Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans

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  • MidnightVoice
    Retired (mostly)
    • Mar 2003
    • 10784

    Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans



    As compelling as the off-field portion of that story is, my primary interest in any player revolves around their on-field performance. To me, the key here isn’t whether Owens will get along with Trent Edwards or turn the locker room into a circus but rather whether the Bill’s passing offense will be able to effectively integrate Owens and Lee Evans’s skill sets.

    Like any self-respecting wideouts, Owens and Evans both like to be thrown vertical passes (which are balls thrown 11 or more yards downfield). Owens saw 65 of those throws in 2008, a total that tied him for 13th highest among wide receivers, while Evans saw 48. Evans did much better on his passes, however, gaining 691 yards versus Owens’s 708 (or to put it another way, 14.4 vertical YPA for Evans versus 10.9 YPA for Owens). That isn’t an anomaly for Evans; he has been one of the best long ball pass catchers in the N.F.L. for a few years now, but it does lead to Buffalo’s quandary, which is that there are only so many vertical throws to go around.

    Let me crunch some numbers to illustrate how this could become a problem. Buffalo QBs threw 118 vertical passes in 2008, which was the second-lowest total in the league. That number will increase in 2009, but Dick Jauron does not strike me as the sort of coach to chuck it deep more often than he needs to, so for the sake of this argument, let’s say the Bills will hit the median league mark of 150 vertical passes. If 20% of these end up going to players other than Evans or Owens, that leaves 120 vertical passes going their way.

    Since Evans was so much better than Owens last year, one would think a good split of these throws might be 70/50 or 80/40 in Evans’s favor, but I’m betting Owens isn’t thinking that way. He will probably want the ratio to be more like 70/50 or 80/40 in his favor. His YPA has been dropping for a few years now, and that indicates his best role would be as the short and medium pass catcher whose production at those levels helps keep the defense honest and opens up the long ball for Evans. Owens probably won’t be of that mind-set and that’s where the trouble might kick in. How Jauron, Edwards, Evans and Owens handle this will be much more the key to their ultimate success or failure than will whether or not they all play Madden 2010 together.

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  • Pinkerton Security
    Pinkerton's son
    • Feb 2006
    • 6003

    #2
    Re: Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans

    very interesting. I think Lee would be fine with a 65-55 ratio of deep passes, TO-Lee.

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    • ddaryl
      Everything I post is sexual inuendo
      • Jan 2005
      • 10714

      #3
      Re: Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans

      as long as we're winning... that is all that matters to me

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      • Big Bad Boone
        Registered User
        • Mar 2009
        • 11

        #4
        Re: Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans

        The problem with their logic is that all 10+ yard passes are treated equally. My take on this is that Reed will excel inside 10 yards, Owens will excel in the intermediate 10-20 yard range, and Evans will excel past that. The article doesn't differentiate between dig routes and fly routes, the intermediate range and bombs, but instead just lumps them together, which is why they aren't really capturing the difference between Evans and T.O. That difference is the reason why I think they'll compliment each other nicely.

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        • DMBcrew36
          Registered User
          • Feb 2005
          • 5096

          #5
          Re: Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans

          I think you go to preseason and what not and try getting the ball to both TO and Lee. Same with during the season. You throw to who is hot - who is catching and who is making plays.

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          • Lexwhat
            Registered User
            • Feb 2005
            • 2926

            #6
            Re: Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans

            Originally posted by pinkdogg32
            65-55 ratio of deep passes, TO-Lee.
            ???

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            • BillsOwnAll
              My IQ Test results came back negative
              • Oct 2002
              • 5502

              #7
              Re: Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans

              Who counts how many passes go farther then 11 yards. Seriously.

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              • Mercy
                Registered User
                • Jul 2005
                • 35324

                #8
                Re: Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans

                Originally posted by BillsOwnAll
                Who counts how many passes go farther then 11 yards. Seriously.
                That just means more than 10, BillsOwnAll
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                • Mercy
                  Registered User
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 35324

                  #9
                  Re: Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans

                  Originally posted by MidnightVoice
                  As compelling as the off-field portion of that story is, my primary interest in any player revolves around their on-field performance. To me, the key here isn’t whether Owens will get along with Trent Edwards or turn the locker room into a circus but rather whether the Bill’s passing offense will be able to effectively integrate Owens and Lee Evans’s skill sets.
                  I honestly don't get the "cancer" crap. You're all a bunch of women.
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                  • Ickybaluky
                    Registered User
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 8884

                    #10
                    Re: Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans

                    Originally posted by mercyrule
                    That just means more than 10, BillsOwnAll
                    I just had a flashback to watching Spinal Tap.

                    "Yeah, but this one goes to 11. It's one more."

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                    • MPN
                      Registered User
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 22

                      #11
                      Re: Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans

                      I more concerned with whether the Bills offense will know how to use the fact that they have a legit 2nd reciever and a non-doubled Evans more often. Owens will get his balls here because other teams are still going to mark Evans more. At this point, if they can just get the ball downfield period, both Evand and TO should get theirs.

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                      • justasportsfan
                        Registered User
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 71579

                        #12
                        Re: Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans

                        If teams decide to double TO Trent better not be gun shy going to Evans deep.
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                        • venis2k1
                          Youboty can hope
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 4621

                          #13
                          Re: Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans

                          Check down to freddy.

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                          • ParanoidAndroid
                            My battery is low and it's getting dark.
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 16840

                            #14
                            Re: Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans

                            If this is scientific, then the TD variable must be held constant.

                            A seperate study might lead one to find that TO will get targeted more in the red zone than Evans will, which will result in more TD's for TO. I think that would go a long way towards keeping him happy. That's my hypothesis.

                            Keep in mind that none of this is testable until the games are actually played. So as far as his article being scientific.....it's just a word. It means nothing. It's not even close to science.
                            Last edited by ParanoidAndroid; 03-19-2009, 01:26 PM.

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                            • BillsOwnAll
                              My IQ Test results came back negative
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 5502

                              #15
                              Re: Scientific Football: T.O. vs. Lee Evans

                              Heres a Scientific fact. T.O. Helped bring every team he played on to the playoffs.

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