Is T.O. starting at Left Guard?

[HHURRICANE]

Serioulsy, no one seems to concerned that we don't have a LG. You might have thought Dockery was overpaid but he was better than what we had before and what we currently have.

People keep saying to be patient but we are not getting a starting LG in 2009 via the draft that isn't putting this whole offense at risk.

[Philagape]

Serioulsy, no one seems to concerned that we don't have a LG.

What on earth are you talking about? A lot of people are saying it. Don't be such a drama queen.

[Jan Reimers]

No, OLB. He's going to be the first full time, two way player since Chuck Bednarek.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Serioulsy, no one seems to concerned that we don't have a LG. You might have thought Dockery was overpaid but he was better than what we had before and what we currently have.

People keep saying to be patient but we are not getting a starting LG in 2009 via the draft that isn't putting this whole offense at risk.
Yes he announced his position change at the first press conference. Where have you been?

[DrGraves]

Okay thats good news... Hardy is a much more dominant WR anyways.

[Jeff1220]

I know I'm still concerned over here. I'd still like to see OG and LB addressed before the draft.

[Patrick76777]

Yes he announced his position change at the first press conference. Where have you been?


Gosh, I hope the Bills didn't forget that they don't have a guard? What if they did forget? We'd have to play with only 4 O-linemen. God, we'd suck.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Gosh, I hope the Bills didn't forget that they don't have a guard? What if they did forget? We'd have to play with only 4 O-linemen. God, we'd suck.
Seriously. Not like we couldn't get another Butler type in the 4th round who would be better than Dockery.

[HHURRICANE]

Gosh, I hope the Bills didn't forget that they don't have a guard? What if they did forget? We'd have to play with only 4 O-linemen. God, we'd suck.

See now that's funny without having to rip the the poster.

[DraftBoy]

What on earth are you talking about? A lot of people are saying it. Don't be such a drama queen.

Hit the nail on the head here.

It has been brought up countless times since the day of the TO signing.

[DrGraves]

Why has there been nothing going on at OBD since T.O. signed... ? You would think we'd be getting lots of FAs in since buffalo suddenly looks like a much more attractive destination.

[HHURRICANE]

What on earth are you talking about? A lot of people are saying it. Don't be such a drama queen.

No, alot of people aren't saying it.

Instead people are running around here posting about how great our offense looks and how NE is all worried.

A 4th rounder is not going to play better than Dockery. We had a 4th rounder at Center that was here 5 years and got cut. But somehow we are going to draft another Brad Buter.

I didn't know that we could distinguish between Bard Butler and Duke Preston on draft day. My mistake.

[THATHURMANATOR]

See now that's funny without having to rip the the poster.
What about my post?

[ddaryl]

I have no idea why you think this HH... The subject has been brought up many times pre and post TO...

[DraftBoy]

No, alot of people aren't saying it.

Instead people are running around here posting about how great our offense looks and how NE is all worried.

A 4th rounder is not going to play better than Dockery. We had a 4th rounder at Center that was here 5 years and got cut. But somehow we are going to draft another Brad Buter.

I didn't know that we could distinguish between Bard Butler and Duke Preston on draft day. My mistake.


No a lot of people are saying it actually.

[THATHURMANATOR]

No, alot of people aren't saying it.

.
I would say that 74% of the people are saying it. And that is a low estimate.

[TacklingDummy]

Serioulsy, no one seems to concerned that we don't have a LG. You might have thought Dockery was overpaid but he was better than what we had before and what we currently have. The Bills have so many other holes why sign a left guard? It's not like he would help us win any games. The Bills are going to suck so why sign any free agents? /sarcasm off

[yordad]

I heard they were doing 6 wide all year.

[Dr. Lecter]

No, alot of people aren't saying it.



http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=171602

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=171597

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=171540

All three threads were active as of yesterday and all three had discussions about a guard.

[Dr. Lecter]

The Bills have so many other holes why sign a left guard? It's not like he would help us win any games. The Bills are going to suck so why sign any free agents? /sarcasm off

"Why do you hate having good players on the Bills?"

"The Bills should trade Lynch and Peters."

[psubills62]

Just because people are excited that one hole is filled doesn't mean they aren't concerned about the other holes.

And what's wrong with filling our starting LG position with a rookie? It's a deep OG draft. Look at how the rookie OL-men did last year - all but a few did great.

[HHURRICANE]

What about my post?

Mine.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Just because people are excited that one hole is filled doesn't mean they aren't concerned about the other holes.

And what's wrong with filling our starting LG position with a rookie? It's a deep OG draft. Look at how the rookie OL-men did last year - all but a few did great.
quality post from a quality poster! :bf1:

[Pinkerton Security]

we better get on it, our first game is next week!!! holy crap!

[THATHURMANATOR]

Mine.
mine what?

[HHURRICANE]

Just because people are excited that one hole is filled doesn't mean they aren't concerned about the other holes.

And what's wrong with filling our starting LG position with a rookie? It's a deep OG draft. Look at how the rookie OL-men did last year - all but a few did great.

There is no reason to get excited about TO if Trent has no time to throw to him. Period.

There is no way in hell that I want to count on our FO to bring a rookie in to start at LG.

Ellis was a 3rd round DE and I'm not sure he registered 1 sack. Think about it?

I just think this board never really thinks things through.

[THATHURMANATOR]

There is no reason to get excited about TO if Trent has no time to throw to him. Period.

There is no way in hell that I want to count on our FO to bring a rookie in to start at LG.

Ellis was a 3rd round DE and I'm not sure he registered 1 sack. Think about it?

I just think this board never really thinks things through.
HOLLLLLLY F.

I think HH just reads only the threads he starts. It is the only explaination for this post. The remaining holes have had multiple(too many) threads discussing. I know I posted one myself.

Pull it together HH

[Pinkerton Security]

There is no reason to get excited about TO if Trent has no time to throw to him. Period.

There is no way in hell that I want to count on our FO to bring a rookie in to start at LG.

Ellis was a 3rd round DE and I'm not sure he registered 1 sack. Think about it?

I just think this board never really thinks things through.

ya because 3rd round rookie DE that was intended as a project and a Lg would be soooooo similar.

and havent you seen enough evidence that most of us are thinking about the hole at LG? so let that point go, just because there arent multiple threads with titles like "OMG WE'RE SO F'ED BC WE DONT HAVE A LG!!!" doesnt mean people arent thinking about it.

[mayotm]

Guess I missed tha anouncement about free ageny being over and the draft being cancelled.

[HHURRICANE]

Guess I missed tha anouncement about free ageny being over and the draft being cancelled.

Well, who are we looking at for LG in FA?? Anyone?

[psubills62]

There is no reason to get excited about TO if Trent has no time to throw to him. Period.

There is no way in hell that I want to count on our FO to bring a rookie in to start at LG.

Ellis was a 3rd round DE and I'm not sure he registered 1 sack. Think about it?

I just think this board never really thinks things through.

I don't know how Hangartner will play, but I'm going to assume he's better than Fowler and Preston. And come on - Roscoe Parrish at OG would have been better than Derrick "Turnstile" Dockery.

Did you realize that several OG's, including Simmons, still haven't signed with anyone? Nothing's preventing us from signing him or another player.

What the heck does Ellis have to do with an OG? Gee, you can use one draft pick at a completely different position to prove that a rookie OG would be horrible as a starter? There's so many different ways to attack that incredible logic that I don't know where to start.

[Pinkerton Security]

Well, who are we looking at for LG in FA?? Anyone?

Kendall Simmons and are looking at a possible trade for Brian Waters, per discussions a week or two ago.

[mikemac2001]

YES!!! Thats obvious

[theanswer74]

Serioulsy, no one seems to concerned that we don't have a LG. You might have thought Dockery was overpaid but he was better than what we had before and what we currently have.

People keep saying to be patient but we are not getting a starting LG in 2009 via the draft that isn't putting this whole offense at risk.

Explain how he was better? He had worse sack numbers then any OG we put there.

[HHURRICANE]

ya because 3rd round rookie DE that was intended as a project and a Lg would be soooooo similar.

and havent you seen enough evidence that most of us are thinking about the hole at LG? so let that point go, just because there arent multiple threads with titles like "OMG WE'RE SO F'ED BC WE DONT HAVE A LG!!!" doesnt mean people arent thinking about it.

Where was the article that we drafted him as a "project"? Third round project?

I just read that we'll be fine addressing it in the 4th round. Just read it in this thread.

I guarantee that people will be drinking the koolaid when Kirk Chambers, who sucks, is anounced as our starting LG. Than Chris Brown will write an inspiring article about he has developed from a hot steaming peice of crap to a starter.

[bigbub2352]

I have a strange feeling
that feeling means that we mite be looking in house to replace RG not LG
I think Butler is moving over to LG and we will look at Chambers or Demetrus Bell who the coaching staff have been raving about as well as there was an article were Kyle Williams praised the hell out of him as well, am i saying i like it no but i got a feeling we mite be doing this and drafting a few interior Olineman in the draft Rds 3-6 as possible rds they draft them

That being said i really like Mike Goff and Kendall Simmons as replacements for RG if Butler is to be moved over

[Pinkerton Security]

Where was the article that we drafted him as a "project"? Third round project?

I just read that we'll be fine addressing it in the 4th round. Just read it in this thread.

I guarantee that people will be drinking the koolaid when Kirk Chambers, who sucks, is anounced as our starting LG. Than Chris Brown will write an inspiring article about he has developed from a hot steaming peice of crap to a starter.
i dont have an article, but ask anyone on this board if they thought he was anything OTHER THAN a starter from day one, and I can tell you what they would say.

And I agree that i dont want a 4th rounder starting at LG, if thats what you were saying. But who knows what will happen? perhaps we put hangartner at LG and draft a center in a draft that has many solid options? I almost think thats partly why we got Hangartner, because he is versatile.

[mayotm]

Well, who are we looking at for LG in FA?? Anyone?They had Simmons in for a visit and he hasn't signed elsewhere yet. However, the Bills haven't run all their plans by me yet. Once they do, you'll be the first to know. Now go start yet another thread about how TO doesn't fill all the holes. Most of us are intelligent enough to understand that.

[HHURRICANE]

Kendall Simmons and are looking at a possible trade for Brian Waters, per discussions a week or two ago.

That trade rumor is a joke. The Chiefs aren't even shopping him. He wants to be traded along with half the players in the league.

Simmons had major surgery on his achilles. That's why he isn't signed.

[Dr. Lecter]

There is no reason to get excited about TO if Trent has no time to throw to him. Period.

There is no way in hell that I want to count on our FO to bring a rookie in to start at LG.

Ellis was a 3rd round DE and I'm not sure he registered 1 sack. Think about it?

I just think this board never really thinks things through.

I am not sure you have been reading many of the threads lately. I posted three from yesterday that discussed the need for a guard. I think comparing a rookie DE to a rookie guard is misleading at best.

Before you accuse others of not thinking things through, look around - many of us have raised the issue.

The good news is that Simmons and Goff are still available and maybe Waters via trade so all is not lost.

Bell might be an options as well - who knows how he has progressed though.

[Pinkerton Security]

That trade rumor is a joke. The Chiefs aren't even shopping him. He wants to be traded along with half the players in the league.

Simmons had major surgery on his achilles. That's why he isn't signed.

Ok. Who shall we go after then?

[Bill Brasky]

priorites:

LG
DE
TE
OLB

in that order?

[HHURRICANE]

I have a strange feeling
that feeling means that we mite be looking in house to replace RG not LG
I think Butler is moving over to LG and we will look at Chambers or Demetrus Bell who the coaching staff have been raving about as well as there was an article were Kyle Williams praised the hell out of him as well, am i saying i like it no but i got a feeling we mite be doing this and drafting a few interior Olineman in the draft Rds 3-6 as possible rds they draft them

That being said i really like Mike Goff and Kendall Simmons as replacements for RG if Butler is to be moved over

Intelligent post. Thank God!!

Yes, I have thought about this move as well. This still means that we get an unproven player on the line which makes us no better than last year when we were playing musical Centers.

This team just can't seem to get it right with either line and this is why we continue to suck.

[Dr. Lecter]

priorites:

LG
DE
TE
OLB

in that order?

I would probably put TE last - I prefer Fine starting to Ellison and think with TO the Bills have a red zone target making TE less of a priority.

Sign a LG in FA. Sign a OLB in FA. Draft a DE, DT and TE (in some order). It won't fix everything this year, but it does fill holes.

[theanswer74]

Intelligent post. Thank God!!

Yes, I have thought about this move as well. This still means that we get an unproven player on the line which makes us no better than last year when we were playing musical Centers.

This team just can't seem to get it right with either line and this is why we continue to suck.

Depends on how you look at unproven.

Unproven player > Bad player

We are replcing the 2 worst positions on the OL, C and LG. You cant ask for much more.

If you really want to get better on the OL, you draft one.

[HHURRICANE]

Ok. Who shall we go after then?

That's exactly my point. This team is in such a hurry to jettison players, like the Crowell debacle last year, that we don't even look at the ramifications.

Why cut Dockery before you have an adequate replacement? We saved 3.5 million on a roster bonus? Big deal. Keep the guy until the hole is filled and than trade him if we get what we want.

Was the 3.5 million worth some draft picks? Maybe? Instead we were in such a hurry to save 3.5 million that we got zero for him and still have a hole to fill.

[psubills62]

I would probably put TE last - I prefer Fine starting to Ellison and think with TO the Bills have a red zone target making TE less or a priority.

Sign a LG in FA. Sign a OLB in FA. Draft a DE, DT and TE (in some order). It won't fix everything this year, but it does fill holes.

My thoughts exactly in bold. People always want a TE that can "stretch the seam," but if our wide receivers were actually good, then Fine and Schouman would be good TE's because we wouldn't need them to be star receivers.

Just look at Arizona - three great WR's (I don't think we'll ever be at that level, this is just an example), so their TE's play a much smaller role in the passing offense. They didn't have any problem with that kind of offense.

I don't understand why people want a glorified WR at tight end...just draft a dang WR!

[Bill Brasky]

I would probably put TE last - I prefer Fine starting to Ellison and think with TO the Bills have a red zone target making TE less or a priority.

Sign a LG in FA. Sign a OLB in FA. Draft a DE, DT and TE (in some order). It won't fix everything this year, but it does fill holes.

I put them in that order based on us getting a DE. if we can land a pass rushing DE, it makes OLB less of a priority IMO. if they for some reason can't get a pass rushing DE then OLB becomes a big, if not THE, big hole to fill.

TE went way down the list when we got a legit #2 so I guess I could live with Fine for a year. he can't be worse than royal.

[bigbub2352]

Intelligent post. Thank God!!

Yes, I have thought about this move as well. This still means that we get an unproven player on the line which makes us no better than last year when we were playing musical Centers.

This team just can't seem to get it right with either line and this is why we continue to suck.

Unproven yes for Bell, i would not be a fan at all to starting Chambers anywhere on the Oline, but Bell mite have what it takes to be a solid RG ala unexperianced, but he has done all his developing at Tackle so like u said would not be much of an upgrade on paper anyway

Goff would come in and Simmons provided he is healthy and provide us the time to keep developing Bell and give us adequate depth at both tackles spots in the process
to me it is a no brainer get a Vet Olineman in here that can RunBlock and hold his own in the passing game and we upgraded

[Dr. Lecter]

That's exactly my point. This team is in such a hurry to jettison players, like the Crowell debacle last year, that we don't even look at the ramifications.

Why cut Dockery before you have an adequate replacement? We saved 3.5 million on a roster bonus? Big deal. Keep the guy until the hole is filled and than trade him if we get what we want.

Was the 3.5 million worth sopme draft picks? Maybe? Instead we were in such a hurry to save 3.5 million that we got zero for him and still have a hole to fill.

It was a hole when he was here.

Since FA is still ongoing and most of the guards originally available are still there I am not going to panic yet. If they sign Simmons or Goff, they have improved.

[HHURRICANE]

I would probably put TE last - I prefer Fine starting to Ellison and think with TO the Bills have a red zone target making TE less of a priority.

Sign a LG in FA. Sign a OLB in FA. Draft a DE, DT and TE (in some order). It won't fix everything this year, but it does fill holes.

You realize that TO is 35-36 and signed a one year deal? We need a TE in the draft for sure. The problem is we need a DE and LB some o-line help

[HHURRICANE]

Unproven yes for Bell, i would not be a fan at all to starting Chambers anywhere on the Oline, but Bell mite have what it takes to be a solid RG ala unexperianced, but he has done all his developing at Tackle so like u said would not be much of an upgrade on paper anyway

Goff would come in and Simmons provided he is healthy and provide us the time to keep developing Bell and give us adequate depth at both tackles spots in the process
to me it is a no brainer get a Vet Olineman in here that can RunBlock and hold his own in the passing game and we upgraded

I think we need Bell as one of the backup Tackles becuase if Peters or Walker gets hurt we are screwed. He looked pretty good at tackle.

[Philagape]

Schouman and Fine are the kind of TEs who will sneak up on you and make a play if the defense overlooks them and gives them space.
That will happen a lot more with TO on the field.

[Bill Brasky]

Schouman and Fine are the kind of TEs who will sneak up on you and make a play if the defense overlooks them and gives them space.
That will happen a lot more with TO on the field.

and it gives them 1 year of real game experience without the added pressure to step up and be a big play maker. they can learn on the job and keep their mistakes to a minimum. it's a win win for them.

[Philagape]

When Simmons and Waters and Goff are no longer available, then it's time to *****.

[THATHURMANATOR]

When Simmons and Waters and Goff are no longer available, then it's time to *****.
:bf1:

[Dr. Lecter]

You realize that TO is 35-36 and signed a one year deal? We need a TE in the draft for sure. The problem is we need a DE and LB some o-line help

I am well aware of that fact. Really I am.

They can sign an OLB in FA. They can sign a guard in FA. They have Chambers and Bell to be O-line depth.

They can then draft a DE, DT and TE. The good thing about TE is that it is a deep class and there will be good one's available in the 3rd round.

[Goobylal]

The Bills have interviewed Simmons, and apparently have also talked to LeCharles Bentley. As has been said, Mike Goff is an option. And the Bills have inquired about Brian Waters. So while a couple Bills fans might not be talking about LG, the Bills are trying to fill it.

As for Dockery, he was a chump last year and was in serious danger of being benched at mid-season. And the same way people like to point out how many sacks Jason Peters gave up last year, Dockery gave up 8.25. But he couldn't blame holding out until right before the season and/or his contract. Both he and Fowler/Preston will be addition by subtraction.

[bigbub2352]

I just want to see legs to the rumors that Waters is still available or if he is ever was truly available, cause i havent seen anything on it in a week or so
Plus is he that much of an upgrade over Simmons and Goff at this point in his career?
or would u be getting the same level of play from Goff and Simmons without giving up a pick in the process?

[theanswer74]

You know what is funny, the Bills arent even bringing in OG's. They brought in Simmons who isnt even healthy. They have 1 OG on the roster.

Its obvious that they are either looking at a trade or looking towards the draft.

I have no problems with that. The only people desperate to fill the LG spot right now are fans. Lets draft a real OG, or trade for one.

[psubills62]

I just want to see legs to the rumors that Waters is still available or if he is ever was truly available, cause i havent seen anything on it in a week or so
Plus is he that much of an upgrade over Simmons and Goff at this point in his career?
or would u be getting the same level of play from Goff and Simmons without giving up a pick in the process?

I don't know much about Goff, but Simmons had the injury, so no one really knows how he'll play. He's a beast when healthy, but is he truly 100% healthy? No one knows...I'd like to sign him, but as OG depth. Waters would definitely be an upgrade, over anyone we've mentioned as far as I know.

[soapman]

If we don't sign one by the beginning of the preseason, the computer will sign one automatically for us. We may not like him but we can build his abilities weekly by "training an active player."

[bigbub2352]

I don't know much about Goff, but Simmons had the injury, so no one really knows how he'll play. He's a beast when healthy, but is he truly 100% healthy? No one knows...I'd like to sign him, but as OG depth. Waters would definitely be an upgrade, over anyone we've mentioned as far as I know.

Goff is a bad ass road grader type who blocked for LT his whole career so i like him alot too and he is same age as Waters, i think Goff is ex probowl as well
Simmons if healthy is also a beast and a bit younger either way i think a hurt Simmons is an upgrade of ****bag Dockery

[psubills62]

Goff is a bad ass road grader type who blocked for LT his whole career so i like him alot too and he is same age as Waters, i think Goff is ex probowl as well
Simmons if healthy is also a beast and a bit younger either way i think a hurt Simmons is an upgrade of ****bag Dockery

Haha I think almost anyone is an upgrade over Dockery. Honestly, I'm somewhat concerned because we don't have a starter, but why do people think that a rookie would be worse than Dockery? Do people not remember how terrible he was?

[bigbub2352]

Haha I think almost anyone is an upgrade over Dockery. Honestly, I'm somewhat concerned because we don't have a starter, but why do people think that a rookie would be worse than Dockery? Do people not remember how terrible he was?
Forget no, but i am sure we all want an upgrade not a stop gap or experiment
go get a Vet OBD, u can draft and groom replacements, we need a starter now otherwise why sign TO

[DrGraves]

If we don't sign one by the beginning of the preseason, the computer will sign one automatically for us. We may not like him but we can build his abilities weekly by "training an active player."

Someone's been hanging out with Mitchell59 a little too much... haha

[Mad Bomber]

No, alot of people aren't saying it.

Instead people are running around here posting about how great our offense looks and how NE is all worried.



I guess you haven't been reading many posts on this board lately. The lack of LG is CONSTANTLY being brought up in threads.

[Saratoga Slim]

Just because people are excited that one hole is filled doesn't mean they aren't concerned about the other holes.

And what's wrong with filling our starting LG position with a rookie? It's a deep OG draft. Look at how the rookie OL-men did last year - all but a few did great.

I agree. LG is not quarterback. I think it's pretty reasonable to think we could find a good talent on Day 1 if we wanted to, and start 'em with some degree of hope. Lots of OL rookies started last year. Having Hangartner gives us some flexibility of taking the best OG/C available in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, as Hangartner can play either.

Plus, it was reported that the reason Dockery was cut was that at the end of year positional review, the coaching staff gave him a "failing" grade. That's not saying he wasn't living up to his contract, it's saying that he was flat out not playing well. I think that we might be able to replace him a lot easier than people are thinking.

[psubills62]

I agree. LG is not quarterback. I think it's pretty reasonable to think we could find a good talent on Day 1 if we wanted to, and start 'em with some degree of hope. Lots of OL rookies started last year. Having Hangartner gives us some flexibility of taking the best OG/C available in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, as Hangartner can play either.

Plus, it was reported that the reason Dockery was cut was that at the end of year positional review, the coaching staff gave him a "failing" grade. That's not saying he wasn't living up to his contract, it's saying that he was flat out not playing well. I think that we might be able to replace him a lot easier than people are thinking.

Completely agree. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bills draft at least two OC/OG's at some point. Heck, the Colts drafted three of them last year. Their starting center for some games was drafted in the 7th round.

Now while the Colts also didn't have a great run game, and wasn't very good in pass protection early, to my knowledge they were starting all 3 rookies on their O-line. We'd only be starting one, maybe two at most (if Hangartner gets injured or something).

[tampabay25690]

Findinga nd signing a Terell owens is once in a lifetime with the BILLS organization......How many FA are u seeing signed anyway. There are a ton of free agents still out there and the $$ is getting lower where the BILLS want it.....They will pick up a OLB and a Guard soon.....Mark my words

[im8th2buffalo]

I just wish that there were more people talking about Buffalo needing a LG. NObody seems to realize that we have no starter. Big deal if we have TO and have improved the WR talent on the team. Who is going to block for Edwards? He won't be able to complete any passes if he has no protection.
Oh, did someone already bring that up? Sorry.
There is still time in Free Agency. The draft is still coming. If there is nobody in that roster spot after the draft, then I will worry.
For now, celebrate when the front office does something to improve the team.
Hopefully more FAs are on the way.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Well, who are we looking at for LG in FA?? Anyone?


I just wish that there were more people talking about Buffalo needing a LG. NObody seems to realize that we have no starter. Big deal if we have TO and have improved the WR talent on the team. Who is going to block for Edwards? He won't be able to complete any passes if he has no protection.
Oh, did someone already bring that up? Sorry.
There is still time in Free Agency. The draft is still coming. If there is nobody in that roster spot after the draft, then I will worry.
For now, celebrate when the front office does something to improve the team.
Hopefully more FAs are on the way.

Geez, I know that my posts are long, but I really wish that you would take the time to read them--you might learn something or get answers to some of your questions--instead of posting the same questions and criticisms that others have also posted repeatedly. It seems like all I have been doing the last couple of days is answering questions about what the Bills are going to do about LG and why they haven't done anything since signing TO.

FYI: Russ Brandon said in a radio interview and in the interview posted on BB.com that the team is still talking to FAs that they have had in for visits already and are not done in free agency yet. T.Thomas and C.Brown have also said that as well. So THE BILLS ARE NOT DONE YET IN FREE AGENCY!!! (Do I need to yell that again, louder?)

FYI: The Bills have had Simmons and, I believe C.Brown reported, Bentley in for visits. In addition to those two and, possibly Waters (who may or may not be available), Goff and Kendall are still available. And, today, the Bears released Metcalf for salary cap reasons. There are veteran FAs still out there and they have not been getting much interest. In fact, I think that the Bills are one of the only teams to have any of these FA OGs in for a visit.

FYI: The Bills also still have options at OLB if they choose, since June and Keiaho have not been reported to have had any visits since coming to Buffalo.

So, please, read the other threads that have been posted that relate to the questions/concerns that you have before saying that no one is concerned about the issues that you are concerned about. And, just maybe you will find that someone has taken the time to answer some of your questions.

[im8th2buffalo]

I just wish that there were more people talking about Buffalo needing a LG. NObody seems to realize that we have no starter. Big deal if we have TO and have improved the WR talent on the team. Who is going to block for Edwards? He won't be able to complete any passes if he has no protection.
Oh, did someone already bring that up? Sorry.
There is still time in Free Agency. The draft is still coming. If there is nobody in that roster spot after the draft, then I will worry.
For now, celebrate when the front office does something to improve the team.
Hopefully more FAs are on the way.
Sorry Lifetime Bills fan, I was being sarcastic in the beginning. I thought that was understood. Just kidding about the LG comment. I know the Bills will get someone. I just now that I have seen a lot of people posting about the need for the LG and thought most people had been talking about it already.

[Philagape]

The Bills need a LG????????

[Oaf]

If we draft someone in the 4th to start at LG by week 8 taking over for Chambers, I WILL be pissed too HH.

[Oaf]

Geez, I know that my posts are long, but I really wish that you would take the time to read them--you might learn something or get answers to some of your questions--instead of posting the same questions and criticisms that others have also posted repeatedly.

Post in all bold and use all CAPS.

See? :D


So THE BILLS ARE NOT DONE YET IN FREE AGENCY!!! (Do I need to yell that again, louder?)

Up the font to seven.

Can't wait to see a 7-font LBF post lol. :eek:

[Romes]

Got to hand it to HH he knows how to start a 4-page thread. Just call out everyone on the board for something no one has done. :up:

[psubills62]

Got to hand it to HH he knows how to start a 4-page thread. Just call out everyone on the board for something no one has done. :up:

Dang right...I should take lessons, I need the ZB's!

Speaking of which, if DB wants to get on those combine contest results... ;-) Haha just messing. With my luck, I probably didn't win anything.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Can't wait to see a 7-font LBF post lol. :eek:


DON'T TEMPT ME!!! :roflmao:

That would take up so much bandwidth, I don't think the mods would allow it...either that or it would crash the site! Might be fun though!!! :lol:

[HHURRICANE]

Read Carefully:

1) Bigbub hit it on the head. We need a vet while any rookie develops behind them. You can't go into any season relying on a rookie. Did anyone not learn that from James Hardy????

2) LTBF I think you are a great poster and contributor on this site but believing anything this organization says is dangerous. You don't think Russ Brandon would have any issue defending not signing anyone else even after he said they were still working on it?

3) To everyone, I posted this thread because the euuphoria over Ownes is overshadowing the fact that the team still has big holes. I know that there are some posting concerns about LG but look at how many posts about a rookie doing better than Dockery. If you think a rookie LG is not a risky proposition than you really aren't thinking this through.

4) If I wasn't on this board it would be alot less entertaining around here. I may be polarizing around here but my threads get hits and thought provoking posts.

I enjoy the board and all of you!!

[bigbub2352]

Read Carefully:

1) Bigbub hit it on the head. We need a vet while any rookie develops behind them. You can't go into any season relying on a rookie. Did anyone not learn that from James Hardy????

2) LTBF I think you are a great poster and contributor on this site but believing anything this organization says is dangerous. You don't think Russ Brandon would have any issue defending not signing anyone else even after he said they were still working on it?

3) To everyone, I posted this thread because the euuphoria over Ownes is overshadowing the fact that the team still has big holes. I know that there are some posting concerns about LG but look at how many posts about a rookie doing better than Dockery. If you think a rookie LG is not a risky proposition than you really aren't thinking this through.

4) If I wasn't on this board it would be alot less entertaining around here. I may be polarizing around here but my threads get hits and thought provoking posts.

I enjoy the board and all of you!!

And we enjoy u HH!!!

[psubills62]

Read Carefully:

1) Bigbub hit it on the head. We need a vet while any rookie develops behind them. You can't go into any season relying on a rookie. Did anyone not learn that from James Hardy????

2) LTBF I think you are a great poster and contributor on this site but believing anything this organization says is dangerous. You don't think Russ Brandon would have any issue defending not signing anyone else even after he said they were still working on it?

3) To everyone, I posted this thread because the euuphoria over Ownes is overshadowing the fact that the team still has big holes. I know that there are some posting concerns about LG but look at how many posts about a rookie doing better than Dockery. If you think a rookie LG is not a risky proposition than you really aren't thinking this through.

4) If I wasn't on this board it would be alot less entertaining around here. I may be polarizing around here but my threads get hits and thought provoking posts.

I enjoy the board and all of you!!

1) Using a rookie at a skill position is much different than using a rookie on one of the lines. Did you not learn anything from the multiple rookies who did really well on the OL last year? Besides, you can't just name one rookie who didn't play well and say "see, rookies can't start!" What about Eddie Royal, Desean Jackson, Donnie Avery, etc.? That's just one position - don't get me started on the lines.

3) Gee, I guess you can't let anyone be happy for too long, hm? So why exactly do you need to bring us down to earth? Because we're obviously the ones signing free agents to fill holes, and if the posters on this MB don't realize that we still need a LG, then we're screwed!

[THATHURMANATOR]

1) Using a rookie at a skill position is much different than using a rookie on one of the lines. Did you not learn anything from the multiple rookies who did really well on the OL last year? Besides, you can't just name one rookie who didn't play well and say "see, rookies can't start!" What about Eddie Royal, Desean Jackson, Donnie Avery, etc.? That's just one position - don't get me started on the lines.

3) Gee, I guess you can't let anyone be happy for too long, hm? So why exactly do you need to bring us down to earth? Because we're obviously the ones signing free agents to fill holes, and if the posters on this MB don't realize that we still need a LG, then we're screwed!
HH just got SERVED.

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[BuffaloRanger]

The Oline and it's complete lack of depth seems to worry Bills fans that can't do anything about it more then the FO that can.

But relax. If there is one thing the Bills FO has shown time and again it's that they know how to build a winner.