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I ghosted that thread & was way to depressed afte rthe Pats game to get involved when emotions we're flared etc..
-Also, i've come to learn in my experience, not to judge a player when teh team is pooping..
--So is Donte a bust? I say no.
-Is he under-productive for the 8th overall pick? NO-DOUBT. Did he control when he was drafted? We knew he was a surprise pick and we we're like "WTF!"
-Is Donte Whitner a showbiz safety like Ed Reed or Troy Polamolu? NO
--Is it fair/realistic to jusge Whitner on stats that are not his realm? NO,it is not!
--When healthy it's kinda obvious that Whitner is a beast. In the Steve Atwater,Roy Williams mold..
--He's no different then say Pat Williams & Tim Bowens in the sense that they are not judged by sack stats. Warren Sapp & Tommy Harris are stat netting DT/NT's..But it's my honest view that Witner is not a INT guy & not a sack specialist like Milloy or Polamolu etc...
-So my bottom line is that Whitner is what he is & that's a sure tackler when healthy & a play it safe safety. & IMO it's a position that we have L-O-C-K-E-D up for years to come from him...But lets accept that if we expect stats like INT's & sacks that we are just going to be disapointed.. Right? Sure i'd like some sack stats because sack stats from a safety are just padded stats because it's not their normal stats that is sought.. But thinking of Milloy & Rodney Harrison blitzing and getting a sack stats is/was nooo biggie because they just lined up on the weak side and ran to teh QB un-avaded. So what's the skill involved there?
---We know for a fact that Whitner could easily bring down a QB...
----Is WHitner in control of the playcall for him to blitz? duh,he's not.....
---This has only 1 similarity with the Chris Kelsay perspective. That some fans expect two things form all positions,,thus meaning these fans are extreme & most likely younger....
-1- is they expect pro bowl type stats from every position..
-2- is that positions that are not por-bowl types filled, that the position must be filled by a rookie/or young guy who is being groomed,or progressed to be elite..
----My view is PHIL HANSEN! Reliability has a major place on every team...I don't demand stats from every position...
---I do recall in the previous thread about WHitner that the thread starter(PAT!)NEG-NANCY!) That Pat didn't mention, or list Whitners tackle stats..why Pat? Could you're point about WHitner being a bust still stand even though he is a tackling machine?
---I agree that the 8th pick shouldn't be used on a safety,TE, or Guard, or Center..The positions i consider non-skilled..So if we do draft these positions that high, the drafted player better be suprememly worth it..& Number 8 is too high for a Roy Williams type of safety..The LB safety should be secondary to the Ed Reed,Polamolu type...
-But since we do have Whitner,i wanna jusge him based on what he does based on his skill set,,or based on the type of player he is..Not judge him with stats that doesn't fit his style of play..That's all i'm sayin...I want more from him with INT's etc, & i wanna win more then,or the same as everyone.
Oh,,,here's his Pat Moran missing tackle stats----(Not that they are gonna make or break the argument or judgment,but they should be shown for all to have as common memory----------
-2006- 104 tackles in 14 games started
-2007-89 in 15 starts
-2008- 61 in 13 games
---I thought he came back to soon this year & his play showed that. I guess that is what prompted Pat to get pissed at him.. Esp with Scott playing awesome & him being another teams castoff etc...
-----Pat, do you dislike the kind of safety he is,,,or dislike him underachieving as the hard-hitting/tackle kind of safety?
-Also, i've come to learn in my experience, not to judge a player when teh team is pooping..
--So is Donte a bust? I say no.
-Is he under-productive for the 8th overall pick? NO-DOUBT. Did he control when he was drafted? We knew he was a surprise pick and we we're like "WTF!"
-Is Donte Whitner a showbiz safety like Ed Reed or Troy Polamolu? NO
--Is it fair/realistic to jusge Whitner on stats that are not his realm? NO,it is not!
--When healthy it's kinda obvious that Whitner is a beast. In the Steve Atwater,Roy Williams mold..
--He's no different then say Pat Williams & Tim Bowens in the sense that they are not judged by sack stats. Warren Sapp & Tommy Harris are stat netting DT/NT's..But it's my honest view that Witner is not a INT guy & not a sack specialist like Milloy or Polamolu etc...
-So my bottom line is that Whitner is what he is & that's a sure tackler when healthy & a play it safe safety. & IMO it's a position that we have L-O-C-K-E-D up for years to come from him...But lets accept that if we expect stats like INT's & sacks that we are just going to be disapointed.. Right? Sure i'd like some sack stats because sack stats from a safety are just padded stats because it's not their normal stats that is sought.. But thinking of Milloy & Rodney Harrison blitzing and getting a sack stats is/was nooo biggie because they just lined up on the weak side and ran to teh QB un-avaded. So what's the skill involved there?
---We know for a fact that Whitner could easily bring down a QB...
----Is WHitner in control of the playcall for him to blitz? duh,he's not.....
---This has only 1 similarity with the Chris Kelsay perspective. That some fans expect two things form all positions,,thus meaning these fans are extreme & most likely younger....
-1- is they expect pro bowl type stats from every position..
-2- is that positions that are not por-bowl types filled, that the position must be filled by a rookie/or young guy who is being groomed,or progressed to be elite..
----My view is PHIL HANSEN! Reliability has a major place on every team...I don't demand stats from every position...
---I do recall in the previous thread about WHitner that the thread starter(PAT!)NEG-NANCY!) That Pat didn't mention, or list Whitners tackle stats..why Pat? Could you're point about WHitner being a bust still stand even though he is a tackling machine?
---I agree that the 8th pick shouldn't be used on a safety,TE, or Guard, or Center..The positions i consider non-skilled..So if we do draft these positions that high, the drafted player better be suprememly worth it..& Number 8 is too high for a Roy Williams type of safety..The LB safety should be secondary to the Ed Reed,Polamolu type...
-But since we do have Whitner,i wanna jusge him based on what he does based on his skill set,,or based on the type of player he is..Not judge him with stats that doesn't fit his style of play..That's all i'm sayin...I want more from him with INT's etc, & i wanna win more then,or the same as everyone.
Oh,,,here's his Pat Moran missing tackle stats----(Not that they are gonna make or break the argument or judgment,but they should be shown for all to have as common memory----------
-2006- 104 tackles in 14 games started
-2007-89 in 15 starts
-2008- 61 in 13 games
---I thought he came back to soon this year & his play showed that. I guess that is what prompted Pat to get pissed at him.. Esp with Scott playing awesome & him being another teams castoff etc...
-----Pat, do you dislike the kind of safety he is,,,or dislike him underachieving as the hard-hitting/tackle kind of safety?
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