Good Bye Bills

[Pride]

This was the final straw. I was having a hard enough time supporting the Bills with all of the B.S. going on this off-season already.

I will not support T.O. being a Bill.

The organization just sold its soul to the Devil. I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team.

[SeatownBillsFan21]

see ya your bad buddy

[Dr. Lecter]

How does he push you over the edge if Lynch?

[Lexwhat]

Okay.

[kgun12]

This was the final straw. I was having a hard enough time supporting the Bills with all of the B.S. going on this off-season already.

I will not support T.O. being a Bill.

I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team.

I agree Pride! I was making the same point in another thread! So what team do we adopt?

[Bulldog]

Late!

[mikemac2001]

This was the final straw. I was having a hard enough time supporting the Bills with all of the B.S. going on this off-season already.

I will not support T.O. being a Bill.

The organization just sold its soul to the Devil. I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team.



Wow you act like he killed someone grow up

i dont like him but 1 yr deal to help ill take

[Yasgur's Farm]

Bubbye now!

[Crisis]

if he makes us a playoff team i couldn't care less, and i hate the guy.

[venis2k1]

OVER REACTION

[X-Era]

This was the final straw. I was having a hard enough time supporting the Bills with all of the B.S. going on this off-season already.

I will not support T.O. being a Bill.

The organization just sold its soul to the Devil. I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team.

Dont ditch them based on a one year deal man... Lets see what happens.

At the very least, our offense will be relevant again. The team just made the other AFCE teams shake in their boots. They will be crapping their pants now.

[The King]

Get it together Pride.

TO improved this football team End of Story. This character **** has done nothing in terms of turning this team around. Lets put talent of the field and see what happens

[soapman]

Peace. Go T.O.!!!!

[trapezeus]

owens is just a talker, never breaks the law.

i'd rather have him than a player who can't stay out of trouble.

if TO is at top form in a year to prove that he's a good receiver and get a better contract next year, then we're in good shape.

TO is a better fit than a small Coles.

[IA_Bills]

I am pleased. T.O. will drestically improve Trent Edwards stats and open the field for Evans. I have always been an Evans fan, but maybe he will be better suited as a #2.

Finally, my favorite receiver is on my favorite team. These last couple years have been hell.

[Lexwhat]

lol what a joke this thread is.

This is the best move the Bills have made in years. Goodbye kgun and crisis.

[X-Era]

I still am at a loss for words but Im always able to change my thinking.

When you said this, my immediate thought is this:

This is a road that we have never gone done at OBD. This is new.

I dont get to say now that "if you do what youve always done, you get what youve always got".

The one thing I will say is that TO was not that much of a problem in Dallas.

Could he become like Randy Moss is to NE and just be silent and play?

[Yasgur's Farm]

Make no mistake.... EVANS IS #1 AND $6.5M PROVES IT!!

[sdbillsfan2]

Will you leave forwarding addresses ?
Hell, we've had murderers. child molesters , drunks and every other kind of lo life on Bills teams before and now folks stop being fans because of T.O. ? WTF ? Relax ...heck you and TO probably won't even be neighbors ....lol

[TacklingDummy]

TO should have been in a Bills uniform 4 years ago.

[kgun12]

To all that are happy about this, let me ask you a question, how does this help us. It didn't help Philly or Dallas and they had FAR more talent and higher profile players then we have and they couldn't keep him in check or might I add win a super bowl. He tore up the Cowboys and even the whore that is Jerry Jones wasn't willing to put up him him anymore. Hell he had to take a 9 millon dollar salary cap hit and he was still willing to let him go! So again how is this going to help this orginization that is so weak from the coaching staff on up? He is going to crew this team up!

[Michael82]

TO is only here on a 1-year deal and will show the league that he can be a good little boy. I think he'll be on his best behavior so he gets a new, rich contract next year....

[Forward_Lateral]

LOL, The Bills don't sign anyone, people get pissed. Then, they sign one of the best WRs in the game, and people *****.

Ralph is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. I'm sure someone will find a way to spin this signing into Ralph is cheap, or only signed TO to put buts in the seats...

[Dr. Lecter]

To all that are happy about this, let me ask you a question, how does this help us. It didn't help Philly or Dallas and they had FAR more talent and higher profile players then we have and they couldn't keep him in check or might I add win a super bowl. He tore up the Cowboys and even the whore that is Jerry Jones wasn't willing to put up him him anymore. Hell he had to take a 9 millon dollar salary cap hit and he was still willing to let him go! So again how is this going to help this orginization that is so weak from the coaching staff on up? He is going to crew this team up!

I don't disagree, but he usually does that stuff in year 3.

And this organization was screwed up without him too. Will they be worse this year? It is a big gamble for sure.

[kgun12]

LOL, The Bills don't sign anyone, people get pissed. Then, they sign one of the best WRs in the game, and people *****.

Ralph is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. I'm sure someone will find a way to spin this signing into Ralph is cheap, or only signed TO to put buts in the seats...

Did all you people drink the Kool-Aid? Doesn't anyone remember all the problems in SF, Philly and Dallas? He tore 3 teams apart. I don't know what is worse, the fact that we signed him or that people are happy. I do know both give me a sick feeling! I won't to win as much as anyone, but I'm not willing to lower my principals or standards just to win. That would be called whore-like!

[mysticsoto]

Did all you people drink the Kool-Aid? Doesn't anyone remember all the problems in SF, Philly and Dallas? He tore 3 teams apart. I don't know what is worse, the fact that we signed him or that people are happy. I do know both give me a sick feeling! I won't to win as much as anyone, but I'm not willing to lower my principals or standards just to win. That would be called whore-like!
Kgun, we have not forgotten the things TO has done. But we also have not forgotten that we suck...and have sucked for almost a decade now!!! We need talent. Those other teams you mentioned already had talent on offense. I like this for a number of reasons:

Number 1 - we'll finally get to see if Trent is our franchise QB. No more excuses about him not having anyone to throw to b'cse Evans is double covered.

Number 2 - Hardy was clearly not going to be ready for TC and likely not for the start of the season. We are likely to be short Lynch also. Johnson may have improved, but who is to say how much. This allows both Johnson and Hardy to learn from a greatly skilled receiver. As much as anyone can talk about the antics of him in the locker room, just about everyone has to respect his play on the field. He is good, regardless of the other negative aspects he brings with him. For Hardy and Johnson, it might be a good learning experience for them to see how he prepares himself for games, etc.

Number 3 - the best thing of all, is that it is a 1 yr deal - otherwise I might be agreeing w/you about the cancerous side of it all that he brings. A 1 yr deal means if he becomes a headache, he is done with at the end of the year and we don't have to worry about salary cap hits, etc.

Oh and Number 4 - the Bills will finally get more exposure from the networks both positive and negative - but atleast we'll get more exposure.

[Philagape]

Quitters are worse than TO.

[camelcowboy]

See ya

[SquishDaFish]

See ya!! He has made this team 100% better. We suck so why not take a chance. And its a 1 year deal so hes going to want to behave and work his ass off for a big payday.

[lordofgun]

This isn't the first time I've seen this thread.

[DrGraves]

HAHAHAHA... wow abandoning your team the moment they actually try to do something to improve. I think you must enjoy watching teams suck and struggle.

[ParanoidAndroid]

A little bit melodramatic, don't you think?

[ddaryl]

a new team... I would give up watching football all together before I ever gave up on the Bills. I might dissaporve of the Bills and their operations but I only watch football because I am emotionally bonded with the city of Buffalo...

Ownes is not the devil either. Sure he throws a tantrum, but at least he is not getting busted with drugs, or running someover with his SUV...

now Micheal Vick is the devil...

[mayotm]

This was the final straw. I was having a hard enough time supporting the Bills with all of the B.S. going on this off-season already.

I will not support T.O. being a Bill.

The organization just sold its soul to the Devil. I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team.Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[Dujek]

Did all you people drink the Kool-Aid? Doesn't anyone remember all the problems in SF, Philly and Dallas? He tore 3 teams apart. I don't know what is worse, the fact that we signed him or that people are happy. I do know both give me a sick feeling! I won't to win as much as anyone, but I'm not willing to lower my principals or standards just to win. That would be called whore-like!

T.O. instantly makes this team better. There was no way that the Bills were going to the playoffs with the talent that was in place, and signing him is a sign to other FAs out there that we are serious about winning.

And if he causes dissension in the locker room we'll finally see the back of Jauron. Win-win situation.

[lordofgun]

Excellent point, dujek!

[Buffalogic]

Take a hike.


ps. nobody cares.

[homeslice5484]

adios

[EricStratton]

This isn't the first time I've seen this thread.



Between these stupid threads and the "I'm leaving the board because someone hurt my feelings/spoke bad about me/wasn't treated fairly/other pissing and moaning it's sad.

People ***** for the stupidest things.

[MikeInRoch]

I'm failing to see how TO is more of a 'devil' than say, Ray Lewis, Michael Vick, or even Marvin Harrison.

[DrGraves]

He'll coming crawling back when T.O. and Lee haul in a few TD's and a hundred yards a piece in the openner

[psubills62]

I'll try to make sure the door hits you on the way out...

[chernobylwraiths]

lol what a joke this thread is.

This is the best move the Bills have made in years. Goodbye kgun and crisis.

:rofl:

poor crisis

[BAM]

Sorry to hear it man. I myself am ecstatic that he's a Bill and am excited to see them get to work! This could be the boost we need to at least get us to the playoffs. From there you never know.

[chernobylwraiths]

To all that are happy about this, let me ask you a question, how does this help us. It didn't help Philly or Dallas and they had FAR more talent and higher profile players then we have and they couldn't keep him in check or might I add win a super bowl. He tore up the Cowboys and even the whore that is Jerry Jones wasn't willing to put up him him anymore. Hell he had to take a 9 millon dollar salary cap hit and he was still willing to let him go! So again how is this going to help this orginization that is so weak from the coaching staff on up? He is going to crew this team up!

Helped take Philly to a SB.

[Tatonka]

This was the final straw. I was having a hard enough time supporting the Bills with all of the B.S. going on this off-season already.

I will not support T.O. being a Bill.

The organization just sold its soul to the Devil. I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team.

good deal. take care pride. football is a game we watch for enjoyment.. if you will not enjoy it.. then walk.. so see you later.

[Tatonka]

Quitters are worse than TO.


hahaha... so true..

people that start threads like this are drama queens that are just like TO.. :rofl:

you dont want to root for the bills anymore.. ok.. why are you still here posting.. just dont come back.

[THATHURMANATOR]

This was the final straw. I was having a hard enough time supporting the Bills with all of the B.S. going on this off-season already.

I will not support T.O. being a Bill.

The organization just sold its soul to the Devil. I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team.
GOOD RIDDANCE TO ANOTHER BANDWAGON *****!!!!

[FlyingDutchman]

Im conflicted about this as well, but I would never just drop the bills.

No offense but starting a thread like this is like people who say theyre going to kill themselves and then stand at the ledge for a long time til someone talks them out of it. Its all for attention. Youll be back.

[FlyingDutchman]

Thurm wouldnt this be the opposite of a bandwagoner?

[BSU Drew]

TOodles!

[THATHURMANATOR]

No true fan would ever drop the team because of a player signing anyways man.

[Mr. Pink]

T.O. does many things for the Bills.

Increases fan support. Makes us nationally respected and known. Increases merchandise sales. Increase ticket sales. Makes the on field product better.

This is exactly the type of move a franchise that is where we are across the board absolutely NEEDED to make. Both business and football wise.

[THATHURMANATOR]

T.O. does many things for the Bills.

Increases fan support. Makes us nationally respected and known. Increases merchandise sales. Increase ticket sales. Makes the on field product better.

This is exactly the type of move a franchise that is where we are across the board absolutely NEEDED to make. Both business and football wise.
:bf1:

[chernobylwraiths]

Pride will be back, and I don't think he is a drama queen. He is upset that the Bills picked up a guy that lacks class and is a total egomaniac who is only interested in himself. Every fan thinks differently for every signing and he is no different.

I actually kind of agree with him. While I hold no love for Owens or his antics, I cannot discount that he is an immensely talented player and that since I have no power to change the move, I will accept it an go on. I will look at it as only a fan can, that hopefully he helps turn this team into a winner sooner rather than later, especially since he only has a one year contract. I will try to look at it as a supremely gifted player that will probably be in the Hall of Fame that is going to be on my team.

And if all else fails, if nothing else, this team will be completely different next year with new coaches.

[DrGraves]

Being a Bills fan doesn't mean you have to be a fan of all of their players....

I mean I've hated on T.O. as much as the next guy... I don't like Denney, Kelsay, Peters... but maybe thats just because they suck IMO. But I'm still a Bills fan.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Thurm wouldnt this be the opposite of a bandwagoner?
No it is the direct definition. Bandwagon *****es jump off the wagon at some point right?

[Dude]

Athletes aren't role models.

[Night Train]

I Love :beer:

[CoolBreeze]

To those leaving the BILLS over T.O., let's see, did you cheer for Lynch last year, knowing that he committed a hit and run? Did you cheer for Travis Henry, Willis McGahee and Eric Moulds when they were fathering kids everywhere? Did you cheer for Jim Kelly many years ago, when he made his mistakes? Did you cheer for Bruce Smith, even though he never honored the full term of 1 contract he ever signed? Has Terrell Owens ever done these things? NO. Is he selfish, YES, Does he make others around him better.. YES. The fact is, this team needs a vocal guy. Someone to tell Jason Peters to wake up and hold a block for once. Someone to question to the stupid and predictable play calls that go on. Has anyone ever considered that this guy is a small town guy (Alexander City, Alabama) a small college guy (UT-Chattanooga). Now he's with a small market team, where if he screws up, his career is over. T.O. is loyal, and passionate. Sure he has a big mouth and want's boatloads of money, who here doesn't? I can think of many many more Buffalo Bills and other Professional athletes that are far worse human beings than Terrell Owens. So leave if you must. Your quotes here will be remembered.

[tat2dmike77]

Funny how people wanted a star player. A player who produces and the Bills get and they still find a way to complain. Some people will never be happy.

Oh have fun being a bandwagoner.

[SquishDaFish]

Right Tat

[BillsWin]

This was the final straw. I was having a hard enough time supporting the Bills with all of the B.S. going on this off-season already.

I will not support T.O. being a Bill.

The organization just sold its soul to the Devil. I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team.

Who cares. The NFL is a business and T.O was the best FA available at the time. This is to make money and to win. The top two priorities for an NFL franchise. Don't like it, then you dont understand the NFL's inner workings.

If you're seriously going to stop rooting for a team because of this, then maybe it is time to question your original ties to the team.

Bring on the negative rep. I don't care. I WILL NEVER stop rooting for the Bills and I am susposed to be nuetral.

[tat2dmike77]

Hey i don't like T.O antics as much as the next guy. But you can not deny what he brings on the field. He also brings some confidence and swagger to a locker room that has had neither since the 90's.

Lee will no longer be doubled covered. Safties will not be able to play in the box and that will help the run game. He is on a one year deal so he has to produce and stay in line or he may have trouble finding work after his deal is up here. Say what you will about him i hate his mouth but on the field he is one helluva player.

[Tatonka]

hey, when you come back after they start winning.. do me a favor.. dont waste anyones time with a thread announcing you're back.

:lol:

[guy]

This was the final straw. I was having a hard enough time supporting the Bills with all of the B.S. going on this off-season already.

I will not support T.O. being a Bill.

The organization just sold its soul to the Devil. I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team. who gives a fuc@ what u do? go bills

[guy]

Funny how people wanted a star player. A player who produces and the Bills get and they still find a way to complain. Some people will never be happy.

Oh have fun being a bandwagoner. Exactly!!! Thank you!!

[Mad Bomber]

This was the final straw. I was having a hard enough time supporting the Bills with all of the B.S. going on this off-season already.

I will not support T.O. being a Bill.

The organization just sold its soul to the Devil. I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team. Say it ain't so....

Pride....

You are the foundation of my opening day tailgate.

I drive 7 hours with my son (who I have brought up to be a Bills fan, even though he was born in Jets/Giants land) EVERY year for our opener.

Pride...my son looks at you as a tailgating GOD.

You have made his favorite morning food, YOU have orchestrated his BZ experience.

Please do NOT do this to my son.

If you do, and my son turns into a crackhead, it's on you, my friend.

Do you want to live with that?

[ServoBillieves]

Let's see...

A mentor for Steven Johnson and James Hardy.

A future HoF'er.

A 1 year deal.

DOOM! Later morons.

[The Spaz]

Lol he's online now.

[mayotm]

Pride will be back, and I don't think he is a drama queen. He is upset that the Bills picked up a guy that lacks class and is a total egomaniac who is only interested in himself. Every fan thinks differently for every signing and he is no different.

I actually kind of agree with him. While I hold no love for Owens or his antics, I cannot discount that he is an immensely talented player and that since I have no power to change the move, I will accept it an go on. I will look at it as only a fan can, that hopefully he helps turn this team into a winner sooner rather than later, especially since he only has a one year contract. I will try to look at it as a supremely gifted player that will probably be in the Hall of Fame that is going to be on my team.

And if all else fails, if nothing else, this team will be completely different next year with new coaches.Good. Glad you agree with him. Don't let the door hit you on the ass when you leave with Pride.

[BuffaloBillsStampede]

peace dont let the door hit you in the ass Pride

[SquishDaFish]

Say it ain't so....

Pride....

You are the foundation of my opening day tailgate.

I drive 7 hours with my son (who I have brought up to be a Bills fan, even though he was born in Jets/Giants land) EVERY year for our opener.

Pride...my son looks at you as a tailgating GOD.

You have made his favorite morning food, YOU have orchestrated his BZ experience.

Please do NOT do this to my son.

If you do, and my son turns into a crackhead, it's on you, my friend.

Do you want to live with that?


:roflmao:

[mush69]

Hey i don't like T.O antics as much as the next guy. But you can not deny what he brings on the field. He also brings some confidence and swagger to a locker room that has had neither since the 90's.

Lee will no longer be doubled covered. Safties will not be able to play in the box and that will help the run game. He is on a one year deal so he has to produce and stay in line or he may have trouble finding work after his deal is up here. Say what you will about him i hate his mouth but on the field he is one helluva player.

At first this morning I was shocked and appalled at this move by OBD. Then I started thinking about how defenses are going to look at us. The thought of have Evans and T.O. on the field at the same time is gonna be very difficult to defend. :drool:

I agree with ya tat, you can't take away what this guy does on the field as far as stats go. Lets just hope that he keeps the sideline and locker room antics in check.

Pride, drink a beer and relax some. You aren't going anywhere and I know your fandome is more than one signing deep.

:cheers:

[lordofgun]

pride :limp:

[dasaybz]

This was the final straw. I was having a hard enough time supporting the Bills with all of the B.S. going on this off-season already.

I will not support T.O. being a Bill.

The organization just sold its soul to the Devil. I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team.
Take a hike.

[TedMock]

That Foosball is the devil, Bobby Boucher!

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Let me know what your new team is so I can tell you what the players on that team has done wrong in the past. Granted, this isn't what I thought would happen, but it is over now, I am a fan. What exactly has TO done illegally? He isn't a thug. He just doesn't know when to say it, or how to say it.

Anyway, take care, I hope your new team is squeaky clean, there has to be one or two left.

[DrGraves]

Peace we don't want fans like you anyways... Diehards or die.

[Tatonka]

:rofl: at this thread and all the responses.. haha.

[chernobylwraiths]

Good. Glad you agree with him. Don't let the door hit you on the ass when you leave with Pride.

Reading isn't your strong suit is it jr?

[OpIv37]

This was the final straw. I was having a hard enough time supporting the Bills with all of the B.S. going on this off-season already.

I will not support T.O. being a Bill.

The organization just sold its soul to the Devil. I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team.

I didn't read this whole thread so this may have been said before, but here goes:

The goal of a football team is to win football games, not to be a collection of model citizens. With the exception of Hargrove and Lynch, the Bills have been model citizens for years. Where has it gotten us? ****ing nowhere.

TO is an ass as a human being, but he doesn't do drugs or otherwise break the law, he doesn't get suspended by the league, etc. We don't have to like the guy as a human being- just as a football player. It's all about the uniform, not the name on the back. I'll always root for whoever wears our uniform, regardless of my personal feelings about them.

[Bling]

I would bail too if I was a Bills fan that just signed TO.

[The Spaz]

I would bail too if I was a Bills fan that just signed TO.

Well you are not so no Bills fan cares what you think.

[OpIv37]

I would bail too if I was a Bills fan that just signed TO.

Seriously? You didn't bail on the Fish when they had Jimmy Johnson and all the thugs and miscreants he brought to Miami, but you expect us to believe that you'd bail over a TO signing?

I'm not buying it.

[Romes]

I didn't read this whole thread so this may have been said before, but here goes:

The goal of a football team is to win football games, not to be a collection of model citizens. With the exception of Hargrove and Lynch, the Bills have been model citizens for years. Where has it gotten us? ****ing nowhere.

TO is an ass as a human being, but he doesn't do drugs or otherwise break the law, he doesn't get suspended by the team, etc. We don't have to like the guy as a human being- just as a football player. It's all about the uniform, not the name on the back. I'll always root for whoever wears our uniform, regardless of my personal feelings about them.

:goodpost:

Lee Evans summed it up, "I'm ready to win man...that's all that matters."

[Philagape]

he doesn't get suspended by the team,

Well actually he did. The Eagles sat him for the last five games of 2005

[lordofgun]

Also, "goodbye" is one word.

[OpIv37]

Well actually he did. The Eagles sat him for the last five games of 2005

edited. I meant to say he doesn't get suspended by the league (unlike, say, Lynch).

[Uncle Jesse]

Nobody cares. Leave.

[BuffaloRanger]

How is TO going to destroy the Bills? Instead of them winning 5 games they might only win 3?

TO wouldn't be a good fit on a playoff quality team contending for the SuperBowl.

But he's a great fit on a team that has missed the playoffs for 9 straight seasons and would be happy with just one playoff game.

That's where the Bills and their fans are.

Finally, if you give up on the Bills, please give up on this message board also. Die-hard fans hate quitters.

[Michael82]

Wow! You guys are harsh! Pride was one of the bigger Bills fans I know and a helluva tailgater. I see where he is coming from. It definitely feels like we made a deal with the devil. But if it results in us winning and even getting to the playoffs, I'm willing to put up with his antics. Besides it's a 1-year deal and then he will most likely bolt for a big contract...

[zone]

Wow! You guys are harsh! Pride was one of the bigger Bills fans I know and a helluva tailgater. I see where he is coming from. It definitely feels like we made a deal with the devil. But if it results in us winning and even getting to the playoffs, I'm willing to put up with his antics. Besides it's a 1-year deal and then he will most likely bolt for a big contract...
Key word being "was".

Die hard fans don't throw a temper tantrum when the team signs a player they don't like and then announce to the internet that they are taking their ball and going home.

Waaa Boo Hoo, the Bills signed TO, now they are going to score some touchdowns and I can't complain about them as much. Waaaaa....

[don137]

I am not a fan of some of his antics at all. If this was a 4 year 30 million dollar with a 10 million signing bonus I would feel it would be stupid because he would cause problems before he fulfills his contract.
Yes, I feel it was a desparate move by a desparate franchise.
I am not opposed to this deal for a few reasons.
1- It is a one year deal. TO usually is a model citizen for one year on a new team. Plus, if TO plans on playing after this year he needs to mind his P's and Qs or else no one will want him next year.
2- His competitive fire may light a spark on some of the younger guys. He does not accept losing and I feel this needs to rub off on some of the younger guys.
3- Makes this team better. Teams will not put 8 guys in the box with Evans and TO on the outside. As a result, they will have better and longer drives which will also help the defense stay off the field longer resulting in them being more fresh.
4- It gives Bills fans a glimmer of hope. The Bills have not been in the playoffs for 9 years and were headed for a 10th year if they did not do something drastic.
5- It puts Buffalo back on the NFL map. NFL Fans have forgot about Buffalo. They will get a few prime time games as a result.
6- This is a great litmus test for Edwards. It is his third year in the league and his make or break year. He has no excuses if he fails with his weapons he has now.

[X-Era]

Wow! You guys are harsh! Pride was one of the bigger Bills fans I know and a helluva tailgater. I see where he is coming from. It definitely feels like we made a deal with the devil. But if it results in us winning and even getting to the playoffs, I'm willing to put up with his antics. Besides it's a 1-year deal and then he will most likely bolt for a big contract...

:clap:

I am for this move even though I have huge concerns about it.

But, Im not happy that it may be making people disown the Bills.

Thats why I would like those fans to just give it one year. Thats all the contracts for. Give it a year... after all we have put up with 9 years of crap, we finally made a bold move, lets give it a shot.

[X-Era]

I am not a fan of some of his antics at all. If this was a 4 year 30 million dollar with a 10 million signing bonus I would feel it would be stupid because he would cause problems before he fulfills his contract.
Yes, I feel it was a desparate move by a desparate franchise.
I am not opposed to this deal for a few reasons.
1- It is a one year deal. TO usually is a model citizen for one year on a new team. Plus, if TO plans on playing after this year he needs to mind his P's and Qs or else no one will want him next year.
2- His competitive fire may light a spark on some of the younger guys. He does not accept losing and I feel this needs to rub off on some of the younger guys.
3- Makes this team better. Teams will not put 8 guys in the box with Evans and TO on the outside. As a result, they will have better and longer drives which will also help the defense stay off the field longer resulting in them being more fresh.
4- It gives Bills fans a glimmer of hope. The Bills have not been in the playoffs for 9 years and were headed for a 10th year if they did not do something drastic.
5- It puts Buffalo back on the NFL map. NFL Fans have forgot about Buffalo. They will get a few prime time games as a result.
6- This is a great litmus test for Edwards. It is his third year in the league and his make or break year. He has no excuses if he fails with his weapons he has now.

Agree and heres more of my thoughts on benefits:

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=171390

[Jan Reimers]

Why would any long-time, loyal Bills' fan abandon the team over the signing of one player? I really don't understand, except that all of the losing and ineptitude have made me give up on them from time to time - but only for a while, until I settled down and regained my senses.

Hopefully,that will happen to those who are jumping ship now.That is, they will get over the shock and anger, and realize that the Bills are still their team, regardless of player moves or other actions with which they disagree.

[Pride]

I've read the previous 5 pages, and the responses were exactly what I suspected they would be. I've always hated fans who come on here and create a thread shouting that they are leaving. I've never understood the need to do so until Saturday.

I've spent the weekend thinking and talking about this. To Sarah, other team's fans.. and other Bills fans. I have always despised T.O. because I think he is exactly what is wrong with the "game" of football. He is selfish, a "me" first guy, and I've always ragged on fans of teams that had T.O. on them (Eagles, Cowboys, (even Ravens for a short time).

So here I am, facing the same situation that I have been so critical of other fans for. T.O. is on the team that I have loved for the last 29 years.

I have been a Bills fan, while living in the heart of Steeler/Eagles country, for all of these years. And the only thing that allowed me to stay so strong in my Bills Faith was that I felt that they were a team built on principles. Once more, I was proud that they were a team that preached the most important lesson in football.. Team First.

We've gotten rid of guys like McGahee and Price. Guys who felt they were more important than the team. And I've always been extremely proud of that. I could take losing, so long as it was because we stood for something greater than winning.

So now the team that I have loved and respected has finally sold out. Granted, it took them 10 years longer than every other team in the league (save perhaps Green-Bay, Pittsburgh, and maybe even Cleveland), but they did. And now I am forced to re-evaluate why I am a fan of this team. It isn't because they are easy to love. It isn't because I am surrounded by other Bills fans that help keep each other believing. Its because I believe that no matter what the W/L record at the end of the season... my team had higher standards for its players than the rest of the league.

You want to ask why I support the Bills when Lynch (and other "criminals") are on the team... and I say this. We picked Lynch prior to his transgressions, not after them. We let problems walk out the door... never bringing them in... until now.

I realize that T.O. has extraordinary talent. I've always been a fan of his football skills. He plays with heart and emotion... I'll grant him that. What I fear is that he brings Buffalo a winning season, and possibly even a championship... and I am left to tell my children someday that our first Super Bowl win was based on a guy who was the antithesis of what I want my children to love about football.

So I am torn. I love Buffalo. I love the Bills. I love my fellow Bills Fans. But I am greatly disappointed in the Bills Organization for selling out.

I haven't fully decided what I'm going to do. Right now I am simply hoping that my disappointment and anger go away and allow me to enjoy T.O. coming here. I'll never love him, but I'm hoping that I can see past him and continue to love and support my team.

If not... Go Browns!

[X-Era]

I've read the previous 5 pages, and the responses were exactly what I suspected they would be. I've always hated fans who come on here and create a thread shouting that they are leaving. I've never understood the need to do so until Saturday.

I've spent the weekend thinking and talking about this. To Sarah, other team's fans.. and other Bills fans. I have always despised T.O. because I think he is exactly what is wrong with the "game" of football. He is selfish, a "me" first guy, and I've always ragged on fans of teams that had T.O. on them (Eagles, Cowboys, (even Ravens for a short time).

So here I am, facing the same situation that I have been so critical of other fans for. T.O. is on the team that I have loved for the last 29 years.

I have been a Bills fan, while living in the heart of Steeler/Eagles country, for all of these years. And the only thing that allowed me to stay so strong in my Bills Faith was that I felt that they were a team built on principles. Once more, I was proud that they were a team that preached the most important lesson in football.. Team First.

We've gotten rid of guys like McGahee and Price. Guys who felt they were more important than the team. And I've always been extremely proud of that. I could take losing, so long as it was because we stood for something greater than winning.

So now the team that I have loved and respected has finally sold out. Granted, it took them 10 years longer than every other team in the league (save perhaps Green-Bay, Pittsburgh, and maybe even Cleveland), but they did. And now I am forced to re-evaluate why I am a fan of this team. It isn't because they are easy to love. It isn't because I am surrounded by other Bills fans that help keep each other believing. Its because I believe that no matter what the W/L record at the end of the season... my team had higher standards for its players than the rest of the league.

You want to ask why I support the Bills when Lynch (and other "criminals") are on the team... and I say this. We picked Lynch prior to his transgressions, not after them. We let problems walk out the door... never bringing them in... until now.

I realize that T.O. has extraordinary talent. I've always been a fan of his football skills. He plays with heart and emotion... I'll grant him that. What I fear is that he brings Buffalo a winning season, and possibly even a championship... and I am left to tell my children someday that our first Super Bowl win was based on a guy who was the antithesis of what I want my children to love about football.

So I am torn. I love Buffalo. I love the Bills. I love my fellow Bills Fans. But I am greatly disappointed in the Bills Organization for selling out.

I haven't fully decided what I'm going to do. Right now I am simply hoping that my disappointment and anger go away and allow me to enjoy T.O. coming here. I'll never love him, but I'm hoping that I can see past him and continue to love and support my team.

If not... Go Browns!

I understand and appreciate your opinion on this. I think many of us agree at a lower level. I know that my first feeling was that our team is now hypocritical... that we have been on of the final strongholds for requiring character and that the walls just got breached.

The truth is though, that we have had and kept many ego-centric players, even during our SB years.

Kelly stayed at least one year too late when everyone knew his skills werent good enough anymore. Then, 2 years later, he tells Paul McGuire that hes still better than 80% of the NFL's starting QB's.

Bruce was constantly whining about stuff and his contract for many many offseasons. He was known for being a guy who thinks alot about himself.

Reed wanted more money and left.

McGahee and claiming hes the best in the NFL, calling out coaches.

Price and his crap

We have had these guys all along and some of them are some of our favorite all time Bills.

Dont you remember the "bickering Bills"? Who was bickering? How far off is that from TO's crap?

TO is even more of a drama queen than any previous Bill... Bruce would probably be 2nd but he wasnt even close. But he isnt a law breaker, he isnt a slacker, he isnt lazy. He plays hard and has a bigtime heart... to much heart probably. Hes more of a super-sensitive baby.

Weve had guys with attitudes for years.

[Luisito23]

TO should have been in a Bills uniform 4 years ago.


Or Moss...

[Mahdi]

To all that are happy about this, let me ask you a question, how does this help us. It didn't help Philly or Dallas and they had FAR more talent and higher profile players then we have and they couldn't keep him in check or might I add win a super bowl. He tore up the Cowboys and even the whore that is Jerry Jones wasn't willing to put up him him anymore. Hell he had to take a 9 millon dollar salary cap hit and he was still willing to let him go! So again how is this going to help this orginization that is so weak from the coaching staff on up? He is going to crew this team up!
Why does everyone let the media machine make decisions for them?... how do you or anyone else know what went on in the Dallas locker room? WE DONT. So anything the media makes you believe is for their own purpose or gain. Does that mean nothing happened? No. But we don't know what did happen in Dallas and obviously he has support there so its not like he is hated.

TO wants to win and so do I, we got nothing to lose by giving him a chance.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I've read the previous 5 pages, and the responses were exactly what I suspected they would be. I've always hated fans who come on here and create a thread shouting that they are leaving. I've never understood the need to do so until Saturday.

I've spent the weekend thinking and talking about this. To Sarah, other team's fans.. and other Bills fans. I have always despised T.O. because I think he is exactly what is wrong with the "game" of football. He is selfish, a "me" first guy, and I've always ragged on fans of teams that had T.O. on them (Eagles, Cowboys, (even Ravens for a short time).

So here I am, facing the same situation that I have been so critical of other fans for. T.O. is on the team that I have loved for the last 29 years.

I have been a Bills fan, while living in the heart of Steeler/Eagles country, for all of these years. And the only thing that allowed me to stay so strong in my Bills Faith was that I felt that they were a team built on principles. Once more, I was proud that they were a team that preached the most important lesson in football.. Team First.

We've gotten rid of guys like McGahee and Price. Guys who felt they were more important than the team. And I've always been extremely proud of that. I could take losing, so long as it was because we stood for something greater than winning.

So now the team that I have loved and respected has finally sold out. Granted, it took them 10 years longer than every other team in the league (save perhaps Green-Bay, Pittsburgh, and maybe even Cleveland), but they did. And now I am forced to re-evaluate why I am a fan of this team. It isn't because they are easy to love. It isn't because I am surrounded by other Bills fans that help keep each other believing. Its because I believe that no matter what the W/L record at the end of the season... my team had higher standards for its players than the rest of the league.

You want to ask why I support the Bills when Lynch (and other "criminals") are on the team... and I say this. We picked Lynch prior to his transgressions, not after them. We let problems walk out the door... never bringing them in... until now.

I realize that T.O. has extraordinary talent. I've always been a fan of his football skills. He plays with heart and emotion... I'll grant him that. What I fear is that he brings Buffalo a winning season, and possibly even a championship... and I am left to tell my children someday that our first Super Bowl win was based on a guy who was the antithesis of what I want my children to love about football.

So I am torn. I love Buffalo. I love the Bills. I love my fellow Bills Fans. But I am greatly disappointed in the Bills Organization for selling out.

I haven't fully decided what I'm going to do. Right now I am simply hoping that my disappointment and anger go away and allow me to enjoy T.O. coming here. I'll never love him, but I'm hoping that I can see past him and continue to love and support my team.

If not... Go Browns!
NOPE TOO LATE. YOU ARE OFF THE WAGON.

[Philagape]

1. The team is bigger than any one player.
2. The Bills have had plenty of selfish, me-first players, including someone who cried the day we drafted him and bolted to another league rather than play for us. He is now the most popular player in franchise history and lives in the area long after his playing days are over. Not saying that's what will happen now, but people change.
3. This can end in just two ways: It goes badly, and he's gone after just one year; or it goes well, and we have nothing to complain about.

[!Papacrunk!]

when Levy was the GM and was beating the character drum, it was hard reading through all of the sanctimonious bs around here, but now it's ok cuz TO is very talented. IMO that sounds like hypocrisy. It'd be funny to read any TO post from the past to double check that theory.

[THATHURMANATOR]

when Levy was the GM and was beating the character drum, it was hard reading through all of the sanctimonious bs around here, but now it's ok cuz TO is very talented. IMO that sounds like hypocrisy. It'd be funny to read any TO post from the past to double check that theory.

STOP BEING A HYPOCRITE PAPA.

[Static]

when Levy was the GM and was beating the character drum, it was hard reading through all of the sanctimonious bs around here, but now it's ok cuz TO is very talented. IMO that sounds like hypocrisy. It'd be funny to read any TO post from the past to double check that theory.

It's always easier to bash other teams charactor issues then to face your own, but eventually every team takes that one player that makes you face your former statements.

[!Papacrunk!]

It's always easier to bash other teams charactor issues then to face your own, but eventually every team takes that one player that makes you face your former statements.
great honest post!

[THATHURMANATOR]

I can probably agree that most people here are being a bit hypocritical about Owens but to be a fin fan whining about it here is gay.

[madness]

Why does everyone let the media machine make decisions for them?... how do you or anyone else know what went on in the Dallas locker room? WE DONT. So anything the media makes you believe is for their own purpose or gain. Does that mean nothing happened? No. But we don't know what did happen in Dallas and obviously he has support there so its not like he is hated.

TO wants to win and so do I, we got nothing to lose by giving him a chance.


The media machine is the real monster most of the time. I found an article posted about this situation. It just seems he pisses the wrong people off with the most influence on the team (like Tony Homo). Everybody else just loves the guy.

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?p=2844075&postcount=19

[BAM]

Pride can I have all your Bills memorabilia if you do decide to leave? You've got some cool stuff. :couch:

[madness]

Pride can I have all your Bills memorabilia if you do decide to leave? You've got some cool stuff. :couch:

Bam's calling his bluff. All chips are in, now show your hands.

[Michael82]

Pride can I have all your Bills memorabilia if you do decide to leave? You've got some cool stuff. :couch:
I'll give you money for some of the stuff, Pride. I always have room in my collection for more. :D

[Michael82]

when Levy was the GM and was beating the character drum, it was hard reading through all of the sanctimonious bs around here, but now it's ok cuz TO is very talented. IMO that sounds like hypocrisy. It'd be funny to read any TO post from the past to double check that theory.
Oh come on. We can say the same thing with you Dolphin fans with Chad Pennington and all those noodle armed comments and all the ripped that you guys did thru the years on him. We could also go back to the stuff you guys said about Ricky Williams and then ended up welcoming him back with open arms. :blahblah:

[methos4ever]

Different definition of Character - Football Character moreso the overused "choir boy" cliche. If you don't believe, take a long look at the difference between guys like Thurman, Bruce and Jim when they were players and the upstanding men of community, family, etc they flourish in now.

[Nighthawk]

I've read the previous 5 pages, and the responses were exactly what I suspected they would be. I've always hated fans who come on here and create a thread shouting that they are leaving. I've never understood the need to do so until Saturday.

I've spent the weekend thinking and talking about this. To Sarah, other team's fans.. and other Bills fans. I have always despised T.O. because I think he is exactly what is wrong with the "game" of football. He is selfish, a "me" first guy, and I've always ragged on fans of teams that had T.O. on them (Eagles, Cowboys, (even Ravens for a short time).

So here I am, facing the same situation that I have been so critical of other fans for. T.O. is on the team that I have loved for the last 29 years.

I have been a Bills fan, while living in the heart of Steeler/Eagles country, for all of these years. And the only thing that allowed me to stay so strong in my Bills Faith was that I felt that they were a team built on principles. Once more, I was proud that they were a team that preached the most important lesson in football.. Team First.

We've gotten rid of guys like McGahee and Price. Guys who felt they were more important than the team. And I've always been extremely proud of that. I could take losing, so long as it was because we stood for something greater than winning.

So now the team that I have loved and respected has finally sold out. Granted, it took them 10 years longer than every other team in the league (save perhaps Green-Bay, Pittsburgh, and maybe even Cleveland), but they did. And now I am forced to re-evaluate why I am a fan of this team. It isn't because they are easy to love. It isn't because I am surrounded by other Bills fans that help keep each other believing. Its because I believe that no matter what the W/L record at the end of the season... my team had higher standards for its players than the rest of the league.

You want to ask why I support the Bills when Lynch (and other "criminals") are on the team... and I say this. We picked Lynch prior to his transgressions, not after them. We let problems walk out the door... never bringing them in... until now.

I realize that T.O. has extraordinary talent. I've always been a fan of his football skills. He plays with heart and emotion... I'll grant him that. What I fear is that he brings Buffalo a winning season, and possibly even a championship... and I am left to tell my children someday that our first Super Bowl win was based on a guy who was the antithesis of what I want my children to love about football.

So I am torn. I love Buffalo. I love the Bills. I love my fellow Bills Fans. But I am greatly disappointed in the Bills Organization for selling out.

I haven't fully decided what I'm going to do. Right now I am simply hoping that my disappointment and anger go away and allow me to enjoy T.O. coming here. I'll never love him, but I'm hoping that I can see past him and continue to love and support my team.

If not... Go Browns!

I root for the uniform, not the players in that uniform. If I ever started thinking about the type of people some of these players are, then I would never follow sports. I don't root for T.O., I don't root for any specific player...I root for the Buffalo Bills...period!

[Nighthawk]

when Levy was the GM and was beating the character drum, it was hard reading through all of the sanctimonious bs around here, but now it's ok cuz TO is very talented. IMO that sounds like hypocrisy. It'd be funny to read any TO post from the past to double check that theory.

Oh, here we go...you knew it was only a matter of time before these posts started.

[BAM]

Bam's calling his bluff. All chips are in, now show your hands.
He isn't going anywhere I guarantee it. Just like many people and as he stated he's just fed up with it and venting frustration of nearly 10 years of crappiness.

[T-Long]

Didn't Ray Lewis kill somebody?? Can you imagine Ravens fans saying they don't want him on their team? What about Leonard Little? Didn't Albert Haynesworth stomp a guy?? Get over it you big babies

Anyone wearing a Bills uniform is fine by me...as long as they are producing on the field, I could care less what else they do. This organization has been a JOKE and laughing stock for as long as I could remember.

[BAM]

I'll give you money for some of the stuff, Pride. I always have room in my collection for more. :D

No. If he leaves it'd be just wrong to make any money on a team he turns his back on. It'd be best for him to drop it all in a dumpster where I will have my truck strategically placed to catch his Bills stuff.

[G Wolly]

Can't you let him screw up here before you start talking about the end of the Bills?

But if you guys wanna act that way, I have no problem still loving my team.

[!Papacrunk!]

Oh come on. We can say the same thing with you Dolphin fans with Chad Pennington and all those noodle armed comments and all the ripped that you guys did thru the years on him. We could also go back to the stuff you guys said about Ricky Williams and then ended up welcoming him back with open arms. :blahblah:

Completely valid points, and I will own up the vitriol for #34. My issue was how holier than thou things got when Levy was the GM, but I guess the Church of Levy may soon be defunct, lol. Hey if something like Owens bringing success to the Bills and it means the team doesn't move, then more power to it in all honesty.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Completely valid points, and I will own up the vitriol for #34. My issue was how holier than thou things got when Levy was the GM, but I guess the Church of Levy may soon be defunct, lol. Hey if something like Owens bringing success to the Bills and it means the team doesn't move, then more power to it in all honesty.
Sure there were a couple goody two shoes here but **** that I WANT THE BILLS TO WIN AND ALWAYS HAVE.

[!Papacrunk!]

Sure there were a couple goody two shoes here but **** that I WANT THE BILLS TO WIN AND ALWAYS HAVE.

lol, good stuff man

[Nighthawk]

It's fun just knowing this team will get some exposure on the national scene this year. Add to that the prospect of a few more wins and WNY might actually have some fun this upcoming NFL season.

[Bling]

This place is rampant with hypocrites. Nothing bugs me more than holier than thou hypocrites.

[Bill Cody]

A few points to consider "Pride" as you try to avoid letting the door hit you in the ass on the way out:

1) Is TO any worse then Eric Moulds his last years in Buffalo? As EMo's skills eroded he became an absolute ***** here, sorry to say it but it's the truth.

2) Face it, most top receivers are stars in their own movies. TO is an amazingly annoying guy and I truly hope TE can stand up to him, it won't be easy. But he will help, even though he's no longer the player he once was.

3) Add a decent TE and we have an NFL offense. Isn't that a positive? Hello?

4) Sure it's a deal with the devil but wasn't everyone saying that 2 years ago when NE traded for Moss? Think any of their fans were playing the lame "I'm done with this team" card?

[THATHURMANATOR]

This place is rampant with hypocrites. Nothing bugs me more than holier than thou hypocrites.
Only thing worse is Holier than thou Dolphin fan HYPOCRITES!!

[Bling]

Seriously? You didn't bail on the Fish when they had Jimmy Johnson and all the thugs and miscreants he brought to Miami, but you expect us to believe that you'd bail over a TO signing?

I'm not buying it.

To be honest, I don't remember the Jimmy Johnson miscreants. Was it that guy Jon Avery and Sammie Smith?

After the season the Bills had, or the Dolphins had the year before last, I would definitely bail if that cancer were brought into the Dolphins locker room. The only reason I'd put up with him is if we were a piece away. Otherwise, he's going to get you so far higher before he ruins your team.

[THATHURMANATOR]

To be honest, I don't remember the Jimmy Johnson miscreants. Was it that guy Jon Avery and Sammie Smith?

After the season the Bills had, or the Dolphins had the year before last, I would definitely bail if that cancer were brought into the Dolphins locker room. The only reason I'd put up with him is if we were a piece away. Otherwise, he's going to get you so far higher before he ruins your team.
HYPOCRITE!

[!Papacrunk!]

It's fun just knowing this team will get some exposure on the national scene this year. Add to that the prospect of a few more wins and WNY might actually have some fun this upcoming NFL season.

granted I hope nothing but Miami's success against Buffalo, but give me the award for stating the obvious, since it's always great to look forward to a fun season, especially after having previous setbacks

[HAMMER]

Welcome back Pride, everyone has a right to threaten jumping off the wagon once in their fandom, ONCE. I agree with many of the things you say, but I am sick of status quo. I was not looking forward to next season prior to this signing. The Bills were not going to make the big jump necessary to get past the Pats w/o an impact player. One thing is for sure, we will score more points, something we desperately need and have not shown a penchant for in many moons.

The thing that makes this deal acceptable to me is the term, one year, not a lot of risk. If TO starts to blow up the locker room he can be cut with no real impact on our cap. It is a very smart move from a marketing standpoint and can't hurt production as we have had so little for so long. Go Bills.

[Pride]

After watching some of the press conferences and reading some editorials explaining the risk/reward of this signing... I'm beginning to warm up.

I still don't like it... but I'm not still fuming like I was this morning.

It didn't help to come in this morning being the laughing stock of the office. I'm the only Bills fan in my company, and they made sure to push all of my buttons first thing.

On a lighter side... some of these responses are hilarious!

And no BAM.. you can't have my Bills Stuff. Mikey, what are you willing to offer for my Bills Boxers??? ;)

[Pride]

Welcome back Pride, everyone has a right to threaten jumping off the wagon once in their fandom, ONCE. I agree with many of the things you say, but I am sick of status quo. I was not looking forward to next season prior to this signing. The Bills were not going to make the big jump necessary to get past the Pats w/o an impact player. One thing is for sure, we will score more points, something we desperately need and have not shown a penchant for in many moons.

The thing that makes this deal acceptable to me is the term, one year, not a lot of risk. If TO starts to blow up the locker room he can be cut with no real impact on our cap. It is a very smart move from a marketing standpoint and can't hurt production as we have had so little for so long. Go Bills.

Thanks Hammer... I appreciate your understanding!

[DrGraves]

I'm glad you understand that this is the best move the Bills have made in a long time. Whether it works out or not, it is refreshing to see that the Bills are actually trying to win football games.

[madness]

After watching some of the press conferences and reading some editorials explaining the risk/reward of this signing... I'm beginning to warm up.

I still don't like it... but I'm not still fuming like I was this morning.

It didn't help to come in this morning being the laughing stock of the office. I'm the only Bills fan in my company, and they made sure to push all of my buttons first thing.

On a lighter side... some of these responses are hilarious!

And no BAM.. you can't have my Bills Stuff. Mikey, what are you willing to offer for my Bills Boxers??? ;)

I'm the only one at my office too. Everybody tried to push my buttons too but I did my homework this weekend and they agreed that risk factor isn't nearly as big as they first thought it was.

[justasportsfan]

This isn't the first time I've seen this thread.


Yup. Pride will be back.

Edit: He's back.

[Tatonka]

I've read the previous 5 pages, and the responses were exactly what I suspected they would be. I've always hated fans who come on here and create a thread shouting that they are leaving. I've never understood the need to do so until Saturday.

so you are doing exactly what you hate. you are starting a crybaby thread about quitin on the team.. which is exactly what you said in your first post.. that you quit.. then you are waffling on whether or not to quit rooting for the bills which is just gay and lame all balled up into one.. you also stated that you're totally ok with losing as long as they do it in a good moral fashion.. again.. gay.

maybe if you could just post a photo of you in a pink thong, it would complete this gay thread and someone could lock it and put it in the vault and forget the whole thing ever happened.

:poop:

[THATHURMANATOR]

so you are doing exactly what you hate. you are starting a crybaby thread about quitin on the team.. which is exactly what you said in your first post.. that you quit.. then you are waffling on whether or not to quit rooting for the bills which is just gay and lame all balled up into one.. you also stated that you're totally ok with losing as long as they do it in a good moral fashion.. again.. gay.

maybe if you could just post a photo of you in a pink thong, it would complete this gay thread and someone could lock it and put it in the vault and forget the whole thing ever happened.

:poop:
LOL

[Pride]

I'll still take losing with ethical standards over winning any other way.

And before responding to that... consider what defense we've used for years against Patriot fans. Our ethical standards are the only defense we've ever been able to use... and most around here used it daily when being confronted by Patriot fans.

Am I waffling? Yes! I fully admitted it.

[justasportsfan]

I'll still take losing with ethical standards over winning any other way.

And before responding to that... consider what defense we've used for years against Patriot fans. Our ethical standards are the only defense we've ever been able to use... and most around here used it daily when being confronted by Patriot fans.

Am I waffling? Yes! I fully admitted it.
we haven't cheated. Huge difference. We didn't do anything unethical. We simply lowered our standards.

[Pride]

We simply lowered our standards.

Unfortunately, most around here seem to be perfectly ok with that.

[Dr. Lecter]

Meh.

Like I tell the women I meet: Standards are for losers!

[justasportsfan]

Unfortunately, most around here seem to be perfectly ok with that.


desperate times call for desperate measures.

You on the other hand make it look more than it really is. It's wasn't unethical. We didn't cheat.

It's only a one year contract. I don't have a problem with it.

[Lexwhat]

T.O. is the black Brett Favre.

Think about it.

[justasportsfan]

Meh.

Like I tell the women I meet: Standards are for losers!

Have you've been able to convince them to go home with you when you tell them that?

[Bling]

T.O. is the black Brett Favre.

Think about it.

:rofl:

[mysticsoto]

Meh.

Like I tell the women I meet: Standards are for losers!

Hate to tell you Lecter...but that was a guy...

[Lexwhat]

:rofl:

Hahaha, you agree? Disagree?

I won't make this into a black/white thing, because TO does deserve most of the criticism he receives.

But in Favre's case, I've never seen someone throw so many hissy fits and act like a little *****, and still get a "pass." People actually had the audacity to blame the Packers front office for "screwing" Favre?!!

Their circumstances were different, but people in the media will always bow to Favre and always kick TO in the nuts. Public perception and reputation sure go a long way.

[Tatonka]

just post your thong shot and be done with it.

[Valerie]

I agree Pride! I was making the same point in another thread! So what team do we adopt?
Root for the Cowboys. At least they were smart enough to get rid of TO. lol

[Pride]

just post your thong shot and be done with it.

I had to position the camera on the floor since I didn't have anyone to help me!

http://thebosh.com/upload/2008/06/19/when_thongs_attack_some_people_see_dollar_signs/thong%20man.jpg

Are you satisfied???

[Tatonka]

HAHAHAHA..

now lock this thread and put it in the vault. you know damn ****ing well you're not going anywhere.

:rofl:

[shelby]

:rofl:

[The Spaz]

:puke:

[CuseJetsFan83]

I'll still take losing with ethical standards over winning any other way.

And before responding to that... consider what defense we've used for years against Patriot fans. Our ethical standards are the only defense we've ever been able to use... and most around here used it daily when being confronted by Patriot fans.

Am I waffling? Yes! I fully admitted it.

how is the TO signing exactly unethical?

was signing of him evidence of any type of tampering or what have ya?
he was signed fair and square, and albeit he is a showman/a huge talker..... i'd still take him in a heartbeat.

plus you don't think this plays into ralphy boys 50th season anniversary?!

the whole character issue debate is laughable.... he may be a hassle on the field, but i haven't heard of TO running over a traffic cop, being charged with smoking the reefer, or possessing weapons, or even worse killing someone.

call it a lowering of standards, but is that your's or the image in your head of the teams expectations?

desperate times call for desperate measures, and im still wondering how this deal is selling the soul to the devil...... its a 1 yr deal, not some 6 year mega deal where he will be put out to pasture as a bill.

[CuseJetsFan83]

Hahaha, you agree? Disagree?

I won't make this into a black/white thing, because TO does deserve most of the criticism he receives.

But in Favre's case, I've never seen someone throw so many hissy fits and act like a little *****, and still get a "pass." People actually had the audacity to blame the Packers front office for "screwing" Favre?!!

Their circumstances were different, but people in the media will always bow to Favre and always kick TO in the nuts. Public perception and reputation sure go a long way.

i do think the packers treated favre wrong, if there was some way to prove it, but in the long run it would be the old man thought he had some gas left in the tank, and couldn't be told otherwise......

with TO he does deserve the criticism, but thats what he wants..... he wants the attention, he's a big boy and can handle it. just like people wanted ocho cinco, how is this any different?

[BAM]

I'm not ashamed to lower my standards.

Just look at the woman I married.

[Bill Cody]

Unfortunately, most around here seem to be perfectly ok with that.

Something like 20% of the players in the NFL have been charged with a serious criminal offense according to the book "Pro's and Cons". This is not a league to follow if you need to cheer for straight arrows only, not even close. Funny thing is TO hasn't been in trouble with the law, his only crime is he's remarkably self absorbed. So that's worse to you than being charged with a serious crime?:drama: Do yourself and us a favor, follow through on your threat. The NFL is not for holier than thou pansies.

[Bert102176]

just cause the team does things I don't like doesn't mean I'd stop supporting them, you guys weren't true fans if your gonna jump ship

[Mr. Miyagi]

I'm not ashamed to lower my standards.

Just look at the woman I married.
One day she'll become a famous actress and dump your ass out on the street!

Watch out LOL!

[Mr. Miyagi]

Damn it Pride, talk about an overreaction. Keep your panties on man and hang on for the ride! When was the last time the Bills get so much national attention ever since 1999?

[chernobylwraiths]

I'm not ashamed to lower my standards.

Just look at the woman I married.

Yeah, talk about her lowering her standards.

[MikeInRoch]

Unfortunately, most around here seem to be perfectly ok with that.

I'm very curious what your opinion of Bruce Smith is.

[HAMMER]

I'm not ashamed to lower my standards.

Just look at the woman I married.

Oh snap, that's not nice. You will be sleeping in the garage if Missy sees this.

[BAM]

I don't know how that got on there!

[THATHURMANATOR]

So is Pride back on the bandwagon or not?

[Pride]

I'm very curious what your opinion of Bruce Smith is.

My opinion of Bruce is that he was an incredible athlete, a great team-mate, and a fan favorite.

His dealings with the Bills front office is where he had his issues. I don't care how he deals with the front office, as long as he isn't a ME guy on the field.

I don't think anyone would argue that Bruce was selfish on the field.

I don't recall Bruce going to 4 NFL teams, dividing the locker room in his first 3, and being the talk of the media every day because of his antics.

Bruce and T.O. are not even close to being in the same class!

[Pride]

So is Pride back on the bandwagon or not?

I am back on the Bills bandwagon, but not on the T.O. bandwagon.

[Dr. Lecter]

Yeah, talk about her lowering her standards.

Are we still talking about Missy or are we now talking about Mrs. Cher?

[PromoTheRobot]

Buh-bye.

PTR

[FlyingDutchman]

well that took all of 3 days to come back

[THATHURMANATOR]

I am back on the Bills bandwagon, but not on the T.O. bandwagon.
Ok good.

[Michael82]

I never want to hear another person yell at me for "flip flopping" or overreacting again! That means you, Lecter.... :mad:

[Dr. Lecter]

I never want to hear another person yell at me for "flip flopping" or overreacting again! That means you, Lecter.... :mad:

Just because he does it too, does nor mean that you do not.

[Michael82]

Just because he does it too, does nor mean that you do not.
True, but what he did was worse than any other flip flop or overreaction that I have had. Plus the whole board pretty much flip flopped on Owens. So, I don't want to hear you constantly calling me a flip flopper when you yourself are guilty of it too. :yap:

[THATHURMANATOR]

True, but what he did was worse than any other flip flop or overreaction that I have had. Plus the whole board pretty much flip flopped on Owens. So, I don't want to hear you constantly calling me a flip flopper when you yourself are guilty of it too. :yap:
Good point Mikey.

[MikeInRoch]

My opinion of Bruce is that he was an incredible athlete, a great team-mate, and a fan favorite.

His dealings with the Bills front office is where he had his issues. I don't care how he deals with the front office, as long as he isn't a ME guy on the field.

I don't think anyone would argue that Bruce was selfish on the field.

I don't recall Bruce going to 4 NFL teams, dividing the locker room in his first 3, and being the talk of the media every day because of his antics.

Bruce and T.O. are not even close to being in the same class!

So a drug suspension is not relevant at all to you?

[THATHURMANATOR]

So a drug suspension is not relevant at all to you?
No I don't care about drugs.

[Marvelous]

Are fans who haul ass when we struggle parasites?

WINNING IS A PERK FOR THIS L-I-F-E LONG BILLS FAN....Cya toughtnuts.

man, why are fans so quick to bug? isn't watching week 1 -17 awesome? It is for me & wife.. Relax pride.

[realdealryan]

Drunk posting.

****, he's a distraction but he serves a purpose (said a hundred times before). If I could give up the Bills, I would have after 4 SB losses. I wore a jersey to campus today and people snickered and talked about TO. It's an addiction.


reading is good.

AHAH welcome back x2

[Marvelous]

update:: welcome back Pride.. :lol:

[yordad]

I think I've been pretty consistent.

[MikeInRoch]

No I don't care about drugs.

That wasn't really directed at you, but ok.

I think that saying someone is bad because they have an abrasive personality, but someone who gets suspended by the league for using cocaine kind of has their priorities out of whack.

[feldspar]

I agree Pride! I was making the same point in another thread! So what team do we adopt?

If you are able to adopt another team, you never WERE a Bills fan in the first place and good riddance. Changing loyalties isn't an option.

Maybe you and Benedict Arnold can go root for the Patriots. That's where all the asswipes go.

[feldspar]

He tore up the Cowboys

where did you hear that?

If T.O. was the demon every one projects on him, you'd think one single person in Dallas would come out and say SOMETHING, anything negative about how T.O. affected the team. Instead, you have everyone saying that they didn't really have a problem with T.O.'s behavior. You have players saying they wish he stayed.

I'd say that the distraction created by the media was a bigger distraction than what T.O. actually did in Dallas.

Roy Williams was traded to the Cowboys about 6 games into last season in exchange for a first, third, and sixth round pick in this year's draft. They wouldn't do this without the idea of him being their #1 receiver.

I'm not worried about T.O.'s behavior in Buffalo at all. If he starts to yell at people on the sidelines, I'll actually enjoy it. I never was of the mindset that one player had enough pull to bring down a whole lockerroom anyway. The media focuses on every syllable he says and just waits for something to blow out of proportion...they love that ****. Not that he never steps out of line, but not nearly to the degree that it's perceived. The thing has snowballed to the point where people react to the reputation, not the man.

[tat2dmike77]

This thread is classic. Is your vag still sandy pride?

[Spiderweb]

This was the final straw. I was having a hard enough time supporting the Bills with all of the B.S. going on this off-season already.

I will not support T.O. being a Bill.

The organization just sold its soul to the Devil. I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team.

A.) 11 year old lament?
B.) TO pissed in your wheaties?
C.) never was a real Bills fan anyway?

[SABURZFAN]

This was the final straw. I was having a hard enough time supporting the Bills with all of the B.S. going on this off-season already.

I will not support T.O. being a Bill.

The organization just sold its soul to the Devil. I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team.


Detroit isn't too far from Chambersburg, is it? :idunno:

[northernbillfan]

Hey Pride. Don't let the door hit you on the ass when you leave.

What a bunch of crap. Anyone who would even think about saying, "I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team." isn't a true fan!

Get off the bandwagon.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Hey Pride. Don't let the door hit you on the ass when you leave.

What a bunch of crap. Anyone who would even think about saying, "I'm done rooting for the Buffalo Bills. Time to start looking for a new team." isn't a true fan!

Get off the bandwagon.
You are late to the party Northern. Pride has already jumped back on the wagon. He has forever stamped himself as a bandwagoner going forward however.

[Pride]

Jeezus... 10 pages! I didn't realize that I was so important to the zone that everyone had to voice their disgust at me "leaving". Forgive me for having male PMS for a day!

[northernbillfan]

You are late to the party Northern. Pride has already jumped back on the wagon. He has forever stamped himself as a bandwagoner going forward however.:bf1:

[SABURZFAN]

Jeezus... 10 pages! I didn't realize that I was so important to the zone that everyone had to voice their disgust at me "leaving". Forgive me for having male PMS for a day!


we're disappointed in you, Pride. :shakeno:

[Pride]

He has forever stamped himself as a bandwagoner going forward however.

Yeah, because people jump on bandwagon's like that of the Buffalo Bills! The last time anyone jumped on the Buffalo Bills Bandwagon was most likely in 1996 (or whenever the hell Flutie and his mullet came to town).

There is no good reason to jump onto the wagon. I'm here because I've always been here. I'd say that everyone is allowed to have a pissed off day where they question their fanhood of a team. Monday was mine!

[THATHURMANATOR]

Yeah, because people jump on bandwagon's like that of the Buffalo Bills! The last time anyone jumped on the Buffalo Bills Bandwagon was most likely in 1996 (or whenever the hell Flutie and his mullet came to town).

There is no good reason to jump onto the wagon. I'm here because I've always been here. I'd say that everyone is allowed to have a pissed off day where they question their fanhood of a team. Monday was mine!
I don't make the bandwagoner rules pride. I am sorry.

[madness]

Forgive me for having male PMS for a day!

Well, at least you got the PMS part right.