Cutler, Evans, TO oh my

[NoCrowell?]

I still would not be overly surprised if our beloved Trent got traded for Cutler. Modrok, Guy, and the Bills organization are all enamoured with Cutler and ESPN just reported the situation with Cutler may be unsalvagable at this point.

Remember I called the TO signing first and all of you said I was crazy.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Mike Klis, of The Denver Post (http://www.kffl.com/link/184), reports Denver Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) head coach Josh McDaniels (http://www.kffl.com/player/13673/nfl) and QB Jay Cutler (http://www.kffl.com/player/13538/nfl) talked on the phone Monday, March 9, but things were not smoothed over for the disgruntled quarterback. Per a league source, Cutler left the conversation believing he will be traded by the Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) between now and the NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) if the team finds the right deal. The Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) previously announced Cutler would not be traded. Cutler thought everything would be smoothed over during the call, but was reportedly told by McDaniels that no one is untradeable. The team told him they expect him to report for their offseason conditioning program, but, per a source, Cutler has not decided if he will report Monday, March 16.

[Philagape]

Sal says the Bills aren't interested :no: And he broke the TO signing

[Dying_-2-_Live]

This would ruin the offseason :(

[Midwesternbillsfan]

No, you called the Lavernanues Coles' signing last Tuesday evening and you were categorically wrong. No Crowell? No Coles, either. And no credibility while we're at it.

[topher180]

This would ruin the offseason :(

Really? Cutler would likely play a full season, can play in cold weather, and would not be limited to check downs.

If by ruin you mean improve than I say ditto sir!

[DynaPaul]

Cutler to Buffalo? Doubt it.

[topher180]

I still would not be overly surprised if our beloved Trent got traded for Cutler. Modrok, Guy, and the Bills organization are all enamoured with Cutler and ESPN just reported the situation with Cutler may be unsalvagable at this point.

Remember I called the TO signing first and all of you said I was crazy.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Mike Klis, of The Denver Post (http://www.kffl.com/link/184), reports Denver Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) head coach Josh McDaniels (http://www.kffl.com/player/13673/nfl) and QB Jay Cutler (http://www.kffl.com/player/13538/nfl) talked on the phone Monday, March 9, but things were not smoothed over for the disgruntled quarterback. Per a league source, Cutler left the conversation believing he will be traded by the Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) between now and the NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) if the team finds the right deal. The Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) previously announced Cutler would not be traded. Cutler thought everything would be smoothed over during the call, but was reportedly told by McDaniels that no one is untradeable. The team told him they expect him to report for their offseason conditioning program, but, per a source, Cutler has not decided if he will report Monday, March 16.

You're like the Bobby Heenan of Bills Zone. :poop:

[NoCrowell?]

Anyone that would use a Bobby Heenan analogy loses all credibility in my book. Why don't you go read a comic book and jerk it to an old Wrestlemania VI DVD. When you're interested in actually making the playoffs come talk to me.

You're like the Bobby Heenan of Bills Zone. :poop:

[Jaybird]

won't happen

[topher180]

Anyone that would use a Bobby Heenan analogy loses all credibility in my book. Why don't you go read a comic book and jerk it to an old Wrestlemania VI DVD. When you're interested in actually making the playoffs come talk to me.

Not that you deserve a response but....

this sounds like a case of stones a class houses my friend. You responded a little too quick and had a few too many references in there to be supposedly oblivious to pro wrestling. You basically discredited yourself dummy by knowing what I was talking about. A better response, though more predictable, would have been "who is Bobby Heenan" or "I had to Wiki him, nice reference geek"

Go edit your post...I will give you another shot. Maybe after I clean up after the jerk session I will read it.

[topher180]

Anyone that would use a Bobby Heenan analogy loses all credibility in my book. Why don't you go read a comic book and jerk it to an old Wrestlemania VI DVD. When you're interested in actually making the playoffs come talk to me.

And for the record, I don't read comic books...........anymore.

[NoCrowell?]

Not that you deserve a response but....

this sounds like a case of stones a class houses my friend. You responded a little too quick and had a few too many references in there to be supposedly oblivious to pro wrestling. You basically discredited yourself dummy by knowing what I was talking about. A better response, though more predictable, would have been "who is Bobby Heenan" or "I had to Wiki him, nice reference geek"

Go edit your post...I will give you another shot. Maybe after I clean up after the jerk session I will read it.

Wow, you just proved that I watched wrestling about 15 years ago a shade before I had my first wet dream.....GO YOU! The fact that you went out of your way to Use a Bobby Heenan Analogy just proves to me that you still fantasize about Ravishing Rick Rude. But it's ok, I mean there has to be a reason why you like Trent Edward more than Jay Cutler because it's obviously not because of his quarterbacking prowess. Not that I think Trent Edwards is a bad QB, but c'mon, 18 TD 18 int. a 12-11 record is hardly anything to get excited about.

And actually the old cliche is that one shouldn't throw stones if one lives in a glass house. Nice try though. :poop:

[THATHURMANATOR]

I still would not be overly surprised if our beloved Trent got traded for Cutler. Modrok, Guy, and the Bills organization are all enamoured with Cutler and ESPN just reported the situation with Cutler may be unsalvagable at this point.

Remember I called the TO signing first and all of you said I was crazy.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Mike Klis, of The Denver Post (http://www.kffl.com/link/184), reports Denver Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) head coach Josh McDaniels (http://www.kffl.com/player/13673/nfl) and QB Jay Cutler (http://www.kffl.com/player/13538/nfl) talked on the phone Monday, March 9, but things were not smoothed over for the disgruntled quarterback. Per a league source, Cutler left the conversation believing he will be traded by the Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) between now and the NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) if the team finds the right deal. The Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) previously announced Cutler would not be traded. Cutler thought everything would be smoothed over during the call, but was reportedly told by McDaniels that no one is untradeable. The team told him they expect him to report for their offseason conditioning program, but, per a source, Cutler has not decided if he will report Monday, March 16.
You are like the Jimmy Hart of the zone.....

[NoCrowell?]

You are like the Jimmy Hart of the zone.....

Lol, another really cool person on the boards!! Shocker

[plundar]

As much as I would like it to happen...it won't.

[venis2k1]

go play madden kid. Wont happen.

Whatca' gonna do when Owens-mania runs wild on you??

[SquishDaFish]

The Fabulous Moolah (spelling?) of the Zone :lmao:

[The Spaz]

As much as I would like it to happen...it won't.

Why so you can have a below .500 QB?

[Raptor]

Cutler reminds me of J.George, I'll pass

[Pinkerton Security]

Cutler reminds me of J.George, I'll pass

you know you stole that from the ESPN.com article...

Kiper compares Cutler to Jeff George (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=69). "Jeff George had a great arm, and Jeff George had a lot of great games in this league, and people were putting Jeff George in the HOF early in his career," Kiper says. "So I'm just telling you, this is ridiculous."

I'd post the link but its Insider anyways, so tis from an article written by, yup Mel Kiper.

If not, kudos brother.

[Oaf]

You're crazy.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Lol, another really cool person on the boards!! Shocker
I am a cornerstone of the zone. Nothing to be shocked of though.

[TacklingDummy]

I still would not be overly surprised if our beloved Trent got traded for Cutler. Modrok, Guy, and the Bills organization are all enamoured with Cutler and ESPN just reported the situation with Cutler may be unsalvagable at this point.


They were so enamored with Cutler that they passed on him and reached for Whitner instead.

[Raptor]

you know you stole that from the ESPN.com article...

Kiper compares Cutler to Jeff George (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=69). "Jeff George had a great arm, and Jeff George had a lot of great games in this league, and people were putting Jeff George in the HOF early in his career," Kiper says. "So I'm just telling you, this is ridiculous."

I'd post the link but its Insider anyways, so tis from an article written by, yup Mel Kiper.

If not, kudos brother.


I dont have Insider and I dont like Kiper so its a coincidence

[Bill Brasky]

I can see the Bills making a play for him *if* it plays out as follows:

1) Cutler is still a Bronco at the start of the season
2) The Bills/Edwards struggle early in the year (IE he regresses like Losman did)
3) TO starts to *****
4) They need to save their season and are convinced Edwards is no longer the answer

I like Edwards and still believe in him, but based on how the 2 have played so far in their careers, Cutler is the better QB - and it's not as if Cutler has had "better" weapons around him.

[Philagape]

I'm the Dynamite Kid of the Zone.

[Pinkerton Security]

I can see the Bills making a play for him *if* it plays out as follows:

1) Cutler is still a Bronco at the start of the season
2) The Bills/Edwards struggle early in the year (IE he regresses like Losman did)
3) TO starts to *****
4) They need to save their season and are convinced Edwards is no longer the answer

I like Edwards and still believe in him, but based on how the 2 have played so far in their careers, Cutler is the better QB - and it's not as if Cutler has had "better" weapons around him.

so you think Lee is better than Brandon Marshall? also, a lot can be said about having Shanahan and their OC (his name escapes me now) as opposed to Jauron and Turk.

[Night Train]

The Iron Mike Sharp of the Zone ( jobber )

[Bill Brasky]

so you think Lee is better than Brandon Marshall?

where the hell do you see that?

i was implying Cutler's played with worse around him.

[Philagape]

and it's not as if Cutler has had "better" weapons around him.

Are you kidding? Edwards never had weapons like Marshall, Royal and Scheffler, not even close. Plus a line that allowed only 12 sacks all year

[Jan Reimers]

Let's stop worrying about Cutler and get a G, LB, TE, DT, DE or S, which we need a lot more than a head case QB.

[Pinkerton Security]

where the hell do you see that?

i was implying Cutler's played with worse around him.

and im saying he doesnt have a worse supporting cast. I say Eddie Royal is better than Reed or Roscoe or any other player we have as a #2, and Scheffler is 1000X better than Royal. Our RB's do blow theirs away, though.

But with their coaching and system, I was implying that all these other factors negate each other (though I still say broncs have the edge bc of coaching), and it left it up to the #1 WR's to decide who is better. And Marshall is just better than Lee.

[Bill Brasky]

Are you kidding? Edwards never had weapons like Marshall, Royal and Scheffler, not even close. Plus a line that allowed only 12 sacks all year

I find the love for Brandon Marshall shocking considering half of you seem to hate on Marshawn for being "a criminal".

I would take Evans over Marshall any day.

The Bills and Broncos were identical in rushing statistics last season. I think Denver had a whopping 20 more yards on the ground than Buffalo. And Denver didn't have to play Miami and New England twice.

Cutler's avg per pass was 7.1 Edwards was 6.9. Cutler had nearly 200 more attempts than Edwards/Losman last year. This shows me the coach is confident in his ability to make sound decisions, thus they give him more opportunities to make plays.

I guess since I have to spell things out point blank for you people here: Cutler has done more than Edwards with essentially the same cast. He has 1 stud WR, an avg running game, and a decent line. The difference between him and Edwards is Cutler has had better coaching and therefore makes quicker/better decisions than Edwards. He also hasn't had to play for a perennial loser or a team in "rebuilding mode" year in and year out. Good coaching and a stable environment (until now) - what a novel idea.

I never made a reference to his offensive line either way in my original post so please don't put words in my mouth.

[Pinkerton Security]

I find the love for Brandon Marshall shocking considering half of you seem to hate on Marshawn for being "a criminal".

I would take Evans over Marshall any day.

The Bills and Broncos were identical in rushing statistics last season. I think Denver had a whopping 20 more yards on the ground than Buffalo. And Denver didn't have to play Miami and New England twice.

Cutler's avg per pass was 7.1 Edwards was 6.9. Cutler had nearly 200 more attempts than Edwards/Losman last year. This shows me the coach is confident in his ability to make sound decisions, thus they give him more opportunities to make plays.

I guess since I have to spell things out point blank for you people here: Cutler has done more than Edwards with essentially the same cast. He has 1 stud WR, an avg running game, and a decent line. The difference between him and Edwards is Cutler has had better coaching and therefore makes quicker/better decisions than Edwards. He also hasn't had to play for a perennial loser or a team in "rebuilding mode" year in and year out. Good coaching and a stable environment (until now) - what a novel idea.

I never made a reference to his offensive line either way in my original post so please don't put words in my mouth.

i agree with you that their casts are very similar. but to ignore the OL as well as coaching is ignoring a lot.

[justasportsfan]

Are you kidding? Edwards never had weapons like Marshall, Royal and Scheffler, not even close. Plus a line that allowed only 12 sacks all year
lol. Philagape sounds like a JP licker :snicker:

[Bill Brasky]

and im saying he doesnt have a worse supporting cast. I say Eddie Royal is better than Reed or Roscoe or any other player we have as a #2, and Scheffler is 1000X better than Royal. Our RB's do blow theirs away, though.

But with their coaching and system, I was implying that all these other factors negate each other (though I still say broncs have the edge bc of coaching), and it left it up to the #1 WR's to decide who is better. And Marshall is just better than Lee.

Josh Reed and Eddie Royal had the same YPC last year. Denver threw 200+ more times than Buffalo and played in the AFC West. They get KC and Oak 2 times a year. Reed goes against New England, Miami, and NYJ twice a year. Do the math.

[Bill Brasky]

i agree with you that their casts are very similar. but to ignore the OL as well as coaching is ignoring a lot.

I never ignored it, it's a given that their coaching and OL is/was better. i didn't realize it had to be pointed out every time we discuss this topic.

[Bill Brasky]

either way, my point is at this time I think Cutler would be a better fit to this organization. I still think Edwards is our guy, but if the bills start 1-4 because of his poor play they'd have no reason NOT to go after Cutler.

[Philagape]

I find the love for Brandon Marshall shocking considering half of you seem to hate on Marshawn for being "a criminal".

I would take Evans over Marshall any day.

The Bills and Broncos were identical in rushing statistics last season. I think Denver had a whopping 20 more yards on the ground than Buffalo. And Denver didn't have to play Miami and New England twice.

Cutler's avg per pass was 7.1 Edwards was 6.9. Cutler had nearly 200 more attempts than Edwards/Losman last year. This shows me the coach is confident in his ability to make sound decisions, thus they give him more opportunities to make plays.

I guess since I have to spell things out point blank for you people here: Cutler has done more than Edwards with essentially the same cast. He has 1 stud WR, an avg running game, and a decent line. The difference between him and Edwards is Cutler has had better coaching and therefore makes quicker/better decisions than Edwards. He also hasn't had to play for a perennial loser or a team in "rebuilding mode" year in and year out. Good coaching and a stable environment (until now) - what a novel idea.

I never made a reference to his offensive line either way in my original post so please don't put words in my mouth.

I wasn't comparing Cutler and Edwards. Their styles are polar opposites, and each has their pros and cons.
I was countering the unbelievably ridiculous claim that Cutler had less to work with. That's insane.
That you brought up Marshall being a criminal, which is totally irrelevant to your claim, shows that you can't back it up.
Marshall is better than Evans. Eddie Royal is 10 times better than any secondary receiver we had. Scheffler is 10 times better than any tight end we have (as was Daniel Graham, their No. 2 TE). Their fourth receiver was Darrell Jackson.
He had the best line in the league, which gave up a THIRD of the sacks ours did.
Their running game matched ours (in total yards) even though they were down to their SIXTH running back. And their avg was 4.8 while ours was 4.2
And as your said, better coaching.
Essentially the same cast???? :coocoo:

[Bill Brasky]

I wasn't comparing Cutler and Edwards. Their styles are polar opposites, and each has their pros and cons.
I was countering the unbelievably ridiculous claim that Cutler had less to work with. That's insane.
That you brought up Marshall being a criminal, which is totally irrelevant to your claim, shows that you can't back it up.
Marshall is better than Evans. Eddie Royal is 10 times better than any secondary receiver we had. Scheffler is 10 times better than any tight end we have (as was Daniel Graham, their No. 2 TE). Their fourth receiver was Darrell Jackson.
He had the best line in the league, which gave up a THIRD of the sacks ours did.
Their running game matched ours (in total yards) even though they were down to their SIXTH running back. And their avg was 4.8 while ours was 4.2
And as your said, better coaching.
Essentially the same cast???? :coocoo:

So Eddie Royal is 10 times better than everyone on our roster based on ONE amazing season - a ROOKIE season at that?

You're right it's not every day that a WR blows the gates off his first season. I can't think of 1 WR that had a great rookie season and dropped back down to reality the following year. Esp when playing along side a guy like Marshall who I never denied being a #1. And I'm sure single coverage against KC or OAK 4 times a year didn't hurt. /sarcasm off

I'm sure you could put Parrish, Reed, Royal or any of other "stud" role players on a team that has better coaching in a much weaker division and they'd see levels of success they'll never see in Buffalo. Point being - in this case I don't see it as the players being great so much as the system/circumstances they're playing in allows them to be great. Do you really think Royal would have put up the same numbers in Buffalo?

If you watched the Broncos last year, Royal had THREE good games. Against Oak, KC, and Cleveland - GARBAGE TEAMS. The other 13 games he eclipsed 80 yards just ONCE (in part to a 50+ catch) and was held to less than 50 yards SEVEN TIMES. He racked up a lot of catches in single coverage, short yardage situations.

I'm not saying he's worse than Josh Reed, but you're making him out to be an all-pro based on one season where his best games were against 3 of the worst teams in the league.

I never said Marshall wasn't elite, I said I'd take Evans over him because I think Evans is a better receiver on a ****tier team.

When Denver's QB throws 200+ more passes than Buffalo's QB, the Denver WR's are going to have bigger numbers and look better on paper regardless. Which goes back to my original point about coaching and the QB. Here, the coaches didn't have enough confidence to allow Trent 600+ pass attempts, nor did he warrant such reward. Keep in mind he also missed a few games and played half the season concussed. If they did afford him 600+ passes, I bet Reed and Evans could have had higher numbers closer to Marshall and Royals.

[Philagape]

If you watched the Broncos last year, Royal had THREE good games. Against Oak, KC, and Cleveland - GARBAGE TEAMS. The other 13 games he eclipsed 80 yards just ONCE (in part to a 50+ catch) and was held to less than 50 yards SEVEN TIMES. He racked up a lot of catches in single coverage, short yardage situations.

I watched most of the Broncos' games last year, and everything I say is based as much off that as off of stats.
Know how many times Reed eclipsed 80 yards? Zero. Josh Reed does not make big plays. At all. One touchdown all year. Longest play all year 24 yards. And I say that having watched him his whole career. The numbers just confirm it.
Royal does make big plays. He can, as you pointed out, be effective in the short game AND long.
A few big plays is better than none. Inconsistent is better than non-existant.
Will he keep it up? Who knows? But last year the rookie blew Reed away, and not just on paper.
Reed would have been the fifth receiver in Denver. Royal would have started here.
Reed is good at his limited niche, but Royal was more versatile and more productive. As a rookie.
Yes, Denver passed a lot. Because they had the tools to do it. The Bills didn't. It's their crap receivers that have held them back as much as anything.

[Bill Brasky]

Hey, we disagree I guess, but at least you aren't an instigative ******* like some around here.

Do you think TO/Evans/Reed is better than Marshall/Royal/Scheffler? And do you think Cutler would perform better here with the weapons we now have as opposed to the ones he has in Denver? I guess that's how I look at it because Reed is the consummate slot guy. He's not a bonafied #2. I don't think Royal is a legit #2 just yet based off one great year (look at guys like Peerless Price who's stock dropped faster than the S&P after his best year) but maybe he'll stay consistently good and prove me wrong. I typically withhold judgement until the 2nd or 3rd year and there's a track record of consistancy. He certainly had a good rookie year. I simply think he was afforded more opportunities last year because he played with a better/more developed QB, not necessarily because he's a stud talent.

Either way I hope Edwards continues to develop so this entire thread is a moot point.

[Philagape]

With TO here, the talent's pretty similar, and we may have an edge, depending on if Royal keeps it up.
Cutler will always have bigger numbers simply because he's a gunslinger. But that doesn't mean he's the better QB. When they went head to head last year, Cutler had the numbers over Trent, but the Bills won because Cutler made a big mistake and Trent didn't. That's more important.