View Full Version : How Many Steps Has TO Lost Last Year?
ghz in pittsburgh
03-08-2009, 08:05 PM
how many is he going to lose next season?
After all the guy is 35.
The real danger I see is that his performance declines further, and he, like all guys before him, refuses to believe it. That's when the blame flies and things gets ugly.
Did Jerry Rice play into his 40s? Maybe TO is one of those rare breed in Rice's category.
DrGraves
03-08-2009, 08:37 PM
Have you seen pictures of this guy??? He is jacked, he is a freak of nature... I'm not worried about him losing anything anytime soon.
SeatownBillsFan21
03-08-2009, 08:41 PM
Dude could play till hes 40.
casdhf
03-08-2009, 09:05 PM
I think he'll have a career a lot like Darrell Green
elltrain22
03-08-2009, 09:08 PM
He's gonna blow it up next year. You'll see
AndreReed83
03-08-2009, 09:08 PM
Having watched every Dallas game last season, the reports of the decline in his play from last year are greatly exaggerated. I think the "decline" was more of a product of a miss utilized offense that featured a mess of an protection scheme, the lack of a running game, and miscast wideouts. Jason Garrett's offense was pretty terrible most of the season.
Of course, the Bills may have had the worst offensive gameplanning, and coaching in general, last season.
Mitchell55
03-08-2009, 09:11 PM
He had 10 TDs last year. Hes not declining.
cocamide
03-08-2009, 09:20 PM
0.23 steps
OpIv37
03-08-2009, 10:15 PM
TO minus 10 steps is still better than any other potential #2 WR currently on our team.
Can we agree Andre Reed was in his prime in 91? That is the only season he had double digit touchdowns.
Well he had 81 receptions, 1100 yards receiving and 10 TD's for 13.7 yards a reception.
Last year TO had 69 receptions 1050 yards receiving and 10 TD's for 15.2 yards per reception.
If TO's decline is pretty equal to one of Andre Reeds best years, then I think we are doing OK.
The other thing to remember is TO loves it when he has something to prove, he thrives on that type of thing.
Do you think for one minute that being publicly dissed by several teams is not going to have him playing with a chip on his shoulder?
I am just glad Miami is one of the teams that dissed him, he is going to love sticking it to them twice this year!
Luisito23
03-09-2009, 06:36 AM
TO is the last person I worry about losing steps...His conditioning is amazing!
streetkings01
03-09-2009, 06:57 AM
Can we agree Andre Reed was in his prime in 91? That is the only season he had double digit touchdowns.
Well he had 81 receptions, 1100 yards receiving and 10 TD's for 13.7 yards a reception.
Last year TO had 69 receptions 1050 yards receiving and 10 TD's for 15.2 yards per reception.
If TO's decline is pretty equal to one of Andre Reeds best years, then I think we are doing OK.You cant compare todays football with football of the 90's! 1000 yard rushers back in the 90s made you an elite RB, 1500+ yards rushing makes you elite these days. Pro Bowl Qbs completed just above 50% of their passes, nowadays if your not completing 60%+ you may not be in the league very long!
ghz in pittsburgh
03-09-2009, 08:08 AM
Here is the piece from Buffalo News regarding TO's decline.
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/billsnfl/story/601872.html
I have to believe that it is a concern on Cowboys mind.
Granted, he's coming from a much higher level than anyone we have ever had, including Andre Reed. I just want to point out that bad things usually happen with him when the things don't work out as planned. And how many times things has gone as they envisioned for the Bills?
TacklingDummy
03-09-2009, 10:25 AM
how many is he going to lose next season?
After all the guy is 35.
The real danger I see is that his performance declines further, and he, like all guys before him, refuses to believe it. That's when the blame flies and things gets ugly.
Did Jerry Rice play into his 40s? Maybe TO is one of those rare breed in Rice's category.
He could lose 3 steps and he would still be the best WR on the Bills.
!Papacrunk!
03-09-2009, 12:16 PM
He could lose 3 steps and he would still be the best WR on the Bills.
it may be a dumb question, but Owens will be the #1 WR, correct?
ghz in pittsburgh
03-09-2009, 12:23 PM
it may be a dumb question, but Owens will be the #1 WR, correct?
One of the SI article had it that Dick Jauron had a face-to-face meeting with TO before the signing, informing him that Lee Evans will still get a lot balls to be the #1 receiver ...
TacklingDummy
03-09-2009, 12:28 PM
it may be a dumb question, but Owens will be the #1 WR, correct?
I'd assume so. Depending on if the Bills QB is worth a crap.
SoCalBillsFan
03-09-2009, 12:29 PM
how many is he going to lose next season?
After all the guy is 35.
The real danger I see is that his performance declines further, and he, like all guys before him, refuses to believe it. That's when the blame flies and things gets ugly.
Did Jerry Rice play into his 40s? Maybe TO is one of those rare breed in Rice's category.
Let's say for a sec you're right - what exactly have we lost by doing this? We needed a WR. What was the other options? Is the 6.5 million going to keep us from signing someone else? Unlikely.
This is a no lose situation. If it works, great. If not, then it's status quo.
Mahdi
03-09-2009, 12:34 PM
how many is he going to lose next season?
After all the guy is 35.
The real danger I see is that his performance declines further, and he, like all guys before him, refuses to believe it. That's when the blame flies and things gets ugly.
Did Jerry Rice play into his 40s? Maybe TO is one of those rare breed in Rice's category.
I think it was just a bad year for the Cowboys and it affected TO's numbers.
He also didn't have Romo for 3 or 4 games which would have a big impact on his overall stats.
mybills
03-09-2009, 03:46 PM
Lee said he's still #1 WR.
TO may have had 10 TD's last year, but NFLN said he's had 12 dropped passes in the last 2 years. That's not good. I don't remember who it is here that always finds the stats, but I wanted to ask if there's a chart that shows all WR's where that's concerned. ?
madness
03-09-2009, 03:55 PM
Lee said he's still #1 WR.
TO may have had 10 TD's last year, but NFLN said he's had 12 dropped passes in the last 2 years. That's not good. I don't remember who it is here that always finds the stats, but I wanted to ask if there's a chart that shows all WR's where that's concerned. ?
I don't have the exact numbers but he's definitely near the top in that category but I do know he's had some health issues with his hands as well. Even still, we may possibly have the best #2 on the planet.
OpIv37
03-09-2009, 08:13 PM
You cant compare todays football with football of the 90's! 1000 yard rushers back in the 90s made you an elite RB, 1500+ yards rushing makes you elite these days. Pro Bowl Qbs completed just above 50% of their passes, nowadays if your not completing 60%+ you may not be in the league very long!
1000 yards NEVER made anyone elite in a 16 game season. That's only 62.5 yards a game.
Goobylal
03-09-2009, 08:21 PM
According to STATS, Inc., TO had 9 drops last year. That's about 3-4 more than the surest-handed WR's, with the exception of Fitz, who dropped 2. I'm not going to fret about 0.5 dropped passes a game.
And even if TO has lost a step, he's still the best #2 WR in the NFL and certainly better than Coles would have been.
streetkings01
03-09-2009, 09:38 PM
1000 yards NEVER made anyone elite in a 16 game season. That's only 62.5 yards a game.1000 yards in the early 90s made you an elite RB.
In 1990 only 8 RBs rushed for 1000+ yards
In 1991 only 7 RBs rushed for 1000+ yards
In 2007 17 RBs rushed for 1000+ yards
In 2008 16 RBs rushed for 1000+ yards
Proof that hitting a 1000 yards made you an elite RB back in the early 90s
The Spaz
03-09-2009, 09:45 PM
Getting 9 1000 yard season is pretty ****ing good though.
BillsWin
03-09-2009, 10:31 PM
T.O is as good as he's ever been, with Romo out a few games he still put up EXCELLENT numbers. better than what any of our number 2 options could do. Owens to Buffalo is one of the best move I've seen this organization make in years. maybe since Bledsoe. Yes, Bledsoe was a great move. You give the guy an o-line and we would have made the super bowl with him. People forget that yes, he got sacked alot and didnt run, but that was his game and he needed a o-line that could protect him and he'd thrive. back to T.O.If you don't like the move then you are reading too much into his past issues and media stereotypes against him. From what I have heard personally from people that have talked to him 1 on 1 and players from Dallas, he was just very competitive and always wants to win. In his mind, that means getting the ball and making plays for his team. Great move by the Bills, at 35 he is still tops in the league!
BillsWin
03-09-2009, 10:32 PM
Much better than Coles.
Luisito23
03-10-2009, 04:28 AM
By 10 thousand miles...
yordad
03-10-2009, 05:21 AM
In the not so distant past I seen him blow by Crayton and blow up a DB with a block.
mybills
03-10-2009, 06:52 AM
I don't have the exact numbers but he's definitely near the top in that category but I do know he's had some health issues with his hands as well.
Thanks madness. Didn't know about his health/hand issues.
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