebody is a UDFA doesnt mean they dont have any talent. Jason Peters anyone?Good point, but that is 5 years later and 1 in 10,000.

Joshua Cribbs? 5,000

That isn't enough to call a team talented.

[Mr. Pink]

Fred Jackson?

[yordad]

Fred Jackson?Oh, so now we are one of the most talented teams due to our backup RB? It's getting deep.

[homeslice5484]

hey, does anyone know if Jauron is in these meetings like he was supposed to be?

[justasportsfan]

marv also wanted fairchild and kollar
kollar yes, fairchild... i haven't read that.

[Mr. Pink]

Oh, so now we are one of the most talented teams due to our backup RB? It's getting deep.

Hey I'm coming around on our "backup" RB is more talented than our starter.

I gotta give TD some credit for being the first with the guts to point it out.

There have been a bunch of undrafted players who have gone on to success in this league and prior to the NFL changing their draft to only 7 rounds, there was many great players taken in rounds 8 through 15.

For example...Earnest Byner was a 10th round draftpick.

[homeslice5484]

i remember marv saying that jauron said who he wanted as OC and Marv said he was gonna recommend him before Jauron said anything.

[yordad]

Sal, is Modrak the guy that was going to "walk out"? I mean, the teams talent was called out publically. Now Cowher, who has strong ties to Modrak, wants to bring in his own personnel guy to any job. Could it be Tom Modrak?

[topher180]

Coach Sals articles are very good thank you. This story has more to do with the inner circles of the front office and what their going through. If your going to contribute please dont bash a long time great writer. Thank you very much

Uh oh, the forum police. *siren noises* I wasn't "bashing" anyone. That would indicate personal attacks. Are you this gentleman's internet bodyguard? :rolleyes: Any good columnist is open to criticism.

To respond to Sal, the article was fine, I was just preoccupied on the title of the post: "I have info regarding Jauron's situation". Conjure is not information, that's all. As a board member and a fan I clicked it going "hey alright, big news!" and afterward realized it was just opinion based.

As my sig says, I can't care about people I don't care about.

[Mr. Pink]

Sal, is Modrak the guy that was going to "walk out"? I mean, the teams talent was called out publically. Now Cowher, who has strong ties to Modrak, wants to bring in his own personnel guy to any job. Could it be Tom Modrak?

If it was him, too bad he didn't walk out.

He coulda took Guy and Brandon with him.

[yordad]

Hey I'm coming around on our "backup" RB is more talented than our starter.

I gotta give TD some credit for being the first with the guts to point it out.

There have been a bunch of undrafted players who have gone on to success in this league and prior to the NFL changing their draft to only 7 rounds, there was many great players taken in rounds 8 through 15.

For example...Earnest Byner was a 10th round draftpick.Dude, I'm not saying Bess ain't talented. I am saying you don't site a team as talented based on the limited work of an undrafted rookie wide receiver who put up Josh Reed (as a rookie) type stats. The guy only got playing time based on the fact they were talentless at WR to begin with.

This isn't the thread for this, it was a passing comment. Take it to the NFL zone, we can chat there if ya want.

[yordad]

If it was him, too bad he didn't walk out.

He coulda took Guy and Brandon with him.He is probably our best FO guy, but he could have forced the action alittle.

[DraftBoy]

Dude, I'm not saying Bess ain't talented. I am saying you don't site a team as talented based on the limited work of an undrafted rookie wide receiver who put up Josh Reed (as a rookie) type stats. The guy only got playing time based on the fact they were talentless at WR to begin with.

This isn't the thread for this, it was a passing comment. Take it to the NFL zone, we can chat there if ya want.


I think our definition of talent is different then because any time you grab a kid who wasnt drafted and he puts up stats like that of a 2nd Round pick thats talented.

[yordad]

I think our definition of talent is different then because any time you grab a kid who wasnt drafted and he puts up stats like that of a 2nd Round pick thats talented.Relatively. But does he make the Dolphins relatively talented?

Anyways, we disagree. For the sake of a good thread, I think we can move a long.

[DraftBoy]

Relatively. But does he make the Dolphins relatively talented?

Anyways, we disagree. For the sake of a good thread, I think we can move a long.

Im completely confused by what you are getting at, other than to try and bash the Dolphins but yes we can move on.

[jamze132]

The Fins don't lack talent lets be clear about that. They had some young guys really play well this year and mature. Coaching definitely had a lot to do with their success but Miami has some guys who can play. Ginn came into his own, Bess was the best UDFA pickup this year, Dan Carpenter and Brandon Fields may be two of their more underrated pickups this year, just to name a few
You can attribute most of their success to Parcells who just happens to have an eye for talent.

[blackonyx89]

All I ask is that if you want to comment on anything specific here, please only copy and paste a sentence or two. Not all or even most of the column.

Thanks, and have at it:

http://www.salsports.com/BillsCoachingSituation.htm

Bickering Bills, front office style! I love it!!!

:poop:

[TigerJ]

Good article, Sal. Some of it is pretty self evident. Not much of it is at all reassuring. I fear tad2dmike77 and Romes may be right. It may have been inevitable with the peculiar organizational structure Wilson put into place, and it is going to take a while to sort it all out and rebuild a winner here.