Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

**Mr. Pink** · 12-30-2008, 12:19 PM

Re: Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

Dick Jauron's QB carousel...

Cade McNown
Jim Miller
Chris Chandler
Kordell Stewart
Joey Harrington
JP Losman
Trent Edwards

Noticing a pattern here?

Inconsistent QB play dooms any team.

**mysticsoto** · 12-30-2008, 12:22 PM

Re: Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

Originally posted by Nighthawk

Below is how offenses have ranked while Dickey was the coach. It is obvious that he is the problem and not the coordinators he brings in.

2008 Buffalo Bills
21 (points per game - ranked 23rd in NFL) 305.1 (yards per game - ranked 25th in NFL)

I can't believe we ranked that high on offense. If 21 is average...what is the median? This is one of those cases where the average doesn't tell the whole story. Perhaps we should have the high and low thrown out and that might give us a closer real average...throw one zero out and which was our high? Our score with KC?

**OpIv37** · 12-30-2008, 12:23 PM

Re: Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

Originally posted by FunTimesYaY!

Dick Jauron's QB carousel...

Cade McNown
Jim Miller
Chris Chandler
Kordell Stewart
Joey Harrington
JP Losman
Trent Edwards

Noticing a pattern here?

Inconsistent QB play dooms any team.

Jauron has made enough mistakes on his own, regardless of QB play. When a ****ty play is called, it doesn't matter if the QB gets it right or not. QB's don't let the team practice indoors or waste timeouts (well, sometimes they do, but so does the coach) or misuse challenges or get consistently outsmarted by the opposition or have the team unprepared for the game or make crappy halftime adjustments.

No one is denying that QB is a problem. But so is coaching.

Also, one could take another view of this: part of the coach's job is to develop the QB. Were all 7 of those guys that untalented, or did Jauron and his staff simply not know how to get the most out of them? There's no real way to answer that question, but I have a hard time believing that Jauron got 7 QB's good enough to make it to the NFL and couldn't get performance out of ANY of them.

**billsfanone** · 12-30-2008, 12:27 PM

Re: Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

Originally posted by OpIv37

Jauron has made enough mistakes on his own, regardless of QB play. When a ****ty play is called, it doesn't matter if the QB gets it right or not. QB's don't let the team practice indoors or waste timeouts (well, sometimes they do, but so does the coach) or misuse challenges or get consistently outsmarted by the opposition or have the team unprepared for the game or make crappy halftime adjustments.

No one is denying that QB is a problem. But so is coaching.

Also, one could take another view of this: part of the coach's job is to develop the QB. Were all 7 of those guys that untalented, or did Jauron and his staff simply not know how to get the most out of them? There's no real way to answer that question, but I have a hard time believing that Jauron got 7 QB's good enough to make it to the NFL and couldn't get performance out of ANY of them.

Great point. I just posed a new thread on the same thing.

Was Jauran a total lame duck his entire career in personnel moves? Probably not.

**Mr. Pink** · 12-30-2008, 12:32 PM

Re: Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

Originally posted by OpIv37

Jauron has made enough mistakes on his own, regardless of QB play. When a ****ty play is called, it doesn't matter if the QB gets it right or not. QB's don't let the team practice indoors or waste timeouts (well, sometimes they do, but so does the coach) or misuse challenges or get consistently outsmarted by the opposition or have the team unprepared for the game or make crappy halftime adjustments.

No one is denying that QB is a problem. But so is coaching.

Also, one could take another view of this: part of the coach's job is to develop the QB. Were all 7 of those guys that untalented, or did Jauron and his staff simply not know how to get the most out of them? There's no real way to answer that question, but I have a hard time believing that Jauron got 7 QB's good enough to make it to the NFL and couldn't get performance out of ANY of them.

Well I can tell you 4 of the 7 were garbage - Losman, McNown, Miller, Harrington ... One was a flash in the pan and better in his "slash" role ... Chandler was a has been by the time he got to Chicago and the jury is still out on Edwards.

Your offense doesn't look very good when the guy behind Center is incompetent. If anything, we as Bills fans, should already know this. How many years has our offense looked absolutely putrid save Doug Flutie and a half season of Drew Bledsoe.

So does this mean every coach we had was a bum? Hell, Kevin Gilbride got ran out of town, then goes to NY and is highly respected league wide. Fairchild did some good things down in STL, then he comes here and he's an idiot.

It's pretty simple, Dick, has been the victim of having subpar talent everywhere he's been and that subpar talent includes the most important position on the entire team.

Meanwhile our franchise for the better part of a decade has been the victim of the very same thing.

No one was complaining about Dick when we were 5-1. Our mediocrity on the field simply caught up with us and we're right around where we should be...completely average.

**Nighthawk** · 12-30-2008, 12:39 PM

Re: Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

Originally posted by FunTimesYaY!

Dick Jauron's QB carousel...

Cade McNown
Jim Miller
Chris Chandler
Kordell Stewart
Joey Harrington
JP Losman
Trent Edwards

Noticing a pattern here?

Inconsistent QB play dooms any team.

Umm, Jauron HAS had say in who plays on his team or is he the only coach in the history of the NFL to never have a say in who his QB is? When does HE actually get held responsible for the pitiful talent on the field? I don't buy that this guy has been STUCK with crappy players for his entire career. Maybe, just maybe...this fool is actually part of the process of picking these loser players.

**justasportsfan** · 12-30-2008, 12:40 PM

Re: Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

Originally posted by FunTimesYaY!

Dick Jauron's QB carousel...

Cade McNown
Jim Miller
Chris Chandler
Kordell Stewart
Joey Harrington
JP Losman
Trent Edwards

Noticing a pattern here?

Inconsistent QB play dooms any team.

haha! you just showed us a pattern of facts that Dick is incompetent.

**DraftBoy** · 12-30-2008, 12:40 PM

Re: Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

Not one of those teams had anything close to a playmaker really on offense that I can think of except Lee Evans. So couldn't the same argument be made that if Jauron had a good GM to give him better players with he could be more successful offensively?

**justasportsfan** · 12-30-2008, 12:41 PM

Re: Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

Originally posted by Nighthawk

Umm, Jauron HAS had say in who plays on his team or is he the only coach in the history of the NFL to never have a say in who his QB is? When does HE actually get held responsible for the pitiful talent on the field? I don't buy that this guy has been STUCK with crappy players for his entire career. Maybe, just maybe...this fool is actually part of the process of picking these loser players.

In FTY's world, the GM decides who plays.

**Nighthawk** · 12-30-2008, 12:42 PM

Re: Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

Originally posted by DraftBoy

Not one of those teams had anything close to a playmaker really on offense that I can think of except Lee Evans. So couldn't the same argument be made that if Jauron had a good GM to give him better players with he could be more successful offensively?

Not really. The guy has coached in the NFL for 8 years, there is no way he doesn't have a say in who plays on his team. I'm sorry, that makes no sense at all.

**DraftBoy** · 12-30-2008, 12:43 PM

Re: Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

Originally posted by Nighthawk

Not really. The guy has coached in the NFL for 8 years, there is no way he doesn't have a say in who plays on his team. I'm sorry, that makes no sense at all.

You can't say that with confidence. You have no idea how much control if any he had on personnel decisions. You dont even know how much he has here, if any.

**Dr. Lecter** · 12-30-2008, 12:43 PM

Re: Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

This might prove that Jauron is part of the problem, but in no way exonerates the coordinators.

**DraftBoy** · 12-30-2008, 12:43 PM

Re: Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

Originally posted by Dr.Lecter

This might prove that Jauron is part of the problem, but in no way exonerates the coordinators.

or the FO.

**justasportsfan** · 12-30-2008, 12:43 PM

Re: Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

Originally posted by DraftBoy

Not one of those teams had anything close to a playmaker really on offense that I can think of except Lee Evans. So couldn't the same argument be made that if Jauron had a good GM to give him better players with he could be more successful offensively?

nope, he'd choose a stupid OC anyways. Someone has to choose a good OC for him.

WE could give him an all pro Offense like the redskins have done through the years, he still wouldn't have success.

Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

Proof that Jauron is the problem and not the Offensive Coordinators!

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