My Wednesday Open FA Thread

[patmoran2006]

Didn't think Coles was a good fit anyways and never really wanted him here, especially not for the money he wanted.I agree if we had to overpay him, but he was definitely a good fit.. There are plenty of NFL people around the league that would say if you didnt count just speed and the ability to make 80yard TD plays, that Coles is a better all around WR than Lee Evans.

[raphael120]

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For ****s sake, Bills. Why waste your money flying all these people in and not signing them.

[jimbohastle51]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/04/benglas-sign-wr-coles/

coles signed with bengals for 4 yrs 28 million

[T-Long]

Coles 4 years 28 million!!! SCREW THAT! To the Bungles

[The Spaz]

WOW 8 million a year F that! I wanted Coles but an no more than 7. Jesus.

[patmoran2006]

I beat that famous ***** to the punch..

BTW, I agree. 7 million per?
F-That

[jimbohastle51]

WOW 8 million a year F that! I wanted Coles but an no more than 7. Jesus.

bengals got him for 7 million a year

[raphael120]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/04/benglas-sign-wr-coles/

coles signed with bengals for 4 yrs 28 million

7 million/year.

Wow. You can have him, Bungles.

[im8th2buffalo]

WOW 8 million a year F that! I wanted Coles but an no more than 7. Jesus.
4 x 7 = 28
4 x 8 = 32
Not worth either though.

[ddaryl]

heck 6 mil per season was pushing it... 7 is rediculous,

[T-Long]

WOW 8 million a year F that! I wanted Coles but an no more than 7. Jesus.
and where did you learn math??

[jimbohastle51]

we better sign june now!!!!! we need something good today, and not deshawn no knees foster and pat thomas (unless he is washing jerseys for the starters part time)

[Bills Juggernaut]

4 years 28 million? :poop:

Good, let the Bungals have him.

[homeslice5484]

ok im not mad about this one...lets get one who might actually be worth that?

[patmoran2006]

3:58PM: I would like to see the structure of Cole’s deal and how much of that is guaranteed money before making fun of the Bengals. Contracts are done funny. Like Peter King said, with Haynesworth’s contract, it is essentially a 4 year, 48 million dollar deal. So lets see other numbers first.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[The Spaz]

and where did you learn math??

Oh f you I was in hurry and pissed.

[jimbohastle51]

ok im not mad about this one...lets get one who might actually be worth that?

i agree, i would have been upset if we gave coles 7 million a season. it would be different if trent was a seasoned vet that was known to sling it, but getting a 7million a year compliment receiver really would be a waste of money at this point in trents developement, because he wouldnt get 7 million a year worth of catches and yards. come on bills sign June!!!!

[jimbohastle51]

coles probably got 7 million guaranteed in year 1.

[raphael120]

3:58PM: I would like to see the structure of Cole’s deal and how much of that is guaranteed money before making fun of the Bengals. Contracts are done funny. Like Peter King said, with Haynesworth’s contract, it is essentially a 4 year, 48 million dollar deal. So lets see other numbers first.<o:p></o:p>

Something tells me the Bills couldve had him if we had offered him that 4th year. Yawn...but alas, we are the Bills.

[Mudflap1]

3:58PM: I would like to see the structure of Cole’s deal and how much of that is guaranteed money before making fun of the Bengals. Contracts are done funny. Like Peter King said, with Haynesworth’s contract, it is essentially a 4 year, 48 million dollar deal. So lets see other numbers first.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

I agree. In theory... the Bengals could have just offered him more years than the Bills, same guaranteed money, just a flat $7 million per year instead of the shade-under-$7 mill the Bills offered for three years. Or, Cincy could have offered some roster bonus in the 4th year that he may never get to because Cincy could always cut him before the 4th year of the deal if they wanted. It's about the guaranteed money and roster bonuses, like Haynesworth.

Jon

[im8th2buffalo]

It is funny how quickly people correct mistakes on here.
Gotta love it.

[patmoran2006]

4:00pm: STILLLLLLLLLL awaiting word about today’s visits and if they will be speaking today.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[T-Long]

I can't believe Chris Brown doesn't have **** about anything. I say we all start sending him emails about it

[WeAreArthurMoates]

4:00pm: STILLLLLLLLLL awaiting word about today’s visits and if they will be speaking today.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

Urrg, man Pat clinging to your posts waiting to see if we signed June. I want Cato and I want him bad here.

[Mudflap1]

i agree, i would have been upset if we gave coles 7 million a season. it would be different if trent was a seasoned vet that was known to sling it, but getting a 7million a year compliment receiver really would be a waste of money at this point in trents developement, because he wouldnt get 7 million a year worth of catches and yards. come on bills sign June!!!!

Really? And I'm not picking on you personally, because this post is a microcosm of what we're seeing right now. The Bills offered $6.67 million per year, and the Bengals offered $7 million per year. So everyone on here was creaming their pants because the Bills offered $6.67 million per year, but when the Bengals offered $7 million per year the deal is way too outrageous for the Bills to consider making a counteroffer? Let's see the details of Coles' contract before we start changing our tune on how we all felt about Coles. We all wanted him here.

Jon

[WeAreArthurMoates]

The Bills offered $6.67 million per year,

Where did you see that I heard 6 million a year and that could of been pushing it.

[Mudflap1]

Pat reported 3 years, $20 million. $6.67 million per year (without seeing signing bonuses and other detail).

Jon

[patmoran2006]

Where did you see that I heard 6 million a year and that could of been pushing it.Who said we offered him $6.67 million per year? That's ridiculous. And inaccurate

[Mudflap1]

Did you not post 3 years, $20 million?

Jon

[homeslice5484]

im done with them....do they want to win?

[homeslice5484]

its gonna be funny when they cant sell out the stadium this season and ralph cries poor.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

Did you not post 3 years, $20 million?

Jon

No 3 years 18 million


im done with them....do they want to win?

Peace out!

Eric.

[jimbohastle51]

Really? And I'm not picking on you personally, because this post is a microcosm of what we're seeing right now. The Bills offered $6.67 million per year, and the Bengals offered $7 million per year. So everyone on here was creaming their pants because the Bills offered $6.67 million per year, but when the Bengals offered $7 million per year the deal is way too outrageous for the Bills to consider making a counteroffer? Let's see the details of Coles' contract before we start changing our tune on how we all felt about Coles. We all wanted him here.

Jon

yes we did all want him here, i was hoping 2 years 10 million 6guaranteed, i actually posted this a couple days ago. lets say our right and the difference was around 350k plus carson palmer throwing to you. i think it stinks that we lost out to the bengals and i think it stinks in general we didnt get him but do you honestly think next year trent would have gotten lee evans and coles enough catches to equal the 16 million (give or take alittle, not sure off hand what evans number is next year but its around 9 million) for 2 receivers. i honestly thought the bills lowballed him as we all did and he would eventually take that deal because no one was interested or he would pick us over the bengals i had no clue the bengals would give him 7 million a year, and i dont care what the contract works out to he'll get 7 million this he if its turns out to be a 1 year deal or he wouldnt have signed it.

[homeslice5484]

i didnt mean i was done rooting for the team, im done having faith in this front office and coaching staff to make decissions to win games.

[ddaryl]

I saw a 3 year 18 mil offer posted a few days ago, and I thought that was more then fair....

We just need a solid stop gap #2 while Johnson and Hardy get it together, not a 4 year commitment to a declining WR

[Slim]

Officailly Bryant Johnson V2.0

[Pinkerton Security]

i didnt mean i was done rooting for the team, im done having faith in this front office and coaching staff to make decissions to win games.

and then we sign june and trade for waters and you'd be all over their nuts.

[Mudflap1]

I saw a 3 year 18 mil offer posted a few days ago, and I thought that was more then fair....

We just need a solid stop gap #2 while Johnson and Hardy get it together, not a 4 year commitment to a declining WR

Alright, if it's 3 years, $18 million, then it is what it is. Then the Bengals offered $1M per year more... on paper (without seeing the detail on guarantees).

Jon

[patmoran2006]

matt Birk to Baltimore.

[jimbohastle51]

well lets focus on June now, hopefully by 8PM we have in in a bills uniform so we can actually say we upgraded at least 1 need position this offseason.

[homeslice5484]

i actually dont want june or waters and i have yet to like any FA signing we have...so no i wont be excited. They keep focusing on defense and ignore the offense. How do you win games if you cant score points?

I thought all these players loved playing for Father Jauron? Goes to show how players outside of the bills know Jauron cant win and this team cant win. Only the backups will come here cause they know they can start.

[patmoran2006]

Giants get CC BRown

Looks like a busy day again in FA, not for Buffalo though (to this point)

[DBrown77]

I dont think it was ever confirmed that we offered Coles 3 yrs 18 mil was it? Pat said he heard thats what we offered him, but couldnt confirm. i am pretty sure pat has made it clear when something is a rumor

[WeAreArthurMoates]

i didnt mean i was done rooting for the team, im done having faith in this front office and coaching staff to make decissions to win games.

Touche

[patmoran2006]

I dont think it was ever confirmed that we offered Coles 3 yrs 18 mil was it? Pat said he heard thats what we offered him, but couldnt confirm. i am pretty sure pat has made it clear when something is a rumor You are correct, and it was $20 over 3 years I heard.

[Slim]

Giants get CC BRown

Looks like a busy day again in FA, not for Buffalo though (to this point)

UGHH. Today is is Friday all over agian.

[homeslice5484]

Touche

Not only can Jauron not make decissions during games to win, he is ok going into the season with a bunch of backups playing starting roles, same broken systems, and no game changing additions.

[T-Long]

well we did announce Florence around 9pm...so plenty of time to get it done.

[T-Long]

Not only can Jauron not make decissions during games to win, he is ok going into the season with a bunch of backups playing starting roles, same broken systems, and no game changing additions.
Dude relax...free agency isn't even a week old yet!

[WeAreArthurMoates]

OBD, can we please get some info on June. Hook a brotha up.

[trapezeus]

anyone think that Ralph is getting the message about keeping a lame duck coach on for a season. I certainly get it.

We can not sign backups at this point because they think so lowly of Buffalo. Stupid Bills Front office wants it both ways. They want players to play for cheap, and they want cheap coaches. You got to spend on one of the two areas. Either get a kickass front office and win games and get player's desires to win at a lower cost, or get a **** front office and overpay for me only players past their prime.

I think we all know that second option doesn't really work. Talk to the big market teams of NYJ, Dallas, and Washington.

[Pinkerton Security]

i actually dont want june or waters and i have yet to like any FA signing we have...so no i wont be excited. They keep focusing on defense and ignore the offense. How do you win games if you cant score points?

I thought all these players loved playing for Father Jauron? Goes to show how players outside of the bills know Jauron cant win and this team cant win. Only the backups will come here cause they know they can start.

you dont want june or waters? Who the hell do you want? Coles I can understand. How can you not want Waters when we have a gaping hole at LG?

[jimbohastle51]

well we did announce Florence around 9pm...so plenty of time to get it done.

that is what i am hoping, around 8PM to see june signed

[Slim]

Mike Furrey here we come..

Brandon LLoyed anyone?

[homeslice5484]

its not that i dont want waters...but its frustrating they ignore other needs every year like TE and WR.....they created a huge hole releasing dockery and have yet to fill it...but they had bigger needs before creating that hole.

I understand Dockery was no good....but why are we creating more holes when we have too many already that they have been unable to fill for years?

That offense is dreadfull...they cant score or have sustained drives...yet they focus on the defense more than offense each year. I just dont understand.

[Griz78]

The way everyone is talking and frustrated, there shouldn't be any disappointment then when there is no football in a couple of years due to no CBA or down the line when the Bills move.

[Slim]

I'm going to the gym. Hopefully theres some good news when i get back.

[ddaryl]

The way everyone is talking and frustrated, there shouldn't be any disappointment then when there is no football in a couple of years due to no CBA or down the line when the Bills move.

I get really sick and tired of this self righteous bull****.

the goal and the only goal is to win championships and to constantly upgrade your team to achieve that.

Having a team just for the priveledge of having one is useless.

yes it will suck when/if the Bills are ripped away, but I GUARENTEE that I will not miss these bull**** years....

and if this team is not committed to winning championships then the only right thing for Ralph to do is sell the team now rahter then just go through the lame ass motions and actually make the team continually worse with a lesser chance of winning it all.

If Ralph Wilson is 200% committed to winning it all, then he has no right to hold the city and the fans of Buffalo hostage while he plays with his toy

I WANT A SUPERBOWL VICTORY THAT IS ALL THAT I WANT. I do not want to just be able to say at least we have a team...

[homeslice5484]

So who is left:

Miles Austin
Drew Bennet
Drew Carter
Ronald Curry
Bobby Engram
Mike Furrey
DJ Hackett
Ike Hilliard
Sam Hurd
Brandon Lloyd
Justin McCariens
Jerry Porter
Tab Perry
Toomer
Kelly Washington
Reggie Williams


How about that group?

[patmoran2006]

Jerry Porter could be intriguing.
Then again, we could've said that the past few years now with him.

[clumping platelets]

Drew Bennett :up:

[im8th2buffalo]

I just can't handle the tension in here. I just cant handle it, cant handle it, cant handle it.

Stop the bickering!
Nah! It is great!

I am really thinking that the Bills will sign someone today.
Hey we missed out on Coles
Oh Well. Lets move on and get some of our visitors from today.
June would be nice. I don't really see the trade for Waters working out, but we really could use him.
Lets hope that today is a free agency day to be proud of. Who knows what could really happen?

[homeslice5484]

Think the bills would be interested in anyone on that list? Not that much left to choose from.

[jimbohastle51]

kelley washington was already here for a visit. watch him be brought in and they will sell to us how great a receiver he is.

[im8th2buffalo]

After Reggie Williams' last arrest I don't see the Bills going after him.
Most on the list probably are not worth going after.

[patmoran2006]

4:40PM: from what Im being told, the buzz around OBD is how the Jets have improved their defense. They’ve picked up Bart Scott, Jim Leonhard and Lito Sheppard already (and also resigned guard Brandon Moore) They still need a QB, but some people are expecting them to go after Jeff Garcia as a short term solution.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[DBrown77]

if the Bills sign June tonight the attitude of this board will totally change like lastnight. Coles is gone. Who cares now. I say Mikey Furrey!

[jdbillsfan]

Draft Crabtree and call it a day.

[patmoran2006]

kelley washington was already here for a visit. watch him be brought in and they will sell to us how great a receiver he is.
No thank you.
Either get a guy who can be a #2, or just use Johnson more.
That is a move that would be a move just for the sake of making a move.

[homeslice5484]

so the bills are talking about how much better the jets are? Lets think about the jets and not our own team...thats a good plan buffalo. Wait, that has been the plan for years, watch others get better.

[jimbohastle51]

4:40PM: from what Im being told, the buzz around OBD is how the Jets have improved their defense. They’ve picked up Bart Scott, Jim Leonhard and Lito Sheppard already (and also resigned guard Brandon Moore) They still need a QB, but some people are expecting them to go after Jeff Garcia as a short term solution.<o:p></o:p>

then signing June should be a priority since there is NO impact offensive free agents left.

[clumping platelets]

A receiving threat at TE can help as well

[homeslice5484]

i have no problem letting stevie be the #2...i think he would do well.

He could have had a monster night on MNF when he started if Trentwould have thrown the ball down the field since his WR's were wide open down there most of the night.

There were a few times Stevie was jumping up and down down the field waiting for the ball.

[ddaryl]

4:40PM: from what Im being told, the buzz around OBD is how the Jets have improved their defense. They’ve picked up Bart Scott, Jim Leonhard and Lito Sheppard already (and also resigned guard Brandon Moore) They still need a QB, but some people are expecting them to go after Jeff Garcia as a short term solution.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

LMFAO

the buzz around our front office is about the how the Jets got better ???

I'm actually starting to cry right now

[DBrown77]

i have no problem letting stevie be the #2...i think he would do well.

He could have had a monster night on MNF when he started if Trentwould have thrown the ball down the field since his WR's were wide open down there most of the night.

There were a few times Stevie was jumping up and down down the field waiting for the ball. 10 catches, 102 yards, 2td's is his career. we need a Vet to take pressure off of Lee NOW. I am not confortable deeming Stevie the #2 next year

[jimbohastle51]

i am comfortable signing cato june, where the heck is the announcement!!!!! :)

[patmoran2006]

I am confident we're going to sign a WR in free agency. I dont think its something that will be addressed in the draft after having Hardy and Johnson drafted last year.

Dont ask me with who tho, it would total spec..

[Michael82]

Holy ****! I NEVER would have believed that Coles would get a 4-year deal, especially one for $7 million per year. That's crazy. Now I see why everyone else stayed away.

As for the Bills, they better now use that money to sign a vet like Toomer or trade for Holt. And I will be really pissed if they don't sign Cato June. He's perfect for us and it makes too much sense.

[ddaryl]

10 catches, 102 yards, 2td's is his career. we need a Vet to take pressure off of Lee NOW. I am not confortable deeming Stevie the #2 next year


the fact is the Bills coaches refused to give him a bigger role. heck even in the last 2 games of the season they didn't give him a shot to show a lot. Which to me is the bigger problem. When Reed went down mid-season they didn't give him more opportunities either...

its not that he couldn't have done more to prove to us, its the fact that the Bills stuck with there vets instead of seeing what they already had even after we new we weren't going to the playoffs.


It shows a serious lack of progressive thinking by our already despised coaching staff.

[acehole]

i have no problem letting stevie be the #2...i think he would do well.

He could have had a monster night on MNF when he started if Trentwould have thrown the ball down the field since his WR's were wide open down there most of the night.

There were a few times Stevie was jumping up and down down the field waiting for the ball.

Wow that is depressing to ponder.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

So Pat is June still in Buffalo or did he bounce out of that joint.

[jimbohastle51]

well dont worry because our coaching staff will only be here for one more year the way its looking.

[DBrown77]

Hey if we dont get June, we always have Alvin Bowen coming off of a Knee injury!

[homeslice5484]

yes we do need a vet, but i dont see the bills going after a good one, and not many are left.

So if we cant get one, I believe Stevie should play.

[patmoran2006]

So Pat is June still in Buffalo or did he bounce out of that joint.I dont know, Im trying to find out something right now.. No luck so far.

[im8th2buffalo]

What about Galloway?
He is a decent Veteran compared to some of the others.
I don't see him as the answer, but he would provide some veteran leadership for the younger guys.

[jimbohastle51]

I dont know, Im trying to find out something right now.. No luck so far.

god i hope we sign him.

[patmoran2006]

5:00PM- Per my colleague at scout.com, Adam- The Ravens deal for Matt Birk was 2 years, $9 million with $6m guaranteed. I think that’s a good deal for <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Baltimore</st1:place></st1:City>. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[Pinkerton Security]

god i hope we sign him.

im a pretty optimistic dude but right now I am begging for something to happen (ie. sign Cato ***** June).

[patmoran2006]

Cato June would be better than Ellison, but how much better does he really make this defense? Have we grown that desperate to root hardcore for Cato June?

At this point, a trade or two may be the best and perhaps only realistic way to greatly improve this football team.

[Mudflap1]

5:00PM- Per my colleague at scout.com, Adam- The Ravens deal for Matt Birk was 2 years, $9 million with $6m guaranteed. I think that’s a good deal for <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Baltimore</st1:place></st1:City>. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

Why couldn't the Bills have done that?

Jon

[WeAreArthurMoates]

The reason I am rooting is that he does not make us ellite but it's a start. He's much better than Keith and he was our worst Defensive player last year.

[homeslice5484]

0-6 in the division again?

[patmoran2006]

5:07PM- No news regarding any FA visits today<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
I’m out for a couple of hours, maybe something good will happen. This team makes my life just a touch more miserable than it already was.

[X-Era]

No problem with that, make the Holt move.

Hes better than Coles anyway.

[raphael120]

We're watching teams in our division leave us even further in the dust this season.

[EDS]

Cato June would be better than Ellison, but how much better does he really make this defense? Have we grown that desperate to root hardcore for Cato June?

At this point, a trade or two may be the best and perhaps only realistic way to greatly improve this football team.

Agreed on June. If anything, he gets the Bills back to what they think they had last off-season before Crowell decided to get surgery.

[BillsFanDew]

buffalobills.com has an interview up with June. I am at work and can't watch it, so if any one wants to share what he said, I would be grateful.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Why couldn't the Bills have done that?

Jon

Because, reportedly, Birk made it clear that he wasn't interested in visiting the Bills when they contacted him.


Now, you can say anything that you want about why Birk may have done that, but you can't blame the Bills for not contacting him. I guess you can blame them for not putting a gun to his (or any other player that they have shown interest in who has spurned them) head and made him sign a contract with them....

[Philagape]

We can blame them for making this franchise a league eyesore that's avoided like the plague.

[Mudflap1]

Because, reportedly, Birk made it clear that he wasn't interested in visiting the Bills when they contacted him.


Now, you can say anything that you want about why Birk may have done that, but you can't blame the Bills for not contacting him. I guess you can blame them for not putting a gun to his (or any other player that they have shown interest in who has spurned them) head and made him sign a contract with them....

That is correct. I was seeing if someone else would say it, since I've been getting flamed all day for being negative and saying nobody wants to come to Buffalo. Birk was adamant about it.

Whose fault is that? It's not Buffalo's fault for calling Birk, but it's Buffalo's fault for being a pathetic excuse for a franchise.

Jon

[Mr. Pink]

So Pat, seeing Coles is no longer an option...

What are the backup plans?

Holt? Harrison? Engram? Toomer?

[raphael120]

So Pat, seeing Coles is no longer an option...

What are the backup plans?

Holt? Harrison? Engram? Toomer?

Jenkins. Justin Jenkins.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Pat, thank you for all of the time and hard work that you have put in to trying to get reports for all of us here!!!

Please don't let all of the tension here and the pressure that some folks put on you while waiting for news get to you. And, don't be discouraged by all of the waiting for news that never seems to come. A lot of NFL beat reporters end up spending a lot of time sitting or standing around their team's HQ waiting for news or press conferences that never happen, trying to get news to write about on a deadline for their papers or columns, drinking bad coffee, soda pop, juice or bottled water all day and just ending up having a bunch of trips to the men's room to show for it!

Your reports, even when things don't pan out, are very much appreciated by me and, I think, by a whole lot of others here at the BZ. So, please keep posting whatever info that you get that you can share with us. And, again, thanks for what you have done already!!!

---And, to everyone else, please CHILL OUT!!! The Bills are going to do what they are going to do when they are going to do it. The players that they bring in are either going to sign or not going to sign with them when they and their agents make a decision on whether they will or will not sign with them.

It's not Pat's fault if he doesn't get news to report. So, give him a break and just be grateful that he might be able to get some news about what is happening behind the scenes.

And, keep in mind that--whether you like the Bills' FO, personnel people, coaching staff or R.Wilson or not--there are two sides to everything that is going on in these matters and there is a lot that goes into them that we do not and NEVER WILL know. The Bills (and that includes any one and all of the people cited above) can only do so much, regardless: they cannot put a gun to any player's head and make him take their money, even if they wanted to do so. They only have a certain degree of responsibility for what does or does not happen. And, while some things may, indeed, be their fault, they can't be blamed for everything or be held responsible for every factor that causes a player not to sign with the team (please don't let me start to list some of them--you should be aware of some of those reasons already).

I know that you desperately want the team to do things to improve their chances of winning next season. So do I. So does anyone who is a fan of the team. But, please calm down and try to keep an even keel here! Getting all worked up over something that you have no control over isn't going to change things and isn't good for your long-term (or in some cases short-term) health! And, taking your frustrations out on Pat or anyone else here isn't fair, either: for better or worse, we're all Bills fans!

[LifetimeBillsFan]

....Whose fault is that? It's not Buffalo's fault for calling Birk, but it's Buffalo's fault for being a pathetic excuse for a franchise.

Jon

True enough, but why don't you also drop the other shoe....

[jimbohastle51]

does anyone know if june is still in buffalo? hopefully he is still here. if you listen to his interview it sounds like hes going to be here. he talks about having to get to know the guys in the locker room and how he think mitchell is really good and also how the defense would allow him to make more plays since he would be playing the WLB which is the position derrick brooks played in tampa.

[DraftBoy]

Uhhh.. Which CB was that on our team that played well? Greer got torched WAY more than McGee... and you can call it an excuse all you want its the facts of football. No pass rush = completion.

So just so we're clear you can't name one WR he actually has shut down. I dont think he's a bad player and I will give you that the lack of a pass rush last season hurt him and Greer both, but he is not a #1 caliber CB in this league.

[Mr. Pink]

I remember seeing Greer do a decent job vs Moss...

AND...

McGee get torched by Ted Ginn Jr.

[DraftBoy]

I remember seeing Greer do a decent job vs Moss...

AND...

McGee get torched by Ted Ginn Jr.
McGee was hurt in that game though so Im not going to hold that against him.

[Luisito23]

Anyone but Toomer please...Even Harrison.

[patmoran2006]

St. Louis Dispatch reports Torry Holt is asking for his release.
If that happens, the BIlls should be looking at him about 2.5 seconds later.

[Mr. Pink]

I'd still like for them to take a look at Engram at this point.

[Mudflap1]

Holt had an average NFL year last year for a starting WR (but the Rams were horrible). Every other year he's been great. I'm all for it. Give him his golden parachute contract, give him a couple roster bonuses down the road, and if he pans out for a couple years, great, you can always cut him a few years down the line.

Jon

[WeAreArthurMoates]

Pat any word on if June is still in town or did he catch the next flight outta here.

[patmoran2006]

Yer guess is as good as mine right now.
He spoke for 5 minutes and joked he has 30 other teams to see.. I have no clue if he's here or not, if we're signing him or not.. I got nothing right now

[Michael82]

Yer guess is as good as mine right now.
He spoke for 5 minutes and joked he has 30 other teams to see.. I have no clue if he's here or not, if we're signing him or not.. I got nothing right now
That's depressing. Out of curiousity, what did you hear yesterday about Florence? Were you surprised that he signed last night? Or were you getting word that he would sign?

[homeslice5484]

what about WR options?

[Saratoga Slim]

Holt had an average NFL year last year for a starting WR (but the Rams were horrible). Every other year he's been great. I'm all for it. Give him his golden parachute contract, give him a couple roster bonuses down the road, and if he pans out for a couple years, great, you can always cut him a few years down the line.

Jon

Talk about adding the right kind of guy to mentor the youngsters. He's a great route runner and by all accounts an incredibly hard worker. I'd be really excited if we added him.

On the one hand, I'd think it would be a tough competition for his services, and we'd probably have to pay somewhere between what Coles and TJ got. On the other hand, this is a deep class of WRs, and a lot of teams may just be waiting for the draft. There really didn't seem to be a huge market for TJ & Coles.

[Mudflap1]

His stats are top-notch except for last year, which were average. I'd still take him. This organization wouldn't be able to do any better.

As long as Holt doesn't put that dress back on for the press conference... this would be a good move.

Jon

[jimbohastle51]

i have a feeling that we are signing June. after listening to his interview especially the first minute or 2 it is obvious that he knows they want him and he joked at the end of the interview that he has 30 more visits lined up (obviously he knows we are about his only option and that was the joke), i think he will be are real good addition to the team and solidify our LB corps.

[ct bills fan]

Don't let Holt reach free agency. Throw STL a late round pick and let them save face. Rotoworld says STL is looking to cut ties with Pace and Holt and both could be had for a mid round pick. I don't know if this is believable, and we certainly don't need Pace, but it is intriguing.

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/around-the-horns/around-the-horns/2009/03/sure-looks-like-st-louis-rams-are-shopping-pace-holt/

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=394

[jimbohastle51]

isnt happening, i wish it would but if the bills trade a 5th round pick for TORRY HOLT it would hurt us from getting a core special teamer LOL!!!!

[DBrown77]

Would anyone be opposed to offering a 2nd round pick to Lance Moore from the Saints? He is a RFA and would be cheaper than Edwards

[ct bills fan]

I wouldn't give up a 2nd rounder - that's more than likely are new TE. Maybe a later pick, but, Why wo. N.O. trade him?

[homeslice5484]

give a later pick for holt, if hes gonna be released anyways they will take it.

[jimbohastle51]

thing is he can still veto the trade if he doesnt want to play for us. just like ken lucas did to the lions. he can just say i am not going to show up there (like darwin walker). it sucks but the only way to get him will be to give him 6-7 million a year probably over 4 years, he will want at least coles money if not more.

[Saratoga Slim]

Would anyone be opposed to offering a 2nd round pick to Lance Moore from the Saints? He is a RFA and would be cheaper than Edwards

He had a fantastic year in '09, and is a great possession receiver. I just wonder how much of his success was related to Drew Brees.

[Saratoga Slim]

give a later pick for holt, if hes gonna be released anyways they will take it.

Holt would fit our purposes of filling while last year's 2nd rounder and Stevie Johnson develop. Adding Lance Moore would feel more like we were giving up on Hardy already. That said, if it happened, I wouldn't cry much.

[jimbohastle51]

Holt would fit our purposes of filling while last year's 2nd rounder and Stevie Johnson develop. Adding Lance Moore would feel more like we were giving up on Hardy already. That said, if it happened, I wouldn't cry much.

good point slim, figure you'll have to give up at least a second and possibly a 1st (no way they tendered him anything under a 2nd rounder or he would have been tendered by another team already) and then you have to give him an extension which will be a handsome one and he is deserving of it. not something the bills would be interested in. they are looking for a 2 stop gap vet from what it looks like.

[Bone]

give a later pick for holt, if hes gonna be released anyways they will take it.

How this organization runs? Hell No. They will wait for him to hit FA and we will throw him a 2 year 1.5 million contract knowing there dumb asses, I swear a bunch of us should mail in fake resumes for the front office positions.