Value for our 11th pick

[Yasgur's Farm]

Here's who I want in order of preference at #11...

WR Michael Crabtree - I know, I know... He won't be there... But if he is we'd be insane to pass on him.

OLB Aaron Curry - The perfect example of need vs value.

DT BJ Raji - Not the DE or OLB our D really needs, but good enough to make the players we have better.

OT's Eugene Monroe, Andre Smith, or Jason Smith - YES! Before DE. We can't pass on this value here... Especially when we consider where Jason Peters spends training camp.

DE's Everette Brown or Brian Orakpo - I have them higher if the Bills ran a 3 - 4 D. However... I think they would both help our D THIS SEASON. Who knows... Maybe we could run that "creep" D a lot.

OT Michael Oher - See above OT's.

OLB Brian Cushing - I hope it doesn't come to this but I need to name 11.

TE Brandon Pettigrew - This would be our absolute last resort.

[jimbohastle51]

Re: Value for our 11th pick

Draft Pick Value Chart
Round 1		Round 2		Round 3		Round 4		Round 5		Round 6		Round 7		Other
1	3000	33	580	65	265	97	112	129	43	161	28	193	15.2	225	2.9
2	2600	34	560	66	260	98	108	130	42	162	27.6	194	14.8	226	2.8
3	2200	35	550	67	255	99	104	131	41	163	27.2	195	14.4	227	2.7
4	1800	36	540	68	250	100	100	132	40	164	26.8	196	14	228	2.6
5	1700	37	530	69	245	101	96	133	39.5	165	26.4	197	13.6	229	2.5
6	1600	38	520	70	240	102	92	134	39	166	26	198	13.2	230	2.4
7	1500	39	510	71	235	103	88	135	38.5	167	25.6	199	12.8	231	2.3
8	1400	40	500	72	230	104	86	136	38	168	25.2	200	12.4	232	2.2
9	1350	41	490	73	225	105	84	137	37.5	169	24.8	201	12	233	2.1
10	1300	42	480	74	220	106	82	138	37	170	24.4	202	11.6	234	2
11	1250	43	470	75	215	107	80	139	36.5	171	24	203	11.2	235	1.9
12	1200	44	460	76	210	108	78	140	36	172	23.6	204	10.8	236	1.8
13	1150	45	450	77	205	109	76	141	35.5	173	23.2	205	10.4	237	1.7
14	1100	46	440	78	200	110	74	142	35	174	22.8	206	10	238	1.6
15	1050	47	430	79	195	111	72	143	34.5	175	22.4	207	9.6	239	1.5
16	1000	48	420	80	190	112	70	144	34	176	22	208	9.2	240	1.4
17	950	49	410	81	185	113	68	145	33.5	177	21.6	209	8.8	241	1.3
18	900	50	400	82	180	114	66	146	33	178	21.2	210	8.4	242	1.2
19	875	51	390	83	175	115	64	147	32.6	179	20.8	211	8	243	1.1
20	850	52	380	84	170	116	62	148	32.2	180	20.4	212	7.6	244	1
21	800	53	370	85	165	117	60	149	31.8	181	20	213	7.2	245	0.95
22	780	54	360	86	160	118	58	150	31.4	182	19.6	214	6.8	246	0.9
23	760	55	350	87	155	119	56	151	31	183	19.2	215	6.4	247	0.85
24	740	56	340	88	150	120	54	152	31.8	184	18.8	216	6	248	0.8
25	720	57	330	89	145	121	52	153	31.2	185	18.4	217	5.6	249	0.75
26	700	58	320	90	140	122	50	154	30.8	186	18	218	5.2	250	0.7
27	680	59	310	91	136	123	49	155	30.4	187	17.6	219	4.8	251	0.65
28	660	60	300	92	132	124	48	156	30	188	17.2	220	4.4	252	0.6
29	640	61	292	93	128	125	47	157	29.6	189	16.8	221	4	253	0.55
30	620	62	284	94	124	126	46	158	29.2	190	16.4	222	3.6	254	0.5
31	600	63	276	95	120	127	45	159	28.8	191	16	223	3.3	255	0.45
32	590	64	270	96	116	128	44	160	28.4	192	15.6	224	3	256	0.4

[jimbohastle51]

Re: Value for our 11th pick

wasnt sure if anyone else had this, but it is a copy of the value chart and hope much value each pick has based on a points system (it is how teams decide to trade picks for picks and so on) according to the chart our 1st pick is worth 1250 points.

[jimbohastle51]

Re: Value for our 11th pick

should help people see how much it would or wouldnt take to trade up or down to find our player or the player that you want.

[Mahdi]

Re: Value for our 11th pick

Here's who I want in order of preference at #11...

WR Michael Crabtree - I know, I know... He won't be there... But if he is we'd be insane to pass on him.

OLB Aaron Curry - The perfect example of need vs value.

DT BJ Raji - Not the DE or OLB our D really needs, but good enough to make the players we have better.

OT's Eugene Monroe, Andre Smith, or Jason Smith - YES! Before DE. We can't pass on this value here... Especially when we consider where Jason Peters spends training camp.

DE's Everette Brown or Brian Orakpo - I have them higher if the Bills ran a 3 - 4 D. However... I think they would both help our D THIS SEASON. Who knows... Maybe we could run that "creep" D a lot.

OT Michael Oher - See above OT's.

OLB Brian Cushing - I hope it doesn't come to this but I need to name 11.

TE Brandon Pettigrew - This would be our absolute last resort.

Were you not watching the Bills this season? Do you really think that Aaron Curry will help this defense when he is covering for 5 seconds every snap?

I dont care if we have Derrick Brooks, Ray Lewis and Keith Bullock as our LBs, if you cant get to the QB it doesnt make a difference who you have in the back 7.

OT before DE? how did you come to this conclusion? We already have one of the best OT tandems in the NFL and both are still young. That would be a horrible move.

DE MUST be the first pick in this draft. Orakpo, Brown, Michael Johnson.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Re: Value for our 11th pick

wasnt sure if anyone else had this, but it is a copy of the value chart and hope much value each pick has based on a points system (it is how teams decide to trade picks for picks and so on) according to the chart our 1st pick is worth 1250 points.

read the thread before you post

[jimbohastle51]

Re: Value for our 11th pick

i did read your thread, its "value for our 11th pick" and i posted the value chart which states the value of our eleveth pick, and what it would take to move up or down to get one of the players you suggested if we decide to move in the 1st round.

[PECKERWOOD]

Re: Value for our 11th pick

I want B.J. Raji and Michael Johnson -- get them both, GET R DONE!

[sting32]

Re: Value for our 11th pick

I agree with draz, he's always on point. I'd like curry or crabtree.

[jimbohastle51]

Re: Value for our 11th pick

i dont think there is a team in the draft that doesnt want crabtree, he is the calvin johnson of this draft (maybe not the first pick, but the best talent), if he fell to the bills they would have to take him if only for trade bait they'd have to take him, but i dont he him getting out of the top 5. seattle is on him like no other especially after last season, it seemed like every free agent they brought in to replace there starters that were already on IR went on IR LOL!

[Yasgur's Farm]

Re: Value for our 11th pick

i did read your thread, its "value for our 11th pick" and i posted the value chart which states the value of our eleveth pick, and what it would take to move up or down to get one of the players you suggested if we decide to move in the 1st round.

Here's who I want in order of preference at #11...

Nothing to do with value chart... Same as McDonald's value menu.

I guarantee 1 of these players will be there at #11. There's no moving up or down.

[Jan Reimers]

Re: Value for our 11th pick

TE Brandon Pettigrew - This would be our absolute last resort.

Not according to that self-appointed guru, Mel Kiper, Jr. But I agree, draz, we have far greater needs than TE (particularly with Fine showing some potential.) I really can't see us drafting a TE at 11, unless he's an absolute superstar, which Pettigrew is not.

[DraftBoy]

Re: Value for our 11th pick

Were you not watching the Bills this season? Do you really think that Aaron Curry will help this defense when he is covering for 5 seconds every snap?

I dont care if we have Derrick Brooks, Ray Lewis and Keith Bullock as our LBs, if you cant get to the QB it doesnt make a difference who you have in the back 7.

OT before DE? how did you come to this conclusion? We already have one of the best OT tandems in the NFL and both are still young. That would be a horrible move.

DE MUST be the first pick in this draft. Orakpo, Brown, Michael Johnson.

Just taking a DE does not mean the pass rush is fixed. According to numerous scouts now (Mayock being the lead guy) none of the guys you listed will be 4-3 DE's in the NFL. Yet you still want us to take them??

[Mahdi]

Re: Value for our 11th pick

Just taking a DE does not mean the pass rush is fixed. According to numerous scouts now (Mayock being the lead guy) none of the guys you listed will be 4-3 DE's in the NFL. Yet you still want us to take them??

Just because Mayock says they are projected to be 3-4 OLBs it doesnt mean he is saying they cant play as DEs in a 4-3. I remember when Gaines Adams came out Mayock also said that he projects as a 3-4 OLB and that a 3-4 team should take him, well he is turning out to be a pretty nice player for the Bucs who have one of the best defenses in the NFL.

Besides, Schobel is 6'4 245, Robert Mathis is 6'2 245, John Abraham is 6'4 263, Aaron Kampman is 6'3 265, Leonard Little is 6'3 263, Osi Umenyiora is 6'3 261....

Brian Orakpo is 6'4 260, Brown is 6'4 255 and Michael Johnson is 6'7 260...

The bottom line with all these guys is that they are all roughly the same size and they are all pass rushers which we desperately need... Most of the guys listed here who are already in the NFL could have been successful as 3-4 OLBs easily.

If we take one of those 3 DEs they will continue to play with their hand in the ground as they did in college and if they get drafted by a 3-4 team they will have to adjust to playing in coverage and in space.

Also, most college players add between 5-10 pounds when they get to the NFL. We need a pass rusher and any one of those 3 has the athletic and playmaking ability to do that in any scheme.

Lastly, cover 2 DEs are typically lighter and faster than the average DE so a 6'4 260 pounder like Orakpo is an excellent fit, not to mention the guy is extremely powerful and plays the run well.

[DraftBoy]

Re: Value for our 11th pick

Just because Mayock says they are projected to be 3-4 OLBs it doesnt mean he is saying they cant play as DEs in a 4-3. I remember when Gaines Adams came out Mayock also said that he projects as a 3-4 OLB and that a 3-4 team should take him, well he is turning out to be a pretty nice player for the Bucs who have one of the best defenses in the NFL.

Besides, Schobel is 6'4 245, Robert Mathis is 6'2 245, John Abraham is 6'4 263, Aaron Kampman is 6'3 265, Leonard Little is 6'3 263, Osi Umenyiora is 6'3 261....

Brian Orakpo is 6'4 260, Brown is 6'4 255 and Michael Johnson is 6'7 260...

The bottom line with all these guys is that they are all roughly the same size and they are all pass rushers which we desperately need... Most of the guys listed here who are already in the NFL could have been successful as 3-4 OLBs easily.

If we take one of those 3 DEs they will continue to play with their hand in the ground as they did in college and if they get drafted by a 3-4 team they will have to adjust to playing in coverage and in space.

Also, most college players add between 5-10 pounds when they get to the NFL. We need a pass rusher and any one of those 3 has the athletic and playmaking ability to do that in any scheme.

Lastly, cover 2 DEs are typically lighter and faster than the average DE so a 6'4 260 pounder like Orakpo is an excellent fit, not to mention the guy is extremely powerful and plays the run well.

Your weights are based off of what? Nobody has any idea right now till the combine next month, so we can hold off all comparisons till then.

Also aren't er trying to get away from the pass rush specialist mold that Abraham and Schobel represent and trying to get a more complete DE. All three DE's you mentioned will not be impact players next season, they will not solve our pass rush woes. They have too many holes in their current games to be every down DE's and make an impact.