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  • X-Era
    What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
    • Feb 2005
    • 27670

    The salary cap is a joke!

    Consider this for a moment.

    The current rend in the NFl is to simply franchise tag the players you do not want to lose. Some teams perpetually franchise tag players to prevent losing them.

    Teams manage to find players that develop into starters or even pro-bowlers and then simply franchise tag them to keep them. That all seems well and good. Except that the salary cap is high enough to allow teams to do this every year and still be competitive. One of the concepts of the salary cap is to level the playing field. Instead, we are now to the point where a perpetual deep playoff or even SB team is able to franchise a backup QB to the tune of 14.6 million. Thats not the purpose of the salary cap.

    Effectively, whats happening is that teams that have a very good team are able to let so so players leave and tag their very good players, the free agent market becomes watered down, and teams that are deperate to add top notch talent never get a chance to.

    That forces teams to rely heavily on the draft which is not a bad thing. But you must build your por-bowlers from within and then retain them through huge resignings or the franchise tag. If your a team that cant spend up to the exorbanant cap, or if you simply choose not to, you let your own best players leave and then cant replace them due to the watered down pool.

    The Bills are caught in a catch 22 at this point. They are not poor eneough to be in a position to draft the next Matt Ryan, Patrick Willis, or Julius Peppers, and none of those players will ever hit free agency. They obviously have caused their own problems with multiple mistakes over the years, but the system doesnt help byt any means.

    I sincerely hope the new CBA drops the salary cap way back and forces teams to make prudent and wise decisions where they cant keep everybody due strictly to the cap. Unfortunately, right now the only people benefiting from the huge cap are the rich teams. Top tier players who are due to hit free agency are stuck signing a franchise tag with no long term commitment. Teams that made mistakes in drafting cant add the young and extremely talented players because they never hit the market. And teams that dont have the money to spend up to the cap cant always afford the huge franchise tags to keep their best players.

    I wouldnt mind seeing teams be forced to forfiet a draft pick or even pick(s) if they tag the same player more than once. I also wouldnt mind seeing teams be able to spend over the cap for a player that they really want but cant afford by forfeiting a pick or pick(s).

    I dont want teams to not be able to keep their own because of the cap, but I also dont want them to abuse the franchise tags because they have more money then lots of other teams. If Carolina wanted to keep Peppers, they would have to forfeit a 2nd or maybe even 1st rounder this year because they choose not to resign him and would go over the new lower cap figure.

    Something like that.

    My point is that its ridiculous for the Pats to be able to get away with franchise tagging a backup QB for 14.6 million, and then trading him and getting more draft picks out of it. The purpose is to level the playing field and that is an abuse of the system.

    Right now, all the good players get franchised, and teams cant get better quick. But teams like Carolina are simply franchising their top guy year after year becausethey refuse to pay him what hes worth and wont let anyone else either.

    The systems broke, its not good for the game.

  • clumping platelets

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    Re: The salary cap is a joke!

    The salary cap is a joke!


    Dem fightin' wurds

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    • LtFinFan66
      Registered User
      • Mar 2005
      • 47199

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      • X-Era
        What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
        • Feb 2005
        • 27670

        #4
        Re: The salary cap is a joke!

        Originally posted by clumping platelets
        The salary cap is a joke!


        Dem fightin' wurds
        No, people who do the work to figure out what weve spent and how much we have are THE BOMB!!!

        What IS a joke is the current system

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        • justasportsfan
          Registered User
          • Jul 2002
          • 71629

          #5
          Re: The salary cap is a joke!

          Originally posted by EdwardsEra
          My point is that its ridiculous for the Pats to be able to get away with franchise tagging a backup QB for 14.6 million, and then trading him and getting more draft picks out of it. The purpose is to level the playing field and that is an abuse of the system.
          Huh? they drafted them, they developed them, they should be able to have the ability to decide what to do with that player. These players aren't complaining because the Pats are the ones responsible for making them superstars and earning huge contracts elsewhere.



          I don't have a problem with awarding smart teams. If ralphy was smart about picking good FO's we wouldn't have a problem. It's his fault for getting rid of Polian.You level the playing field by hiring smart people. Hire idiots and you deserve to be where you're at.
          Last edited by justasportsfan; 03-06-2009, 06:09 PM.
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          • Mr. Pink
            Peterman Sucks!
            • Mar 2006
            • 35303

            #6
            Re: The salary cap is a joke!

            The system is fine.

            Every team is on a level playing field, talent wise, the cap is covered by the TV contracts.

            If you have a FO and scouting department as inept as ours, you see the results.

            Lowering the cap would just put more money into the cheap owners of the league, like Wilson, D. Brown in Cincy for example, pockets.

            Raising the cap would allow big market teams to buy whatever players they want year after year.

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            • X-Era
              What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
              • Feb 2005
              • 27670

              #7
              Re: The salary cap is a joke!

              On second thought, keep the cap at its current level and get rid of the tag system all together!

              Teams that are rich will have to spend top dollar for their top free agents and teams that dont have any top players will get a shot at them every year.

              Hell, if you reduce the cap AND get rid of the tags, and make revenue sharing work everyone wins!

              poor teams can compete, rich teams are capped, and great free agents hit the market every year!

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              • Ickybaluky
                Registered User
                • Jul 2003
                • 8884

                #8
                Re: The salary cap is a joke!

                This is the last year of the cap, so you don't have to worry much longer.

                That said, it is a little silly to make the argument that the salary cap is responsible for the issues the Bills have had in the last decade. Consider the track record of teams turning it around in the NFL in a short period of time (hello, Miami and Atlanta). Consider Pittsburgh, who has managed to be a great team for a long time despite playing in a small market. Arizona was just in the Super Bowl for crying out loud.

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                • justasportsfan
                  Registered User
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 71629

                  #9
                  Re: The salary cap is a joke!

                  Originally posted by EdwardsEra
                  On second thought, keep the cap at its current level and get rid of the tag system all together!

                  Teams that are rich will have to spend top dollar for their top free agents and teams that dont have any top players will get a shot at them every year.

                  Hell, if you reduce the cap AND get rid of the tags, and make revenue sharing work everyone wins!

                  poor teams can compete, rich teams are capped, and great free agents hit the market every year!
                  If poor teams are smart with the tag, it can be their best friend. Again, it's boils down to having a smart FO.
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                  • X-Era
                    What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 27670

                    #10
                    Re: The salary cap is a joke!

                    Originally posted by justasportsfan
                    Huh? they drafted them, they developed them, they should be able to have the ability to decide what to do with that player. These players aren't complaining because the Pats are the ones responsible for making them superstars and earning huge contracts elsewhere.



                    I don't have a problem with awarding smart teams. If ralphy was smart about picking good FO's we wouldn't have a problem. It's his fault for getting rid of Polian.You level the playing field by hiring smart people. Hire idiots and you deserve to be where you're at.
                    So you think the NFL can claim we have an actual working cap when the Pats had over 21 million locked up in 2 QB's with one sitting the bench?

                    No.

                    I also dont mind rewarding smart teams, but teams should be forced to make tough decisions and everyone should have about the same payroll... thats the purpose of the cap. You also should only be able to franchise tag a player if you have the cap room BEFORE the tag is placed on a player.

                    Its simply counter productive for teams to have top notch players across many positions and still be able to use the franchise tag.
                    Last edited by X-Era; 03-06-2009, 06:24 PM.

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                    • X-Era
                      What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 27670

                      #11
                      Re: The salary cap is a joke!

                      Originally posted by NE39
                      This is the last year of the cap, so you don't have to worry much longer.

                      That said, it is a little silly to make the argument that the salary cap is responsible for the issues the Bills have had in the last decade. Consider the track record of teams turning it around in the NFL in a short period of time (hello, Miami and Atlanta). Consider Pittsburgh, who has managed to be a great team for a long time despite playing in a small market. Arizona was just in the Super Bowl for crying out loud.
                      I never made that arguement.

                      I said that its counter-productive to be stacked as far as talent and still be allowed to use the tag, and then have a watered down free agent class year after year.

                      The purpose is for a level playing field.

                      Both the teams you mention just used the franchise tag and helped to water down the free agent class. Dansby was the #2 OLb available, and Starks was a top 3 OT.

                      Arizona was able to tag Dansby BEFORE spending top dollar on their franchise QB. They should have been forced to make a choice. How many sub-500 teams have a franchise QB AND a top tier OLB? Can you name one?
                      Last edited by X-Era; 03-06-2009, 06:34 PM.

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                      • X-Era
                        What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 27670

                        #12
                        Re: The salary cap is a joke!

                        Originally posted by FunTimesYaY!
                        The system is fine.

                        Every team is on a level playing field, talent wise, the cap is covered by the TV contracts.

                        If you have a FO and scouting department as inept as ours, you see the results.

                        Lowering the cap would just put more money into the cheap owners of the league, like Wilson, D. Brown in Cincy for example, pockets.

                        Raising the cap would allow big market teams to buy whatever players they want year after year.
                        I missed the downside.

                        Putting more money back into cheap owners is bad? If the FO sucks, the Bills would still screw it up and it wouldnt matter. Yet Dallas, Wash, and the Pats would also be forced to make tough decisions.

                        Cheap owners would be right back on the same playing field with the rich owners.

                        How is that bad for the on field product?

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                        • MikeInRoch
                          Registered User
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 10446

                          #13
                          Re: The salary cap is a joke!

                          Originally posted by EdwardsEra
                          So you think the NFL can claim we have an actual working cap when the Pats had over 21 million locked up in 2 QB's with one sitting the bench?

                          No.

                          I also dont mind rewarding smart teams, but teams should be forced to make tough decisions and everyone should have about the same payroll... thats the purpose of the cap. You also should only be able to franchise tag a player if you have the cap room BEFORE the tag is placed on a player.

                          Its simply counter productive for teams to have top notch players across many positions and still be able to use the franchise tag.
                          The reason they were able to do that is because they were so smart they could field a competitive team while still being well under the cap.

                          You are really off base here.
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                          • X-Era
                            What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 27670

                            #14
                            Re: The salary cap is a joke!

                            Originally posted by MikeInRoch
                            The reason they were able to do that is because they were so smart they could field a competitive team while still being well under the cap.

                            You are really off base here.
                            And that is why I said the cap is way too high.

                            A starting and backup QB with an annual salary of 21+ mill combined while having so many other great players too is not good for the league. The salary cap should not allow that.

                            You simply made the arguemeht that the cap is set way too high. Besides, you assumed that the Pats were able to tag Cassel because they had the cap space at the time they gave him the tag, Im not sure thats true.
                            Last edited by X-Era; 03-06-2009, 06:45 PM.

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                            • Akhippo
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                              • Nov 2002
                              • 838

                              #15
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                              NE is just smarter. They flip late round picks, they dont overpay for inferior talent. They succeed in drafting first rounders, buffalo has failed miserably. If we drafted first round talent with our first rounders just this decade we would not be were we are right now. Mike Williams/JP/McGahee/Flowers/Clements/McCargo. That is our problem. Period, point blank. You turn those 6 picks into starters and we have very few holes to fill. Turn a couple of late round QBs into starters and you win superbowls.
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