Bills miss out on another one.

[ticatfan]

It's another textbook move, the type of signing that has become the defining way in which vice president of football operations Bill Parcells tries to turn around teams.

Whether or not Canadian Football League sackmaster Cameron Wake will make a successful transition into the NFL remains to be seen, but the Dolphins are the team wanting anxiously to give him his shot.

Wake, 25, a two-time CFL defensive player of the year with 39 sacks over the past two seasons, signed a four-year deal that includes nearly $1 million in guarantees. The overall deal is worth nearly $3.6 million.

Make no mistake: Miami isn't treating Wake as an experimental project -- but instead as a prospect it believes will be an impact player as a pass-rushing linebacker in the NFL. Wake will now have the chance to learn under current linebacker Joey Porter.

Wake is 6-3, 240 pounds, the type of big-bodied, workout junkie that Parcells and general manager Jeff Ireland crave. He played his two seasons in the CFL with the British Columbia Lions.

The Dolphins also signed one of Wake's college teammates from Penn State on Monday. Safety Ethan Kilmer, who has played with the Bengals for the past three seasons, also agreed to a free-agent contract, the team announced.

Kilmer is viewed as a special-teams prospect. But he also did make an impact on defense for the Bengals this season when he returned an interception (thrown by Drew Brees) 52 yards for a touchdown.

Kilmer and Wake played together at Penn State on the same defense in 2004.

[justasportsfan]

pffft. We have Dicks favorite lb, Ellison.

[Pinkerton Security]

It's another textbook move, the type of signing that has become the defining way in which vice president of football operations Bill Parcells tries to turn around teams.

Whether or not Canadian Football League sackmaster Cameron Wake will make a successful transition into the NFL remains to be seen, but the Dolphins are the team wanting anxiously to give him his shot.

Wake, 25, a two-time CFL defensive player of the year with 39 sacks over the past two seasons, signed a four-year deal that includes nearly $1 million in guarantees. The overall deal is worth nearly $3.6 million.

Make no mistake: Miami isn't treating Wake as an experimental project -- but instead as a prospect it believes will be an impact player as a pass-rushing linebacker in the NFL. Wake will now have the chance to learn under current linebacker Joey Porter.

Wake is 6-3, 240 pounds, the type of big-bodied, workout junkie that Parcells and general manager Jeff Ireland crave. He played his two seasons in the CFL with the British Columbia Lions.

The Dolphins also signed one of Wake's college teammates from Penn State on Monday. Safety Ethan Kilmer, who has played with the Bengals for the past three seasons, also agreed to a free-agent contract, the team announced.

Kilmer is viewed as a special-teams prospect. But he also did make an impact on defense for the Bengals this season when he returned an interception (thrown by Drew Brees) 52 yards for a touchdown.

Kilmer and Wake played together at Penn State on the same defense in 2004.

damnit. now watch him become a Bill-killer.

[ticatfan]

This guy is the real deal, I think he will make a impact from day one. He is a beast.

[justasportsfan]

This guy is the real deal, I think he will make a impact from day one. He is a beast.


whatever. :rolleyes: Did you see who the bills signed?

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/bills-sign-seven-future-free-agents/6421486a-7f62-48cd-b389-022addd9603b

SB here we come!!!

[billogic99]

Regardless if the guy is a success in this league, BP is the kinda guy that knows what works in the 3-4 defense. The Jets sign Rex Ryan that guy knows what makes the 3-4 defense dominant and of course BB knows how to succeed with the 3-4 defense. Anyone see a theme here?? I sure would love to see a front 7 in Buffalo with a player that weights no less than 260.

[justasportsfan]

Anyone see a theme here?? .


yeah, we'll be the only team to never win a sb.

[Patrick76777]

We put feelers out along with a bunch of teams. He chose miami.

[bigbub2352]

We r to cheap to give him a contract like that, that money is reserved for chris ellis and copeland bryan they are terrors on the QB were u guys been

[DraftBoy]

3-4 OLB, I dont know that he would want to bulk up to play DE in our system.

[lukabrossi]

that was a major move by Miami.......what moves are we making these days? Besides my bowel movements whenever i think of the Bills and Jauron.

[Saratoga Slim]

3-4 OLB, I dont know that he would want to bulk up to play DE in our system.

......apparently a fact that is easily overlooked by some around here.

Like it or not, we don't run a 3-4, and our 4-3 system requires our LBs to have some coverage ability. I don't know much about this fella, but I'm guessing he's a smallish pass rusher, not a guy we want covering TEs in space.

[yordad]

......apparently a fact that is easily overlooked by some around here.

Like it or not, we don't run a 3-4, and our 4-3 system requires our LBs to have some coverage ability. I don't know much about this fella, but I'm guessing he's a smallish pass rusher, not a guy we want covering TEs in space.He is only 3 BigMacs lighter then Schobel, 3lbs.

[billogic99]

......apparently a fact that is easily overlooked by some around here.

Like it or not, we don't run a 3-4, and our 4-3 system requires our LBs to have some coverage ability. I don't know much about this fella, but I'm guessing he's a smallish pass rusher, not a guy we want covering TEs in space.

6'3 260 smallish? He's bigger than our DE's. My guess is he'll be a pass rush specialist for the Dolphins, it's what they ask of their OLB's in the 3-4, sometimes they have their had in the dirt sometimes they don't. As for this team, if he wasn't cappable of playing a specific position for this team, why would we have shown interest? Obviously the coaching staff thinks he has some value to the system we run.

[LtFinFan66]

We put feelers out along with a bunch of teams. He chose miami.did you guys work him out? I know the Fins and some others did

[Mike13]

Its like another draft pick for us.

[justasportsfan]

did you guys work him out? I know the Fins and some others did


we were busy signing these probowlers.


whatever. :rolleyes: Did you see who the bills signed?

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/bills-sign-seven-future-free-agents/6421486a-7f62-48cd-b389-022addd9603b

SB here we come!!!

[ticatfan]

You would think of all teams buffalo would be all over the CFL looking for players. Being this close to canada ,you would think they would have the heads up on some of these guys and get a 1st jump on them.

[justasportsfan]

You would think of all teams buffalo would be all over the CFL looking for players. Being this close to canada ,you would think they would have the heads up on some of these guys and get a 1st jump on them.
whe have enough problems trying to put our own players in a position to succeed. Keeping the same coaching staff means we're not trying to get better. WE're moving sideways and depending on how the other teams in the AFCE improve in the offseason, we may be moving backwards.

[Pinkerton Security]

that was a major move by Miami.......what moves are we making these days? Besides my bowel movements whenever i think of the Bills and Jauron.

dude....hes an intriguing prospect, but dont make it seem like Miami just signed Bruce Smith in his prime or anything, just because it will make the Bills look worse. The bills dont need any help with that.

[madness]

3-4 OLB, I dont know that he would want to bulk up to play DE in our system.

I think it was also reported that he narrowed his choice down to Miami and another team that runs the 3-4.

[billogic99]

I think it was also reported that he narrowed his choice down to Miami and another team that runs the 3-4.

I heard it was between Miami and Indy.

[billogic99]

dude....hes an intriguing prospect, but dont make it seem like Miami just signed Bruce Smith in his prime or anything, just because it will make the Bills look worse. The bills dont need any help with that.

I think he was a smart moven given the defense they run and knowing how much BP likes big strong guy's playing LB you have to think it's the type of move that will be successful. I siad before it really doesn't matter who the Bills add at this point till they upgrade the Owner/FO and Coaching staff, the talent level is irrelevant.

[X-Era]

Sweet, almost a full thread of people who missed my previous post on this.

[billogic99]

Sweet, almost a full thread of people who missed my previous post on this.

We had a meeting......no one likes you, sorry.

[X-Era]

We had a meeting......no one likes you, sorry.

Now Ill never be a BillsZone model...

:rofl:

[billogic99]

Now Ill never be a BillsZone model...

:rofl:

:rofl:

[Mike13]

I heard it was between Miami and Indy.

Colts run a Cover 2 dont they?

[Turbo.GUN.Hawk!]

^ Tampa 2 to be precise.

[Goobylal]

Can anyone name the last CFL "star" to do anything in the NFL? That's what I thought.

[dplus47]

Can anyone name the last CFL "star" to do anything in the NFL? That's what I thought.

doug flutie? warren moon? is this a trick question?

the phins had good luck signing a CFL offensive lineman named mark dixon, who became the best lineman on their (bad) offensive line for a few years.

this is not an earth-shattering move, but he comes pretty cheap and has a lot of physical skill. there's not much downside to giving him a try.

[lukabrossi]

Can anyone name the last CFL "star" to do anything in the NFL? That's what I thought.

Jeff Garcia.

[billogic99]

Colts run a Cover 2 dont they?

So do the Bills. I didn't say I heard it came down to two teams that run a 3-4, I just said I heard it was between Miami and Indy. Maybe they were the two teams offering the most money.

[billogic99]

Can anyone name the last CFL "star" to do anything in the NFL? That's what I thought.

I don't know how many were "stars" in the CFL, but here are a few,

Joe Kapp (BC + Minny)
Dieter Brock (Wpg + LA Rams)
Mervyn Fernandez (BC + LA Raiders)
Joe Theismann (Tor + Wash)
Jeff Garcia (Calg + SF)
Mack Herron (Wpg + NE)
Sean Salisbury (Wpg + ...well, OK, career backup in NFL)
Tom Cousineau (Mtl + Clev...although maybe marginal success in NFL)
Terry Metcalf (Tor + Clev...well before that StL Cards)
Rocket Ismail (Tor + a few NFL teams where he was up and down)

Coaches (added bonus section)
Bud Grant (Wpg + Minny)
Marv Levy (Mtl + Buff)
Tom Clements (QB with Ott + QB coach with Buff)

[lukabrossi]

Can anyone name the last CFL "star" to do anything in the NFL? That's what I thought.


Please refrain from personal attacks.

-MBB

[madness]

I heard it was between Miami and Indy.

That's right, Indy was the other team. My mistake.

[Jan Reimers]

If you watch the CFL, you will find the game totally different from the NFL. Wake's success up there in a wide open, 3 down game, against inferior O-lines, will probably not be duplicated down here.

[billogic99]

If you watch the CFL, you will find the game totally different from the NFL. Wake's success up there in a wide open, 3 down game, against inferior O-lines, will probably not be duplicated down here.

How is the CFL different from the NCAA? It's a different game in many respects and it's loaded with players that will NEVER be NFL type talent. Yet we sit on the edge of our seats every year waiting for the next gem to come along. The players we're waiting for weren't linning up against all pro's every week either. The Bottom line is can the player play, they either can or they can't. Playing in College, the CFL, NFL Europe, the Arena league or USFL has no relevance on a players ability to play. To believe big time players can't come from those other leagues is simply silly.

[northernbillfan]

If you watch the CFL, you will find the game totally different from the NFL. Wake's success up there in a wide open, 3 down game, against inferior O-lines, will probably not be duplicated down here.There is a huge difference in being in NFL shape and CFL shape. You have a shorter play clock and you have less downs. It is a faster game and the guys don't get time to rest between plays.

I heard a guy fro the Rams who was picked up by the Eskimos here in Edmonton talk about teh differences between CFL shape and NFL shape and he said the players in the CFL are at a different level than those fo teh NFL due to the quicker turn around .

To call anyone in the CFL inferior compared to the NFL is an injustice to them. Just because they are bigger does not mean they are better.

[chernobylwraiths]

6'3 260 smallish? He's bigger than our DE's. My guess is he'll be a pass rush specialist for the Dolphins, it's what they ask of their OLB's in the 3-4, sometimes they have their had in the dirt sometimes they don't. As for this team, if he wasn't cappable of playing a specific position for this team, why would we have shown interest? Obviously the coaching staff thinks he has some value to the system we run.

article said 6-3, 240 lbs

[chernobylwraiths]

There is a huge difference in being in NFL shape and CFL shape. You have a shorter play clock and you have less downs. It is a faster game and the guys don't get time to rest between plays.

I heard a guy fro the Rams who was picked up by the Eskimos here in Edmonton talk about teh differences between CFL shape and NFL shape and he said the players in the CFL are at a different level than those fo teh NFL due to the quicker turn around .

To call anyone in the CFL inferior compared to the NFL is an injustice to them. Just because they are bigger does not mean they are better.

Regardless, if they were better, for the most part, they would be in the NFL.

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[billogic99]

article said 6-3, 240 lbs I think he was 240 coming out of college. That was 2 years ago.

[billogic99]

Regardless, if they were better, for the most part, they would be in the NFL.

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Wake was drafted by the Giants.

[ticatfan]

Regardless, if they were better, for the most part, they would be in the NFL.

:$::$::$::$::$::$::$::$::$:Being a bigger field, players are smaller, alot are good enough to play in the NFL, but size keeps them out. Just like your big O-Linemen would die on the canadian field. And of course if you are a NFL GM does not mean you are god and alot of prospects get missed. One reason the NFL and CFL will never meet again because the NFL has to much to lose, by losing or winning a close game against a teams who's salary cap is at 4.2 million. And the notion that once the NFL rosters are full ,that there is no one else left that can play the game, is silly.

[Goobylal]

I don't know how many were "stars" in the CFL, but here are a few,

Joe Kapp (BC + Minny)
Dieter Brock (Wpg + LA Rams)
Mervyn Fernandez (BC + LA Raiders)
Joe Theismann (Tor + Wash)
Jeff Garcia (Calg + SF)
Mack Herron (Wpg + NE)
Sean Salisbury (Wpg + ...well, OK, career backup in NFL)
Tom Cousineau (Mtl + Clev...although maybe marginal success in NFL)
Terry Metcalf (Tor + Clev...well before that StL Cards)
Rocket Ismail (Tor + a few NFL teams where he was up and down)

Coaches (added bonus section)
Bud Grant (Wpg + Minny)
Marv Levy (Mtl + Buff)
Tom Clements (QB with Ott + QB coach with Buff)
Good list. Salients points are that there weren't a whole lot who a) made it in TO the NFL, and b) did well in the NFL. And if I'm not mistaken, they're all offensive players.

[ticatfan]

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2009/1/16/725395/arizona-cardinals-taking-a