My "official" Friday FA Update Thread (10am-5pm)

[patmoran2006]

For today only, between 10am-5pm. Im going to have this thread here, providing updates that involve the Bills and potential transactions. I’m the research guy for some AP-affiliated outlets—meaning my only real job is to track down info by either phone or the internet and send it to the guy (next to the guy) who ultimately posts what you read everywhere else.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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I’ll try to get some stuff on here before it gets anywhere else! (no promises though).

Make this a no-fight thread please! Want to try to keep all updates on this thread today.
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10:05 AM- Linebacker Jamie Winborn is currently visiting.. Reports that he already visited yesterday were inaccurate.<o:p></o:p>

[X-Era]

No they werent Pat... unless BB.com doesnt know its own news.

[BuffaloBillsStampede]

dont know much about him he any good?

[The King]

I like Winborn a lot. I saw him play a bunch when he was in SF.

[X-Era]

Ive always been a Winborn fan.

Hes a quality signing (if it happens).

He will, at the very least, give us quality depth

[patmoran2006]

10:20AM: Im told Bills linebacker Matt Shelton coach is looking over tape of Indy FA LB Freddy Keiaho, and the team may bring him in for a visit this weekend.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

Also, it was offensive line coach Sean Kugler that was most influential on Derrick Dockery getting released.<o:p></o:p>

[patmoran2006]

10:25- per Adam Schefter, the Patriots have signed TE Chris Baker (jets)

[The Spaz]

The Patriots love TE's.

[X-Era]

I dont understand the interest in Kevin Jones.

First off, this is NOT the same as any other position. We dont have any issues with depth. I like adding a 3rd guy but its not needed

Secondly, Jones was so damn good for the Lions who absolutely STINK that they went and got Rudi?

What the hell does that say about Jones?

[Jan Reimers]

The Patriots love TE's.
We do, too. Just not good ones.

[The Spaz]

We do, too. Just not good ones.
I hear you. I'm just saying the Patriots seem to sign and draft a TE every year...lol

[patmoran2006]

10:31 AM: Although it hasn’t been made official, Tim Graham, someone I trust more than any writer out there, reiterated that the Bills have already struck a deal with backup OT Kirk Chambers.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[Mahdi]

10:31 AM: Although it hasn’t been made official, Tim Graham, someone I trust more than any writer out there, reiterated that the Bills have already struck a deal with backup OT Kirk Chambers.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
Boom Baby! Now we can look forward to the draft...

K just kidding Chambers is good depth.

[rizzo777]

We need to sign a QUALITY player like TJ Housh or even Coles.. Any updates on them???

[patmoran2006]

Yes, I have an update on TJ.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
I heard the Bills front office find it laughable that he is openly campaigning himself for <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Philadelphia</st1:place></st1:City>. I guess he even text’d a Philly radio station this morning saying he’d love to play there.<o:p></o:p>
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People who are still thinking TJ lands in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Buffalo</st1:place></st1:City> can honestly forget about it. I”ll put my already smeared Jr. Journalist reputation on the line that TJ will not be a Buffalo Bill.<o:p></o:p>

[The last buffalo fan]

Thanks Pat, good job as usual! :up:

[patmoran2006]

This doesn’t really have anything to do with the Bills anymore, and I posted this in a separate thread because I desperately want to keep this with updates and NOT into a JP thread, but talked to someone very much in the know and..<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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10:50 AM: JP Losman is drawing early interest from <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on">Dallas</st1:City>, <st1:City w:st="on">St. Louis</st1:City> and <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">San Francisco</st1:place></st1:City> and could be on multiple visits by tomorrow.<o:p></o:p>

[X-Era]

Any times that we should expect to see any of our FA visits?

Anything on the rumored Owen Daniels trade?

[patmoran2006]

What rumored Daniels trade? Maybe there is, but I haven't heard a thing about it and either are the two people I am talking to and exchanging instant messages/phone calls with all day long.

I'm trying to find out about visit times now.

[Ickybaluky]

I hear you. I'm just saying the Patriots seem to sign and draft a TE every year...lol

You are right. Usually more than one.

Seems they are always looking for TEs.

[homeslice5484]

not trying to be rude, but are the bills ever going to upgrade the #2 WR position? It has been such a glaring need and they just try to fill it with other short no names every year or a rookie. Cmon now Buffalo, how is the QB gonna be good if he only has Lee and Reed and you wont give the other guys a a chance?

[patmoran2006]

11:00am: I’ve learned the Bills were planning on making a major run at Bo Scaife and were prepared to bid against Philadelphia for him, until Tennessee signed kicker Rob Bironas (spelling), which gave the Titans the ability to franchise Scaife. If there is any FA tight end out there the Bills are interested in, I have zero knowledge of it. I asked about LJ Smith and didn’t get any indication the Bills were interested in him.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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As for Robert Royal, I guess he was told over a week ago he would likely be released.<o:p></o:p>

[homeslice5484]

get a starting WR with height!!!!! Safety help and LB help, oline starters.

[Ickybaluky]

11:00am: I’ve learned the Bills were planning on making a major run at Bo Scaife and were prepared to bid against Philadelphia for him, until Tennessee signed kicker Rob Bironas (spelling), which gave the Titans the ability to franchise Scaife. If there is any FA tight end out there the Bills are interested in, I have zero knowledge of it. I asked about LJ Smith and didn’t get any indication the Bills were interested in him.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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As for Robert Royal, I guess he was told over a week ago he would likely be released.<o:p></o:p>

L.J. Smith is reportedly close to signing with Atlanta.

Jason Brown is reportedly close with St. Louis as well.

[homeslice5484]

are the bills interested in moore, the guard from the jets?

[patmoran2006]

11:13 AM- sent a message regarding Jermaine Phillips and just got a response. As of right now at least, the Bills are “keeping tabs” on him, but haven’t made any phone calls about setting up a visit. I haven’t heard anything anywhere about possible destinations for him.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[madness]

I dont understand the interest in Kevin Jones.

First off, this is NOT the same as any other position. We dont have any issues with depth. I like adding a 3rd guy but its not needed

Secondly, Jones was so damn good for the Lions who absolutely STINK that they went and got Rudi?

What the hell does that say about Jones?

There's more to the story than just that.

[psubills62]

How about Rocky Bernard? Can you get any word on the level of Buffalo's interest in him, pat? Thanks a ton for the updates...gotta go take a test, I'll be back in an hour or more.

[patmoran2006]

No shocker here with this.
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11:19: The Bills have not spoken to the agent for Melvin Fowler and he wont’ be back with the team.<o:p></o:p>
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(BTW, at this point, Im getting direct messages regarding Bills related stuff and relaying them here. If there is anything that Im asked specifically to NOT mention then I don’t until I’m told it is OK. I’m not going to screw up this outlet right now- he already tipped me off about Dockery and Hangartner well before anything became public, as you all saw on here)<o:p></o:p>

[X-Era]

Are you saying that you have in fact heard some things you cant tell us?

Is there any talk of the Bills and trading someone or for someone? I didnt ask who, only if there was talk.

[patmoran2006]

11:26AM- no word regarding Jabari Greer. The Bills do have an offer that’s been on the table. I highly doubt he’s taking it. The Patriots have Leigh Bodden in for a visit. If that doesn’t work out, don’t be the LEAST bit shocked to see Greer visiting them soon.

(Update- I dont know Bodden is visiting for NE and I haven't gotten that confirmed. I read about that on Pro Football Talk)

[patmoran2006]

Are you saying that you have in fact heard some things you cant tell us?

Is there any talk of the Bills and trading someone or for someone? I didnt ask who, only if there was talk.
I would only tell if I was told I was allowed too and if it was something big.
But honestly, now I haven't heard anything that hasn't been posted here.

[camelcowboy]

No shocker here with this.
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11:19: The Bills have not spoken to the agent for Melvin Fowler and he wont’ be back with the team.<o:p></o:p>
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(BTW, at this point, Im getting direct messages regarding Bills related stuff and relaying them here. If there is anything that Im asked specifically to NOT mention then I don’t until I’m told it is OK. I’m not going to screw up this outlet right now- he already tipped me off about Dockery and Hangartner well before anything became public, as you all saw on here)<o:p></o:p>
I will ask this have u received any news u have been asked to keep on the dl?

[patmoran2006]

Honestly, no.
and I poked around about TJ and Phillips as well.

I think one thing that I found interesting that nobody else has is that I heard the front office strongly considered cutting Schobel so they wouldnt have to pay him $3.5 million today.

[patmoran2006]

11:33 AM: Since there seems to be a lot of TJ interest here, just read via the National Football Post that the Seattle Seahawks are now the front runners to sign him. (on a side note, anyone want to give me 3-to-1 odds that Michael Crabtree will be on the board at #11? Nevermind, another topic for another time)<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[patmoran2006]

Looks like TE LJ Smith is indeed going to <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Atlanta</st1:place></st1:City>. So that’s how you get your young QB a viable tight end?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[homeslice5484]

so we kept schobel and kelsay, oh my. Kelsay?

[DraftBoy]

Im interested to hear more about Phillips, and Sean Jones really.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Looks like TE LJ Smith is indeed going to <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Atlanta</st1:place></st1:City>. So that’s how you get your young QB a viable tight end?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
LJ smith is constanly injured.

Trade for Tony Gonzales.

[DraftBoy]

LJ smith is constanly injured.

Trade for Tony Gonzales.

Why? Id rather just draft a TE, Ill pass on Scaife too.

[patmoran2006]

Im interested to hear more about Phillips, and Sean Jones really.
I asked about Phillips, and got NOTHING back. I will ask about Jones

[madness]

We already overpaid a TE to underachieve. There's no reason to bring in LJ Smith.

[DraftBoy]

I asked about Phillips, and got NOTHING back. I will ask about Jones

Well not nothing you said they are keeping their tabs on him, that's different than nothing. As long as they are watching the situation, Im mildly content with that.

[patmoran2006]

12:10 PM: Jim Overdorf is in negotiations with two agents right as I speak (type). One of them is definitely Hangartner. The other one I am NOT sure on, but I think it may be Kendall Simmons.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[patmoran2006]

12:11 PM: Per NFL.com, Michael Boley is on his way to visit the NY Giants.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[DraftBoy]

Anybody know what Simmons old contract was? Like how much per year? Im curious to know what we may be looking at and if comes here and how much his figure changes based on the Achilles issue.

[patmoran2006]

12:12 PM: Per the NY Daily News, the jets have made an offer to Chris Kemoeatu (Keeping some divisional stuff in this thread too)<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[patmoran2006]

Anybody know what Simmons old contract was? Like how much per year? Im curious to know what we may be looking at and if comes here and how much his figure changes based on the Achilles issue.
4 year, 23 million ext he signed in 2007.

[DraftBoy]

4 year, 23 million ext he signed in 2007.

Thanks!

So a little over 5 a year...I wonder how much we could land him for. Surely for less than that.

[BuffaloBillsStampede]

Pat you are kickin ass man great work!

[clumping platelets]

Steelers | Simmons signs four-year extension with team - from www.KFFL.com
Sun, 02 Sep 2007 08:37:07 -0700
Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl) OG Kendall Simmons (http://www.kffl.com/player/5820/nfl) has signed a contract extension that will keep him with the team through the 2011 season. The four-year extension is worth $24 million with $8.5 million guaranteed.

[RockStar36]

They should just address TE in the draft. I've had enough of everybody else's scraps. No thanks.

[DraftBoy]

Agreed RS, save the TE position for the NFL Draft where there are more true playmakers.

[homeslice5484]

i wonder if the bills are gonna be wishing they were more agressive after all this is over.

[Tatonka]

wonder how much they offered peters. i would imagine it is larger than the dockery deal. def over 50 million.

[T-Long]

The Bucs just traded for Winslow!!!

[Tatonka]

foxworth just got a 5 year 28 mill deal with 13 mill guarenteed.

that is comparable to what we offered greer i think

[psubills62]

I asked about Phillips, and got NOTHING back. I will ask about Jones

Hey pat, would you mind asking about Rocky Bernard? Much appreciated....thanks for all the updates, you must be working your tail off!

[DBrown77]

included this here because of the hangartner contact negotiations

http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2009/02/bills-eyeing-hangartner-to-block-jenkins.html

Hangartner used to practice against Jenkins. ironic

[patmoran2006]

included this here because of the hangartner contact negotiations

http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2009/02/bills-eyeing-hangartner-to-block-jenkins.html

Hangartner used to practice against Jenkins. ironic
Excellent find..

[psubills62]

Steelers | Simmons signs four-year extension with team - from www.KFFL.com (http://www.KFFL.com)
Sun, 02 Sep 2007 08:37:07 -0700
Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl) OG Kendall Simmons (http://www.kffl.com/player/5820/nfl) has signed a contract extension that will keep him with the team through the 2011 season. The four-year extension is worth $24 million with $8.5 million guaranteed.

Man...don't freak me out like that. I'm wondering "what the heck, I thought he was visiting Buffalo, how did he just sign an extension with the Steelers??"

[THATHURMANATOR]

My buddies in the Burgh told me he sucks.

[Slim]

I'm content with whats going on. But i really want to hear a Sean Jones, Phillips, Vilma, Boley, or Bernard rumor.

[DBrown77]

My buddies in the Burgh told me he sucks. Doesnt the Steelers offensive line kind of suck right now besides Faneca? Can you give some details on why he sucks?

[Slim]

My buddies in the Burgh told me he sucks.

He's a mauler in the run game. Big ben makes it hard for an o-line to look good. The guy holds onto the ball for 10 seconds each time he drops back.

[Nighthawk]

My buddies in the Burgh told me he sucks.

Yeah, he doesn't seem like an upgrade considering all I ever hear out of Pittsburgh is that they need to improve their line. More garbage picking by this organization instead of really addressing the talent issue. So far, and it's early in FA, I don't like what I've seen.

[Slim]

Sucks so bad that the Steelers extended him? Doesnt the Steelers offensive line kind of suck right now besides Faneca?

Faneca has been on the jets for a year.

[Nighthawk]

Sucks so bad that the Steelers extended him? Doesnt the Steelers offensive line kind of suck right now besides Faneca?

Isn't Faneca in NY playing for the Jets?

[THATHURMANATOR]

Yeah, he doesn't seem like an upgrade considering all I ever hear out of Pittsburgh is that they need to improve their line. More garbage picking by this organization instead of really addressing the talent issue. So far, and it's early in FA, I don't like what I've seen.
They also said that on top of this achilles thing he had back problems.

[patmoran2006]

1:40PM: I got absolutely NOTHING with the Bills right now regarding Rocky Bernard or Sean Jones. That’s as of now anyway. Surprisingly, I asked about John McCargo and if he was close to being cut and the person said from what gathered he was never really discussed.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[THATHURMANATOR]

Simmons is like a refurbished LCD TV that has a crack in the screen.....

[Slim]

They also said that on top of this achilles thing he had back problems.

I'm pretty sure he's had back surgery.

[rizzo777]

What a sad free agency so far for the Bills, Why isnt buffalobills.com forum working?@

[mysticsoto]

I dont understand the interest in Kevin Jones.

First off, this is NOT the same as any other position. We dont have any issues with depth. I like adding a 3rd guy but its not needed

Secondly, Jones was so damn good for the Lions who absolutely STINK that they went and got Rudi?

What the hell does that say about Jones?

I don't know why the Bills would even care about looking at a RB right now - the Fred Taylor thing may have been to raise his price for NE...although he (if he came cheap) would be a fantastic #3 to have. But regardless, we are not hurting even if Lynch gets a 4 game suspension. Bruce Hall, who was on the PS looked excellent last year and in my opinion, was a smart move for the FO to keep around. If Omon doesn't improve, I could see Hall surpassing him on the roster...

[Nighthawk]

They also said that on top of this achilles thing he had back problems.

He sounds like a perfect signing for this organization...mediocrity continues to reign at One Bills Drive. I have zero faith that this football department knows what it is doing.

[patmoran2006]

For the record; IF he's fully healthy, Simmons is a pretty highly valued guard, and IMO (not an update- is my opinion) is worth signing.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Isn't Faneca in NY playing for the Jets?
Yes and has been for over a season.

[patmoran2006]

1:40PM: I got absolutely NOTHING with the Bills right now regarding Rocky Bernard or Sean Jones. That’s as of now anyway. Surprisingly, I asked about John McCargo and if he was close to being cut and the person said from what gathered he was never really discussed.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
someone asked about Bernard and it got lost with other posts.

lets not make this thread too much about Simmons..

[THATHURMANATOR]

For the record; IF he's fully healthy, Simmons is a pretty highly valued guard, and IMO (not an update- is my opinion) is worth signing.
Since I don't want to break the bank on another Guard I will take this assesment. Maybe the year off did wonders for his back.

[X-Era]

I don't know why the Bills would even care about looking at a RB right now - the Fred Taylor thing may have been to raise his price for NE...although he (if he came cheap) would be a fantastic #3 to have. But regardless, we are not hurting even if Lynch gets a 4 game suspension. Bruce Hall, who was on the PS looked excellent last year and in my opinion, was a smart move for the FO to keep around. If Omon doesn't improve, I could see Hall surpassing him on the roster...

First, I agree, I dont know why we are looking so hard.

Secondly, when did Bruce Hall look great? In the preseason? Ugghhh. No, thats not enough for me to be honest.

Now, I would go and spend a 5th rounder on Andre Brown from NC State. Hes speedy, strong, has wiggle, and is underrated.

[THATHURMANATOR]

someone asked about Bernard and it got lost with other posts.

lets not make this thread too much about Simmons..
I am going to make it ALL about Simmons.

[Nighthawk]

someone asked about Bernard and it got lost with other posts.

lets not make this thread too much about Simmons..

Pat, I've got to run soon, but can you see what LBs they have on the radar...why not Vilma or Boley? Somebody who can actually play and would be an upgrade of talent at the position?

[DBrown77]

Isn't Faneca in NY playing for the Jets? you know i was thinking that when i was typing that. i meant Starks

[Slim]

Fitzpatrick is at OBD. I bet he signs today.

[Nighthawk]

Fitzpatrick is at OBD. I bet he signs today.

Oh boy...CHAMPIONSHIP! [sarcasm]

[Slim]

Pat, I've got to run soon, but can you see what LBs they have on the radar...why not Vilma or Boley? Somebody who can actually play and would be an upgrade of talent at the position?
Boley is visiting the Giants. Last night there was a Mike Peterson and Boley rumor from channel 4.

[X-Era]

For the record; IF he's fully healthy, Simmons is a pretty highly valued guard, and IMO (not an update- is my opinion) is worth signing.

Kendall Simmons is a great pickup IF HEALTHY! Hes the nasty type of OL that we wish we had. He brings an attitude and mean streak that makes us better. Id love to see the nasty block he lays down to spring Lynch for a long TD. I can see it, I really can.

[patmoran2006]

1:44pm- Coles is not in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Buffalo</st1:place></st1:City>.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[psubills62]

1:40PM: I got absolutely NOTHING with the Bills right now regarding Rocky Bernard or Sean Jones. That’s as of now anyway. Surprisingly, I asked about John McCargo and if he was close to being cut and the person said from what gathered he was never really discussed.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

Thanks pat!

[Nighthawk]

Boley is visiting the Giants. Last night there was a Mike Peterson and Boley rumor from channel 4.

This organization needs to make some big acquisitions or I just see that stadium being pretty empty this year. This isn't a good start for the Bills.

[Slim]

Theres a thread at BBMB that say Coles signed a 3 year deal with the fins.. But i can't get into the thread beacuse a vtext just went out (each time that happens a million people flood the MB). Can anyone confirm anything??

[Nighthawk]

1:44pm- Coles is not in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Buffalo</st1:place></st1:City>.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

Is he coming? I've read many places that he was...?

[rizzo777]

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Who cares about Fitzpatrick, he sucks. If I see we sign vilma, housh, coles or someone decent then I will be happy, this is SADDD!!!@!

[psubills62]

1:44pm- Coles is not in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Buffalo</st1:place></st1:City>.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

Reports are that he signed with Miami...

[Slim]

I got into the thread and it sounds like its BS. False alarm.

[patmoran2006]

I have no idea if he signed with Miami.

[X-Era]

1:44pm- Coles is not in <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Buffalo</st1:place></st1:city>.<o:p></o:p>

Ok, if he signed with the Fins go get Housh.

[patmoran2006]

Is he coming? I've read many places that he was...?
I dont know.. I just know that right NOW he is not at OBD

[Slim]

Coles to MIA per ESPN radio.

[THATHURMANATOR]

This sucks.

Gangartner(who he is)
Fitzpatrick.... Eh
and nothing.

What a joke.

[rizzo777]

WHAT THE **** ARE THE BILLS DOING?!!!?!
THIS SUCKS

[Nighthawk]

Coles to MIA per ESPN radio.

Hey, another team in our division actually adding talent...what an f'n concept! This organization is burying itself...very fast!

[jimbohastle51]

coles has been as good as a dolphin since free agency started, not only did parcells draft him but pennington is his best friend. everyone knew he would take pennies to get to miami to be with pennington. by the way are gay marriages legal in miami cause those 2 are perfect together :)

[Slim]

Hey, another team in our division actually adding talent...what an f'n concept! This organization is burying itself...very fast!

Still no confiramtion or link anywhere on the web.. It's all over finheaven though.

[psubills62]

Hey, another team in our division actually adding talent...what an f'n concept! This organization is burying itself...very fast!

I love how no one wants this guy until he signs with a team in our division. Then it's "why didn't Buffalo sign this guy??"

[Nighthawk]

coles has been as good as a dolphin since free agency started, not only did parcells draft him but pennington is his best friend. everyone knew he would take pennies to get to miami to be with pennington. by the way are gay marriages legal in miami cause those 2 are perfect together :)

It also helps to have football men running the show...the Bills are run by a bunch of idiots. This poor showing early in FA is not going to help their cause when trying to sell tickets.

[DBrown77]

This sucks.

Gangartner(who he is)
Fitzpatrick.... Eh
and nothing.

What a joke.

Hangartner started 8 games this year for a Panthers team that went 12-4. I live in Charlotte, watched him a lot believe me he would be a good pickup for whats available at that position right now. He is definitely a starter

[RockStar36]

It also helps to have football men running the show...the Bills are run by a bunch of idiots. This poor showing early in FA is not going to help their cause when trying to sell tickets.

You can't honestly say you're surprised by any of this, right? Did you actually expect them to do anything worthwhile today?

[Slim]

The bills NEED to entertain Jones, Phillips, Vilma, or Boley. PLLLEASEEE.

[psubills62]

Ah, but wait:

"The South Florida Sun-Sentinel confirms that the Dolphins have interest in free agent Laveranues Coles, but only "at the right price."

The Fins have seemed a lot more intent on upgrading their offensive line and defense than skill positions to this point. They're not in the mix for any of the top receivers available. Coles is younger and might want at least what T.J. Houshmandzadeh gets. The Dolphins definitely won't pay that."

Doesn't sound like anything is a done deal yet...we'll have to see.

[don137]

Everyone in the Bills division has gotten better today except Buffalo. I try to remind myself it is a long race and its not how you start but how you finish. However, the Bills appear to be 6 lengths back and they have not hit the first turn yet.

[Nighthawk]

I love how no one wants this guy until he signs with a team in our division. Then it's "why didn't Buffalo sign this guy??"

Nope, you're wrong. I want "talent" added to this roster...not scrubs from other teams. It shows how poorly this team is run, especially when they stated they needed to add talent to this roster. From what I've read so far, they're not looking to add talent, they're looking to add bodies to the roster. Big difference!

[Slim]

Hangartner started 8 games this year for a Panthers team that went 12-4. I live in Charlotte, watched him a lot believe me he would be a good pickup for whats available at that position right now. He is definitely a starter

With Meester off the market. Putting Hangartner at Center and drafting a center is perfectly fine with me.

[Nighthawk]

The bills NEED to entertain Jones, Phillips, Vilma, or Boley. PLLLEASEEE.

Agreed!

[Nighthawk]

You can't honestly say you're surprised by any of this, right? Did you actually expect them to do anything worthwhile today?

No, you're right, but I figured that they would at least TRY to add some proven talent to this team and not just the garbage lying around from other rosters. I mean, didn't this organization sell Jauron to us based on the fact that they needed to add more talent? The backlash from a statement like that ADDED to them keeping Jauron is going to kill this organization.

[Slim]

Per Gang Green MB Greer "almost" a jet.

[Nighthawk]

Hangartner started 8 games this year for a Panthers team that went 12-4. I live in Charlotte, watched him a lot believe me he would be a good pickup for whats available at that position right now. He is definitely a starter

So what is the reason then for him not being able to win a starting job in Carolina? I'm not so sure this guy is an upgrade over anybody...

[DBrown77]

So what is the reason then for him not being able to win a starting job in Carolina? I'm not so sure this guy is an upgrade over anybody... Ryan Khalil filled in when Hangartner was injured i believe. Khalil has been a beast since. I am not saying he's all world, but he is definitely a starting caliber lineman

[cpearl]

Is signing any player more important than signing the right player? We were big players in FA the past couple years and look where that got us? Our best players have come from the draft.

I think we need to be smart and get players that fit. Geoff Hangartner is a perfect example of a need player that may not be a big signing but that may really impact our o-line.

Just because we aren't throwing money at Bart Scott or any available center doesn't mean we are going to lose.

Everyone settle down and let it play out. Its barely 2pm EST.

[Slim]

Ryan Khalil filled in when Hangartner was injured i believe. Khalil has been a beast since. I am not saying he's all world, but he is definitely a starting caliber lineman

Other way around. Kalil is a beast and Hangartner filled in when Kalil was hurt. And did a good job.

[Slim]

Any new news Pat?

[DBrown77]

Other way around. Kalil is a beast and Hangartner filled in when Kalil was hurt. And did a good job. Pre Kalil i think Hangartner was the starter...in 2006. i am not sure 100% though. Yes you are right he did a good job filling in this year

[Slim]

Pre Kalil i think Hangartner was the starter...in 2006. i am not sure 100% though. Yes you are right he did a good job filling in this year

You might be right about 2006. I have no idea.

[Mahdi]

Pre Kalil i think Hangartner was the starter...in 2006. i am not sure 100% though. Yes you are right he did a good job filling in this year
So did Melvin Fowler before we signed him. Thats what worries me about these backups who are "potential" starters.

[patmoran2006]

I don’t know..This is the first time all day I haven’t gotten a message back instantly. .Maybe something is going on at OBD.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
What I know for certain though, is that the only player who has physically been at OBD as of noon today was Fitzpatrick. And again, I heard Overdorf was negotiating with agents for Hangartner and and I THINK Simmons.<o:p></o:p>

[Slim]

I don’t know..This is the first time all day I haven’t gotten a message back instantly. .Maybe something is going on at OBD.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
What I know for certain though, is that the only player who has physically been at OBD as of noon today was Fitzpatrick. And again, I heard Overdorf was negotiating with agents for Hangartner and and I THINK Simmons.<o:p></o:p>

Thanks for the update.

[THATHURMANATOR]

No word on any Safety, OLBs, DE or WRs?

[Slim]

No word on any Safety, OLBs, DE or WRs?

nothing as of today. Last night John Muprhy of Channel four reptorted we were intrested in Boley and Mike Peterson. But i've heard nothing since.

[jimbohastle51]

no way fitzpatrick is our vet backup QB, he has maybe 1 or 2 more starts than trent and has only been around 1 more season maybe 2, no way trent can learn anything from a guy that cant win a starting job in the NFL, if palmer didnt go down last year fitz wouldnt of saw the field, and they might have won more games with palmer. remember at least half there losses came at his hand with horrible QB play, he only threw 8tds in 12 games with housh and ocho cinco as his wide outs!!!!!

[Luisito23]

I watched Fitz play against NY and the guy straight up garbage...At least he'll fit right in though.

[DBrown77]

Garcia would be a better fit if he was okay with a backup role until Trent gets hurt in week 4

[mysticsoto]

First, I agree, I dont know why we are looking so hard.

Secondly, when did Bruce Hall look great? In the preseason? Ugghhh. No, thats not enough for me to be honest.

Now, I would go and spend a 5th rounder on Andre Brown from NC State. Hes speedy, strong, has wiggle, and is underrated.

A few years ago, people responded with similar and often snide remarks when I commented that Fred Jackson looked good in TC...and that he might eventually join our roster.

[Ed]

Per Gang Green MB Greer "almost" a jet.
That sucks. If we're just releasing players and not bringing in anyone that significant, why wouldn't we just keep Greer?

For a team that "lacks talent" it doesn't make any sense to me to let some of your better players just walk. And to a division rival no less.

I don't see how this team benefits by just letting Greer go. We have so much cap space and there's just not that much talent left to spend it on.

I'm fine with getting Hangartner and Simmons, but how much has our OL really improved? Dockery was obviously highly overpaid, but I wouldn't say he played poorly. So would Simmons even be an upgrade? I'm certain Hangartner would be an upgrade over Fowler and Preston, but that's not saying much.

Pat, is there any news about Crowell? Any interest from other teams, or any chance we bring him back? Thanks.

[Jeff1220]

Fitz-p has got to be a lock. He's a Harvard guy. You know how this team gets all hot about those Ivy League educated guys.

[don137]

Not sure if this has been reported but Adam Schefter is reporting in his blog Drayton Florence has visited Buffalo today.
http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/
Plan B for Bills:With Buffalo losing out to New England for the services of running back Fred Taylor, the Bills could turn to former Lions and Bears free-agent running back Kevin Jones, who has drawn interest from the Bills, Jets, Rams and Buccaneers.

Buffalo is keeping busy at other positions as well. On Thursday, Buffalo hosted a visit from former San Diego and Jacksonville cornerback Drayton Florence, who also is considering a return to San Diego

[Griz78]

Kemeoutu (sp?) re-signes with Steelers.
Vrabel traded to Chiefs for draft pcik per Rotoworld

[X-Era]

OK, BB.com's board is locked up, profootballtalk is locked up, this board has been locked up at times, and now Pat is apparently locked up...

Why are all my sources disappearing?

[DBrown77]

Kemeoutu (sp?) re-signes with Steelers.
Vrabel traded to Chiefs for draft pcik per Rotoworld
Thank God Vrabels gone. sick of seeing his mug make a big play on us

[Jeff1220]

Kemeoutu (sp?) re-signes with Steelers.
Vrabel traded to Chiefs for draft pcik per Rotoworld

Haha :lolpoint: Vrabel. I can't stand that guy. Have fun rebuilding for the rest of your career!

[psubills62]

Mike Vrabel goes to KC for an undisclosed draft pick.

per rotoworld.com

[DBrown77]

and we're back. The hampster must have started running again!

[homeslice5484]

So this was Father Jauron's offseason plan? Good lord.

[homeslice5484]

oh yeah, greer better not go to the jets.

[homeslice5484]

why are we not addressing DE, WR, LB, and OL at all? We got Fitzpatrick here?!?! Thats you filling your biggest needs?

[Slim]

why are we not addressing DE, WR, LB, and OL at all? We got Fitzpatrick here?!?! Thats you filling your biggest needs?

We're talking to Simmons and Hangartner (ol), and Coles (WR). It sounds like we'll be adressing DE at the draft. And i hope we adress LB in the next few hours.

[DBrown77]

Pat, Any news in the past hour the site was down?

[homeslice5484]

theres some starting caliber DE out there though. Last DE we drafted was ellis and he didn't even play hardly.

[T-Long]

I'm getting very impatient here...

[homeslice5484]

what about Moore, the jets ex guard.

[Slim]

theres some starting caliber DE out there though. Last DE we drafted was ellis and he didn't even play hardly.

Smith and Montgomery are the only two DE's that i'd want on the Bills that are in FA. We carried 5 de's on the roster last season. We'll draft one in April.

[homeslice5484]

Gus Ferrote is available, just cut by the vikings, good backup.

[jimbohastle51]

i think we will hammer something out with simmons, but he is a high risk high reward player coming off his injury. also i think we will get a pretty good LB weather its peterson, brookings, or some vet of that nature, but i dont see us players for boley since the giants are offering him 5 million a year. no way we will pay him that, not a guy who lost his starting job last year to our special teams guy (coy wire)

[homeslice5484]

well why are we not addressing DE with those 2 then? Were ok with Kelsay, Schobel, Denney, Ellis, and Bryan?

[Slim]

Gus Ferrote is available, just cut by the vikings, good backup.
I'd prefere him or Huard of Fitz. Although Fitz is younger.

[Slim]

well why are we not addressing DE with those 2 then? Were ok with Kelsay, Schobel, Denney, Ellis, and Bryan?

+1 1st or second round draft pick. And i wouldnt be suprised to see the bills use their fourth on another DE.

[Slim]

I'm getting very impatient here...

+1

[Mski]

FWIW per wgr 550 coles was in buffalo today

bart scott may not be a done deal in NY... appearantly the ravens upped their offer

[X-Era]

Where in the hell did Pat go?

[Griz78]

Dolphins | Berger signed
Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:25:14 -0800

Armando Salguero, of the Miami Herald, reports the Miami Dolphins have signed unrestricted free-agent OG Joe Berger (Cowboys) to a three-year deal. Financial terms were not disclosed.

[Slim]

Dolphins | Berger signed
Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:25:14 -0800

Armando Salguero, of the Miami Herald, reports the Miami Dolphins have signed unrestricted free-agent OG Joe Berger (Cowboys) to a three-year deal. Financial terms were not disclosed.

Sounds like a Bills signing.

[Dr. Lecter]

According to V-text, Coles is in Buffalo today

[X-Era]

Sounds like a Bills signing.

WOW! They did? :rolleyes:

Who in the hell cares

[X-Era]

According to V-text, Coles is in Buffalo today

Really? I never got that.

[Slim]

It was just sent jpe.

[homeslice5484]

since my texts from the bills dont work, i know i didnt get it!

[Dr. Lecter]

Really? I never got that.

Stupid Bills! Not running it by you!

:D

[X-Era]

Stupid Bills! Not running it by you!

:D

EXACTLY!!!

:D:

[T-Long]

I have V-TEXT and I didn't get it yet...I usually get them right as they are sent?

[T-Long]

check that. Just got it

[X-Era]

I have gone from being depressed about the worry that the Fins had signed him to stoked that hes in Buffalo... Hes gonna sign, I really believe it. No way we let him leave.

[homeslice5484]

i really wish they would fix mine.

[X-Era]

Pat has apparently left the building

[RockStar36]

I won't lie, I'd like to have Coles in Buffalo after years of watching him play for the Jets. I think he would be a very good #2 opposite Evans with Parrish and Reed in the slot.

[DBrown77]

i say we overpay for him if hes healthy. Hes a playmaker. Along with evans they can open our run game up

[Slim]

Apperantly Pats under gag orders.

[muestafa1]

Got it a few minutes ago. Said he was touring the practice facility.

[patmoran2006]

4:00 PM- L. Coles is in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on">Buffalo</st1:City>, not <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Miami</st1:place></st1:City>. And from what I’m hearing the Bills are getting close to signing Fitzpatrick and Hangartner. I have no further info on Simmons.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[T-Long]

why is he touring when it has been announced he is going to Miami?

[Dr. Lecter]

I won't lie, I'd like to have Coles in Buffalo after years of watching him play for the Jets. I think he would be a very good #2 opposite Evans with Parrish and Reed in the slot.

And he comes from a GREAT college program.

[Slim]

I'd LOVE to sign him and piss off all the fin fans.

[patmoran2006]

im just really busy rightnow.

[muestafa1]

Got it a few minutes ago. Said he was touring the practice facility.

and wearing a Dolphins Jersey.... LOL

[DBrown77]

why is he touring when it has been announced he is going to Miami? He's a spy

[Slim]

And he comes from a GREAT college program.

FSU.

[homeslice5484]

if coles is the best they can do, do it!

[THATHURMANATOR]

I want coles badly. He is a perfect #2. He would bolster the offense immensly.

[homeslice5484]

my text alerts should be fixed shortly, thank god!

[Mski]

i like coles alot, but he's another small speedster reciever... but i agree, i want hmi here, and it makes our offense better with him in it

[X-Era]

I want coles badly. He is a perfect #2. He would bolster the offense immensly.

Totally agree. That would be a very good move. Probably our best #1, #2 tandem since Reed and Early.

I was thinking about Moulds/Peerless that one year, but no I think this is better.

Get-er-did

[THATHURMANATOR]

i like coles alot, but he's another small speedster reciever... but i agree, i want hmi here, and it makes our offense better with him in it
As long as he can get open who cares? Hardy is a Giant and from what I could see can't get open to save his life.

[homeslice5484]

i would prefer a #2 that has more height, but he can be a good #2...then we got reed and stevie in the slot, and hardy when he comes back. Both Stevie and Hardy in the redzone could be good.

Roscoe i just not a starting WR, hes a special teams guy.

[Slim]

i like coles alot, but he's another small speedster reciever... but i agree, i want hmi here, and it makes our offense better with him in it
He's a possesion guy as well though. I agree, i wish he was 6'3. But he's a great solution for the next few years.

[patmoran2006]

Per Tim Graham, Coles hasnt even TALKED to Miami.

[Mski]

Pat? does all this Fitz talk mean the team has no intrest in Kitna?

[THATHURMANATOR]

i would prefer a #2 that has more height, but he can be a good #2...then we got reed and stevie in the slot, and hardy when he comes back. Both Stevie and Hardy in the redzone could be good.

Roscoe i just not a starting WR, hes a special teams guy.
Enough with this height crap.

If he can get open that is all that matters.

Get Hardy going in the redzone somehow or draft a big TE.

[tatersalad]

he ( coles ) doesn't fit here I would rather sign some else

[Slim]

Totally agree. That would be a very good move. Probably our best #1, #2 tandem since Reed and Early.

I was thinking about Moulds/Peerless that one year, but no I think this is better.

Get-er-did

Moulds and Price were unstoppable that year. Moulds was the best WR in the game that season.
I don't see lee grabbing 100 catches while Coles goes over 1000.

[RockStar36]

Yeah, screw Coles! We should get a guy with height! That means he'll be good. Maybe they can draft someone in the 2nd round for that.

[DBrown77]

The question is. Would you want the Bills to pay 6-7 million a year for another WR? I say we overpay for someone like Coles IF he is healthy

[Slim]

Per Tim Graham, Coles hasnt even TALKED to Miami.

Intresting.

[homeslice5484]

i said i would like a starting WR with more height for redzone work, etc...to throw it up to go get it...but if the guy is shorter but can play and play well...then that is fine.

Height does not mean you can play....but a starting WR with height can do some other things. But if he cant get open, he is worthless.

[RockStar36]

i said i would like a starting WR with more height for redzone work, etc...to throw it up to go get it...but if the guy is shorter but can play and play well...then that is fine.

The Bills should worry about getting to the redzone first.

[Slim]

i said i would like a starting WR with more height for redzone work, etc...to throw it up to go get it...but if the guy is shorter but can play and play well...then that is fine.

Height does not mean you can play....but a starting WR with height can do some other things. But if he cant get open, he is worthless.

We can bring Hardy in for redzone sitations still...

[homeslice5484]

your right, hardy and stevie could play in the redzone...i have no problem with coles or a shorter WR if he can play, which coles can. Obviously if you can find a player like coles who was taller that would be perfect, but if he can play height does not matter, I agree. I was just stating what I would like.

[homeslice5484]

Are we looking at Moore pat? What about the guard the jets released?

[Dr. Lecter]

Coles is outstanding in the RedZone and plays much taller than his height.

[Slim]

Are we looking at Moore pat? What about the guard the jets released?

Thats the same person.

[jimbohastle51]

4:00 PM- L. Coles is in <st1:city w:st="on">Buffalo</st1:city>, not <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Miami</st1:place></st1:city>. And from what I’m hearing the Bills are getting close to signing Fitzpatrick and Hangartner. I have no further info on Simmons.<o:p></o:p>

the fitzpatrick thing solves nothing at all! he is not a proven backup unless your only credential is clipboard holding (he SUCKED for cincy last year) and he is only been around about 1 season longer than trent (he was a practice team guy his rookie season. he is NO vet presence and trent has no problem watching film so he doesnt need a tutor from harvard.....

[THATHURMANATOR]

he ( coles ) doesn't fit here I would rather sign some else
Who?

[homeslice5484]

Well I hope we are looking at the guard the Jets released...we need depth also.

[Slim]

Who?

Proven WR's like Hacket and Bryant Johnson. /sarcasm

[patmoran2006]

4:15pm- again per Tim Graham, Matt Birk has had no talks with <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Buffalo</st1:place></st1:City> and doesn’t anticipate having any. Same goes with <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Miami</st1:place></st1:City>, also looking for a center.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[Mski]

Who?

galloway??:idunno:

[DBrown77]

the fitzpatrick thing solves nothing at all! he is not a proven backup unless your only credential is clipboard holding (he SUCKED for cincy last year) and he is only been around about 1 season longer than trent (he was a practice team guy his rookie season. he is NO vet presence and trent has no problem watching film so he doesnt need a tutor from harvard..... The only Problem is there is really no one else. I would like Garcia, but he will see if he can start somewhere else first

Fitz was getting killed in Cinci too. Had no time to throw.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Proven WR's like Hacket and Bryant Johnson. /sarcasm
I sense sarcasm here.

at least I hope so.

[homeslice5484]

Tim Graham is on WGR right now.

[THATHURMANATOR]

galloway??idunno:
LOL. A guy just as small but 6 years older....

[Dr. Lecter]

Graham is on WGR right now, for those interested saying the stuff Pat is posting.

[Slim]

The only Problem is there is really no one else. I would like Garcia, but he will see if he can start somewhere else first

Fitz was getting killed in Cinci too. Had no time to throw.

Huard and Ferrote were both realsed.

[patmoran2006]

I dont know anything about anyone coming into town other than the 4 that are here.

[homeslice5484]

Fitzpatrick got better as the season went on...id perfer Frerrote, Gracia though.

[Slim]

Graham is on WGR right now, for those interested.
Can you sum it up when hes done?

[THATHURMANATOR]

Well freaking find out already. I dont' have time to waste Pat.

[Mski]

Graham is on WGR right now, for those interested saying the stuff Pat is posting.

just ended :sadwalk:

[DBrown77]

Huard and Ferrote were both realsed. I hear Brad Johnson is available too! I guess they all suck

[Dr. Lecter]

Can you sum it up when hes done?

Pretty much what Pat posted.

He said he talked to Coles agent and he would not comment on ant other visits scheduled and that the Bills have a legit chance to sign him.

[Slim]

Nevermind i'm listening online.

[Mski]

what about kerry collins?

[T-Long]

Is anyone else skimming everyone's comments looking for Pat?

[Slim]

what about kerry collins?


He reached a deal with the Titans a little while ago.

[Slim]

Is anyone else skimming everyone's comments looking for Pat?

I keep reading mine over and over agian actually.

[DBrown77]

what about kerry collins? Talks broke down with Tennessee because he wanted 8 mil a year. we would/should never pay him 8 mil

[Slim]

Talks broke down with Tennessee because he wanted 8 mil a year. we would/should never pay him 8 mil
NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports that Kerry Collins has reached a deal to re-sign with the Titans.

No details have been disclosed. Collins was seeking $8 million per for two or three years, but that's a lot to pay for a 36-year-old below average quarterback. He did have the advantage, however, of knowing that the Titans aren't ready to turn back to Vince Young.

[patmoran2006]

4:24pm- If the Bills don’t sign Fitzpatrick this weekend, I am told that they will be interested in bringing Gus Ferrotte in for a visit, possibly as early as Sunday. Ferrotte was cut today by Minnesota.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[homeslice5484]

i think id like Ferrote anyways.

[Slim]

4:24pm- If the Bills don’t sign Fitzpatrick this weekend, I am told that they will be interested in bringing Gus Ferrotte in for a visit, possibly as early as Sunday. Ferrotte was cut today by Minnesota.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

I'd prefere Ferrotte.

[Mski]

I'd prefere Ferrotte.

+1

[bigbry]

4:24pm- If the Bills don’t sign Fitzpatrick this weekend, I am told that they will be interested in bringing Gus Ferrotte in for a visit, possibly as early as Sunday. Ferrotte was cut today by Minnesota.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>


Then it will be time to dig up some old Ferrotte threads here.

[patmoran2006]

4:39pm: who knows if the specifics will ever get reported, and I would if I knew them (I don’t), but I’ve been told that the Bills contract offer for Fred Taylor was for more than what he signed with New England for (and I don’t know those terms either)<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[patmoran2006]

4:41pm: Although things could change with the right situation, The Bills haven’t contacted a single defensive end since free agency began. This makes it even more likely we’ll be looking for one in the draft, with Denney going into his last year and Schobel and Kelsay’s future beyond this year unknown.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[homeslice5484]

pat, what are they saying about coles chances of signing? How about Moore from the jets?

[patmoran2006]

I haven't heard anything about Coles since early afternoon, and I haven't heard a word about Brandon Moore, period.

[homeslice5484]

that sucks, Moore could takeover LG with the other guy being Center!

[patmoran2006]

I only got 10 minutes left, then my contact's "shift" is over and I'll be as clueless as anyone else for the rest of the evening.

Then again, I"m pretty clueless quite often so that's nothing new.

[Dr. Lecter]

I only got 10 minutes left, then my contact's "shift" is over and I'll be as clueless as anyone else for the rest of the evening.

Then again, I"m pretty clueless quite often so that's nothing new.

If you are going to say that about yourself before we can, you ruin the fun!!

I'll be at Brunner's tonight for an hour or so. Stop by and we can ***** about the Bills.

[patmoran2006]

4:48pm: The Patriots trade of Mike Vrabel to KC clears almost three and half million in cap space, likely affording them to target a cornerback, which could be Leigh Bodden.

[homeslice5484]

pat, what about greer? they think we can keep him still?

[The last buffalo fan]

If you are going to say that about yourself before we can, you ruin the fun!!

I'll be at Brunner's tonight for an hour or so. Stop by and we can ***** about the Bills.

Eb & Clump have competition now! :up:

[patmoran2006]

4:50pm: this is NOT any factual information and nothing more than a person’s opinion I’ve been talking too (pretty much all day), but he seems to think that Coles is going to use a Bills offer as leverage to get money from Miami, and that Miami is the place he ultimately wants to be. It is known he has a deep respect for Chad Pennington.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[patmoran2006]

pat, what about greer? they think we can keep him still?
i'd say slim to none. Maybe a 5% chance at best. With Dockery gone and them HAVING to sign either a FA guard or center now (won't start two rookies)-- they will not be spending that kind of money on a CB. This is what they drafted McKelvin for.