DraftBoy's Mock Draft v2.2

[DraftBoy]

Round 1
1. Detroit Lions-QB Matthew Stafford-Georgia
2. St. Louis Rams-OT Andre Smith-Alabama
3. Kansas City Chiefs-WR Michael Crabtree-Texas Tech
4. Seattle Seahawks-QB Mark Sanchez-USC
5. Cleveland Browns-RB Chris Wells-Ohio State
6. Cincinnati Bengals-CB Malcolm Jenkins-Ohio State
7. Oakland Raiders-DE Brian Orakpo-Texas
8. Jacksonville Jaguars-OT Michael Oher-Ole Miss
9. Green Bay Packers-OT Eugene Monroe-Virginia
10. San Francisco 49ers-DT BJ Raji-Boston College
11. Buffalo Bills-LB Aaron Curry-Wake Forest
12. Denver Broncos-RB Knowshon Moreno-Georgia
13. Washington Redskins-OT Jason Smith-Baylor
14. New Orleans Saints-CB Vontae Davis-Illinois
15. Houston Texans-CB DJ Moore-Vanderbilt
16. San Diego Chargers-DE/OLB Everett Brown-FSU
17. New York Jets-DE Michael Johnson-Georgia Tech
18. Chicago Bears-WR Kenny Britt-Rutgers
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers-WR Jeremy Maclin-Missouri
20. Detroit Lions (via Dallas)-LB Rey Maualuga-USC
21. Minnesota Vikings-OT Phil Loadholt-Oklahoma
22. New England Patriots-DE Tyson Jackson-LSU
23. Atlanta Falcons-DT Peria Jerry-Ole Miss
24. Miami Dolphins-CB Alphonso Smith-Wake Forest
25. Indianapolis Colts-DT Sen’Derrick Marks-Auburn
26. Philadelphia Eagles (via Carolina)-LB James Laurinaitis-Ohio State
27. New York Giants-LB Clint Sintim-Virginia
28. Tennessee Titans-DT Terrance Taylor-Michigan
29. Philadelphia Eagles-OT Jarmon Meredith-South Carolina
30. Baltimore Ravens-WR Hakeem Nicks-North Carolina
31. Arizona Cardinals-DE/OLB Aaron Maybin-Penn State
32. Pittsburgh Steelers-OG Duke Robinson-Oklahoma

Round 2
33. Detroit Lions-OT Max Unger-Oregon
34. St. Louis Rams-QB Josh Freeman-Kansas State
35. Kansas City Chiefs-RB Shonn Greene-Iowa
36. Seattle Seahawks-OT Eben Britton-Arizona
37. Cleveland Browns-CB Mike Mickens-Cincinnati
38. Cincinnati Bengals-RB LeSean McCoy-Pittsburgh
39. Oakland Raiders-LB Gerald McRath-Southern Miss
40. Jacksonville Jaguars-LB Brian Cushing-USC
41. Green Bay Packers-RB Glenn Coffee-Alabama
42. San Francisco 49ers-QB Rhett Bomar-Sam Houston State
43. Buffalo Bills-SS Michael Hamlin-Clemson
44. Denver Broncos-FS William Moore-Missouri
45. Miami Dolphins (via Washington)-DE Connor Barwin-Cincinnati
46. New York Giants (via New Orleans)-OC Alex Mack-Cal
47. Houston Texans-LB Zach Follet-Cal
48. New England Patriots (via San Diego)-OT Ryan Stanchek-West Virginia
49. New York Jets-OG Herman Johnson-LSU
50. Chicago Bears-OG Trevor Canfield-Cincinnati
51. Tampa Bay Buccaneers-WR Percy Harvin-Florida
52. Dallas Cowboys-FS Rashad Johnson-Alabama
53. Minnesota Vikings-TE Chase Coffman-Missouri
54. New England Patriots-CB Sean Smith-Utah
55. Atlanta Falcons-SS Otis Wiley-Michigan State
56. Miami Dolphins-FS Derek Pegues-Mississippi State
57. Indianapolis Colts-CB Darius Butler-UCONN
58. Carolina Panthers-DE Paul Kruger-Utah
59. New York Giants-WR Ramses Barden-Cal Poly-SLO
60. Tennessee Titans-WR Austin Collie-BYU
61. Philadelphia Eagles-OT William Beatty-UCONN
62. Baltimore Ravens-WR Joaquin Iglesias-Oklahoma
63. Arizona Cardinals-RB Javon Ringer-Michigan State
64. Pittsburgh Steelers-CB Captain Munnerlyn-South Carolina

[LtFinFan66]

I thought the Fins had the #25 pick? Did they move up another spot?

[DraftBoy]

I thought the Fins had the #25 pick? Did they move up another spot?


I had them at 25 to start too but CBS has them at 24 and a few other mocks I checked. I could of sworn they were 25 though. Im sure somebody will provide a link to confirm and Ill fix it if needed.

[mysticsoto]

In rd 2, I'd take DE Barwin or C Mack...2 much bigger needs than SS...

[DraftBoy]

In rd 2, I'd take DE Barwin or C Mack...2 much bigger needs than SS...

Barwin is too much of a project to fix the pass rush and the Mack argument has been hashed out too many times to go over again and again.

[Ickybaluky]

There were 4 teams tied at 11-5: Patriots (23rd), Falcons (24th), Dolphins (25th) and Ravens (26th).

Those four teams will rotate in each round of the draft. Thus, in the second round the Patriots pick 26th in the round and everyone moves up one (Atl - 23rd, Mia - 24th, Bal - 25th, NE - 26th). In the third round it happens again (Mia - 23rd, Bal - 24th, NE - 25th, Atl - 26th). And so one for each round.

Also, the Pats pick in the 2nd round from SD is $47, not #48. SD picks 15th in that round.

[DraftBoy]

There were 4 teams tied at 11-5: Patriots (23rd), Falcons (24th), Dolphins (25th) and Ravens (26th).

Those four teams will rotate in each round of the draft. Thus, in the second round the Patriots pick 26th in the round and everyone moves up one (Atl - 23rd, Mia - 24th, Bal - 25th, NE - 26th). In the third round it happens again (Mia - 23rd, Bal - 24th, NE - 25th, Atl - 26th). And so one for each round.

Also, the Pats pick in the 2nd round from SD is $47, not #48. SD picks 15th each round.


See told you somebody would correct it for me.

And a flip flop of SD and Houston also?

[ddaryl]

Barwin is too much of a project to fix the pass rush and the Mack argument has been hashed out too many times to go over again and again.

sorry ya have to go over it again because I don't understand why we wouldn't pick up a much more dire need in the 2nd round like a C

Hopefully Curry falls

[Ickybaluky]

LINK (http://football.about.com/od/nfldraft/a/nfldraftorder.htm)

ROUND ONE
1. Detroit (0-16)
2. St. Louis (2-14)
3. Kansas City (2-14)
4. Seattle (4-12)
5. Cleveland (4-12)
6. Cincinnati (4-11-1)
7. Oakland (5-11)
8. Jacksonville (5-11)
9. Green Bay (6-10)
10. San Francisco (7-9)
11. Buffalo (7-9)
12. Denver (8-8)
13. Washington (8-8)
14. New Orleans (8-8)
15. Houston (8-8)
16. San Diego (8-8)
17. New York Jets (9-7)
18. Chicago (9-7)
19. Tampa Bay (9-6)
20. Detroit (from Dallas) (9-7)
21. Philadelphia (9-6-1)
22. Minnesota (10-6)
23. New England (11-5)
24. Atlanta (11-5)
25. Miami (11-5)
26. Baltimore (11-5)
27. Indianapolis (12-4)
28. Philadelphia (from Carolina) (12-4)
29. New York Giants (12-4)
30. Tennessee (13-3)
31. *Arizona (9-7)
32. *Pittsburgh (12-4)

*To be determined by the outcome of the Super Bowl

[Ickybaluky]

Determining draft order (http://football.about.com/od/miscinformation/a/detdraftorder.htm)

• The team with the lowest winning percentage at the end of the previous season drafts first in the NFL Draft.

• The rest of the teams are placed in order from lowest winning percentage to the highest.

• The Super Bowl winner drafts last, even if they do not have the highest winning percentage.

• The Super Bowl loser drafts next to last.

• Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage.

• Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure.

• As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage.

• If a playoff and non-playoff team end the season with the same winning percentage, the non-playoff team selects before the playoff team regardless of strength of schedule.

[DraftBoy]

sorry ya have to go over it again because I don't understand why we wouldn't pick up a much more dire need in the 2nd round like a C

I pick on value not need, thats the easiest way to put it. I dont see any OC worth a top 45 pick. Mack's value imo is inflated by everybody looking for the next Nick Mangold. You don't take an OC who is an excellent run blocker but only a good pass blocker in the top 45. Mangold was excellent at both, hell Faine and Spencer were excellent at both, Mack is not. That's not a knock on Mack, its a knock on people over inflating Mack's value.

[mysticsoto]

Barwin is too much of a project to fix the pass rush and the Mack argument has been hashed out too many times to go over again and again.

That's what alot of people said about DRC (that he would be too much of a project) and yet you and I both agreed that he would likely be worth it...

If Mack is the top C with all around skills (both pass and run blocking) then 2nd rd isn't terrible to grab him. And our need is that great at the position that I'd like someone who will man the position for yrs to come alongside our other Olinemen that are signed long term. I've even read some scouting reports saying he is 1st rd quality. In any case, with a top Center, we don't have to worry about the Oline likely for years to come...except maybe watching for improvement at RG...and maybe we'll finally have a running game!

[justasportsfan]

So you think this coaching staff does not think it needs to address the pass rush via a DE ? Do you think they will go FA for the position or that they are set with what they have now?

[justasportsfan]

I pick on value not need, thats the easiest way to put it. .
the bills have proven to trade up based on need. McCargo and Poz.

[Ingtar33]

im not sure how likely that draft is...

I need to pay a bit more attention to team needs, but i can't believe a draft as deep and strong as this one is, on the defensive side of the ball, would only have 3 players go before the Bills pick at 11.

Look at the teams who draft before the Bills, most of them are terrible defensively.

I'd expect around 5 defensive players to go in the top 10.

[patmoran2006]

Curry didnt go back to school?

[TigerJ]

I really really hope that either Orakpo or Curry drops to #11, but I'm not at all confident that's going to happen. If neither one does, then Buffalo is going to have to make some difficult choices, not that anyone in the Bills will ever admit dissappointment with what is available.

Michael Johnson-questions about production and consistency of effort

Rey Maualuga questions about his suitabiliy for the cover two, and whether it would harm or benefit Posluzney to shift outside.

Everette Brown-questions about whether he is big enough to really offer an improvement over Schobel.

[Raptor]

Like the first pick not a fan of the second pick

I dont want to see a S drafted before the 5th or at all and if we do happen to draft one Wiley will be better than Hamlin

[PECKERWOOD]

In rd 2, I'd take DE Barwin or C Mack...2 much bigger needs than SS...

Beat me to it, I agree completely with you.

[PECKERWOOD]

Curry at 11 is a dream come true, however that's a highly unlikely scenario. I personally think that Curry, Brown and Orakpo are ALL gone before we pick. People can question Michael Johnson all they want but he is my favorite choice for our 1st pick.

I would rather have: Mack, Coffman, Barwin, Johnson, Harvin and Kruger over Hamlin. Furthermore, we need a free safety more than a SS. I'm not sold on Whitner's ball skills, probably better suited at SS rather than FS. Also, I don't think that FS/SS is as big of a need as some are making it out to be. Scott and Whitner were serviceable starters and Ko Simpson is an adequate backup.

Here is our positions of need, priority wise, imo:

1.) DE
2.) C
3.) TE
4.) OLB
5.) SS/FS

I feel like there are multiple options for an impact OLB in FA, hence me putting them so low on the priority list. Crowell, Dansby, Scott and Suggs just to name a few. We are looking at a very strong FA for OLB and very weak draft for OLB. This is one position that our FO should address before the draft.

If Mack falls to us in the 2nd, we are fools for not taking him. He is the best center in the draft in terms of run blocking. He won't get pushed around by Jenkins and Wilfork.

Give me: |1st.) Michael Johnson |2nd.) Alex Mack |3rd.) BPA

[BillsWin]

Round 1
1. Detroit Lions-QB Matthew Stafford-Georgia
2. St. Louis Rams-OT Andre Smith-Alabama
3. Kansas City Chiefs-WR Michael Crabtree-Texas Tech
4. Seattle Seahawks-QB Mark Sanchez-USC
5. Cleveland Browns-RB Chris Wells-Ohio State
6. Cincinnati Bengals-CB Malcolm Jenkins-Ohio State
7. Oakland Raiders-DE Brian Orakpo-Texas
8. Jacksonville Jaguars-OT Michael Oher-Ole Miss
9. Green Bay Packers-OT Eugene Monroe-Virginia
10. San Francisco 49ers-DT BJ Raji-Boston College
11. Buffalo Bills-LB Aaron Curry-Wake Forest
12. Denver Broncos-RB Knowshon Moreno-Georgia
13. Washington Redskins-OT Jason Smith-Baylor
14. New Orleans Saints-CB Vontae Davis-Illinois
15. Houston Texans-CB DJ Moore-Vanderbilt
16. San Diego Chargers-DE/OLB Everett Brown-FSU
17. New York Jets-DE Michael Johnson-Georgia Tech
18. Chicago Bears-WR Kenny Britt-Rutgers
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers-WR Jeremy Maclin-Missouri
20. Detroit Lions (via Dallas)-LB Rey Maualuga-USC
21. Minnesota Vikings-OT Phil Loadholt-Oklahoma
22. New England Patriots-DE Tyson Jackson-LSU
23. Atlanta Falcons-DT Peria Jerry-Ole Miss
24. Miami Dolphins-CB Alphonso Smith-Wake Forest
25. Indianapolis Colts-DT Sen’Derrick Marks-Auburn
26. Philadelphia Eagles (via Carolina)-LB James Laurinaitis-Ohio State
27. New York Giants-LB Clint Sintim-Virginia
28. Tennessee Titans-DT Terrance Taylor-Michigan
29. Philadelphia Eagles-OT Jarmon Meredith-South Carolina
30. Baltimore Ravens-WR Hakeem Nicks-North Carolina
31. Arizona Cardinals-DE/OLB Aaron Maybin-Penn State
32. Pittsburgh Steelers-OG Duke Robinson-Oklahoma

Round 2
33. Detroit Lions-OT Max Unger-Oregon
34. St. Louis Rams-QB Josh Freeman-Kansas State
35. Kansas City Chiefs-RB Shonn Greene-Iowa
36. Seattle Seahawks-OT Eben Britton-Arizona
37. Cleveland Browns-CB Mike Mickens-Cincinnati
38. Cincinnati Bengals-RB LeSean McCoy-Pittsburgh
39. Oakland Raiders-LB Gerald McRath-Southern Miss
40. Jacksonville Jaguars-LB Brian Cushing-USC
41. Green Bay Packers-RB Glenn Coffee-Alabama
42. San Francisco 49ers-QB Rhett Bomar-Sam Houston State
43. Buffalo Bills-SS Michael Hamlin-Clemson
44. Denver Broncos-FS William Moore-Missouri
45. Miami Dolphins (via Washington)-DE Connor Barwin-Cincinnati
46. New York Giants (via New Orleans)-OC Alex Mack-Cal
47. Houston Texans-LB Zach Follet-Cal
48. New England Patriots (via San Diego)-OT Ryan Stanchek-West Virginia
49. New York Jets-OG Herman Johnson-LSU
50. Chicago Bears-OG Trevor Canfield-Cincinnati
51. Tampa Bay Buccaneers-WR Percy Harvin-Florida
52. Dallas Cowboys-FS Rashad Johnson-Alabama
53. Minnesota Vikings-TE Chase Coffman-Missouri
54. New England Patriots-CB Sean Smith-Utah
55. Atlanta Falcons-SS Otis Wiley-Michigan State
56. Miami Dolphins-FS Derek Pegues-Mississippi State
57. Indianapolis Colts-CB Darius Butler-UCONN
58. Carolina Panthers-DE Paul Kruger-Utah
59. New York Giants-WR Ramses Barden-Cal Poly-SLO
60. Tennessee Titans-WR Austin Collie-BYU
61. Philadelphia Eagles-OT William Beatty-UCONN
62. Baltimore Ravens-WR Joaquin Iglesias-Oklahoma
63. Arizona Cardinals-RB Javon Ringer-Michigan State
64. Pittsburgh Steelers-CB Captain Munnerlyn-South Carolina

DB, explain Seattle's first round pick? They have much more pressing needs such as no depth or play making at WR, RB, OL. And Hassleback is still pro bowl QB.

Also, where is our d-end???

[Ingtar33]

1. Detroit Lions-QB Matthew Stafford-Georgia
2. St. Louis Rams-QB Mark Sanchez-USC
3. Kansas City Chiefs-DE Brian Orakpo-Texas
4. Seattle Seahawks-WR Michael Crabtree-Texas Tech
5. Cleveland Browns-RB Chris Wells-Ohio State
6. Cincinnati Bengals-DT BJ Raji-Boston College
7. Oakland Raiders-LB Aaron Curry-Wake Forest
8. Jacksonville Jaguars-CB Malcolm Jenkins-Ohio State
9. Green Bay Packers-DE Michael Johnson-Georgia Tech
10. San Francisco 49ers-DE/OLB Everett Brown-FSU
11. Buffalo Bills-LB Rey Maualuga-USC


i'd think that might be a bit more likely... I know the rams need an OT, but QB was just as big a need, and it's rare a team can pass a QB for an OT (Parcells not included). The chiefs NEED a DE far more then WR. The Seahawks need WR desperately (among other things). The Bengals need D-line help more then o-line... and they might go WR if they lose TJ. Curry is an Al Davis Type... that pick is to be revised after the combine 40 times. Jax needs DB, Pack needs DE, San Fran could go QB/WR or LB/DE with this pick. I could see them leaping at Brown.. as he'd make a good OLB for a 3-4

[PECKERWOOD]

1. Detroit Lions-QB Matthew Stafford-Georgia
2. St. Louis Rams-QB Mark Sanchez-USC
3. Kansas City Chiefs-DE Brian Orakpo-Texas
4. Seattle Seahawks-WR Michael Crabtree-Texas Tech
5. Cleveland Browns-RB Chris Wells-Ohio State
6. Cincinnati Bengals-DT BJ Raji-Boston College
7. Oakland Raiders-LB Aaron Curry-Wake Forest
8. Jacksonville Jaguars-CB Malcolm Jenkins-Ohio State
9. Green Bay Packers-DE Michael Johnson-Georgia Tech
10. San Francisco 49ers-DE/OLB Everett Brown-FSU
11. Buffalo Bills-LB Rey Maualuga-USC


i'd think that might be a bit more likely... I know the rams need an OT, but QB was just as big a need, and it's rare a team can pass a QB for an OT (Parcells not included). The chiefs NEED a DE far more then WR. The Seahawks need WR desperately (among other things). The Bengals need D-line help more then o-line... and they might go WR if they lose TJ. Curry is an Al Davis Type... that pick is to be revised after the combine 40 times.

Jax needs DB, Pack needs DE, San Fran could go QB/WR or LB/DE with this pick. I could see them leeping at Brown.. as he'd make a good OLB for a 3-4

If that happens we had better trade down. :ill:

Raji in the top 10, eh? Maybe.

[SeatownBillsFan21]

if currys there then we should take him

[SeatownBillsFan21]

Seattle has not big time WR Ingram will also be gone that = crabtree

[Mr. Pink]

I've heard rumblings that the people in Cleveland are rating Knowshon higher than Beanie....

I highly doubt the Broncos go RB in RD1...they can plug anyone in and get decent results.

Is Unger going to be a tackle or center at the NFL level?

I really think now, the best option for us, is to trade down...if at all possible.

[patmoran2006]

I've heard rumblings that the people in Cleveland are rating Knowshon higher than Beanie....

I highly doubt the Broncos go RB in RD1...they can plug anyone in and get decent results.

Is Unger going to be a tackle or center at the NFL level?

I really think now, the best option for us, is to trade down...if at all possible.
I usually hate that notion, I think you get an impact player at #11.

But with Grisham back in school, and Curry sure to be gone long before #11 (IMO)-- I would trade down too.

Maybe pick up one of these later first round DE's after trading down, and pick up a center or a LB with your second pick.

[Mr. Pink]

I usually hate that notion, I think you get an impact player at #11.

But with Grisham back in school, and Curry sure to be gone long before #11 (IMO)-- I would trade down too.

Maybe pick up one of these later first round DE's after trading down, and pick up a center or a LB with your second pick.


With all the top quality underclassmen that decided to go back to school for another year...the pickings at 11 aren't all that great.

To be honest, I'd have no problem trading the 11th pick to Detroit for a 3rd this year and next years' 1.

At least with the way things stand right now and if we decide to give Peters an extension.

[DraftBoy]

I've heard rumblings that the people in Cleveland are rating Knowshon higher than Beanie....

I highly doubt the Broncos go RB in RD1...they can plug anyone in and get decent results.

Is Unger going to be a tackle or center at the NFL level?

I really think now, the best option for us, is to trade down...if at all possible.

Cleveland would not be wise to take Moreno ahead of Beanie. Moreno would not do well in the AFC North imo. He does not like being hit and can get knicked up during games.

I think we may see a change in philopshy in Denver, and Moreno could flourish in the system McDaniels will bring in.

Unger could be any position he wants, he's the most versatile OL in the draft.

Best option right now is to sit and wait and see what happens.

[patmoran2006]

Can Unger play DE or OLB?

[elltrain22]

I would be happy w/ those 2 picks, especially Curry, but I hope thats not at Crowell's cost.

[X-Era]

Can Unger play DE or OLB?
So, Im not a fan of Dansby... still. But he probably is better than Crowell. Furthermore, Bart Scott has grown on me. He hits hard, and plays hard. Hes probably also better than Crowell.

Let Crowell leave and upgrade the position.

At DE, we can make an impact in the draft if we get the right guy and do it early.

And then Unger becomes a legit option... How about a bit of faith?

[jdbillsfan]

What about Pettigrew? Mayock thinks he will be a game changer at the next level and a mid to high first round pick.

[DraftBoy]

That's what alot of people said about DRC (that he would be too much of a project) and yet you and I both agreed that he would likely be worth it...

If Mack is the top C with all around skills (both pass and run blocking) then 2nd rd isn't terrible to grab him. And our need is that great at the position that I'd like someone who will man the position for yrs to come alongside our other Olinemen that are signed long term. I've even read some scouting reports saying he is 1st rd quality. In any case, with a top Center, we don't have to worry about the Oline likely for years to come...except maybe watching for improvement at RG...and maybe we'll finally have a running game!

No people who didnt watch DRC play saw where he played and said he was a project. Barwin is not the same case and you know that.

Mack has good all-around skill but he is not the best pass blocking OC in this class. Grabbing him in the 2nd is not terrible but with such a deep OC class, why take one there when you can grab a good OC who can probably start on Day 1 in Round 4?? When we can go S here and get another starter at a weaker position and still fill a need and then address OC again later?

[Mitchell55]

No people who didnt watch DRC play saw where he played and said he was a project. Barwin is not the same case and you know that.

Mack has good all-around skill but he is not the best pass blocking OC in this class. Grabbing him in the 2nd is not terrible but with such a deep OC class, why take one there when you can grab a good OC who can probably start on Day 1 in Round 4?? When we can go S here and get another starter at a weaker position and still fill a need and then address OC again later?



Check out my mock.

[DraftBoy]

im not sure how likely that draft is...

I need to pay a bit more attention to team needs, but i can't believe a draft as deep and strong as this one is, on the defensive side of the ball, would only have 3 players go before the Bills pick at 11.

Look at the teams who draft before the Bills, most of them are terrible defensively.

I'd expect around 5 defensive players to go in the top 10.

I just dont see the defensive difference makers for that many to go so high. Even Curry and Jenkins are not huge playmaking difference makers. That's not a knock but they aren't a Shawn Merriman and Charles Woodson type coming out. They are just as sound fundamentally and just as good, but not the same type of players.

[DraftBoy]

Curry didnt go back to school?

Curry was a Senior he couldnt of gone back.

[DraftBoy]

I really really hope that either Orakpo or Curry drops to #11, but I'm not at all confident that's going to happen. If neither one does, then Buffalo is going to have to make some dificult choices, not that anyone in the Blls will ever admit dissappointment with what is available.

Michael Johnson-questions about production and consistency of effort

Rey Maualuga questions about his suitabiliy for the cover two, and whether it would harm or benefit Posluzney to shift outside.

Everette Brown-questions about whether he is big enough to really offer an improvement over Schobel.

I agree whole heartidly but even Orakpo has questions about his game.

:bf1:

[DraftBoy]

Like the first pick not a fan of the second pick

I dont want to see a S drafted before the 5th or at all and if we do happen to draft one Wiley will be better than Hamlin

S is a huge need in the Cover 2, we've tried to fill it before and rightfully so but been unsuccessful as of yet. If your S's are no good and you cant generate a pass rush you are doomed to getting beat deep.

[DraftBoy]

DB, explain Seattle's first round pick? They have much more pressing needs such as no depth or play making at WR, RB, OL. And Hassleback is still pro bowl QB.

Also, where is our d-end???

Hasselback is aging and while he is a very good QB when he plays, and this season he didnt play that often (7 games). At 33 its time to think of the future and give Hasselback next season and have his successor ready to take over there after.

Seattle has Burleson at WR and Jones and Morris had over 1200 yards on the ground.

[jimbohastle51]

Round 1
1. Detroit Lions-QB Matthew Stafford-Georgia
2. St. Louis Rams-OT Andre Smith-Alabama
3. Kansas City Chiefs-WR Michael Crabtree-Texas Tech
4. Seattle Seahawks-QB Mark Sanchez-USC
5. Cleveland Browns-RB Chris Wells-Ohio State
6. Cincinnati Bengals-CB Malcolm Jenkins-Ohio State
7. Oakland Raiders-DE Brian Orakpo-Texas
8. Jacksonville Jaguars-OT Michael Oher-Ole Miss
9. Green Bay Packers-OT Eugene Monroe-Virginia
10. San Francisco 49ers-DT BJ Raji-Boston College
11. Buffalo Bills-LB Aaron Curry-Wake Forest
12. Denver Broncos-RB Knowshon Moreno-Georgia
13. Washington Redskins-OT Jason Smith-Baylor
14. New Orleans Saints-CB Vontae Davis-Illinois
15. Houston Texans-CB DJ Moore-Vanderbilt
16. San Diego Chargers-DE/OLB Everett Brown-FSU
17. New York Jets-DE Michael Johnson-Georgia Tech
18. Chicago Bears-WR Kenny Britt-Rutgers
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers-WR Jeremy Maclin-Missouri
20. Detroit Lions (via Dallas)-LB Rey Maualuga-USC
21. Minnesota Vikings-OT Phil Loadholt-Oklahoma
22. New England Patriots-DE Tyson Jackson-LSU
23. Atlanta Falcons-DT Peria Jerry-Ole Miss
24. Miami Dolphins-CB Alphonso Smith-Wake Forest
25. Indianapolis Colts-DT Sen’Derrick Marks-Auburn
26. Philadelphia Eagles (via Carolina)-LB James Laurinaitis-Ohio State
27. New York Giants-LB Clint Sintim-Virginia
28. Tennessee Titans-DT Terrance Taylor-Michigan
29. Philadelphia Eagles-OT Jarmon Meredith-South Carolina
30. Baltimore Ravens-WR Hakeem Nicks-North Carolina
31. Arizona Cardinals-DE/OLB Aaron Maybin-Penn State
32. Pittsburgh Steelers-OG Duke Robinson-Oklahoma

Round 2
33. Detroit Lions-OT Max Unger-Oregon
34. St. Louis Rams-QB Josh Freeman-Kansas State
35. Kansas City Chiefs-RB Shonn Greene-Iowa
36. Seattle Seahawks-OT Eben Britton-Arizona
37. Cleveland Browns-CB Mike Mickens-Cincinnati
38. Cincinnati Bengals-RB LeSean McCoy-Pittsburgh
39. Oakland Raiders-LB Gerald McRath-Southern Miss
40. Jacksonville Jaguars-LB Brian Cushing-USC
41. Green Bay Packers-RB Glenn Coffee-Alabama
42. San Francisco 49ers-QB Rhett Bomar-Sam Houston State
43. Buffalo Bills-SS Michael Hamlin-Clemson
44. Denver Broncos-FS William Moore-Missouri
45. Miami Dolphins (via Washington)-DE Connor Barwin-Cincinnati
46. New York Giants (via New Orleans)-OC Alex Mack-Cal
47. Houston Texans-LB Zach Follet-Cal
48. New England Patriots (via San Diego)-OT Ryan Stanchek-West Virginia
49. New York Jets-OG Herman Johnson-LSU
50. Chicago Bears-OG Trevor Canfield-Cincinnati
51. Tampa Bay Buccaneers-WR Percy Harvin-Florida
52. Dallas Cowboys-FS Rashad Johnson-Alabama
53. Minnesota Vikings-TE Chase Coffman-Missouri
54. New England Patriots-CB Sean Smith-Utah
55. Atlanta Falcons-SS Otis Wiley-Michigan State
56. Miami Dolphins-FS Derek Pegues-Mississippi State
57. Indianapolis Colts-CB Darius Butler-UCONN
58. Carolina Panthers-DE Paul Kruger-Utah
59. New York Giants-WR Ramses Barden-Cal Poly-SLO
60. Tennessee Titans-WR Austin Collie-BYU
61. Philadelphia Eagles-OT William Beatty-UCONN
62. Baltimore Ravens-WR Joaquin Iglesias-Oklahoma
63. Arizona Cardinals-RB Javon Ringer-Michigan State
64. Pittsburgh Steelers-CB Captain Munnerlyn-South Carolina


draftboy do you see any scenario that orakpo falls to us without us going up to get him? i dont see many?? if anything i feel he is a guy multiple teams will be willing to trade into the top 10 (like jax for harvey) to get.

[Dr. Lecter]

Bills get Curry.

I am happy.

[User Manuel]

If we ended up with those two in one and 2 I'd be very, very happy.

[mysticsoto]

No people who didnt watch DRC play saw where he played and said he was a project. Barwin is not the same case and you know that.

Mack has good all-around skill but he is not the best pass blocking OC in this class. Grabbing him in the 2nd is not terrible but with such a deep OC class, why take one there when you can grab a good OC who can probably start on Day 1 in Round 4?? When we can go S here and get another starter at a weaker position and still fill a need and then address OC again later?

We could certainly get a serviceable Center later. My bigger problem is that your mock leaves us without improvement on the Dline. Curry may improve the 2nd level of defense, but he will still be tackling past the LOS where the front 4 should be helping out. Stroud is getting older and he's got no help. That's unacceptable...Getting a better safety may help improve our secondary...but cover 2 is based on the front 4, not on a great secondary. If the front 4 can't cut it, then we are forced to blitz and get away from the scheme leaving giant open holes and we'll be screwed like we seem to be every year. Kelsay needs serious replacing as he is almost useless. Denney is adequate for rotation, but until we get someone opposite Schobel (who hasn't been great himself)...the front 4 will suck. Stroud gets double or triple teamed and the rest do nothing.

[DraftBoy]

We all need to come to the conclusion and quickly that the solution to our front four DE issues very well will not simply be solved by taking a guy who plays DE. Every DE in this class has big time question marks.

[Forward_Lateral]

Draft boy, I saw a mock with the Bills taking C Alex Mack. He is touted as the best Center to enter the draft in a long time, but is really worthy of the 11th pick? I could see Buffalo drafting a guy like this, someone nobody really knows about.

[DraftBoy]

No in my evaluations Mack is not as good as Nick Mangold coming out and is not worth a top 45 pick.

[mysticsoto]

We all need to come to the conclusion and quickly that the solution to our front four DE issues very well will not simply be solved by taking a guy who plays DE. Every DE in this class has big time question marks.

Yes, but doing nothing is not going to help either...

[DraftBoy]

Did I say do nothing though? Just because we don't grab a DE is round 1 or 2 does not mean the position does not get addressed.

[Forward_Lateral]

No in my evaluations Mack is not as good as Nick Mangold coming out and is not worth a top 45 pick.

I have to agree, even if he is as good, picking a Center @ #11 seems like a waste.

[EDS]

I have to agree, even if he is as good, picking a Center @ #11 seems like a waste.

No one is suggesting picking a center with the eleventh pick. The debate is whether he is a worthy candidate for the Bills second round pick.

[EDS]

We all need to come to the conclusion and quickly that the solution to our front four DE issues very well will not simply be solved by taking a guy who plays DE. Every DE in this class has big time question marks.

If the Bills don't do something about the d-line early in the draft or via free agency (which is unlikely in my opinion due to cost) then everything else is just window dressing.

Obviously, if Curry falls then that is a no brainer pick but it would still leave huge question marks in the defensive front four.

[mysticsoto]

Did I say do nothing though? Just because we don't grab a DE is round 1 or 2 does not mean the position does not get addressed.

Well if you're advocating it be addressed in FA, I would also, but mock drafts aren't supposed to take that into acct...if you're advocating a later DE to fill in a void...I'd like to question who you think is capable of doing so from a lower rd pick...

[DraftBoy]

1. Detroit Lions-QB Matthew Stafford-Georgia
2. St. Louis Rams-QB Mark Sanchez-USC
3. Kansas City Chiefs-DE Brian Orakpo-Texas
4. Seattle Seahawks-WR Michael Crabtree-Texas Tech
5. Cleveland Browns-RB Chris Wells-Ohio State
6. Cincinnati Bengals-DT BJ Raji-Boston College
7. Oakland Raiders-LB Aaron Curry-Wake Forest
8. Jacksonville Jaguars-CB Malcolm Jenkins-Ohio State
9. Green Bay Packers-DE Michael Johnson-Georgia Tech
10. San Francisco 49ers-DE/OLB Everett Brown-FSU
11. Buffalo Bills-LB Rey Maualuga-USC


i'd think that might be a bit more likely... I know the rams need an OT, but QB was just as big a need, and it's rare a team can pass a QB for an OT (Parcells not included). The chiefs NEED a DE far more then WR. The Seahawks need WR desperately (among other things). The Bengals need D-line help more then o-line... and they might go WR if they lose TJ. Curry is an Al Davis Type... that pick is to be revised after the combine 40 times. Jax needs DB, Pack needs DE, San Fran could go QB/WR or LB/DE with this pick. I could see them leaping at Brown.. as he'd make a good OLB for a 3-4

I can see some of that happening, I dont see Raji to CIN though. They took Pat Sims last year as a future starter on their DL, and Ive heard they like him a lot. I think a guy like Jenkins make a lot more sense to them.

Also I question if StL goes QB so early considering how much pride their new HC takes in his lines play. I gotta think they go OT in Round 1, and look to snag a guy like Freeman or Davis in Rd 2 or 3.

Johnson could go to Green Bay with a great combine which I think he'll have and I agree that Brown is a great fit for SF as a 3-4 OLB.

I absolutely dislike the Maualuga pick though, just don't feel as though he is well suited a 4-3 C2 MLB. I think he's a much better 3-4 ILB.

[DraftBoy]

Well if you're advocating it be addressed in FA, I would also, but mock drafts aren't supposed to take that into acct...if you're advocating a later DE to fill in a void...I'd like to question who you think is capable of doing so from a lower rd pick...

What Im advocating is that we can't just go into the draft and assume that because we take a DE (or don't take one) are problems are solved (or still broken) we do have a young DE on the roster in Ellis who could develop and we don't know what we'll do in FA.

Are their later round guys Id like? Yea sure, a few names are Lawrence Sibury, Maurice Evans, Brandon Williams, Cody Brown, Michael Bennett, Brandon Swain, and Pannel Egboh.

[Forward_Lateral]

No one is suggesting picking a center with the eleventh pick. The debate is whether he is a worthy candidate for the Bills second round pick.

Did you read my posts?

[MikeInRoch]

I usually hate that notion, I think you get an impact player at #11.

As long as by "you", you mean teams with better scouting than Buffalo - yes.

[mysticsoto]

What Im advocating is that we can't just go into the draft and assume that because we take a DE (or don't take one) are problems are solved (or still broken) we do have a young DE on the roster in Ellis who could develop and we don't know what we'll do in FA.

Are their later round guys Id like? Yea sure, a few names are Lawrence Sibury, Maurice Evans, Brandon Williams, Cody Brown, Michael Bennett, Brandon Swain, and Pannel Egboh.

Fine but drafting another DE to develop should still be at the top of our priority lists. Kelsay has shown us what he can do and will never amt to anything more. Denney has shown us his best also and is, at best, a backup - but nothing special. Copeland Bryan showed flashes, but he's too inconsistent. That leaves Schobel who tends to do his best in bunches and has been sort of heading downward in the last 2 yrs, and Ellis who is admittedly an unknown on what he will or will not accomplish. As such, I'd say the DE position is pretty dire in need and trumps a SS for our 2nd rd pick even if we brought in a Julius Peppers! That's all I'm saying...

[DraftBoy]

And I'm saying I think its a huge mistake just to take a DE to take one. If we can get better value and fill another hole then why would we not take the better value player?? We can get the top OLB and top SS in my draft or we can get the #3 or #4 DE and #1 OC in your draft.Ill take my class with two top players over yours with just one.And we both fill big needs on this team.

[jimbohastle51]

i really dont see us taking a DE in the 1st unless orakpo falls to us, and i have kinda been preaching the fact we may have to go best player available (since i see no senario in which curry falls to us either) alot of guys are high on brandon pettigrew from okla st. but at 11 would be a bit of a reach. maybe if we do have a trade down scenario (depending on how free agency goes) we move back 3-4 spots and take him. he was a stud day one of the senior bowl week, and all the coaches are raving about his swim move to get away from defenders and get open and how he catches everything thrown his way (only knock i have heard is that he is a 4.7-4.8 40 guy, which means he wont get deep often), honestly until after the combine and the senior bowl its all just talk, guys like phillip rivers(marty coached him at the senior bowl and fell in love with him and it pushed his value up so high he was a top 5 pick), dominique rogers-cromartie(small school in tennesse and he completely dominated at the senior bowl and was probably the best corner at the combine as far as ball skills), and matt forte(senior bowl MVP last year and came out of tulane and after the senior bowl MVP the minute he ran a 4.4 at the combine he went from a 3rd-4th rounder to a late 1st-2nd rounder) all massively improved there status from good senior bowl weeks and strong combines so lets see what happens by the end of february.

[PECKERWOOD]

And I'm saying I think its a huge mistake just to take a DE to take one. If we can get better value and fill another hole then why would we not take the better value player?? We can get the top OLB and top SS in my draft or we can get the #3 or #4 DE and #1 OC in your draft.Ill take my class with two top players over yours with just one.And we both fill big needs on this team.

I'm OK with the Curry pick, I would just much rather have the top center (Mack) or the top tight end (Coffman) in the 2nd round. It wouldn't be a bad idea for Buffalo to take a DE in the 3rd round and maybe another one later in the draft. We could probably get a guy like Shaughnessy or Fili Moala in the 3rd round, 2 serviceable DE's who would also be proficient against the run.. Fili however would probably be much better as a rotational DT behind Kyle Williams but regardless we could plug him in at DE on obvious running downs.

[DraftBoy]

Why do you want to reach for a player with are 2nd pick when there are plenty of good players at the same position behind them?? My draft could easily become

1. Curry
2. Hamlin
3. OC AQ Shipley
4. DE Maurice Evans
5. TE Shawn Nelson

Then we a top OC, a DE with top 15 talent and in my opinion the most underrated TE in the draft. We fill all our glaring starting needs and I maximize value instead of reaching because of severity of need.

[Turbo.GUN.Hawk!]

I want us to do this in the draft:

1) Michael Johnson or Brian Orakpo - If any of these two are available we would not only be addressing our biggest need but we would also be getting the best player available.
2) Shawn Nelson - His value is increasing each day but I'm still confident he will be available. Again we would be addressing one of our biggest needs.
3) Antoine Caldwell - I'm not sure if he is going to make it this far but if he does then BINGO, our three biggest needs would be addressed in the draft.

[Marvelous]

DraftBoy, if we go LB, put me down for Laurinaitis! Dudes a beast. I see you rate him 15 picks lower...Curious, where you had Whitner ranked. 27th?

We could re-sign our LB's,,,but we can't re-sign JP..So looking at the draft, How is QB not a larger priority then QB? If it's BPA, then he-ll yeah. BUt if it's not then there's some serious denial about winning without a QB & without a stellar-D...
-Guess it comes down to who thinks Trent Edwards has the tools to groom & who thinks he career depth.. My view is he's not good enough to carry our team. This season was just horrible from the position. My (new)HD-DVR & all 16 recorded pretty much made me a Trent Hater.

-Curious--Is Trent's contract "ok" for him to be #2 for the remainder? I tend to avoid QB debates, but just because JP busted and Trent isn't teh answer Doesn't mean we give up seeking the next Jimbo. I assume many & esp you DrafBoy are annoyed -or- frustrated with mocking a QB right?

[PECKERWOOD]

Trade down in the 1st round and still get the upgrade that we need.

Rd1.) Ünger, C/OT
Rd2a.) Sintim, OLB
Rd2b.) Casey, TE
3rd.) Shaughnessy, DE
4th.) Hunt, DE
5th.) Walker, DE
6th.) Reynolds, C
7th.) Fiametta, FB

This is best case scenario, imo. Trading down makes so much sense for us. At center Ünger and Reynolds would replace Fowler and Preston in the lineup. Sintim is a playmaker who could add to our pass rush, I'm sure Fewell would love to send this guy into blitz the QB. Casey is an excellent option at TE, he is a valuable asset in the passing game. He has the speed to stretch the field, he runs nice routes and he has soft hands and big play capability. Shaughnessy, Hunt and Walker would immediately come into replace Kelsay, Copeland and Mace in the lineup. Fiametta would give us a true, powerful blocking fullback who is of the right size to do the job, no offense to Schouman but he needs some competition at H-back/FB.

[DraftBoy]

Trade down in the 1st round and still get the upgrade that we need.

Rd1.) Ünger, C/OT
Rd2a.) Sintim, OLB
Rd2b.) Casey, TE
3rd.) Shaughnessy, DE
4th.) Hunt, DE
5th.) Walker, DE
6th.) Reynolds, C
7th.) Fiametta, FB

This is best case scenario, imo. Trading down makes so much sense for us. At center Ünger and Reynolds would replace Fowler and Preston in the lineup. Sintim is a playmaker who could add to our pass rush, I'm sure Fewell would love to send this guy into blitz the QB. Casey is an excellent option at TE, he is a valuable asset in the passing game. He has the speed to stretch the field, he runs nice routes and he has soft hands and big play capability. Shaughnessy, Hunt and Walker would immediately come into replace Kelsay, Copeland and Mace in the lineup. Fiametta would give us a true, powerful blocking fullback who is of the right size to do the job, no offense to Schouman but he needs some competition at H-back/FB.

You leave a ton of holes stil on the roster though...OG, SS, FS, ILB, DT, WR. I dont like this draft very much at all to be honest. Also I think you are taking a guy like Shaughnessy too early.

[DraftBoy]

I want us to do this in the draft:

1) Michael Johnson or Brian Orakpo - If any of these two are available we would not only be addressing our biggest need but we would also be getting the best player available.
2) Shawn Nelson - His value is increasing each day but I'm still confident he will be available. Again we would be addressing one of our biggest needs.
3) Antoine Caldwell - I'm not sure if he is going to make it this far but if he does then BINGO, our three biggest needs would be addressed in the draft.

1. You'll have a shot at Johnson for sure, Orakpo I doubt it.
2. I love Shawn Nelson but Round 2 is too early for him, he's a 4th-5th rounder right now and while he's doing well at Senior Bowl practices he needs a good game to raise his stock a bunch.
3. He'll be available in Round 4, imo.

[DraftBoy]

DraftBoy, if we go LB, put me down for Laurinaitis! Dudes a beast. I see you rate him 15 picks lower...Curious, where you had Whitner ranked. 27th?

We could re-sign our LB's,,,but we can't re-sign JP..So looking at the draft, How is QB not a larger priority then QB? If it's BPA, then he-ll yeah. BUt if it's not then there's some serious denial about winning without a QB & without a stellar-D...
-Guess it comes down to who thinks Trent Edwards has the tools to groom & who thinks he career depth.. My view is he's not good enough to carry our team. This season was just horrible from the position. My (new)HD-DVR & all 16 recorded pretty much made me a Trent Hater.

-Curious--Is Trent's contract "ok" for him to be #2 for the remainder? I tend to avoid QB debates, but just because JP busted and Trent isn't teh answer Doesn't mean we give up seeking the next Jimbo. I assume many & esp you DrafBoy are annoyed -or- frustrated with mocking a QB right?

I dont like Laurinaitis, just not athletic enough for me, great instincts and pedigree but not worth the 11th pick.

I think QB is a big need, but not as an early pick, just as a pick to groom behind Trent next year for if he struggles again. Im not at all frustrated in mocking a QB Ive mocked one each of the last three years already so if they would just listen to me for once, I could stop doing it.

[PECKERWOOD]

I dont like Laurinaitis, just not athletic enough for me, great instincts and pedigree but not worth the 11th pick.

I think QB is a big need, but not as an early pick, just as a pick to groom behind Trent next year for if he struggles again. Im not at all frustrated in mocking a QB Ive mocked one each of the last three years already so if they would just listen to me for once, I could stop doing it.

We need a seasoned veteran for the QB backup job. J.T. O' Sullivan, Fitzpatrick, Frye or Simms. All those guys would probably perform much better than any rookie we could draft. Btw, what do you think of Sintim? I've heard some people say a rush LB in the 3-4, do you think that he would be a nice 4-3 OLB at the next level?

[jimbohastle51]

Trade down in the 1st round and still get the upgrade that we need.

Rd1.) Ünger, C/OT
Rd2a.) Sintim, OLB
Rd2b.) Casey, TE
3rd.) Shaughnessy, DE
4th.) Hunt, DE
5th.) Walker, DE
6th.) Reynolds, C
7th.) Fiametta, FB

This is best case scenario, imo. Trading down makes so much sense for us. At center Ünger and Reynolds would replace Fowler and Preston in the lineup. Sintim is a playmaker who could add to our pass rush, I'm sure Fewell would love to send this guy into blitz the QB. Casey is an excellent option at TE, he is a valuable asset in the passing game. He has the speed to stretch the field, he runs nice routes and he has soft hands and big play capability. Shaughnessy, Hunt and Walker would immediately come into replace Kelsay, Copeland and Mace in the lineup. Fiametta would give us a true, powerful blocking fullback who is of the right size to do the job, no offense to Schouman but he needs some competition at H-back/FB.

from what i have seen of unger at the senior bowl practices he is clearly the class of the C position but i think the highest he goes is mid 2nd. sintim is 3-4 LB that played for al groh's very successful virginia defense. alot of guys are really high on him as well as english from NIU. if you get a chance youtube brian cushing, i was not a big fan of his till i really started researching him, he would be a solid late 1st early second round pick for us if we trade down or trade up in the second for him, he is a smart %100 every play guy that just needs alittle more coaching.

[jimbohastle51]

I dont like Laurinaitis, just not athletic enough for me, great instincts and pedigree but not worth the 11th pick.

I think QB is a big need, but not as an early pick, just as a pick to groom behind Trent next year for if he struggles again. Im not at all frustrated in mocking a QB Ive mocked one each of the last three years already so if they would just listen to me for once, I could stop doing it.

he would be a really nice pick for new orleans if they dont resign vilma cause of his pedigree and leadership, that franchise could use him or maulaluga. another team that will be high on him is baltimore if bart scott leaves, with rex ryan gone they will probably go back to a 3-4 and he would be a nice middle backer in a 3-4 next to ray lewis (i am guess they will give ray whatever he wants to get him to resign).