An under the radar C in FA

[X-Era]

Heres a guy who is an up and comer at C, is 25, and has already become a seasoned vet.

#60, for the Ravens, Jason Brown. Hes 6' 3" 320, out of UNC

Heres a Ravens highlight, watch him play. Hes athletic, has the size, is young, and is good at both pass and run blocking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hkkyAuxsHY

Heres a Ravens fan article on him:

http://ravens24x7.blogspot.com/2008/02/jason-brown-deserves-some-love-me.html

NFL.com:

http://www.nfl.com/players/jasonbrown/profile?id=BRO502739

This is the type of signing that makes sense to me for this team. It wont cost a fortune and is a solid move for the future too. The kid can play well.

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Heres a Q and A:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.ravens22oct22002029,0,3942629.story

He may be off the market before he ever went on it:

http://www.rototimes.com/nfl/player/5832

[Luisito23]

He most certainly can play!...I rather sign him then go after an old Birk or Saturday.

[BILLSROCK1212]

so could Derrick Dockery....

[X-Era]

He most certainly can play!...I rather sign him then go after an old Birk or Saturday.

Thats what Im sayin... :up:

Hes probably cheaper, he has the athletic ability you want, he run and pass blocks.

The only hit I could find is that Flacco was bottom 10 for getting sacked. Hes a rookie, who knows whos fault of that was.

[BILLSROCK1212]

Thats what Im sayin... :up:

Hes probably cheaper, he has the athletic ability you want, he run and pass blocks.

The only hit I could find is that Flacco was bottom 10 for getting sacked. Hes a rookie, who knows whos fault of that was.
we made similar excuses for Dockery....

[Mr. Pink]

Alright so because Dock hasn't been a good investment so far we should stick with Fowler/Preston at C?

Any player can fail in new surroundings. Even Saturday or Birk could fail here.

By your logic we should never sign anyone.

At least Brown while not as physically gifted or known around the league like Birk and Saturday won't cost a ton of money and lets face it, he's an upgrade over the two garbage C's we already have.

[BILLSROCK1212]

Alright so because Dock hasn't been a good investment so far we should stick with Fowler/Preston at C?

Any player can fail in new surroundings. Even Saturday or Birk could fail here.

By your logic we should never sign anyone.

At least Brown while not as physically gifted or known around the league like Birk and Saturday won't cost a ton of money and lets face it, he's an upgrade over the two garbage C's we already have.
ahahaha bro chill out....i'm just basically pointing out that if the dude's actually good he wouldnt be falling under the radar w/ NFL scouts and that even if he wasn't under the radar there was still no guarantee the dude would be a good fit with us....i'd like to think this guy is a better investment than Dock and i got a feeling w/ the way McClain is running up the middle this season that maybe he would be

[BuffaloBillsStampede]

I think he was drafted just before or just after Duke Preston in that draft. I wanted us to take him and we ended up taking Preston so that would be awesome if we got him now.

[theanswer74]

Heres a guy who is an up and comer at C, is 25, and has already become a seasoned vet.

#60, for the Ravens, Jason Brown. Hes 6' 3" 320, out of UNC

Heres a Ravens highlight, watch him play. Hes athletic, has the size, is young, and is good at both pass and run blocking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hkkyAuxsHY

Heres a Ravens fan article on him:

http://ravens24x7.blogspot.com/2008/02/jason-brown-deserves-some-love-me.html

NFL.com:

http://www.nfl.com/players/jasonbrown/profile?id=BRO502739

This is the type of signing that makes sense to me for this team. It wont cost a fortune and is a solid move for the future too. The kid can play well.

We passed on Brown in the draft for Duke Preston, brown went 2 picks after Preston.

I couldn't believe when we did that.

[X-Era]

Alright so because Dock hasn't been a good investment so far we should stick with Fowler/Preston at C?

Any player can fail in new surroundings. Even Saturday or Birk could fail here.

By your logic we should never sign anyone.

At least Brown while not as physically gifted or known around the league like Birk and Saturday won't cost a ton of money and lets face it, he's an upgrade over the two garbage C's we already have.

Look guys, you wont find me saying that we should skip studly talent on this team.

But I look at the list of FA C's and Im not impressed that much.

My arguement isnt that I would ming Saturday or Birk, its that I see Brown as being cheap and having upside. I like the version where we sign Jeff or Matt and then draft a C. But that means we invest alot in the position. Why not think about a guy on the right side of 30, with alot of experience, and someone thats a proven player.

A rookie, could be horrible for a year or more. They need to learn. Giving the reigns to a rookie day one is scary. I like some guys, but none seems to be the Mangold that many covet.

Its not that I want lesser names, its that, at THIS position, with what looks to be out there in FA and the draft, I like this move better.

This guy looks like an up and comer. Your right, he may never become that here. But, hes better right now than Fowler or Preston ever have been, or probably will be. Thats an upgrade.

[ParanoidAndroid]

we made similar excuses for Dockery....

So, we should never persue another free agent again because Dockerry isn't awesome? He actually isn't that bad at all. A real center will solidify things accross the middle 3 and make Dockerry all the more effective.

[Goobylal]

I'd rather go after Brown than Birk or Saturday, much less spend a high draft pick on a center. But my fear is that after coming to Buffalo, he'll start to suck much like Dockery has, as was already alluded to by BillsRock. That still doesn't mean the Bills shouldn't try to sign him.

[Turbo.GUN.Hawk!]

Just because Dockery hasn't live up to expectations after a good first year in Buffalo it doesn't mean we should not try to sign anyone else ever. Those type of comments annoy me, someone points out what could be a really good signing for Buffalo and then suddenly the negative rain of comments...

I mean, as someone here said, do you want the team to never sign anyone else just because Dockery didn't have a good season?

Oh, Jason Brown sounds like a really smart pick-up by the way!

[yordad]

I'll take him!

[Ingtar33]

he's alright, i like his tenacity... he never gives up, and he'll run down the field through the end of a play.

He's not great in space, but he'll get to the second level, which is more then i can say for our current center.

He'd be an upgrade. i like how you think. definitely worth the 2nd round pick that he'd cost us to sign

[X-Era]

I'll take him!

He may be getting an extension...

Try this link, it may work (from Sporting News, fine print under the Ravens):

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20090102/?pg=34

[X-Era]

he's alright, i like his tenacity... he never gives up, and he'll run down the field through the end of a play.

He's not great in space, but he'll get to the second level, which is more then i can say for our current center.

He'd be an upgrade. i like how you think. definitely worth the 2nd round pick that he'd cost us to sign

He wont cost a 2nd rounder... that was LAST years article check the date... hes a UFA... but he may be getting an extension.

[Ingtar33]

He wont cost a 2nd rounder... that was LAST years article check the date... hes a UFA... but he may be getting an extension.


really? cool!

definitely worth the pickup. I'd throw a truck of money at him. I like this option better then Birk.

Remember, players don't want to come to buffalo, so you'll always have to overpay to get anyone to come here.

[Turbo.GUN.Hawk!]

^ Yeah, that sucks because either you overpay or get nothing but then we are building a mercenary team dammit!


Ahh, the Buffalo Bills...

[The Jokeman]

Thats what Im sayin... :up:

Hes probably cheaper, he has the athletic ability you want, he run and pass blocks.

The only hit I could find is that Flacco was bottom 10 for getting sacked. Hes a rookie, who knows whos fault of that was.
I've been calling for Brown for quite sometime look back in some of my earlier threads. Though I can't say he's bad with sacks as according to http://sfa.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7300&team=33 he gave up 2.25 sacks this year in comparison Preston gave up 0.75 according to http://sfa.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7298&team=2 yet ironically both are listed as OGs on the site.

[patmoran2006]

Jason Brown is NOT "under the radar". He's very well known around the league.

[X-Era]

Jason Brown is NOT "under the radar". He's very well known around the league.

Hes not fodder, so I guess hes not "under the radar" in your mind.

He isnt even thought of a a top 3 C in free agency this year. Thats under the radar in my mind.

[Mahdi]

Heres a guy who is an up and comer at C, is 25, and has already become a seasoned vet.

#60, for the Ravens, Jason Brown. Hes 6' 3" 320, out of UNC

Heres a Ravens highlight, watch him play. Hes athletic, has the size, is young, and is good at both pass and run blocking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hkkyAuxsHY

Heres a Ravens fan article on him:

http://ravens24x7.blogspot.com/2008/02/jason-brown-deserves-some-love-me.html

NFL.com:

http://www.nfl.com/players/jasonbrown/profile?id=BRO502739

This is the type of signing that makes sense to me for this team. It wont cost a fortune and is a solid move for the future too. The kid can play well.

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Heres a Q and A:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.ravens22oct22002029,0,3942629.story

He may be off the market before he ever went on it:

http://www.rototimes.com/nfl/player/5832
I wanted this guy when he came out. Thought the Bills would draft him. He would be perfect for our OL.

[Mahdi]

Hes not fodder, so I guess hes not "under the radar" in your mind.

He isnt even thought of a a top 3 C in free agency this year. Thats under the radar in my mind.
I think whoever signs Brown it will be for a large contract. Brown may not be a big name but he is known as a very good player and he's young.

[PECKERWOOD]

Jason Brown is NOT "under the radar". He's very well known around the league.

His underrated by most fans though, pat. I think he would be a fantastic signing for Buffalo.

[patmoran2006]

Hes not fodder, so I guess hes not "under the radar" in your mind.

He isnt even thought of a a top 3 C in free agency this year. Thats under the radar in my mind.
Are you kidding me???????????

He'll not only be the top rated center in FA this year, he'll probably be the top rated linemen OVERALL.

I would be shocked if Baltimore didnt do everything to resign him, and by the way I follow him very closely as I have him in a simulation league.

Brown is a beast and if he's under the radar according to you, you're in a very , very small minority.

[X-Era]

Are you kidding me???????????

He'll not only be the top rated center in FA this year, he'll probably be the top rated linemen OVERALL.

I would be shocked if Baltimore didnt do everything to resign him, and by the way I follow him very closely as I have him in a simulation league.

Brown is a beast and if he's under the radar according to you, you're in a very , very small minority.

Pat, seriously, I dont know whats motivating you right now, I really dont.

Would you like me to change the title to "an under the radar C in FA (except that Pat knew it all along)"?

What is this sillyness all about?

Matt Birk and Jeff Saturday are both more highly thought of than Jason Brown at this point. Thats only at C... say nothing for guys like Tausher, or Jordan Gross

[PECKERWOOD]

Are you kidding me???????????

He'll not only be the top rated center in FA this year, he'll probably be the top rated linemen OVERALL.

I would be shocked if Baltimore didnt do everything to resign him, and by the way I follow him very closely as I have him in a simulation league.

Brown is a beast and if he's under the radar according to you, you're in a very , very small minority.

Man, Baltimore has ALOT of guys to re-sign... Brown, Suggs, Scott and Lewis.. Ozzy really has his hands full. I would bring all 4 of those guys in for a visit to Buffalo if they hit the open market.

[Bmax]

I agree with Pat !!! Brown is 25 years old...That's what you want in a free agent.. Not some long in the tooth guy like Saturday or Birk..

Free agency 101 for some of you ... Most teams want to sign players who are under the age of 28 to long term deals.. Afew will get short deals over thirty but very few... That's how you add to your team.


So when your looking for guys for this team to sign this off season.. look for guys under 28...Grove from the raiders would also be an upgrade over fowler or preston if he hasn't resigned with the raiders yet..



Bmax

[PECKERWOOD]

I agree with Pat !!! Brown is 25 years old...That's what you want in a free agent.. Not some long in the tooth guy like Saturday or Birk..

Free agency 101 for some of you ... Most teams want to sign players who are under the age of 28 to long term deals.. Afew will get short deals over thirty but very few... That's how you add to your team.


So when your looking for guys for this team to sign this off season.. look for guys under 28...Grove from the raiders would also be an upgrade over fowler or preston if he hasn't resigned with the raiders yet..



Bmax

Jake Grove is a FA as well? WTF, kffl needs to update their list, ffs. He is a good player as well.

[X-Era]

Jake Grove is a FA as well? WTF, kffl needs to update their list, ffs. He is a good player as well.

Not until 2010

[PECKERWOOD]

Not until 2010

Bummer, well that doesn't help us any then.

[X-Era]

Did anyone watch him today?

I was busy cleaning out the garage.

Im interested to hear how he did.

[Ingtar33]

Did anyone watch him today?

I was busy cleaning out the garage.

Im interested to hear how he did.


same as always. he never stops. gets to the 2nd level well, and gets a little lost in "space" especially in pass protection.

overall, except for one play where he nearly got Flaco killed, he was excellent. What really stuck out to me however, which cautions me a little... is Baltimore's two guards are VERY good. and i mean it, they are both incredibly good.

I dont' know how good he'd look with our right guard issues.

[Mahdi]

same as always. he never stops. gets to the 2nd level well, and gets a little lost in "space" especially in pass protection.

overall, except for one play where he nearly got Flaco killed, he was excellent. What really stuck out to me however, which cautions me a little... is Baltimore's two guards are VERY good. and i mean it, they are both incredibly good.

I dont' know how good he'd look with our right guard issues.
We dont have RG issues. Butler is solid and getting better. Preston/Fowler were the only weak links.

[Ingtar33]

We dont have RG issues. Butler is solid and getting better. Preston/Fowler were the only weak links.


did you watch the Bills? RG is just as big an issue as center... yet again.

[Mahdi]

did you watch the Bills? RG is just as big an issue as center... yet again.
I watch every game at least 2ice... in fact I watch each play a few times after I Tivo them and focus on the OL. Butler is not a problem. He is excellent as a pass protector and is a strong run blocker, particularly as a puller. Butler is an improving player.

[patmoran2006]

Did anyone watch him today?

I was busy cleaning out the garage.

Im interested to hear how he did.
he looked like a center that will probably have 10-12 teams contact at him 12:01 AM the day free agency starts.

[jamze132]

I agree with Pat !!! Brown is 25 years old...That's what you want in a free agent.. Not some long in the tooth guy like Saturday or Birk..

Free agency 101 for some of you ... Most teams want to sign players who are under the age of 28 to long term deals.. Afew will get short deals over thirty but very few... That's how you add to your team.


So when your looking for guys for this team to sign this off season.. look for guys under 28...Grove from the raiders would also be an upgrade over fowler or preston if he hasn't resigned with the raiders yet..



Bmax
Luckily, most O-lineman have their best years once they reach 30. It's one of the rare positions in the NFL where you can sign an older vet to a longer contract than you would normally sign someone on the "wrong side" of 30 and still get production and value.

[X-Era]

Luckily, most O-lineman have their best years once they reach 30. It's one of the rare positions in the NFL where you can sign an older vet to a longer contract than you would normally sign someone on the "wrong side" of 30 and still get production and value.

I dont disagree with this at all.

I think the issue is the Bills, not logic.

I cant see the Bills spending 3-5 mill per on a C who is 31-33 years old. Thats not their style anymore.

But i could see them spending that type of coin on a guy who (they think) will only get better and is 25.

[jamze132]

I dont disagree with this at all.

I think the issue is the Bills, not logic.

I cant see the Bills spending 3-5 mill per on a C who is 31-33 years old. Thats not their style anymore.

But i could see them spending that type of coin on a guy who (they think) will only get better and is 25.
I agree and I can go along with their way of thinking as long as the young guy in question has proven he can play in the NFL and not at a Bennie Anderson or Duke Preston level.

[User Manuel]

Heres a guy who is an up and comer at C, is 25, and has already become a seasoned vet.

#60, for the Ravens, Jason Brown. Hes 6' 3" 320, out of UNC

Heres a Ravens highlight, watch him play. Hes athletic, has the size, is young, and is good at both pass and run blocking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hkkyAuxsHY

Heres a Ravens fan article on him:

http://ravens24x7.blogspot.com/2008/02/jason-brown-deserves-some-love-me.html

NFL.com:

http://www.nfl.com/players/jasonbrown/profile?id=BRO502739

This is the type of signing that makes sense to me for this team. It wont cost a fortune and is a solid move for the future too. The kid can play well.

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Heres a Q and A:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.ravens22oct22002029,0,3942629.story

He may be off the market before he ever went on it:

http://www.rototimes.com/nfl/player/5832

I would love him, but I have heard from my brother in law in Baltimore that they are ready to give him a big raise and that he is their top offseason priority. Here is hoping that is wrong.