My FA update for Sunday

[patmoran2006]

Sorry, don't really much in way of juicy stuff (sorry); but I was able to get a couple of updates and tidbits this morning.

* The Bills have definitely made an offer to L. Coles, and it is true he should be deciding today between buffalo and Miami. Sounds to me like they are hopeful about him, but I think they expect him to sign with Miami.

* The Bills do plan on signing a WR in free agency. A couple of guys who were also FA last year could become targets if Coles passes on Buffalo. Bryant Johnson and DJ Hackett. The team likes Nate Washington, but expect him to sign with Tennessee.

* Amani Toomer was contacted, but the team doesnt expect him to come for a visit.

* Was unable to find out anything regarding Kendall Simmons other than they haven't officially offered him a contract.

* Some people in the organization wanted the team to take a run at Brian Dawkins. Turns out his deal in Denver could amount to 2-year, $9 million dollar deal.

* The Bills as of now haven't even contacted a tight end or defensive end for a visit.

* Dont know who or why people keep bringing up TJ WHo's Your Momma on this board, but the Bills have not contacted him and don't have any intentions on it unless his price tag drops rapidly.. They are not goign to pay another WR more than Lee Evans, so you guys can kill the TJ to Bills rumors/wishes.

* Have inquired with Houston about Owen Daniels, but so have a host of teams. Houston doesnt have an interest in trading him to anybody unless they are blown away.

* If Jabari Greer doesnt sign with Detoit, they expect him to end up in New England. The Bills do have an offer on the table at this point, but they dont exepct him to come back.

* No contact at all with Angelo Crowell over the past week.

* I asked about Jermaine Phillips, and was unable to get any information. THis is a guy I really want to find out more info, but have struck out. Ditto for Sean Jones. I got the vibe that they are definitely looking to fill a SS slot in free agency, but I dont know with whom.

* They expect it will take a deal that averages close to $10 million per year to lock up Jason Peters. I do not know what their offer on the table is for, and neither does my guy. Overdorf and Eugene Parker have been communicating, so I suppose that's a good thing.

* The team realizes Fitzpatrick isn't exactly the ideal type of vet QB to back up Edwards many thought, such as a Garcia, Ferrotte or Kitna; but the team graded him as the highest backup QB on the market, after it coming down (in their grades) to Fitzpatrick over Boller.

* Hangartner is the new starting center. They expect him to start but still may take a center fairly early in the draft, because Fowler and Preston are both not expected to be back.

* I found this mildly surprising. THe club may be interested in kicker MIke Nugent (Jets)

* WIth NE freeing up a lot of cap room, they expect them to become very active this week.

* Finally, this is the part I know your asking about the most.. I asked if there were any other new names the Bills will be bringing in. I was able to get a few names that the Bills are "taking a look at and evaluating". Doesnt mean they will be formally brought in or offered a deal, but here are a few names that I got.
Matt Lehr (Guard, New Orleans), Ben Wilkerson (guard, atlanta) and John Busing (S, Cinci)

That's all I got for now.. Trying to get some more stuff for later, but except for a Coles decision not much is expected to go on today.

[patmoran2006]

no public contract details yet either for Fitz or Hangartner (sorry Clump).
I know that Hangartner's deal is for four years.

[TacklingDummy]

Thanks, nice updates.

Miami or Buffalo???? Hmmm, that's a tough choice. /sarcasm

Won't bother me when he goes to Miami.

[shelby]

Thanks Pat!

[DraftBoy]

Id like to bring Wilkerson in, he was a rather valuable pickup in Atlanta this past season.

Also I think Bryant Johnson was signed last night.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

Good stuff Pat I really like the part about a safety and really hope they bring one in. Funny the bills see Coles going to Miami to, hope he comes here as it looks like Bryant Johnson is not available.

[clumping platelets]

:sadwalk:

[Tatonka]

wow i really hope we get simmons.

[X-Era]

wow i really hope we get simmons.

I agree and I think we will if we think hes healthy. The fact that we didnt offer him anything makes me think that we still have concerns about his health.

Just speculation on my part, but it could be that they want him to go to a specialist on Monday about the diabetes... maybe they just need a bit more medical eval that they couldnt get done on Friday or until his visits.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

Ya I'd imagine it's tough to get all the medical tests done for simmons on the weekend. Heck they might want to get a specialist to check out his achilles as well.

Pat can you find out if the Bills have any interest in Tony Scheffler, Denver supposably put him on the trading block.

[plundar]

Thanks for the update. It's nice to hear some thing about what is going on at a snails pace at OBD. That being said, this is a very weak attempt to make our team better. I will give them credit for trying to extend Peters. How about a LB, or DE? This is just frustrating.

[clumping platelets]

I would also ask Pat to find out when the moving vans will be here :shakeno:

[psubills62]

Thanks for the info pat. Doesn't look like they were too interested in bringing any big names in at all. Honestly, it just doesn't even seem like Jauron wants to win.

DJ Hackett would be an interesting get, but I'd much rather have Coles, who is a lot more durable.

[homeslice5484]

so were waiting on coles, other than that we have a ton of holes to fill and no one to fill them with?

[WeAreArthurMoates]

How about a LB, or DE? This is just frustrating.

The thing is there's no body out there in free agency especially d end. Crow still there but there's hurt feelings involved.

[patmoran2006]

so were waiting on coles, other than that we have a ton of holes to fill and no one to fill them with?
I never said that.
I'm optimistic that the Bills are going to target more players. I think they know they have too many holes for just the draft to fill.

[The Juice Is Loose]

I'll tell you what!

If New England is interested in Jabari, it just validates that we need to bring him back. I'd call and say we'll match any offer.

You can't let him go to the Pats. By them being interested, it pretty much solidifies that he's the real deal. youbody is far from a sure thing. Why not have Greer, Mcgee, Mcelvin, and Corner/Youbody? I don't think its too crowded, esp. with the way this management has placed value at the position!

Why not let a guy like McElvin be a Nickel guy that floats around trying to create a turnover and take it to paydirt? Let Greer cover the top guy, McGee cover the 2nd and make tackles, and McElvin be the X factor ball hawk and kick returner?!?!?!

[homeslice5484]

we need a #2 WR, DE, LB, G - TE is the least of my worries, just use another WR or let Fine play more.

I find it interesting were looking into a kicker.

[homeslice5484]

I never said that.
I'm optimistic that the Bills are going to target more players. I think they know they have too many holes for just the draft to fill.

Didnt mean to say you said that, im just assuming based on the past. We have needed a starting #2 WR for years, never get it. Last year they had a horrible draft in terms of starting talent and contributors. They only really had 1 guy who could contribute and that was Leodis, and they would hardly let Stevie contribute.

I find it interesting they are looking at Nugent.

[patmoran2006]

we need a #2 WR, DE, LB, G - TE is the least of my worries, just use another WR or let Fine play more.

I find it interesting were looking into a kicker.
So do I. Nugent, to my knowledge anyway hasn't been called for a visit and maybe he doesn't get called at all, but the mere fact that there is interest in him could be farewell to Rian Lindell.

[homeslice5484]

i guess im just looking for some hope, and im not finding it this offseason.

[homeslice5484]

i did notice a lot of guys we would want re signed with their old teams...and very few high priced free agents have signed compared to previous years. I just dont feel this team is aggressive enough to get the talent Ralph said we needed. I still stay the main problem was coaching.

[jimbohastle51]

thanks pat!, i cant believe they havnt contacted a single TE or DE, that is crazy! our 2 biggest needs and they are just going to bring in rookies and expect high caliber play from them! that is VERY VERY bold. jermaine phillips would be a major upgrade as when he is healthy he is a top safety in the league. i guess we will just have to see what happens, but they HAVE to add a G weather it is simmons or we trade for waters or something, there is no viable starting guards available and someone has to start at LG. hangartner i am going to give a chance. he is a big boy at around 6'5 315. the owen daniels thing, i think if it is to happen would be after they have tried everything else, if they cant get anything done to help the offense then you look at giving up a "blowing" away offer to houston, but i understand not doing that before you see how free agency pans out. whoever posted bryant johnson signed is correct, he is with the lions now on a 3 year deal. but hackett is still out there by man i hope we do not sign him! he hasnt been heathy in over 3 seasons. i mean missing significant time too not just a game here a game there. great stuff Pat!

[homeslice5484]

if the bills can fill the G, LB and #2 WR positions with starting talent i would be very happy. DE and the rest can be in the draft. Unless they plan to move Buther to LG and let Chambers start.

[Ickybaluky]

If New England is interested in Jabari, it just validates that we need to bring him back. I'd call and say we'll match any offer.

I'd be surprised if NE signs him. The are looking at CB a lot, but the guys they are looking at (Bodden, Springs) so far are guys who aren't going to command top dollar. They don't have a history of giving big contracts to CB, they seem to feel they can find guys to play there in the draft or with cheap vets.

Maybe last year changed their mind on that and they are willing to step up and give Greer the kind of payday the Lions are probably willing to give him. Letting Samuel go proved to be a big mistake, so maybe they are going to step up and try to correct it.

I'd still be surprised, though.

[jimbohastle51]

I never said that.
I'm optimistic that the Bills are going to target more players. I think they know they have too many holes for just the draft to fill.

exactly, and alot of players have been getting less than expected by monday prices will be significantly lower as well.

[homeslice5484]

im just looking for something to be optimistic about and this offseason I just dont have it, and thats a shame because I get excited every year.

[jimbohastle51]

I'd be surprised if NE signs him. The are looking at CB a lot, but the guys they are looking at (Bodden, Springs) so far are guys who aren't going to command top dollar. They don't have a history of giving big contracts to CB, they seem to feel they can find guys to play there in the draft or with cheap vets.

Maybe last year changed their mind on that and they are willing to step up and give Greer the kind of payday the Lions are probably willing to give him. Letting Samuel go proved to be a big mistake, so maybe they are going to step up and try to correct it.

I'd still be surprised, though.

from everything i've read he is just about a Lion. they lost out on the ken lucas trade only because ken lucas vetoed the trade, and greer at this point is better than a battered chris machallister or a 11 year dre bly, so i think he'll get his money he'll just have to play for a worse team than he left, and be paired next to anthony henry.

[jimbohastle51]

im just looking for something to be optimistic about and this offseason I just dont have it, and thats a shame because I get excited every year.

completely agree as do we all!, everyone was so fired up on here the past 2 days waiting for something good to happen for us.

[Ickybaluky]

from everything i've read he is just about a Lion. they lost out on the ken lucas trade only because ken lucas vetoed the trade, and greer at this point is better than a battered chris machallister or a 11 year dre bly, so i think he'll get his money he'll just have to play for a worse team than he left, and be paired next to anthony henry.

I wouldn't mind getting Ken Lucas...

... although he would command good money as well.

[patmoran2006]

I just heard from good word that the Bills could be interested in a trade for guard Brian Waters. Don't know much yet, but stay tuned.

[homeslice5484]

I just heard from good word that the Bills could be interested in a trade for guard Brian Waters. Don't know much yet, but stay tuned.

pat, are they working today?

[homeslice5484]

didnt the KC line suck?

[jimbohastle51]

I just heard from good word that the Bills could be interested in a trade for guard Brian Waters. Don't know much yet, but stay tuned.

that could be a real nice addition to our line next to peters.

[homeslice5484]

wait NM, hes a three time pro bowler.

[jimbohastle51]

I wouldn't mind getting Ken Lucas...

... although he would command good money as well.

only bad thing with ken lucas is i believe his contract calls for 5.6 million this year and then he will need to be extended which i am not sure the bills will want to do, he is going into his 9th season and is 30 or 31 i believe.

[ddaryl]

wow i really hope we get simmons.

me too, but we better have someone else ready to go for most of 2009. Simmons needws ot be eased back into regular duty and that is why he was allowed to leave Pitt.

[jimbohastle51]

didnt the KC line suck?

we can say what we want about there line, but brian waters is like a 7 time pro bowler and is well worth a 3rd or 4th round pick.

[patmoran2006]

Patriots interest in Greer is confirmed.
per KFFL, 1:19PM ET

Patriots | In touch with Greer
Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:19:58 -0800
Karen Guregian, of the Boston Herald, reports the New England Patriots (http://www.kffl.com/team/24/nfl) have been in touch with unrestricted free-agent CB Jabari Greer (http://www.kffl.com/player/9845/nfl) (Bills) but no visit has been scheduled, according to sources.

[homeslice5484]

i just looked him up jimbo and found that out, my bad.

I just hope we fill our holes properly AND have capable backups.

[homeslice5484]

please dont let greer go there, ugh!

[Ickybaluky]

Patriots interest in Greer is confirmed.
per KFFL, 1:19PM ET

Patriots | In touch with Greer
Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:19:58 -0800
Karen Guregian, of the Boston Herald, reports the New England Patriots (http://www.kffl.com/team/24/nfl) have been in touch with unrestricted free-agent CB Jabari Greer (http://www.kffl.com/player/9845/nfl) (Bills) but no visit has been scheduled, according to sources.

Yeah. They "contacted" him and found out what he was asking for, then said to get back to them if his price comes down.

[Ickybaluky]

only bad thing with ken lucas is i believe his contract calls for 5.6 million this year and then he will need to be extended which i am not sure the bills will want to do, he is going into his 9th season and is 30 or 31 i believe.

He is 30, but that doesn't scare me. You would get several good seasons out of the guy. He is a big CB who can match up with bigger WR and play physical. I like him a lot.

[patmoran2006]

Yeah. They "contacted" him and found out what he was asking for, then said to get back to them if his price comes down.
Right. Never said they were going to sign them. I said they were interested in him. I know Bodden left without a deal, but I got a feeling he's going to end up there.

You think NE is going to use a lot of that newly gotten cap money to extend Wilfork and/or Seymour?

[HHURRICANE]

Why wouldn't we bring Preston back??

[patmoran2006]

Why wouldn't we bring Preston back??
I thought he would be a lock to be brought back as a 3-position interior backup. I'm rather shocked that to my knowledge he hasn't even been called.
'
I do know that Jauron was very pissed at him for his ****up right before the half of the NE game.

[Night Train]

K, WR,..Good God.. we just cut our starting Guard and desperately need one, via trade or FA signing prior to the draft.

[homeslice5484]

we gotta address guard, WR, and LB asap. No excuses. I wouldn't mind the kicker from the jets after all is said and done either.

If Greer reduces his price, why not keep him?

[homeslice5484]

where did everyone go?

[patmoran2006]

According to newsday, the Jets hosted Robert Royal yesterday.

Makes sense.. Baker and Franks are both gone and they need a backup TE.

[homeslice5484]

royal is probably my least favorite bill...nice guy but very dumb on the field.

[billsburgh]

thanks Pat for providing us with all this info.

[patmoran2006]

2:46pm: POTENTIALLY breaking.. I think the Bills are about to sign Coles.. Im working on finding this out for sure right now.

[homeslice5484]

NO WAY!!!, pat cmon gimme some good news!

[Pinkerton Security]

2:46pm: POTENTIALLY breaking.. I think the Bills are about to sign Coles.. Im working on finding this out for sure right now.

sweeeeeeeet!!

[homeslice5484]

pat, pat, pat, pat, pat, pat...get the chant going!

[Jaybird]

trent will find him all day up the middle. great fit for this team

[circlethewagons]

2:46pm: POTENTIALLY breaking.. I think the Bills are about to sign Coles.. Im working on finding this out for sure right now.

You've been spot on so far - hope ur spot on on this one as well!

[X-Era]

F5... F5... F5... F5...

Repeat as necessary until Coles is ours

[patmoran2006]

I just talked to Tyler Dunne, colleague of mine at scout.com. He has direct contact with Coles' agent and is attempting to contact him as I type.
I will get right back with any details if I'm able to get anything confirmed.

[homeslice5484]

PAT PAT PAT PAT PAT PAT PAT PAT PAT PAT

[soapman]

* Dont know who or why people keep bringing up TJ WHo's Your Momma on this board, but the Bills have not contacted him and don't have any intentions on it unless his price tag drops rapidly.. They are not goign to pay another WR more than Lee Evans, so you guys can kill the TJ to Bills rumors/wishes.


Thanks Pat. Been preaching that all week.

[patmoran2006]

UGHHH! Nothing yet.

Mo F'r! I want to be the one to break this if I see this on AP wires first if this is going down Im going to be PISSED!

[homeslice5484]

cmon pat, u can do it!

[homeslice5484]

what are they saying the mood is like at OBD?

[X-Era]

cmon pat, u can do it!

What exactly can he do?

I hope your simply asking him to provide us with the latest news and not somehow get Coles signed.

[patmoran2006]

Im hearing Coles is looking for a three year deal in the range of $18-20 million.

[homeslice5484]

Im hearing Coles is looking for a three year deal in the range of $18-20 million.
So whats the problem? we need a starting caliber #2 receiver.

[patmoran2006]

Didn't say it was a problem.

[homeslice5484]

Didn't say it was a problem.

That was not meant for you, but for the bills FO lol

[patmoran2006]

wow.
KFFL picked this up pretty quick..
Bills | Interested in acquiring Waters
Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:04:25 -0800
Pat Moran, of Scout.com, reports the Buffalo Bills (http://www.kffl.com/team/9/nfl) are interested in trading for Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.kffl.com/team/21/nfl) OG Brian Waters (http://www.kffl.com/player/944/nfl), according to source.

[patmoran2006]

We're trying desperately to get a hold of Roosevelt Barnes (Coles' agent) over at scout.com

I am REALLY starting to think he's going to be a Bill in the next couple of hours. I don't think Miami has even offered him a deal, and if they did, I know that Buffalo offered more money. It appears that we want him.

[X-Era]

wow.
KFFL picked this up pretty quick..
Bills | Interested in acquiring Waters
Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:04:25 -0800
Pat Moran, of Scout.com, reports the Buffalo Bills (http://www.kffl.com/team/9/nfl) are interested in trading for Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.kffl.com/team/21/nfl) OG Brian Waters (http://www.kffl.com/player/944/nfl), according to source.

Well, Ill tell you what... if we end up making that trade, you are officially on the map. Are you scared or excited?

[homeslice5484]

pat, can you do me a favor...i have to run to the gym before it closes...can you msg me on AIM with any updates you have for the next hour or so? I would really appreciate it dude!

[Michael82]

2:46pm: POTENTIALLY breaking.. I think the Bills are about to sign Coles.. Im working on finding this out for sure right now.
OMG! If you scoop this one, you will be my HERO! Come on pat....break the news before even Pro Football Talk does.... :up:

:pray:

[Michael82]

Well, Ill tell you what... if we end up making that trade, you are officially on the map. Are you scared or excited?
Agreed. If that trade were to go down, he'd automatically become the next Mike Florio. That would be an amazing scoop! :bf1:

[X-Era]

OMG! If you scoop this one, you will be my HERO! Come on pat....break the news before even Pro Football Talk does.... :up:

:pray:

If Pat scoops it, I think we will have official data to support the claim that this is the best Bills board on the net and maybe one of the best in all the NFL!

Where else could you go to get this type of direct, as it happens, breaking news.

Damn, Im actually excited to be a Bills fan and proud of our board right now!

:clap:

[X-Era]

Agreed. If that trade were to go down, he'd automatically become the next Mike Florio. That would be an amazing scoop! :bf1:

Even without the trade happening, but just one other reporter with ties confirming it, he still hits the map!

[Michael82]

If Pat scoops it, I think we will have official data to support the claim that this is the best Bills board on the net and maybe one of the best in all the NFL!

Where else could you go to get this type of direct, as it happens, breaking news.

Damn, Im actually excited to be a Bills fan and proud of our board right now!

:clap:
If pat scoops it, something tells me that the site is going to go back into stealth mode again for a bit.... The hits will be crazy!

[homeslice5484]

on the bills boards, it says the bills are still very much an option for greer.

[homeslice5484]

pat, or anyone, if you hear anything can you send a msg to my AIM? It will send it to my phone while I am at the gym. Homeslice5484

[jimbohastle51]

have to agree with you both, if Pat does in fact break this the hits on this site will skyrocket and everyone will be awaiting a press conference on coles after they read this thread and be awaiting a trade finalization for waters.

[X-Era]

If pat scoops it, something tells me that the site is going to go back into stealth mode again for a bit.... The hits will be crazy!
Screw the Bills for a minute.

Look at the lineup of posters on this board:

Clump- Has probably the most accurate unofficial salary cap info maybe of any NFL team but certainly of the BIlls

DraftBoy- Does more homework on the draft than probably 90% of the commentators out there

And now Pat- provides fans here with up to date, as its happening, news from Bills sources

Seriously, Im proud right now.

[patmoran2006]

Don't know why the Bills would be players for Greer, unless they plan on letting McGee walk after 2009.

Maybe they think they can get Greer back for less in 2009 than McGee will cost in 2010, and McKelvin will be a #1 by 2010.

PS- No update on Coles--- yet

[homeslice5484]

scout.com has the article on greer and the bills making another offer over the weekend.

[jimbohastle51]

Don't know why the Bills would be players for Greer, unless they plan on letting McGee walk after 2009.

Maybe they think they can get Greer back for less in 2009 than McGee will cost in 2010, and McKelvin will be a #1 by 2010.

PS- No update on Coles--- yet

i would assume that mcgee's value would be at least 2million a year higher than greer, you have to think he was a pro bowl return man as well.

[homeslice5484]

if someone will msg m aim i would appreciate it, homeslice5484 im off to the gym, hope to hear good news.

[patmoran2006]

Colleague at scout.com (adam) reports that Greer isn't even close to signing with Detroit.

Telling ya.. This guy is going to end up a Patriot when its said and done-- or a Bill. Or a Jet.. LOL, he's staying in this division.

[Michael82]

Colleague at scout.com (adam) reports that Greer isn't even close to signing with Detroit.

Telling ya.. This guy is going to end up a Patriot when its said and done-- or a Bill. Or a Jet.. LOL, he's staying in this division.
I'm thinking that Greer isn't getting the offers he wants and will realize that the Bills have the best offer on the table. Then they will trade McGee, maybe for Daniels.... :idunno:

[HHURRICANE]

UGHHH! Nothing yet.

Mo F'r! I want to be the one to break this if I see this on AP wires first if this is going down Im going to be PISSED!

Pat, you have been solid all off season. The Dockery thing was huge. If Coles signs today than I double my donation. If we trade to get one of the best Guards in the league that I go triple on my donation!!

[T-Long]

Pat, nice work my friend. Keep it up! I will now be addicted to refreshing this...my wife is going to kill me!

[psubills62]

We're trying desperately to get a hold of Roosevelt Barnes (Coles' agent) over at scout.com

I am REALLY starting to think he's going to be a Bill in the next couple of hours. I don't think Miami has even offered him a deal, and if they did, I know that Buffalo offered more money. It appears that we want him.

Interesting. Honestly, I haven't heard that Miami has had ANY interest whatsoever...they seem to be concentrated on other positions. Makes you wonder if it's mainly a ploy to get more money out of Buffalo? Either way, I really hope he's a Bill soon enough.

[patmoran2006]

Pat, nice work my friend. Keep it up! I will now be addicted to refreshing this...my wife is going to kill me!
Your not the only one man.
My wife is ready to shoot me.. I wasn't supposed to do ANYTHING sports related today, and take a total day off. But I'm convinced 100% there is something developing with Coles right NOW, so I can't leave. If it goes down, I want to have it up for here and my scout.com job before ANYWHERE else.

[X-Era]

Your not the only one man.
My wife is ready to shoot me.. I wasn't supposed to do ANYTHING sports related today, and take a total day off. But I'm convinced 100% there is something developing with Coles right NOW, so I can't leave. If it goes down, I want to have it up for here and my scout.com job before ANYWHERE else.

Ya know, "agreed in principle" counts too even if he isnt in Buffalo physically. :D:

[Dr. Lecter]

As much as Chad Pennington would love to have former Jets teammate Laveranues Coles in Miami, it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen.

According to an NFL source, the Dolphins don’t perceive Coles as the No. 1 receiver they’ve been seeking and aren’t likely to pursue him in free agency.

Miami already has a No. 2 receiver in Ted Ginn Jr., not to mention a couple of quality complementary guys in Greg Camarillo and Devone Bess.

Money is almost undoubtedly an issue. Coles gave up the final year of his contract with the Jets, amounting to $6 million, to become a free agent, and there’s no doubt he’d like to recoup a large percentage of that amount with his next team.



http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2009/03/01/source-dolphins-likely-to-pass-on-laveranues-coles/#more-1372

[Ickybaluky]

Right. Never said they were going to sign them. I said they were interested in him. I know Bodden left without a deal, but I got a feeling he's going to end up there.

You think NE is going to use a lot of that newly gotten cap money to extend Wilfork and/or Seymour?

I'm not sure about Seymour, he has been hurt a lot and will not sign for anything less than top penny.

I think the Pats top-3 re-sign priorities in the coming year are:

1) Vince Wilfork
2) Logan Mankins
3) Steven Gostkowski

In that order. And, yes... that is where I think the majority of their cap space will go. If fact, they have been much more active than I thought they would be, I thought they would completely sit it out because they have so many of their own players to plan for.

[X-Era]

I'm not sure about Seymour, he has been hurt a lot and will not sign for anything less than top penny.

I think the Pats top-3 re-sign priorities in the coming year are:

1) Vince Wilfork
2) Logan Mankins
3) Steven Gostkowski

In that order. And, yes... that is where I think the majority of their cap space will go. If fact, they have been much more active than I thought they would be, I thought they would completely sit it out because they have so many of their own players to plan for.

Isnt Hochstein a UFA? I though he started for you guys last year at G?

[Ickybaluky]

Isnt Hochstein a UFA? I though he started for you guys last year at G?

He starts games on occasion when guys are hurt, and did last year for a while when Stephen Neal was injured. Neal and Mankins are the starting OG, while Koppen is the starting C. Hochstein backs up all 3 positions, along with playing as an extra TE or FB in jumbo packages. He is a valuable and experienced role player, but not a guy you want starting all the time.

[The Juice Is Loose]

why do you all want coles so bad? he's a washed up, non pro bowl, sub 6 foot tall scrub player

[X-Era]

He starts games on occasion when guys are hurt, and did last year for a while when Stephen Neal was injured. Neal and Mankins are the starting OG, while Koppen is the starting C. Hochstein backs up all 3 positions, along with playing as an extra TE or FB in jumbo packages. He is a valuable and experienced role player, but not a guy you want starting all the time.
Why wouldn't he be good depth for us?

BTW, I took a shot at the Pats in the NFL forum... no disrespect intended towards you... they really just drive me crazy.

[patmoran2006]

Got some news about Angelo Crowell (link to follow soon)

I think he's going to be a Tampa Buc in the next 48 hours.

[Ickybaluky]

Why wouldn't he be good depth for us?

BTW, I took a shot at the Pats in the NFL forum... no disrespect intended towards you... they really just drive me crazy.

He would be good depth for anyone. He is versatile and experienced. He just isn't a guy to build your line around.

[DraftBoy]

We bring in Coles, that will help a lot. Honestly so far while Im not sure excited about FA class, Im not disappointed either. We got the backup QB I wanted us to nab, and a new starting OC who can move out to OG if needed. I hope to bring another OG (Ben Wilkerson would be nice), and Coles, then I would be relatively happy going into the draft.

[Nighthawk]

Don't forget we need another LB...

[Michael82]

Got some news about Angelo Crowell (link to follow soon)

I think he's going to be a Tampa Buc in the next 48 hours.
Damn it. Oh well....I guess I'll be fine with Cato June or that LB from the Colts....

[patmoran2006]

Regarding Crowell, this is the text.. Its on scout.com, but under the premium subscribers..

Former Buffalo Bill and current unrestricted free agent linebacker is drawing interest from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. According to a source, Crowell is expected to arrive in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City><st1:place>Tampa</st1:place></st1:City> on either Monday or Tuesday and could quickly sign a deal with the team.
<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
Crowell, 27, missed all of 2008 with a knee injury and had a falling out with the Bills organization in the process. After trying to play through knee pain throughout the preseason, Crowell elected to have a knee procedure done just days before the start of the regular season. The procedure was expected to sideline him for four to six weeks. The Bills front office, angry at his timing, decided to put him on injured reserve, making him miss the entire season. Crowell then elected to have full surgery on the knee. He’s expected to be fully healthy for the 2009 season.
<o:p></o:p>
Crowell amassed more than 120 tackles for <st1:City><st1:place>Buffalo</st1:place></st1:City> in 2005 and 2007. He had five interceptions, five sacks and three forced fumbles in 65 career games.
<o:p></o:p>
<st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Tampa</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType>Bay</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> is looking for Crowell to replace Derrick Brooks, who was cut by the team earlier in the week.

[patmoran2006]

I am now hearing that Buffalo is still "very much in the mix" with Greer.

[yordad]

why do you all want coles so bad? he's a washed up, non pro bowl, sub 6 foot tall scrub playerHe had 70 catches last year for 850 yards. He has averaged 74 catches and 945 yards for every 16 games played in his career (counting his rookie year when he played 13 games but only had 22 for 370).

[homeslice5484]

what about coles lol i just got back from the gym...i wanna keep greer also.

[DraftBoy]

Crowell in Tampa makes a ton of sense to me.

[psubills62]

why do you all want coles so bad? he's a washed up, non pro bowl, sub 6 foot tall scrub player

I love how everyone who doesn't want him mainly mentions the fact that he's not quite 6 feet tall. At this point, I don't care how tall the guy is, I'd take someone who was 3 feet tall if they could produce.

[patmoran2006]

I can confirm that Coles has NOT visited Miami, as of this afternoon. Doesnt mean he won't sign with them, but he has not visited. I wouldnt read TOO much into that though.. Parcells already knows him, so why visit? He knows if he wants him or not.

But- I think the BIlls are getting close to signing him, and I think Coles' agent, Roosevelt Barnes may have overplayed his hand. I don't think anyone else besides Buffalo is very interested in him at this time.

[homeslice5484]

good news pat, now we just need him to sign the dotted line, any idea of the mood/environment at OBD right now that could make us optimistic?

[X-Era]

I can confirm that Coles has NOT visited Miami, as of this afternoon. Doesnt mean he won't sign with them, but he has not visited. I wouldnt read TOO much into that though.. Parcells already knows him, so why visit? He knows if he wants him or not.

But- I think the BIlls are getting close to signing him, and I think Coles' agent, Roosevelt Barnes may have overplayed his hand. I don't think anyone else besides Buffalo is very interested in him at this time.

You "think" they are "getting close" to signing him... sounds like it may be a ways off, maybe even a day or more? I thought he said he would pick his team today.

[psubills62]

I can confirm that Coles has NOT visited Miami, as of this afternoon. Doesnt mean he won't sign with them, but he has not visited. I wouldnt read TOO much into that though.. Parcells already knows him, so why visit? He knows if he wants him or not.

But- I think the BIlls are getting close to signing him, and I think Coles' agent, Roosevelt Barnes may have overplayed his hand. I don't think anyone else besides Buffalo is very interested in him at this time.

Well this is good news...everything I've read basically says that Coles probably would want to play for Miami, but Miami isn't interested. The more I read, the more confident I get that we'll sign him....I need to stop, because I don't want to be disappointed.

[homeslice5484]

bryant johnson drama all over again? haha

[Michael82]

You "think" they are "getting close" to signing him... sounds like it may be a ways off, maybe even a day or more? I thought he said he would pick his team today.
Today isn't over. :D

[patmoran2006]

Holy crap. Per Greg Rosenthal at NBC SPorts, the Patriots may be getting ready to make a play for Julius Peppers.

NE has 4 first day draft picks and plenty of cap room to make something happen.. NOT good for the AFC East/

[Michael82]

Holy crap. Per Greg Rosenthal at NBC SPorts, the Patriots may be getting ready to make a play for Julius Peppers.

NE has 4 first day draft picks and plenty of cap room to make something happen.. NOT good for the AFC East/
Oh ****!!! :mad: :fit:


:puke:

[homeslice5484]

new england always finds a way forward, and we fall further behind them every year, even without brady!

[HHURRICANE]

Yep, Peppers in NE. Just Great. I'm sure our rookie LG can help handle him.

[SquishDaFish]

WTF!

[X-Era]

Yep, Peppers in NE. Just Great. I'm sure our rookie LG can help handle him.

Our rookie LG wont see the field unless Brian Waters gets injured. :up:

[patmoran2006]

UPDATE 5:24pm: Barnes (Coles' agent)and Overdorf are DEFINITELY in negotiations about money.

[Michael82]

UPDATE 5:24pm: Barnes (Coles' agent)and Overdorf are DEFINITELY in negotiations about money.
Come on Overdorf! Get er done! I want to see him officially signed tonight when I wake up and want to see a press conference tomorrow morning. :pray:

[X-Era]

UPDATE 5:24pm: Barnes (Coles' agent)and Overdorf are DEFINITELY in negotiations about money.

No way he discusses money unless he wants to be here!

The fact that they are talking money... I think its likley we sign him now.

[circlethewagons]

UPDATE 5:24pm: Barnes (Coles' agent)and Overdorf are DEFINITELY in negotiations about money.

Well that certainly sounds promosing

[Michael82]

BTW, Damn you for doing this to me patmoran. I wanted to go to sleep, but now I can't stop refreshing the page. :nervous:

[patmoran2006]

Damn.
the Giants signed Canty.

That gives them Canty, Michael Boley and Rocky Bernard this weekend.
With Justin Tuck and a healthy Osi? What a freegin front seven that is.

[Nighthawk]

UPDATE 5:24pm: Barnes (Coles' agent)and Overdorf are DEFINITELY in negotiations about money.

Don't get me excited for no reason, Pat! They better get this done and you're not allowed to sleep until you get the entire scoop!:D:

[homeslice5484]

GET HER DONE!! He might not have height, but he can play...and if he can play that means he demands attention by opposing defenses, which means more openings in the passing and running game. And he can help develop Stevie Johnson

[Michael82]

Sirius is NOW reporting that Miami is out of the running. :dance3:

http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthread.php?t=122180

[patmoran2006]

This BETTER happen before 6:30 or I'm done.

I have a little local high school piece that I have to get done tonight, so we'll see what happens in the next hour.

[homeslice5484]

pat we need you, you cant be done!

[homeslice5484]

you live in buffalo pat? I think we all need to take you out for a beer!

[patmoran2006]

Lets put it this way.
I am ALMOST ready to run a story on scout. I already submitted, contingent on his signing.

If It werent for the fact that I would get CRUCIFIED for reporting a signing that hasn't/doesn't happen, Id be running it this second.

Im ALMOST that confident Coles is going to be a Bill either tonight or early tomorrow.

[don137]

I am not a fan of Peppers joining the Patriots. As someone who has watched Peppers many many times over his career I have seen two sides of him. I think Peppers has a very similar playing mentality as Randy Moss. An unbelievable talent that takes plays off and would blow away the field if in the right stuation where he can stay motivated. Just like Moss I think NE is that right situation. You NEVER see NE players take plays off. I think Peppers would dominate in NE.

[DraftBoy]

Peppers to New England is the almost perfect scenario for them. He is completely out of the NFC and they would only have to see in the Super Bowl or once every 4 years. Only issue is that they play NE this season.

[homeslice5484]

pat, what does your friend say the environment is like at OBD? Are they running around like chickens with their heads cut off?

[acehole]

i would assume that mcgee's value would be at least 2million a year higher than greer, you have to think he was a pro bowl return man as well.

or we are ready to trade him.

[acehole]

HAs anybody talked about coles? I mean is he a legit # 2?

Still have stuff in the tank? can he YAC because he will be getting 4 yard bombs from the golden child....is he still fast?

Draftboy help put a grade on him..



Your not the only one man.
My wife is ready to shoot me.. I wasn't supposed to do ANYTHING sports related today, and take a total day off. But I'm convinced 100% there is something developing with Coles right NOW, so I can't leave. If it goes down, I want to have it up for here and my scout.com job before ANYWHERE else.

[Nighthawk]

HAs anybody talked about coles? I mean is he a legit # 2?

Still have stuff in the tank? can he YAC because he will be getting 4 yard bombs from the golden child....is he still fast?

Draftboy help put a grade on him..

IMO, he's a perfect #2 and good for this offense. He isn't a #1 and most teams are showing him that by not pursuing him. This would be a great signing.

[Wittman21]

lol aint that the truth

[DraftBoy]

HAs anybody talked about coles? I mean is he a legit # 2?

Still have stuff in the tank? can he YAC because he will be getting 4 yard bombs from the golden child....is he still fast?

Draftboy help put a grade on him..

Imo, Coles is the best option out there right now. He is similar to Evans to where he will go over the middle. He has good speed, and great hands. He is a hard worker and willing blocker and for the most part a team player but he will want to see his fair share of the balls. He is not a big target but he is effective in the red zone due to precise route running and great feel for the game in finding soft spots and exploiting coverage mistakes. I think he'd be a huge get for us.

[patmoran2006]

Two Updates:

1- Wow man.. I been told that a vet #2 WR is a HIGH priority at OBD, and if they fail to land Coles they will next turn their attention Marvin Harrison if he's still out there. They are bent on having Reed in the slot and a #2 WR who can get open more consistently.

2- I think any Harrison talk is premature and irrevelent, because I stand by my prediction based on everything I've heard, read and talked to that L. Coles is going to sign with the Bills.

And for the record, the more I investigated his stats, career and strengths, the more I like Coles.. I changed my mind.. I now think this would be an excellent pickup.

[homeslice5484]

we got stevie and hardy to groom behind him...and mr 3rd down in reed.....

what does this do for parrish and jenkins is the question...both are good on special teams only.

[homeslice5484]

pat....so they are working hard on this as we speak? Didnt we already make him an offer?

[patmoran2006]

6:05PM: UPDATE
The Bills have made their offer to Coles, and I think that is a three year offer.. They are now awaiting to hear word.

Do not know for certain and I could be wrong (I'm not there) but I THINK that Coles is in Buffalo right now. And from what I've heard Miami isn't in the running, so unless Barnes shopped Coles to another team that has bitten, I don't think there is any question.

Im going to wrap this all up because anything further becomes speculation. But if I were a TV Commentator and this was election night, and if Coles was a state, I'd just about be ready to "project Coles as going to Buffalo."

Of course, this could turn into Florida and election night 2000 all over again, LOL and I dont want to be that guy. I got a peice for Scout.com all ready to go, but its not going up until I have something concrete.

It's one thing to called a no talent hack by my friends in here (kind of funny too)- but it's another thing to get 500 emails after a Scout.com story saying the same thing for an erroneous report.

[homeslice5484]

cmon coles, sign the thing and be done with with...thats one less need we have to fill....and he can help develop stevie and james. More Stevie though I think. Can you imagine the redzone offense now that we can possibly get there:

Lee, Stevie, Hardy, and Coles - 2 guys with height and 2 other starting caliber WR.

[homeslice5484]

we will await your official : BILLS SIGN COLES post.

[patmoran2006]

TJ Who's Yer Momma is about to sign with Minnesota, according to a colleague at scout.

[Ickybaluky]

Two Updates:

1- Wow man.. I been told that a vet #2 WR is a HIGH priority at OBD, and if they fail to land Coles they will next turn their attention Marvin Harrison if he's still out there. They are bent on having Reed in the slot and a #2 WR who can get open more consistently.

2- I think any Harrison talk is premature and irrevelent, because I stand by my prediction based on everything I've heard, read and talked to that L. Coles is going to sign with the Bills.

And for the record, the more I investigated his stats, career and strengths, the more I like Coles.. I changed my mind.. I now think this would be an excellent pickup.

It makes sense that the Bills want to upgrade at WR. You throw to score in the NFL, and the Bills have struggled to throw. Coles would be a great compliment to Evans, as he is really quick and has great hands. He doesn't get deep much anymore, but is a crafty guy who can get open. He runs well with the ball once he catches it. Great fit, if you sign him.

[patmoran2006]

for the record, I am desperately trying to get a hold of Tim Graham right now, because whether you love him or hate him, NOBODY is more connected to contacts when it comes to the Bills than him. He's as solid as it gets in terms of reliability..

and in this case, he has contacts galore with Miami too, since he covered the team for a couple of season for the Palm Beach Post.

[Ickybaluky]

I am not a fan of Peppers joining the Patriots. As someone who has watched Peppers many many times over his career I have seen two sides of him. I think Peppers has a very similar playing mentality as Randy Moss. An unbelievable talent that takes plays off and would blow away the field if in the right stuation where he can stay motivated. Just like Moss I think NE is that right situation. You NEVER see NE players take plays off. I think Peppers would dominate in NE.

I would love for the Pats to get Peppers, but it is all speculation at this point, including the Rosenthal article (http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/03/could-patriots-make-bid-for-pe.html). There is nothing solid behind it.

The basis is:

1) Peppers wants out, and lists 4 teams he will go to as he wants to play for a 3-4 teams. One of those is in the AFC, so people are speculating it is the Pats.

2) Carolina is tight against the cap, mainly because Peppers' franchise tender is over $17M. They may be forced to deal him.

3) NE has lots of extra draft picks, and with Cassel and Vrabel being traded have a hole at OLB and a cap room.

That is it. However, the Pats also have some key players to re-sign, like Wilfork. Taking on Peppers would mean taking on his contract, so they would need to work out a deal with him as well as working out contracts with some key players. Do-able, but no small task.

This is a pipe dream at this point. There is nothing behind it at this point. I'd love for it to happen, but it isn't in the sphere of possibilities at this point.

[Nighthawk]

for the record, I am desperately trying to get a hold of Tim Graham right now, because whether you love him or hate him, NOBODY is more connected to contacts when it comes to the Bills than him. He's as solid as it gets in terms of reliability..

and in this case, he has contacts galore with Miami too, since he covered the team for a couple of season for the Palm Beach Post.

IMO...Graham is a great writer. I love his stuff and believe that most of the time he is right on the money.

[Nighthawk]

I would love for the Pats to get Peppers, but it is all speculation at this point, including the Rosenthal article (http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/03/could-patriots-make-bid-for-pe.html). There is nothing solid behind it.

The basis is:

1) Peppers wants out, and lists 4 teams he will go to as he wants to play for a 3-4 teams. One of those is in the AFC, so people are speculating it is the Pats.

2) Carolina is tight against the cap, mainly because Peppers' franchise tender is over $17M. They may be forced to deal him.

3) NE has lots of extra draft picks, and with Cassel and Vrabel being traded have a hole at OLB and a cap room.

That is it. However, the Pats also have some key players to re-sign, like Wilfork. Taking on Peppers would mean taking on his contract, so they would need to work out a deal with him as well as working out contracts with some key players. Do-able, but no small task.

This is a pipe dream at this point. There is nothing behind it at this point. I'd love for it to happen, but it isn't in the sphere of possibilities at this point.

It makes a lot of sense and that is why I believe that in the end, he'll end up there. They have a ton of picks and would be a team he'd love to play for. He's be an excellent addition to that team.

[acehole]

No worries on the running deep part...he wont be asked to...


It makes sense that the Bills want to upgrade at WR. You throw to score in the NFL, and the Bills have struggled to throw. Coles would be a great compliment to Evans, as he is really quick and has great hands. He doesn't get deep much anymore, but is a crafty guy who can get open. He runs well with the ball once he catches it. Great fit, if you sign him.

[X-Era]

for the record, I am desperately trying to get a hold of Tim Graham right now, because whether you love him or hate him, NOBODY is more connected to contacts when it comes to the Bills than him. He's as solid as it gets in terms of reliability..

and in this case, he has contacts galore with Miami too, since he covered the team for a couple of season for the Palm Beach Post.

Just found on another board that Tim is saying all is quiet at OBD.

"Doesn't mean they're not working on anything, just quiet for now ...

I have reason to believe the report that Miami doesn't want Coles.

I don't have any new info on Kendall Simmons."

[Ickybaluky]

No worries on the running deep part...he wont be asked to...

I agree, that is why I think he is such a good fit.

I love Coles. He is a very tough guy, and a strong WR. He has great hands, and people throw that around, but he really has them. He is quick and knows how to get open, and when he gets the ball in his hands he runs well with it. He gets a lot of big first downs and keeps drives going.

The only downside is lack of deep speed and maybe injury concern with his age. He get banged up a lot, but he is a tough guy and rarely misses games. He will play hurt.

[Nighthawk]

I can't see this dragging out much longer. With everyday that goes by, the money that's out there for Coles get's smaller.

[patmoran2006]

Just found on another board that Tim is saying all is quiet at OBD.

"Doesn't mean they're not working on anything, just quiet for now ...

I have reason to believe the report that Miami doesn't want Coles.

I don't have any new info on Kendall Simmons."
I just talked to Tim 10 minutes ago briefly, but it wasn't regarding Coles, it was regarding Waters.

I asked for contact info for Waters' agent, but Tim told me, "sadly, Brian Waters is represented... by Brian Waters." and that'll he stick his nose around to see what he can find.

[shelby]

Thanks for keeping us updated, Pat.

[realdealryan]

I am now hearing that Buffalo is still "very much in the mix" with Greer.

Isn't he in TB tonight?

[X-Era]

I just talked to Tim 10 minutes ago briefly, but it wasn't regarding Coles, it was regarding Waters.

I asked for contact info for Waters' agent, but Tim told me, "sadly, Brian Waters is represented... by Brian Waters." and that'll he stick his nose around to see what he can find.

Apparently John Clayton just said that the Bengals may make him an offer, and that the Fins did but the money wasnt right.

Then says it may go into Monday.

Please tell me your not hearing this too.

[patmoran2006]

Apparently John Clayton just said that the Bengals may make him an offer, and that the Fins did but the money wasnt right.

Then says it may go into Monday.

Please tell me your not hearing this too.
Miami is not interested in Coles, I have that on very reliable word.

The Bengals? Who knows.. If we start losing out on guys we covet to the Bengals, it really will be a sad day for this franchise.

[Oaf]

1- Wow man.. I been told that a vet #2 WR is a HIGH priority at OBD, and if they fail to land Coles they will next turn their attention Marvin Harrison if he's still out there. They are bent on having Reed in the slot and a #2 WR who can get open more consistently.
.

Best news I've heard for awhile.

Although, anyone else think this might be Peerless Price v2?

[homeslice5484]

bryant johnson all over again, hopes up and then we lose them.