Inlight of Dockery's release how does John Guy still have a job....

[bigbub2352]

With Derrick Dockery joing the long line of john Guy failures
please feel free to name a few
but this guy has given boat loads of money to undeserving players left and right and us the fans suffer thru watching these bums laugh all the way to the bank
Guy has defintly missed more than he has hit, please name me one impact free agent he signed beside TKO that helped us bigtime?
Some mite say London Fletcher, and....

[THATHURMANATOR]

London Fletcher.

I thought it was John Guy?

[Bills Juggernaut]

Ahhh, let's not forget the great Marv on this one also.

[Ebenezer]

With Derrick Dockery joing the long line of Ron Guy failures
please feel free to name a few
but this guy has given boat loads of money to undeserving players left and right and us the fans suffer thru watching these bums laugh all the way to the bank
Guy has defintly missed more than he has hit, please name me one impact free agent he signed beside TKO that helped us bigtime?
Some mite say London Fletcher, and....
blame RW...you know...the owner who just got elected to the HoF....:rolleyes:

[bigbub2352]

London Fletcher.

I thought it was John Guy?
He is, i was saying some mite say that was a good signing for us
i for one was tired of the tackles 5 yards down feild and then a celebration following
but john Guy has really **** the bed here, how he still has a job is very very interesting to me
if u start naming the guys he has signed on our roster it is bad
Parrish
Kelsay
Denney
gave decent money to butler and williams

[bigbub2352]

blame RW...you know...the owner who just got elected to the HoF....:rolleyes:
trust me it all starts with him
but he pays this loser to do it for him?
how sad is that

[bigbub2352]

Ahhh, let's not forget the great Marv on this one also.
Marv was a joke and i truly believe he was brought in to sell tickets nothing more

[THATHURMANATOR]

He is, i was saying some mite say that was a good signing for us
i for one was tired of the tackles 5 yards down feild and then a celebration following
but Ron Guy has really **** the bed here, how he still has a job is very very interesting to me
if u start naming the guys he has signed on our roster it is bad
Parrish
Kelsay
Denney
gave decent money to butler and williams
Its John Guy man.

[Pinkerton Security]

Its John Guy man.

but its all Ron's fault.

[Tatonka]

look.. this is the thing.. dockery did have a great season the year before we signed him with the skins.. that is a fact.. he had always been solid, just not spectactular. and he was not awful with us his first year. for whatever reason, he was terrible last year, and the bills took the steps to cut their losses asap.

i dont think there is a need to blame anyone here.

[Ebenezer]

look.. this is the thing.. dockery did have a great season the year before we signed him with the skins.. that is a fact.. he had always been solid, just not spectactular. and he was not awful with us his first year. for whatever reason, he was terrible last year, and the bills took the steps to cut their losses asap.

i dont think there is a need to blame anyone here.
I blame that stellar HoFer RW.

[bigbub2352]

look.. this is the thing.. dockery did have a great season the year before we signed him with the skins.. that is a fact.. he had always been solid, just not spectactular. and he was not awful with us his first year. for whatever reason, he was terrible last year, and the bills took the steps to cut their losses asap.

i dont think there is a need to blame anyone here.
really u serious?
so not making the playoffs for 10 yrs and john guy being our director of player personnel (incharge of free agents) isnt a good person to blame beside RW come on
we have signed nothing but lemons
and Dockery his first year was avg at best u make 7mil a season u need to be dominant go watch how Steve Hutchinson plays football
john Guy is a major major reason we have failed here, he not be at the top but he is 3 down from it and his job solely is free agents and depth what we dont have either depth
Sorry dude johnn Guy is a loser just like Dockery was and many others

[bigbub2352]

sorry John Guy, lol ROn Guy is a client of mine at work lol
can mod fix title

thanks mods

[bigbub2352]

the sole blame lies with Ralph Wilson for everything, but he doesnt have much to do with day to day operations anymore especially with TOm D, and his staff and john guy is in charge of Free agents
so blame who u want but John needs to go his evaluation process is awful

[trapezeus]

Great post BB. The scouting department has stayed untouched until this year since 2000. Biggest draft busts on their watch, bad free agency pick ups, etc. They need some real change in their group and get real talent evaluators who knkow what they are doing.

[bigbub2352]

Great post BB. The scouting department has stayed untouched until this year since 2000. Biggest draft busts on their watch, bad free agency pick ups, etc. They need some real change in their group and get real talent evaluators who knkow what they are doing.

It all starts at the top doesnt it
how many bad draft picks, and horrible free agents does it take not to make the playoffs?
10 yrs and still same old ****....

[Tatonka]

i am just saying that dockery had been solid to very good while in washington. he finished it out with his best year and was excellent just before becoming a free agent. he was the right age and the right type of character. so i cant see how they were supposed to know that he was going to turn into a below average player in his 2nd year with us. that is all i am saying.

did you know it was going to happen? can you predict injuries as well?

[bigbub2352]

i am just saying that dockery had been solid to very good while in washington. he finished it out with his best year and was excellent just before becoming a free agent. he was the right age and the right type of character. so i cant see how they were supposed to know that he was going to turn into a below average player in his 2nd year with us. that is all i am saying.

did you know it was going to happen? can you predict injuries as well?
No i cant predict anything just like u cant, but i remember when we did sign him everyone including washington redskins message boards and NFL analyst said the exact same thing, Slightly above average guard that we way over paid for, and he is not worth the money, and i remember many posters on here doin the same thing
this isnt just about Dockery it is about John Guy and his horrible decisions thus far since ebing hired by TOmD to be the director of Pro Player Personel for the Bills
Dockery played well his last year in Wash cause it was a contract yr and yes we were fooled by him, just what the NFL has become all about the money
not about the game, so he got his 18.5 guranteed money and decided not to take his lunch pale to work anymore
which is very typical of many players in the NFL these days
but it all comes down to John Guy and the fact that he has struck out way more than he has hit in Free Agency hence no playoffs for 10 yrs

[justasportsfan]

Watch Dockery move to another team and end up playing like he did when he was with Washington. It's easy to blame JOhn Guy but it seems to me everyone on this team has regressed. Yeah even Moorman. Can't blame John Guy for that.

[trapezeus]

Dockery is a good guy and an average player. but this isn't their only miss. Kawika is looking weak right now. Poz is struggling. Schobel wasn't worth the contract, kelsay wasn't either. Parrish didn't need to be resigned. No TE in years. Rotating QB position despite money (bledsoe) and picks (Losman) thrown away. Missing on a top 5 pick. Taking whitner who would have ben around. Missing on McCargo.

One question remains is "are these players a function of piss poor coaching or are they just bad players?" very few of the guys who left us seem to go on to anything better, so it seems like they were just scrubs. But on the other hand we have jim leonards, willis Mcgahees, etc that leave and do better statistically.

So it's a pretty awful operation that is being run at OBD.

[justasportsfan]

i am just saying that dockery had been solid to very good while in washington. he finished it out with his best year and was excellent just before becoming a free agent. he was the right age and the right type of character. so i cant see how they were supposed to know that he was going to turn into a below average player in his 2nd year with us. that is all i am saying.

did you know it was going to happen? can you predict injuries as well?
and some players we've cut actually moved on to play better elsewhere. Maybe it's not the talent but the coaching. If John Guy is also in charge of hiring GUys like Mularkey, GW and Jauron, then he should get fired.

[DraftBoy]

Dockery is a good guy and an average player. but this isn't their only miss. Kawika is looking weak right now. Poz is struggling. Schobel wasn't worth the contract, kelsay wasn't either. Parrish didn't need to be resigned. No TE in years. Rotating QB position despite money (bledsoe) and picks (Losman) thrown away. Missing on a top 5 pick. Taking whitner who would have ben around. Missing on McCargo.

One question remains is "are these players a function of piss poor coaching or are they just bad players?" very few of the guys who left us seem to go on to anything better, so it seems like they were just scrubs. But on the other hand we have jim leonards, willis Mcgahees, etc that leave and do better statistically.

So it's a pretty awful operation that is being run at OBD.


Nail on the head here. Until we get some true talent evaluators in here we will never come close again to the Super Bowl. We have had miss after miss after miss so far, its ridiculous!

[GreedoII]

Levy has a hand in this too. He obviously was way in over his head.

[ddaryl]

***** all you want but our OL was much much better after we brought in Dockery and walker and finished it off by moving Peters to LT.

Before Dockery and Walker our OL was in much worse shape.

Serioulsy that is how terrible our OL was that we were desperate enough to over pay a guy like Dockery and it did make us better

[chernobylwraiths]

I blame that stellar HoFer RW.

Man, you sound like a broken record. You keep saying that he shouldn't meddle but when he has his guys (no pun) pick the players they want it is all his fault. This is not only stupid, it is childish.

[justasportsfan]

***** all you want but our OL was much much better after we brought in Dockery and walker and finished it off by moving Peters to LT.

Before Dockery and Walker our OL was in much worse shape.

Serioulsy that is how terrible our OL was that we were desperate enough to over pay a guy like Dockery and it did make us better


we bring in talent that was at least solid with the team they were with which is why we brought them in and paid so much to begin with . Then they become turds while playing with the bills.

Even our own homegrown talent has turned into turds or at least reggressed. Who's to say history won't repeat itself or that the same thing won't happen to any of the FA's we bring in?

[chernobylwraiths]

we bring in talent that was at least solid with the team they were with which is why we brought them in and paid so much to begin with . Then they become turds while playing with the bills.

Even our own homegrown talent has turned into turds or at least reggressed. Who's to say history won't repeat itself or that the same thing won't happen to any of the FA's we bring in?

Coaching HAS been less than stellar. Best coach we had on our roster recently we let go back to Pittsburgh.

[Jeff1220]

I agree with Tatonka on the Dockery issue. Not saying that Guy doesn't deserve the ax, because his track record is terrible, and he does deserve to go.
But the Dockery signing is not the main issue. Dockery was a highly coveted OG, with a pretty darn solid track record as a FA. Nobody expected him to regress the way he did. At the time, most of us were on this board singing praises for landing him.

[justasportsfan]

Coaching HAS been less than stellar. Best coach we had on our roster recently we let go back to Pittsburgh.


The signs are pointing towards bringing in talent that could hopefully offset this coaching staff. We should call ourselves Buffalo redskins.

[bigbub2352]

this thread isnt just about dockery it is about the long list of free agents that we have missed on royal and dockery at the top now

[chernobylwraiths]

The signs are pointing towards bringing in talent that could hopefully offset this coaching staff. We should call ourselves Buffalo redskins.

I don't think the clones of Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, Bruce Smith, Ronnie Lott and Joe Montana could help this team. I didn't add a WR since we already have Lee. :D

[Ickybaluky]

Its John Guy man.

... I don't know. Ron Guy would be such a better porn name. His nickname could be Long Ron.