Playoff wannabes are On the Clock [Archive] - BillsZone.com

ddaryl

03-20-2009, 03:53 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9354002/Playoff-wannabes-are-On-the-Clock?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=23

Well we are lumped in with other Wannabe's.

Lions Browns and Bills Oh MY !

Buffalo Bills

Last Playoff Berth: 1999
2009 First Round Pick: No. 11

How Many Drafts Are They Away From the Playoffs? Of these three teams, Buffalo's in the best shape. If Terrell Owens behaves and performs, and the rest of the promising young pieces in Buffalo continue to develop, they could be a favorite for one of the two AFC wild-card spots next postseason. Even without a legitimate pass-rushing threat, the defense matured as the year went on. As a whole, this team's on the cusp. They're right there. But that's a broken record in Buffalo. They haven't seen the Bills play in a postseason game since the Music City Miracle.
Well, What Do They Need? The Bills either need a young offensive tackle to bookend that offensive line with Jason Peters or a pass-rushing defensive end. They were in the bottom fourth in the league in sacks last year and got little to no production from the edge. So, Who Should They Take? If Andre Smith or Michael Oher are staring at them at No. 11, they both could go there. But, if either Aaron Maybin or FSU's Everette Brown are also still on the board — there could be decisions to be made. One of those four make the most sense in Buffalo.

I like the analysis, of sticking with the Trenches, even though LB is also an option

The Spaz

03-20-2009, 03:59 PM

Mitchell55

03-20-2009, 05:01 PM

Why does every year they act like Walker who was arguably our best OL last year, doesnt exist.

DynaPaul

03-20-2009, 05:03 PM

This years draft should be all about the trenches... and one TE.

Mitchell55

03-20-2009, 05:08 PM

^ LOL, I love your sig.

Lexwhat

03-20-2009, 05:33 PM

BillsOwnAll

03-20-2009, 05:34 PM

So were a contender?!?! Wouldnt beilvie it readin these boards.

The Spaz

03-20-2009, 05:43 PM

:shakeno:

So it's fine to draft a Safety or LB with a Top-15 pick, but not a RT??

When we have a RT yes.

Pinkerton Security

03-20-2009, 08:46 PM

Why does every year they act like Walker who was arguably our best OL last year, doesnt exist.

well put brother. my thoughts exactly.

Nighthawk

03-20-2009, 09:21 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9354002/Playoff-wannabes-are-On-the-Clock?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=23

Well we are lumped in with other Wannabe's.

Lions Browns and Bills Oh MY !

I like the analysis, of sticking with the Trenches, even though LB is also an option

Maybin or Brown would not be a LB in Buffalo...they'd play DE!

Lexwhat

03-21-2009, 01:43 AM

When we have a RT yes.

Langston Walker can also play Guard you know. A Tackle may also be able to start at Guard in his early years.

Things are not that rigid. Some O-Linemen are versatile. You can't tell me that the only option we can explore is simply drafting/signing a pure Guard.

If a good OT falls to us with the 11th pick and is the BPA, I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to significantly upgrade our O-Line.

Scenario 1: Walker-Butler-Hangartner-ROOKIE-Peters

Scenario 2: ROOKIE-Butler-Hangartner-Walker-Peters

...Sorry but there's nothing wrong with the above 2 scenarios.

Lexwhat

03-21-2009, 01:44 AM

well put brother. my thoughts exactly.

Read my post above.

I never said anything bad about Walker.

Mike13

03-21-2009, 08:50 AM

Of these three teams, Buffalo's in the best shape.

Isnt that like saying they're the smartest guy with Downs?

ddaryl

03-21-2009, 09:02 AM

Doesn't make sense to take a tackle if Jason Peters does stay. You don't take a tackle there because that would mean putting him at RT and no way should he get paid the amount of money he will ask at #11.

It makes a complete sense...

It is rediculous to think we shouldn't draft an OL if we are forced to stay at #11 and all OT is our best value at #11.

You can never have enough quality OL and DL.

Walker can be moved, Chambers can be moved, Butler can be moved... But ANY CHANCE YU HAVE TO IMPROVE THE TRENCHES AND THE DEPTH THERE IS NEVER A BAD MOVE.

Walker and Chambers are not spring chickens either. Outside of Butler and Peters we have question marks for the rest of our OL

and what happens if Peters screws us again ? What happens if we sign peters but he plays like he did in 2008. Sure would be nice to know we have a few capable replacements ready to go.

I would rather the Bills take the BPA then reach for a position of need. AND I would rather see the Bills commit to the trenches year after year as a priority because that is where the game is won or lost

ddaryl

03-21-2009, 09:02 AM

Why does every year they act like Walker who was arguably our best OL last year, doesnt exist.

Who the hell is ignoring Walker. You can never have enough quality OL... and the Bills do not have enough quality OL

ddaryl

03-21-2009, 09:05 AM

Maybin or Brown would not be a LB in Buffalo...they'd play DE!

not sure why your quoting me and telling me this. I didn't mention Maybin or Brown at all.

The Spaz

03-21-2009, 09:17 AM

It makes a complete sense...

It is rediculous to think we shouldn't draft an OL if we are forced to stay at #11 and all OT is our best value at #11.

You can never have enough quality OL and DL.

Walker can be moved, Chambers can be moved, Butler can be moved... But ANY CHANCE YU HAVE TO IMPROVE THE TRENCHES AND THE DEPTH THERE IS NEVER A BAD MOVE.

Walker and Chambers are not spring chickens either. Outside of Butler and Peters we have question marks for the rest of our OL

and what happens if Peters screws us again ? What happens if we sign peters but he plays like he did in 2008. Sure would be nice to know we have a few capable replacements ready to go.

I would rather the Bills take the BPA then reach for a position of need. AND I would rather see the Bills commit to the trenches year after year as a priority because that is where the game is won or lost

Bottom line is you don't draft a RT at 11. Yeah you can move down but you do not do not pick a RT at 11 end of story. Think what you want, but when was the last time a team picked a RT that early in the draft?

The Spaz

03-21-2009, 09:23 AM

and what happens if Peters screws us again ? What happens if we sign peters but he plays like he did in 2008. Sure would be nice to know we have a few capable replacements ready to go.

I said if Peters stays.

ddaryl

03-21-2009, 10:06 AM

Bottom line is you don't draft a RT at 11. Yeah you can move down but you do not do not pick a RT at 11 end of story. Think what you want, but when was the last time a team picked a RT that early in the draft?

I said if Peters stays.

and if Peters stays we still would be greatly benefitted by having another high quality OT on the roster.. and yes you can easily draft a RT @ #11 because if Peters goes down with a major injury you have another high quality capable LT ready to go.

This option would allow us to move a few guys around and basically put the 5 best OL on the field as starters....

I think it is a complete losing mentality that avoids drafting a quality OT and reaches for a postion of need instead.

Our OL needs help and we should be drafting a OL and/or DL on the 1st day of the draft every single year.

Nighthawk

03-21-2009, 10:23 AM

not sure why your quoting me and telling me this. I didn't mention Maybin or Brown at all.

I must have read it the wrong way...I thought your mentioning of LB as an option was directed at Brown and Maybin.

My bad...

ddaryl

03-21-2009, 10:26 AM

I must have read it the wrong way...I thought your mentioning of LB as an option was directed at Brown and Maybin.

My bad...

now that you brought it up though... I wouldn't be against seeing what a guy like Maybin could do as an OLB, but that would be a project . he would be a pass rushing specialist at DE for us in the beginning

Pinkerton Security

03-21-2009, 11:06 AM

Who the hell is ignoring Walker. You can never have enough quality OL... and the Bills do not have enough quality OL

the article is ignoring him. Walker is 29. if we have peters going into the draft and get a tackle with #11, then we are ignoring the major holes.

The Spaz

03-21-2009, 11:11 AM

With all the holes on this team you need a player that's going to make an immediate impact on the team. A Tackle that may or may not see the field is not going to do that. The only thing selecting a tackle does is ignore more needs and waste cap space.

ddaryl

03-21-2009, 12:12 PM

the article is ignoring him. Walker is 29. if we have peters going into the draft and get a tackle with #11, then we are ignoring the major holes.

Yes but the game is won and lost in the trenches, and there is a damn good chance that Oher at #11 is the best player available. Oher can play G IMO and would be a better option then most G's in the draft. Improving our OL would do a heluva alot for our anemic running game last year, even though it got better, it was far from great. It would also go a long way towards letting Evans and T.O. go long.

I just have no problem with getting another T, and I honestly don't think Peters will be a Bill much longer... We may force him to play this season and look to offload him next year so having Oher on board might be the wisest of moves. And if we do keep Peters what's to say the money doens't go to his head and he starts giving up sacks again...

If the top DE's that fit our system are gone by #11, the only other postion we look at is LB. LB is a good pickup, and a need. There are no interior OL or TE's worth #11. So our choices are simply DE (or Raji) LB and OT at #11 IMHO...

having some weaknesses at other postions would be bad, but having an OL that can dominate the line of scrimmage could go a long way towards covering any flaws this team has espcially since we have 2 really good RB's and 2 really good WR's with a few more possibly coming up the ranks.

Lexwhat

03-21-2009, 01:41 PM

Bottom line is you don't draft a RT at 11. Yeah you can move down but you do not do not pick a RT at 11 end of story. Think what you want, but when was the last time a team picked a RT that early in the draft?

This is rediculous. Why is it okay to pick a SAFETY with a top 15 pick and not a RT?? You talk as if RT isn't an important position!

Anyways, to answer YOUR question:

-- Branden Albert was taken 15th last year, and he was a Guard / Tackle hybrid.

-- Levi Brown (Cardinals) was taken 5th overall in the 2007 draft by the Cardinals. He currently starts at RT for them.

Anything else?

The Spaz

03-21-2009, 01:47 PM

This is rediculous. Why is it okay to pick a SAFETY with a top 15 pick and not a RT?? You talk as if RT isn't an important position!

Anyways, to answer YOUR question:

-- Branden Albert was taken 15th last year, and he was a Guard / Tackle hybrid.

-- Levi Brown (Cardinals) was taken 5th overall in the 2007 draft by the Cardinals. He currently starts at RT for them.

Anything else?

You obviously don't get it. Is RT an immediate need and will help our team this year?IS RT a huge hole right now like our LG, OLB, DE, TE. We have way more important holes to fill than at RT. Make a poll and see how many people feel that taking a RT that may be a backup this year will make them happy.

ddaryl

03-21-2009, 01:49 PM

Spaz .. Oher can easily play LG for the Bills, and last itme I check that is a hole. in fact many think he would be better suited for G at the NFL level. His only real knock is that he is so athletic he tries to get by on his ability alone.

and you do not reach to fill holes IMO. at #11 BPA is the name of the game

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d808c2409&template=with-video&confirm=true

last years #11 pick received a 5 year deal worth 19.4 million, 12.6 guarenteed (Leodis Mckelvin)

You wouldn't pay that to an interior linemen who would more then likely be the best G we have on the roster. how much were we paying Dockery ???? a 5 year 20 mil deal represents a 60% savings

The Spaz

03-21-2009, 01:54 PM

Make a bet that if Peters comes back the Bills will draft a tackle. I will take all your ZB's please.

The Spaz

03-21-2009, 01:58 PM

Really the point is the value of pick #11 should be used at least on a starter not a possible backup linemen. I agree players can switch positions but if you plan on taking a guard wether or not it's a top rated tackle his value goes down by making him a G and you would be better served taking a true G later in the draft.

ddaryl

03-21-2009, 02:09 PM

well we have very different opinions. Taking a player who can start for us at LG and be capable of moving to T and starting there seems like a rock solid move IMO.

I place a very high value on the OL. Wether the Bills go that route I don't know, but I sure would not be upset if they did...

We can still get a quality DE or OLB in rd #2 just the same. I personally get tired of our average at best OL's, and how do the top ranked G's in the draft compare to Oher. I honestly do not know...

The Spaz

03-21-2009, 02:12 PM

IF Oher grades out just as well at G as he does at OT then I woudn't mind moving down to get him.

Lexwhat

03-21-2009, 08:32 PM

You obviously don't get it. Is RT an immediate need and will help our team this year?IS RT a huge hole right now like our LG, OLB, DE, TE. We have way more important holes to fill than at RT. Make a poll and see how many people feel that taking a RT that may be a backup this year will make them happy.

1. You specifically asked for a RT drafted no later than the 11th pick, and I gave you the Cardinals player drafted in 2007. What's your problem now?

2. I don't have to take a poll. Why do I care if it will make people on here happy or not? I am only thinking about what will make our team significantly better.

3. I already gave you the scenario. Walker has the flexibility to move to Guard, and a rookie tackle may also be able to play Guard early in his career. I NEVER said that we should just draft an OT and make him a back-up. I simply said that we don't have to fill the LG position with a pure Guard. Ever heard of versatility?

4. For your information, the player I want most at 11 is Brian Orakpo. I think he will be the best addition to our football team and won't be a reach with the 11th pick.

5. I never said that we MUST take a Tackle. I clearly said that it depends on who is available when we pick. If some of the top pass rushers are gone, and a good OT falls to us, then our pick comes down to "Best Player Available." Reaching for a player is plain stupid, and has really hurt this team the past few years.