Antonio Smith

[patmoran2006]

Anyone want to re-evaluate him now?

I remember hearing someone, dont remember who saying he'd be no good for the Bills at DE in Free Agency.

I say bull****.. This kid can play. I now want us to get him.

[OpIv37]

is he a slow, undersized white guy? If not, forget it because he doesn't "fit the system."

[OpIv37]

seriously, though, he only has 14.5 career sacks. I only saw pieces of the game and I didn't really watch him, and I know stats don't tell the whole story. But adding another DE who can only get 3 sacks a season won't help this team.

[Turbo.GUN.Hawk!]

I would sign him, he is good.

[streetkings01]

is he a slow, undersized white guy? If not, forget it because he doesn't "fit the system."The correct phrase would be "high motor".....carry on.

[OpIv37]

The correct phrase would be "high motor".....carry on.

Well, "high motor" is usually used to describe guys who play at the same speed the whole 60 minutes. It's actually a pretty good description for our DE's- they're just as slow on the first snap of a game as they are on the last.

[BuffaloBillsStampede]

All I can tell you is that I signed him to a free agent deal in Madden the other day and he made a game saving sack so take it for what you want....................

[jimbohastle51]

Anyone want to re-evaluate him now?

I remember hearing someone, dont remember who saying he'd be no good for the Bills at DE in Free Agency.

I say bull****.. This kid can play. I now want us to get him.

he will be a steal in free agency too. he has only been a full time starter for this season but last year did alot of rotational work for them. he will be a guy that gets spencer johnson money and could end up being a 10 sack a year guy easily!

[theanswer74]

is he a slow, undersized white guy? If not, forget it because he doesn't "fit the system."

No, he is a slow black guy.


12. Antonio Smith, Oklahoma State (6-3 3/8, 274)
Had a complete workout at the combine and ran his 40s in 4.99 and 5.05. Had a 33-inch vertical jump, 9-foot long jump, 24 strength lifts and ran 4.80 in the short shuttle. Worked out at his Pro Day, recording times of 4.93 and 5.03 in the 40-yard dash and also did position workouts. Came to Oklahoma State after playing two years in junior college. Had five sacks in 2003. Developing as a pass rusher. Has good quickness and works hard.

http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2004/04/12/2/

[Turbo.GUN.Hawk!]

^ So tell me the answer, is he not the answer?

Seriously, fock the combine.

[Mahdi]

K. I dont care how well he played for AZ. AZ plays a 3-4 defense. He's a DE in their scheme. There is a reason 3-4 DEs dont play DE in 4-3 defenses. If the Bills signed Antonio Smith which I guarantee you wont happen (and hope it doesnt) he will be used as a penetrating DT.

The guy is a slow 290 pound DE in a 3-4 and you want him to be an edge rusher in a 4-3? Cmon man....

[Turbo.GUN.Hawk!]

Well it's not like I'm an expert but Arizona uses the 4-3 defense very often and actually some big plays of Smith came when we was aligned as a prototipical 4-3 defensive end. Actually, if I am not mistaken there were times he was used as the outside linebacker in the 3-4 scheme and that tells me he is more of a outside pass rusher than a defensive tackle. He is not a Chris Canty.

[yordad]

Arizona usually runs a 3-4?

[Turbo.GUN.Hawk!]

So far in the playoffs they have been switching between 3-4 and 4-3. I didn't follow them that close in the regular season but I think they used to run a 4-3.

Maybe it was that December's streak that made them change their scheme?

[Mahdi]

Well it's not like I'm an expert but Arizona uses the 4-3 defense very often and actually some big plays of Smith came when we was aligned as a prototipical 4-3 defensive end. Actually, if I am not mistaken there were times he was used as the outside linebacker in the 3-4 scheme and that tells me he is more of a outside pass rusher than a defensive tackle. He is not a Chris Canty.
Antonio Smith is not used as an edge rusher out of the 3-4 alignment. AZ uses Bertrand Berry, Okeafor, Laboy for that purpose, not Smith. And just because Smith is used as a DE in a 4-3 sometimes (rarely cuz they use Laboy as the DE when they line up in a 4-3) it doesnt mean he can be effective as an every down edge rusher in a cover 2. Thats just not realistic.

[Mahdi]

Arizona usually runs a 3-4?
Yes. They are almost exclusively a 3-4 team now. They mix in some 4-3.

[theanswer74]

^ So tell me the answer, is he not the answer?

Seriously, fock the combine.

He runs a 5.0 40. That is slow. He is not an edge rusher that we are looking for. He is a big slow player.

[Turbo.GUN.Hawk!]

And just because Smith is used as a DE in a 4-3 sometimes (rarely cuz they use Laboy as the DE when they line up in a 4-3) it doesnt mean he can be effective as an every down edge rusher in a cover 2. Thats just not realistic.
Ok, you sound convincing.

[yordad]

Yes. They are almost exclusively a 3-4 team now. They mix in some 4-3.What did they run when we played them? I guess I am not recalling clearly.

[Mahdi]

What did they run when we played them? I guess I am not recalling clearly.
Hybrid. When Wisenhunt got there he wanted to fully convert his team to a 3-4 but he used a Hybrid instead since he had a mixture of different players. Against us they mainly played 3-4 with Dockett and Smith as DEs and Watson at the NT.

[yordad]

Hybrid. When Wisenhunt got there he wanted to fully convert his team to a 3-4 but he used a Hybrid instead since he had a mixture of different players. Against us they mainly played 3-4 with Dockett and Smith as DEs and Watson at the NT.The offical report is they "started" the game in 4-3. But, if you are saying they played a majority in a 3-4, that would mean the Bills beat every team that didn't.

[The Jokeman]

Arizona usually runs a 3-4?
They've been playing a hybrid 3-4/4-3 the last two years under Whizenhunt. In terms of Antonio Smith, I don't forecast him as a good 4-3 DE as not a great pass rusher. If anything he'd be a solid left DE but he might be able to fit in as a DT on this D but rather go after his teammate Bertard Berry to play DE.

[OpIv37]

They've been playing a hybrid 3-4/4-3 the last two years under Whizenhunt. In terms of Antonio Smith, I don't forecast him as a good 4-3 DE as not a great pass rusher. If anything he'd be a solid left DE but he might be able to fit in as a DT on this D but rather go after his teammate Bertard Berry to play DE.

Bertard? Is that like a combination of a botard and a ******?

[OpIv37]

Back to the topic at hand, Smith is 290. The last thing this team needs is another undersized DT.

[The Jokeman]

Back to the topic at hand, Smith is 290. The last thing this team needs is another undersized DT.
The Bills need a pass rushing DT and why was thinking Smith might be able to make the transition but again wouldn't count on it.

[theanswer74]

The Bills need a pass rushing DT and why was thinking Smith might be able to make the transition but again wouldn't count on it.

Isnt that why they gave Spencer Johnson 17 million?

[The Jokeman]

Isnt that why they gave Spencer Johnson 17 million?
UGH! I wasn't in favor of the Spencer Johnson signing and still think he was a side grade for Larry Tripplett but we're paying him more.