Peters and Bills still far apart

[FlyingDutchman]

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/624261.html

[cocamide]

Let him play out his contract and tell his fat, illiterate ass to take a hike.

[Mahdi]

Let him play out his contract and tell his fat, illiterate ass to take a hike.
If it comes to it let him play the next 2 years at his current contract then franchise him.

[yordad]

If it comes to it let him play the next 2 years at his current contract then franchise him.TWICE

[Yasgur's Farm]

At this point, I don't wanna see Peters in a Bills uniform... I'm tired of his crap.

[FlyingDutchman]

yeah i used to have a man crush on Peters, now Im completely open to trading him before the draft. If he really loved Buffalo and wanted to play here like he says, he wouldnt do this crap.

[Mahdi]

At this point, I don't wanna see Peters in a Bills uniform... I'm tired of his crap.
Im not that far gone on him yet, I do believe he should be the highest paid OT in the league or at least equal with Gross. The Bills cant go cheap street on everything. LT is a position everyone pays a premium price for, and I believe they will meet between 8.5 and 11.5 mil. which would be 10 even. Each party sacrifices 1.5 mil, fair deal.

[Mahdi]

yeah i used to have a man crush on Peters, now Im completely open to trading him before the draft. If he really loved Buffalo and wanted to play here like he says, he wouldnt do this crap.
Yeah he would. And so would every other player in the league. And the next elite LT whose contract expires will do the same.

This is part of the NFL and we cant go blaming the players for getting their due.

[psubills62]

Yeah he would. And so would every other player in the league. And the next elite LT whose contract expires will do the same.

This is part of the NFL and we cant go blaming the players for getting their due.

Ever heard of Lee Evans? You know that guy who showed up to nearly every practice, didn't whine about a contract, etc. and still got paid? The same guy who kept saying he liked Buffalo and wanted to stay.

Yeah, funny how that works. It's not part of the NFL. Well, maybe it is for guys who can't appreciate the fact that a good attitude is still worth something, even if you're a millionaire.

[justasportsfan]

The Bills cant go cheap street on everything. .
If it's true that Chambers is the leading candidate to get the starting job at LG then the bills are trying to go cheap based on what he signed for.

[bigbub2352]

Peters at this point is turning the media against him as well, if he gets his huge contract form us and stinks it up like he did last season the media will kill him and the fans
If he signs the contract and is average the media will kill him and so will the fans
At this point only weeks from the Draft if you could pull off a trade with Philly or another suitor and get say a 1st and 3rd for him i say do it all day long and get a player in here who will play every down and not be worried about his contract every time he pancakes someone
We can rebuild thru the draft right away with those two picks, and if warranted move Walker over to LT for a season to develop the pick to play LT the following season

I say if we trade Peters and get a 1st and 3rd for him
we take best LT prospect available at 11
we use 2nd 1st round pick on Pettigrew
we use 2nd pick on OLB like Sintim who can also rush the passer
we use our 1st 3rd pick on best DE available and 2nd 3rd pick on best DT available
We use our 4th on best C/G available like Caldwell, or maybe Eric Wood
5th round i think u can go back to the offensice Line for another interior Lineman
6th round go SS
7th round Dline

[Mahdi]

Ever heard of Lee Evans? You know that guy who showed up to nearly every practice, didn't whine about a contract, etc. and still got paid? The same guy who kept saying he liked Buffalo and wanted to stay.

Yeah, funny how that works. It's not part of the NFL. Well, maybe it is for guys who can't appreciate the fact that a good attitude is still worth something, even if you're a millionaire.
Right. But Lee Evans was the best WR on our team. Not one of the top 3 WR in the league.

[Mahdi]

Ever heard of Lee Evans? You know that guy who showed up to nearly every practice, didn't whine about a contract, etc. and still got paid? The same guy who kept saying he liked Buffalo and wanted to stay.

Yeah, funny how that works. It's not part of the NFL. Well, maybe it is for guys who can't appreciate the fact that a good attitude is still worth something, even if you're a millionaire.
No one every complained about Walter Jones skipping TC every year. Or Strahan who skipped camp and lead them to a SB victory. For that matter didn't Bruce skip camp and offseason stuff all the time?

[FlyingDutchman]

Yeah he would. And so would every other player in the league. And the next elite LT whose contract expires will do the same.

This is part of the NFL and we cant go blaming the players for getting their due.

yeah but he starting holding out very early into a new multi year contract that he received. His play suffered tremendously bc of it, and he wants to be paid the highest out of any LT in the NFL now? As far as letting up sacks last year, he was nowhere near the top, and ill go as far to say that he cost us at crucial points of games last year. Hes the one who made this situation so sloppy. Had he just played ball and came in on time and was in shape and actually earned another pro bowl based on his actual play, the Bills wouldnt be so far apart. It pisses me off that we're supposed to reward his "me" attitude and decline in play with the highest pay at his position

[venis2k1]

And the next elite LT whose contract expires will do the same.

Thats just the point, his contract never expired. He started this crap 1 year after signing an extention. If he didnt like his contract, he shouldnt of signed it...now shut the **** up, collect your 6 million dollars and play football.

[yordad]

Yeah he would. And so would every other player in the league. And the next elite LT whose contract expires will do the same.

This is part of the NFL and we cant go blaming the players for getting their due.
If they give Peters exactly what he wanta, AGAIN, while he is under contract for 2 (4 effectively) more years, then they are stupid. Can you see the difference in leverage between Peters and Gross?

[Mahdi]

yeah but he starting holding out very early into a new multi year contract that he received. His play suffered tremendously bc of it, and he wants to be paid the highest out of any LT in the NFL now? As far as letting up sacks last year, he was nowhere near the top, and ill go as far to say that he cost us at crucial points of games last year. Hes the one who made this situation so sloppy. Had he just played ball and came in on time and was in shape and actually earned another pro bowl based on his actual play, the Bills wouldnt be so far apart. It pisses me off that we're supposed to reward his "me" attitude and decline in play with the highest pay at his position
Ok what if he came to camp and got injured? You think he would still get paid?

[Mahdi]

Thats just the point, his contract never expired. He started this crap 1 year after signing an extention. If he didnt like his contract, he shouldnt of signed it...now shut the **** up, collect your 6 million dollars and play football.
It is essentially expired though. He is playing for peanuts and he is one of the best. In NFL terms its expired.

[venis2k1]

No one every complained about Walter Jones skipping TC every year. Or Strahan who skipped camp and lead them to a SB victory. For that matter didn't Bruce skip camp and offseason stuff all the time?

True, but Walter Jones and Strahan came into the season and played well, the same cant be said about Jason Peters.

[justasportsfan]

Thats just the point, his contract never expired. He started this crap 1 year after signing an extention. If he didnt like his contract, he shouldnt of signed it....


he signed his contract as a RT. Maybe we should move an ST player playijng with ST salary to RG so we can save a few more millions that way and use the money saved towards paying Kelsay more money.

[FlyingDutchman]

Ok what if he came to camp and got injured? You think he would still get paid?

hes under contract, hed still get his money. He made 1 dang pro bowl at that point and just signed an extension.

[Mahdi]

True, but Walter Jones and Strahan came into the season and played well, the same cant be said about Jason Peters.
The same can be said about Peters though. The whole idea that Peters stank it up is way overblown. Peters allowed a few uncharacteristic sacks early on but after that he was playing solid as always.

Edwards and Losman were guilty of holding onto the ball a ton last year and at times it made Peters look bad.

[psubills62]

No one every complained about Walter Jones skipping TC every year. Or Strahan who skipped camp and lead them to a SB victory. For that matter didn't Bruce skip camp and offseason stuff all the time?

Peters is nowhere near Bruce. Bruce could stay at home until the first day of the season and still come in and dominate. But nowadays people like Peters get a million excuses: "he needs time to adjust," "he's not in game shape." Well, if he wanted his money, maybe he should have come into camp, just shut up and performed.

If he sits out and does as well as a blob of jelly at LT, then maybe he shouldn't sit out? Big difference between skipping, then sucking, and skipping, then dominating.

Peters is nowhere near as good at LT as Bruce was at DE. Not even close. If Peters can come in on the first day of the season and perform great, then that's fine. But when it's obvious he's hurting the team, then that's a problem, and everyone knows it.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

Thats just the point, his contract never expired. He started this crap 1 year after signing an extention. If he didnt like his contract, he shouldnt of signed it...now shut the **** up, collect your 6 million dollars and play football.

Exactly, its not like his contract expired. The dude has become unreasonable, I'd wish we sign him but I would much rather get rid of the headache.

[ddaryl]

It is essentially expired though. He is playing for peanuts and he is one of the best. In NFL terms its expired.

but there is a 8.5 - 9 million a year contract sitting right in front of him to be signed right now.

[yordad]

The same can be said about Peters though. The whole idea that Peters stank it up is way overblown. Peters allowed a few uncharacteristic sacks early on but after that he was playing solid as always.

Edwards and Losman were guilty of holding onto the ball a ton last year and at times it made Peters look bad.Was that before or after his phantom injury?

[Mahdi]

hes under contract, hed still get his money. He made 1 dang pro bowl at that point and just signed an extension.
Ok but that is a head in the sand view of the situation. Yes he signed an extension but he was a RT at the time. And after moving to LT he dominated in a big way. Every player in the NFL would do the same thing Peters is doing because once your true value is established in the NFL you have to get what your worth otherwise 1 play can bring your value to zero.

[yordad]

Ok but that is a head in the sand view of the situation. Yes he signed an extension but he was a RT at the time. And after moving to LT he dominated in a big way. Every player in the NFL would do the same thing Peters is doing because once your true value is established in the NFL you have to get what your worth otherwise 1 play can bring your value to zero.Some consistancy would be nice.

[psubills62]

The same can be said about Peters though. The whole idea that Peters stank it up is way overblown. Peters allowed a few uncharacteristic sacks early on but after that he was playing solid as always.

Edwards and Losman were guilty of holding onto the ball a ton last year and at times it made Peters look bad.

That's a bunch of bullcrap. So many excuses.

Didn't Peters become the "dominant LT" during the years that Losman was the starter? So Peters only allowed 4 sacks or so over 1.5 years with Losman, but when Peters gives up a ton of sacks in less than 16 games, it's suddenly the QB's fault? It's getting ridiculous.

The point of being a DOMINANT LT is that he is dominant on every play. It's not "oh, well he gave up a few sacks, but other than that he played great." If he allowed one sack a game, that would be terrible, whether he played great on the other 50+ plays or not. Michael Roos was beat about what...two times the entire season? Same thing for the rookie Clady.

Face it, Peters was not good last season. If he's going to get paid like a top LT, then he should be able to play like a top LT every game, every play.

[FlyingDutchman]

Ok but that is a head in the sand view of the situation. Yes he signed an extension but he was a RT at the time. And after moving to LT he dominated in a big way. Every player in the NFL would do the same thing Peters is doing because once your true value is established in the NFL you have to get what your worth otherwise 1 play can bring your value to zero.

but do you think that 1 good year warrants being paid the highest at that position?

[justasportsfan]

but do you think that 1 good year warrants being paid the highest at that position? Is Evans' nos over the years justify what he got paid? Shobel? Kelsay?


To teams like the Pats, Saints and every other team thats had an awsome O over the years , Peters isn't worth 9 million. To the bills however, he is worth more because we are desperate.

If the eagles trade for Peters and he gets what he's asking for from them , you will now know why they have been making playoffs over the years and we haven't.

[Michael82]

I'm sorry, but this is getting tiring. I'm sick of his act and sick of him. He's a selfish piece of **** and the Bills have proven time and time again that if you really want that big new contract, do your part and hold up your end of the bargain. Come to camp, work with the team, show them you are committed to the team. Get your fat ass in shape and then if you do all that, they will reward you. For all the people who say Ralph is cheap, look at these players for proof....

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13%" align=right>$ 250,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 9,770,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,454,250 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Grant, Charles (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=871) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Saints </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 750,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 8,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 600,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 9,350,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 4,183,333 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Williams, Corey (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3623) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Browns </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 605,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 6,500,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,595,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 8,700,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 3,283,333 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Suggs, Terrell (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3080) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Ravens </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 8,475,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 0 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 0 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 8,475,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 8,475,000 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Taylor, Jason (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=2252) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Redskins </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 7,500,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 0 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 805,760 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 8,305,760 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 7,500,000 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Long, Chris (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=4912) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Rams </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 295,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 0 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 7,840,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 8,135,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,900,000 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Gbaja-Biamila, Kabeer (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=805) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Packers </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 6,150,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 0 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,105,400 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 7,255,400 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 7,726,828 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Schobel, Aaron (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=2012) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Bills </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,500,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 0 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 5,656,889 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 7,156,889 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 8,723,555</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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(http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=141&order=SignBonus+desc) </TD><TD align=right>Other Bonus (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=141&order=OtherBonuses+desc) </TD><TD align=right>Total Salary (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=141&order=Salary) </TD><TD align=right>Cap Value (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=141&order=CapValue+desc) </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Brown, Josh (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=2771) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Rams </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 4,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,640 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 5,002,640 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,802,640 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Elam, Jason (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=649) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Falcons </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 830,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,500,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,200 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 3,331,200 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,456,200 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Colquitt, Dustin (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3704) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Chiefs </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 700,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,400,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 30,160 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 3,130,160 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,185,160 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Janikowski, Sebastian (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=1167) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Raiders </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,200,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 0 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,425,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,625,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 3,010,000 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Gould, Robbie (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3764) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Bears </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 520,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 0 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,100,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,620,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,620,000 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Larson, Kyle (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3424) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Bengals </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 900,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,400,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 150,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,450,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,230,000 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Kluwe, Chris (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3826) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Vikings </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 617,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,700,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,775,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,392,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,625,333 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Moorman, Brian (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=1641) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Bills </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 750,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 0 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,351,440 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,101,440 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,237,868 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Tynes, Lawrence (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3593) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Giants </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 625,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,250,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 170,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,045,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,045,000 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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The only key is that they want you to show you are a team player and will do your part too. If not, you can go to hell and get traded for a 1st round pick or more.

[Michael82]

but there is a 8.5 - 9 million a year contract sitting right in front of him to be signed right now.
And that's what bugs me the most. Stop being a POS, peters and compromise. Tell them you'll take $10.5 million. I bet you can get the Bills to up their offer to $9.5 or $10 million.

[FlyingDutchman]

i googled sacks given up by left tackles and found this

1. Ryan Clady, Denver, 0.5 sack
2. Michael Roos, Tennessee, 1 sack PRO BOWLER
3-T. Tony Ugoh, Indianapolis, 2 sacks* (Started 11)
3-T. Tra Thomas, Philadelphia, 2 sacks
3-T. Jared Gaither, Baltimore, 2 sacks* (He missed first quarter of Philadelphia game because of a shoulder injury)
7. Jake Long, Miami, 2.5 sacks
8-T. Marcus McNeill, San Diego, 3 sacks* (13 games)
8-T. Chris Samuels, Washington, 3 sacks* (Only appeared in 12 games)
8-T. Jordan Gross, Carolina, 3 sacks* (Missed 1 game) PRO BOWLER
8-T. Jammal Brown, New Orleans, 3 sacks* (Missed 1 game)
8-T. Todd Weiner, Atlanta, 3 sacks* (Started 10 games and appeared in 15)
13-T. Joe Thomas, Cleveland, 3.5 sacks PRO BOWLER
13-T. Walter Jones, Seattle, 3.5 sacks* (12 games) PRO BOWLER
15-T. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, NY Jets, 4 sacks
15-T. Bryant McKinnie, Minnesota, 4 sacks* (11 games)
15-T. Max Starks, Pittsburgh, 4 sacks* (10 starts)
18. Brandon Albert, Kansas City, 4.5 sacks* (Missed 1 game)
19. Levi Jones, Cincinnati, 5.5 sacks* (10 games)
20. Mike Gandy, Arizona, 6.25 sacks
21-T. Chad Clifton, Green Bay, 6.5 sacks* (missed 1 game)
21-T. David Diehl, NY Giants, 6.5 sacks
23. Flozell Adams, Dallas, 7.25 PRO BOWLER
24-T. Khalif Barnes, Jacksonville, 7.5 sacks
24-T. Matt Light, New England, 7.5 sacks
24-T. Kwame Harris, 7.5 sacks* (Started 11, appeared in 13)
27. Donald Penn, Tampa Bay, 8 sacks
28. Joe Staley, San Francisco, 8.5 sacks
29. Jeff Backus, Detroit, 9.25 sacks
30. John St. Clair, Chicago, 9.75 sacks
T-31. Duane Brown, Houston, 11.5 sacks
T-31. Jason Peters, Buffalo, 11.5 sacks* PRO BOWLER (13 games)

[slakjaw157]

Enough is enough! Trade him and get rid of the headache!

[Michael82]

i googled sacks given up by left tackles and found this

1. Ryan Clady, Denver, 0.5 sack
2. Michael Roos, Tennessee, 1 sack PRO BOWLER
3-T. Tony Ugoh, Indianapolis, 2 sacks* (Started 11)
3-T. Tra Thomas, Philadelphia, 2 sacks
3-T. Jared Gaither, Baltimore, 2 sacks* (He missed first quarter of Philadelphia game because of a shoulder injury)
7. Jake Long, Miami, 2.5 sacks
8-T. Marcus McNeill, San Diego, 3 sacks* (13 games)
8-T. Chris Samuels, Washington, 3 sacks* (Only appeared in 12 games)
8-T. Jordan Gross, Carolina, 3 sacks* (Missed 1 game) PRO BOWLER
8-T. Jammal Brown, New Orleans, 3 sacks* (Missed 1 game)
8-T. Todd Weiner, Atlanta, 3 sacks* (Started 10 games and appeared in 15)
13-T. Joe Thomas, Cleveland, 3.5 sacks PRO BOWLER
13-T. Walter Jones, Seattle, 3.5 sacks* (12 games) PRO BOWLER
15-T. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, NY Jets, 4 sacks
15-T. Bryant McKinnie, Minnesota, 4 sacks* (11 games)
15-T. Max Starks, Pittsburgh, 4 sacks* (10 starts)
18. Brandon Albert, Kansas City, 4.5 sacks* (Missed 1 game)
19. Levi Jones, Cincinnati, 5.5 sacks* (10 games)
20. Mike Gandy, Arizona, 6.25 sacks
21-T. Chad Clifton, Green Bay, 6.5 sacks* (missed 1 game)
21-T. David Diehl, NY Giants, 6.5 sacks
23. Flozell Adams, Dallas, 7.25 PRO BOWLER
24-T. Khalif Barnes, Jacksonville, 7.5 sacks
24-T. Matt Light, New England, 7.5 sacks
24-T. Kwame Harris, 7.5 sacks* (Started 11, appeared in 13)
27. Donald Penn, Tampa Bay, 8 sacks
28. Joe Staley, San Francisco, 8.5 sacks
29. Jeff Backus, Detroit, 9.25 sacks
30. John St. Clair, Chicago, 9.75 sacks
T-31. Duane Brown, Houston, 11.5 sacks
T-31. Jason Peters, Buffalo, 11.5 sacks* PRO BOWLER (13 games)
It's disgusting. The dumbass tied for league 31st place in sacks and he still thinks that he's worth more than anyone else on that list. :ill: :puke:

[Night Train]

Ever heard of Lee Evans? You know that guy who showed up to nearly every practice, didn't whine about a contract, etc. and still got paid? The same guy who kept saying he liked Buffalo and wanted to stay.

Yeah, funny how that works. It's not part of the NFL. Well, maybe it is for guys who can't appreciate the fact that a good attitude is still worth something, even if you're a millionaire.

:bf1:

[Tatonka]

if philly gives up both firsts for peters.. take it and run.

[Mahdi]

That's a bunch of bullcrap. So many excuses.

Didn't Peters become the "dominant LT" during the years that Losman was the starter? So Peters only allowed 4 sacks or so over 1.5 years with Losman, but when Peters gives up a ton of sacks in less than 16 games, it's suddenly the QB's fault? It's getting ridiculous.

The point of being a DOMINANT LT is that he is dominant on every play. It's not "oh, well he gave up a few sacks, but other than that he played great." If he allowed one sack a game, that would be terrible, whether he played great on the other 50+ plays or not. Michael Roos was beat about what...two times the entire season? Same thing for the rookie Clady.

Face it, Peters was not good last season. If he's going to get paid like a top LT, then he should be able to play like a top LT every game, every play.
Sorry but its no excuse. The tape doesn't lie. Edwards and Losman were sitting around in the pocket for 4-5 seconds without releasing the ball before getting sacked. That would show up on the stat sheet against Peters or whoever was blocking that player.

Bottom line is, we wouldnt be having this convo if Peters didnt allow 11.5 sacks, and since that number doesn't tell the real story then I dont go by it, because for the other 300 snaps or whatever the number is, he dominated.

[Michael82]

One interesting thing about that list is where the current top salaried OTs are.... They have done a lot better than the greedy bastard we have in Buffalo. Look at it....

7. Jake Long, Miami, 2.5 sacks
8-T. Jordan Gross, Carolina, 3 sacks* (Missed 1 game) PRO BOWLER
T-31. Jason Peters, Buffalo, 11.5 sacks* PRO BOWLER (13 games)<!-- / message -->

[Michael82]

Ever heard of Lee Evans? You know that guy who showed up to nearly every practice, didn't whine about a contract, etc. and still got paid? The same guy who kept saying he liked Buffalo and wanted to stay.

Yeah, funny how that works. It's not part of the NFL. Well, maybe it is for guys who can't appreciate the fact that a good attitude is still worth something, even if you're a millionaire.
Excellent post! :bf1:

[justasportsfan]

i googled sacks given up by left tackles and found this

1. Ryan Clady, Denver, 0.5 sack
2. Michael Roos, Tennessee, 1 sack PRO BOWLER
3-T. Tony Ugoh, Indianapolis, 2 sacks* (Started 11)
3-T. Tra Thomas, Philadelphia, 2 sacks
3-T. Jared Gaither, Baltimore, 2 sacks* (He missed first quarter of Philadelphia game because of a shoulder injury)
7. Jake Long, Miami, 2.5 sacks
8-T. Marcus McNeill, San Diego, 3 sacks* (13 games)
8-T. Chris Samuels, Washington, 3 sacks* (Only appeared in 12 games)
8-T. Jordan Gross, Carolina, 3 sacks* (Missed 1 game) PRO BOWLER
8-T. Jammal Brown, New Orleans, 3 sacks* (Missed 1 game)
8-T. Todd Weiner, Atlanta, 3 sacks* (Started 10 games and appeared in 15)
13-T. Joe Thomas, Cleveland, 3.5 sacks PRO BOWLER
13-T. Walter Jones, Seattle, 3.5 sacks* (12 games) PRO BOWLER
15-T. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, NY Jets, 4 sacks
15-T. Bryant McKinnie, Minnesota, 4 sacks* (11 games)
15-T. Max Starks, Pittsburgh, 4 sacks* (10 starts)
18. Brandon Albert, Kansas City, 4.5 sacks* (Missed 1 game)
19. Levi Jones, Cincinnati, 5.5 sacks* (10 games)
20. Mike Gandy, Arizona, 6.25 sacks
21-T. Chad Clifton, Green Bay, 6.5 sacks* (missed 1 game)
21-T. David Diehl, NY Giants, 6.5 sacks
23. Flozell Adams, Dallas, 7.25 PRO BOWLER
24-T. Khalif Barnes, Jacksonville, 7.5 sacks
24-T. Matt Light, New England, 7.5 sacks
24-T. Kwame Harris, 7.5 sacks* (Started 11, appeared in 13)
27. Donald Penn, Tampa Bay, 8 sacks
28. Joe Staley, San Francisco, 8.5 sacks
29. Jeff Backus, Detroit, 9.25 sacks
30. John St. Clair, Chicago, 9.75 sacks
T-31. Duane Brown, Houston, 11.5 sacks
T-31. Jason Peters, Buffalo, 11.5 sacks* PRO BOWLER (13 games)

I doubt he made it in by bills fans alone. Even if you add the neg nancies and homers our market isn't big enough to get him enough votes. So most likely the players and coaches voted him in knowing that he belongs to a team that blows and that not everythng was his fault.


Remember how Walker gave up so much sacks with the raiders and yet our coaches thought they weren't his fault and paid him?

[Michael82]

if philly gives up both firsts for peters.. take it and run.
If Philly offered us a 1st and 2nd, I'd run. If they offered both firsts, I would do the deal immediately. Shake hands, and then laugh hysterically and run back to Buffalo with the new draft picks as fast as I could.

[Mahdi]

If Philly offered us a 1st and 2nd, I'd run. If they offered both firsts, I would do the deal immediately. Shake hands, and then laugh hysterically and run back to Buffalo with the new draft picks as fast as I could.
3 first round picks is very expensive not to mention giving up a pro bowler for a ?.

[FlyingDutchman]

I doubt he made it in by bills fans alone. Even if you add the neg nancies and homers our market isn't big enough to get him enough votes. So most likely the players and coaches voted him in knowing that he belongs to a team that blows and that not everythng was his fault.


Remember how Walker gave up so much sacks with the raiders and yet our coaches thought they weren't his fault and paid him?

then those were the fans that werent watching him get blown by at least 1 time every week and voting him on purely bc of reputation

[justasportsfan]

Excellent post! :bf1:
lol. Lee Evans wasn't signed as a fullback and then moved to wr. Lee would've gone elsewhere if he was paid fullback money after making it probowl as a wr.

[ddaryl]

Sorry but its no excuse. The tape doesn't lie. Edwards and Losman were sitting around in the pocket for 4-5 seconds without releasing the ball before getting sacked. That would show up on the stat sheet against Peters or whoever was blocking that player.

.

Wow, I disagree with Trent. I thought he did a pretty damn good job getting rid of the Ball most of the time. In fact he was getting rid of the ball quickly that we rarely took shots down field because he was dumping off before a play might have developed down field.

not saying he didn't hold onto the ball at times, but a QB in his 1st year as a starter is going to have those kind of pain. He definitely did a a much better job of getting rid of the ball then JP did.. or Bledsoe or RJ etc...

[Michael82]

3 first round picks is very expensive not to mention giving up a pro bowler for a ?.
How about a 1st round pick and a OT prospect, maybe someone like Justice.... :idunno:

[justasportsfan]

then those were the fans that werent watching him get blown by at least 1 time every week and voting him on purely bc of reputation
I doubt he got enough votes from bills fans alone to make it in. Chances are the only ones who voted him in are homers and that wouldn't be enough. He made it in with players and coaches voting him in most likely.

[Night Train]

All the same, he will holdout for good this time...and how again does that help us exactly ?

If he's truely being a contentious *****, the team is put on a corner and must explore offers prior to the draft.

The tough talk doesn't mean anything to me. We would still need his replacement and a high pick or 2 may be the only alternative. Rosenhaus wouldn't pull the crap Parker does as an agent.

[justasportsfan]

How about a 1st round pick and a OT prospect, maybe someone like Justice.... :idunno:


Don't you ***** that we're rebuilding ever again.

[Philagape]

i googled sacks given up by left tackles and found this

1. Ryan Clady, Denver, 0.5 sack
2. Michael Roos, Tennessee, 1 sack PRO BOWLER
3-T. Tony Ugoh, Indianapolis, 2 sacks* (Started 11)
3-T. Tra Thomas, Philadelphia, 2 sacks
3-T. Jared Gaither, Baltimore, 2 sacks* (He missed first quarter of Philadelphia game because of a shoulder injury)
7. Jake Long, Miami, 2.5 sacks
8-T. Marcus McNeill, San Diego, 3 sacks* (13 games)
8-T. Chris Samuels, Washington, 3 sacks* (Only appeared in 12 games)
8-T. Jordan Gross, Carolina, 3 sacks* (Missed 1 game) PRO BOWLER
8-T. Jammal Brown, New Orleans, 3 sacks* (Missed 1 game)
8-T. Todd Weiner, Atlanta, 3 sacks* (Started 10 games and appeared in 15)
13-T. Joe Thomas, Cleveland, 3.5 sacks PRO BOWLER
13-T. Walter Jones, Seattle, 3.5 sacks* (12 games) PRO BOWLER
15-T. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, NY Jets, 4 sacks
15-T. Bryant McKinnie, Minnesota, 4 sacks* (11 games)
15-T. Max Starks, Pittsburgh, 4 sacks* (10 starts)
18. Brandon Albert, Kansas City, 4.5 sacks* (Missed 1 game)
19. Levi Jones, Cincinnati, 5.5 sacks* (10 games)
20. Mike Gandy, Arizona, 6.25 sacks
21-T. Chad Clifton, Green Bay, 6.5 sacks* (missed 1 game)
21-T. David Diehl, NY Giants, 6.5 sacks
23. Flozell Adams, Dallas, 7.25 PRO BOWLER
24-T. Khalif Barnes, Jacksonville, 7.5 sacks
24-T. Matt Light, New England, 7.5 sacks
24-T. Kwame Harris, 7.5 sacks* (Started 11, appeared in 13)
27. Donald Penn, Tampa Bay, 8 sacks
28. Joe Staley, San Francisco, 8.5 sacks
29. Jeff Backus, Detroit, 9.25 sacks
30. John St. Clair, Chicago, 9.75 sacks
T-31. Duane Brown, Houston, 11.5 sacks
T-31. Jason Peters, Buffalo, 11.5 sacks* PRO BOWLER (13 games)

So even if only half of the sacks were his fault, he'd still be 20th.

No way in hell does he deserve to be the highest-paid LT.

[ddaryl]

lol. Lee Evans wasn't signed as a fullback and then moved to wr. Lee would've gone elsewhere if he was paid fullback money after making it probowl as a wr.

Lee Evans was grossly under paid with 1 year left on his contract and he didn't hold the team hostage. In fact he played through that year and showed up to all mandatory's an dwas a team player.

it is utter stupidity for anyone to think we MUST pay Peters whatever he demands...

There is a 8.5 - 9 mil offer on the table. if that is not good enough for Peters then he is a headcase.

[yordad]

3 first round picks is very expensive not to mention giving up a pro bowler for a ?.What did the #20-30s get paid last year?

[Michael82]

All the same, he will holdout for good this time...and how again does that help us exactly ?

If he's truely being a contentious *****, the team is put on a corner and must explore offers prior to the draft.

The tough talk doesn't mean anything to me. We would still need his replacement and a high pick or 2 may be the only alternative. Rosenhaus wouldn't pull the crap Parker does as an agent.
He will NOT holdout for good this time. He'll just do what he did last year so he doesn't lose a paycheck. But they don't want that again (it really hurt the team) and that is why they are now shopping him around.

[justasportsfan]

Lee Evans was grossly under paid with 1 year left on his contract and he didn't hold the team hostage. In fact he played through that year and showed up to all mandatory's an dwas a team player.

it is utter stupidity for anyone to think we MUST pay Peters whatever he demands...

There is a 8.5 - 9 mil offer on the table. if that is not good enough for Peters then he is a headcase.


I agree that Peters screwed up last year. That done and over with.

We need to move forward. We can either move forward with rookies and overapid players like Kelsay while the eagles move forward with Peters. Who do you think is going to the playoffs?

[Tatonka]

3 first round picks is very expensive not to mention giving up a pro bowler for a ?.

your right.. because buffalo is so close to the cap, they could never do it.

and lower end 1st rounders are not expensive ta all.

[Michael82]

Here's the top paid OL from last year. Let's see where they rank on the sacks allowed list....

<TABLE id=NFLSalTable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=front-head2>2008 OL </TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#000000 height=1>http://images.usatoday.com/_common/_images/clear.gif</TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans height=135><TABLE id=PlayersByPositionGrid style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 1px; BORDER-LEFT-WIDTH: 1px; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: white; BORDER-BOTTOM-WIDTH: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: white; WIDTH: 638px; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: white; BORDER-RIGHT-WIDTH: 1px; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: white" borderColor=white cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=left>Player (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135) </TD><TD align=left>Team (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=Nickname) </TD><TD align=right>Base Salary (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=BaseSalary+desc) </TD><TD align=right>Sign Bonus (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=SignBonus+desc) </TD><TD align=right>Other Bonus (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=OtherBonuses+desc) </TD><TD align=right>Total Salary (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=Salary) </TD><TD align=right>Cap Value (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=CapValue+desc) </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%">Snee, Chris (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3556) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Giants </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 890,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 13,500,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 500,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 14,890,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 4,029,166 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%">Adams, Flozell (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=7) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Cowboys </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 13,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 5,760 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 14,005,760 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 3,103,703 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%">Roos, Michael (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3920) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Titans </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 620,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 9,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 3,885,520 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 13,505,520 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 6,483,024 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%">Faine, Jeff (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=2790) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Buccaneers </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 12,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 105,760 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 13,105,760 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 7,005,760 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%">Wharton, Travelle (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3613) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Panthers </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 600,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 12,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 250,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 12,850,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,712,882 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%">Smiley, Justin (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3547) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Dolphins </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 900,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 9,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 100,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 10,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,800,000 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%">Albert, Branden (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=4690) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Chiefs </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 295,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,500,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 6,683,750 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 9,478,750 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 4,798,750 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%">Stewart, David (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3947) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Titans </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 6,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,006,240 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 9,006,240 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 4,006,240 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%">Bell, Jacob (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3258) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Rams </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 7,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 4,920 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 9,004,920 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 3,171,586 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%">Faneca, Alan (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=680) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Jets </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 4,200,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 3,800,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 9,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 5,640,000</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Hmmm, here's more players here....

http://forums.thephins.com/showthread.php?t=27106

OG Chris Snee... 1 sack allowed
OT Flozell Adams... 7.25 sacks allowed (he's getting old)
OT Michael Roos... 1 sack allowed
C Jeff Faine... 1 sack allowed
OG Travelle Wharton... 2.5 sacks allowed
OG Justin Smiley... 2.5 sacks allowed
OT Branden Albert... 4.5 sacks allowed
OT David Stewart... 2.0 sacks allowed
OG Jacob Bell... 2.5 sacks allowed
OG Alan Faneca... 7.0 sacks allowed

[Mahdi]

then those were the fans that werent watching him get blown by at least 1 time every week and voting him on purely bc of reputation
Thats simply a false statement. In fact im going to re-watch every snap Peters played last year and end this argument once and for all.

Peters did not get beat weekly. and like I said many of the times he did get beat they were coverage sacks. You cant hold blocks forever.

[justasportsfan]

Here's the top paid OL from last year. Let's see where they rank on the sacks allowed list....

<TABLE id=NFLSalTable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=front-head2>2008 OL </TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#000000 height=1>http://images.usatoday.com/_common/_images/clear.gif</TD></TR><TR><TD class=small-copy-sans height=135><TABLE id=PlayersByPositionGrid style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 1px; BORDER-LEFT-WIDTH: 1px; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: white; BORDER-BOTTOM-WIDTH: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: white; WIDTH: 638px; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: white; BORDER-RIGHT-WIDTH: 1px; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: white" borderColor=white cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=left> Player (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135) </TD><TD align=left>Team (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=Nickname) </TD><TD align=right>Base Salary (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=BaseSalary+desc) </TD><TD align=right>Sign Bonus (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=SignBonus+desc) </TD><TD align=right>Other Bonus (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=OtherBonuses+desc) </TD><TD align=right>Total Salary (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=Salary) </TD><TD align=right>Cap Value (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=CapValue+desc) </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Snee, Chris (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3556) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Giants </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 890,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 13,500,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 500,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 14,890,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 4,029,166 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Adams, Flozell (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=7) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Cowboys </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 13,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 5,760 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 14,005,760 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 3,103,703 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Roos, Michael (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3920) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Titans </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 620,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 9,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 3,885,520 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 13,505,520 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 6,483,024 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Faine, Jeff (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=2790) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Buccaneers </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 12,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 105,760 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 13,105,760 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 7,005,760 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Wharton, Travelle (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3613) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Panthers </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 600,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 12,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 250,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 12,850,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,712,882 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Smiley, Justin (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3547) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Dolphins </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 900,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 9,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 100,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 10,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,800,000 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Albert, Branden (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=4690) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Chiefs </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 295,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,500,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 6,683,750 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 9,478,750 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 4,798,750 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Stewart, David (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3947) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Titans </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 6,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,006,240 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 9,006,240 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 4,006,240 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Bell, Jacob (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3258) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Rams </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 2,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 7,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 4,920 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 9,004,920 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 3,171,586 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%"> Faneca, Alan (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=680) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Jets </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 1,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 4,200,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 3,800,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 9,000,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 5,640,000</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


while you're at it, pull out wr and DE's list and compare them to Lee and our DE's .

[Tatonka]

All the same, he will holdout for good this time...and how again does that help us exactly ?

If he's truely being a contentious *****, the team is put on a corner and must explore offers prior to the draft.

The tough talk doesn't mean anything to me. We would still need his replacement and a high pick or 2 may be the only alternative. Rosenhaus wouldn't pull the crap Parker does as an agent.

he wont hold out for good. he wants his money.. he will puff his chest out and act like and ass again while walker does a much better job than peters did at playing LT and then peters will drag his fat lazy ass back in here and play..

i can honestly say i would find it totally amusing if he held out and then the bills just forgot about it.. let him rot for 2 yeras and not play. that would be hilarious and it would teach greedy ass players all over the league that they can suck a dick on the whole "im holding out because i hold all the cards" deal.

[FlyingDutchman]

I doubt he got enough votes from bills fans alone to make it in. Chances are the only ones who voted him in are homers and that wouldn't be enough. He made it in with players and coaches voting him in most likely.

however he got in, I dunno, but what I do know is numbers dont lie. Look where he was as far as sacks. Look how many 100 yard games Lynch had behind him.

[Mahdi]

he wont hold out for good. he wants his money.. he will puff his chest out and act like and ass again while walker does a much better job than peters did at playing LT and then peters will drag his fat lazy ass back in here and play..

i can honestly say i would find it totally amusing if he held out and then the bills just forgot about it.. let him rot for 2 yeras and not play. that would be hilarious and it would teach greedy ass players all over the league that they can suck a dick on the whole "im holding out because i hold all the cards" deal.
Yeah the whole 1 game he played for Peters against a horrible pass rush. Lets see Walker take on Freeney, Porter, Adalius and Pace next year.

[venis2k1]

The Steelers and James Harrison is an interesting comparison. Harrison Blew up last year with 16 sacks and 7 Forced Fumbles...not to mention the 100 yard INT return to win the SB. James Harrison wants a new contract.
He is gonna make less than 1.5 million this year and at 30 years old this is gonna be his only big payday. As the reigning Defensive POY he deserves it. Harrison's agent already said he will not hold out and he will be there in camp, new contract or not.

Peters is gonna make a WHOLE lot more than 1.5 million this year and is coming off a disapointing year(no one can argue that) but is still gonna snub his nose at 8 million a year??

Don't get confused, The bills aren't being cheap here. If anything they are being generous, Jason Peters is just a dumb crybaby B*tch.

[justasportsfan]

however he got in, I dunno, but what I do know is numbers dont lie. Look where he was as far as sacks. Look how many 100 yard games Lynch had behind him.

With all due respect , nos don't tell the entire story.

Looks to me the FO blames Dockery who's beside him which is why he just got fired. The funny thing is that we just fired someone who we made the highest paid player in franchise history.

The bills love throwing their money to the wrong people which is why I want the opposite of what they want to happen. They don't want to pay Peters, I say they should. They want to overpay Kelsay I say they shouldn't.

[Michael82]

Here's the top paid OL from last year. Let's see where they rank on the sacks allowed list....

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(http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=SignBonus+desc) </TD><TD align=right>Other Bonus (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=OtherBonuses+desc) </TD><TD align=right>Total Salary (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=Salary) </TD><TD align=right>Cap Value (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135&order=CapValue+desc) </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffdccb" nowrap="nowrap"><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 25%">Snee, Chris (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3556) </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 10%" align=left>Giants </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 890,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link style="WIDTH: 13%" align=right>$ 13,500,000 </TD><TD class=front-lede-link 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Hmmm, here's more players here....

http://forums.thephins.com/showthread.php?t=27106


OG Chris Snee... 1 sack allowed
OT Flozell Adams... 7.25 sacks allowed (he's getting old)
OT Michael Roos... 1 sack allowed
C Jeff Faine... 1 sack allowed
OG Travelle Wharton... 2.5 sacks allowed
OG Justin Smiley... 2.5 sacks allowed
OT Branden Albert... 4.5 sacks allowed
OT David Stewart... 2.0 sacks allowed
OG Jacob Bell... 2.5 sacks allowed
OG Alan Faneca... 7.0 sacks allowed

[Tatonka]

peters apologists.. you sound like his agent.. well even though he was WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY worse than a lot of rookie left tackles.. he is still the best in the league.. the numbers dont lie.. i mean.. um.. they DO .. yeah.. they numbers DO LIE!.

[Tatonka]

Yeah the whole 1 game he played for Peters against a horrible pass rush. Lets see Walker take on Freeney, Porter, Adalius and Pace next year.

your right.. he might.. um.. give up 11.5 sacks.

[OpIv37]

At this point, I don't wanna see Peters in a Bills uniform... I'm tired of his crap.

I think some of you are grossly oversimplifying this situation.

Granted, Peters has become a headache. Face it- the guy's a mercenary. He plays for the money. But when he's in shape, he plays well. We fans are just going to have to accept the fact that it's a business and the players will never have the loyalty that we do.

Second, finding a franchise LT is very difficult. Walker/Chambers at the bookends is not nearly as good as Peters/Walker, and it may be years before we find another left tackle. Hell, it took Peters 2 or 3 years to evolve into the position.

Third, we lost 4 offensive linemen, including two starters. Granted, every single one of them sucked and it was by choice, but if we trade peters, we're talking about 60% new starters on the OL, and at the very least, LT will be downgraded. We have all the skill players with the possible exception of QB- Evans, Owens, Lynch, Jackson- we'll simply be wasting their talents while we rebuild the OL. And the question mark at QB makes a solid OL all that much more important.

So, in a perfect world, it would be great to just trade Peters and be done with his BS. But in the real world, doing so would have a negative impact on a team that already looks pretty lackluster. Be careful what you wish for.

[justasportsfan]

peters apologists.. you sound like his agent.. well even though he was WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY worse than a lot of rookie left tackles.. he is still the best in the league.. the numbers dont lie.. i mean.. um.. they DO .. yeah.. they numbers DO LIE!.
actually I sound like a pissed off bills fan who's waiting to make playoffs and still pissed off that we're rebuilding with this staff 4th year because we keep paying the wrong people and getting rid of our best talent.

But hey, if you guys want to rebuild again, that's fine. Just don't want to hear anything negative if we don't make playoffs with rookies who may or may not pan out especially under this staff.

[TacklingDummy]

Sorry but if I was an NFL owner the only players im paying $10 million a year for either throw the ball, catch the ball, or put pressure on the other teams QB (DT,DE). Only foolish owners pay o-linemen $10 million per year.

[OpIv37]

your right.. he might.. um.. give up 11.5 sacks.

keep telling yourself that- if he gets traded you'll see how much he means to this team next season.

[Mahdi]

your right.. he might.. um.. give up 11.5 sacks.
Yer a pretty educated football fan. Why dont you re-watch all the offensive snaps from last season and analyze all the sacks Peters gave up then tell me if they were all his fault.

[Tatonka]

Second, finding a franchise LT is very difficult.

really?

look at all the rookies on there that did better than peters.

1. Ryan Clady, Denver, 0.5 sack
2. Michael Roos, Tennessee, 1 sack PRO BOWLER
3-T. Tony Ugoh, Indianapolis, 2 sacks* (Started 11)
3-T. Tra Thomas, Philadelphia, 2 sacks
3-T. Jared Gaither, Baltimore, 2 sacks* (He missed first quarter of Philadelphia game because of a shoulder injury)
7. Jake Long, Miami, 2.5 sacks
8-T. Marcus McNeill, San Diego, 3 sacks* (13 games)
8-T. Chris Samuels, Washington, 3 sacks* (Only appeared in 12 games)
8-T. Jordan Gross, Carolina, 3 sacks* (Missed 1 game) PRO BOWLER
8-T. Jammal Brown, New Orleans, 3 sacks* (Missed 1 game)
8-T. Todd Weiner, Atlanta, 3 sacks* (Started 10 games and appeared in 15)
13-T. Joe Thomas, Cleveland, 3.5 sacks PRO BOWLER
13-T. Walter Jones, Seattle, 3.5 sacks* (12 games) PRO BOWLER
15-T. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, NY Jets, 4 sacks
15-T. Bryant McKinnie, Minnesota, 4 sacks* (11 games)
15-T. Max Starks, Pittsburgh, 4 sacks* (10 starts)
18. Brandon Albert, Kansas City, 4.5 sacks* (Missed 1 game)
19. Levi Jones, Cincinnati, 5.5 sacks* (10 games)
20. Mike Gandy, Arizona, 6.25 sacks
21-T. Chad Clifton, Green Bay, 6.5 sacks* (missed 1 game)
21-T. David Diehl, NY Giants, 6.5 sacks
23. Flozell Adams, Dallas, 7.25 PRO BOWLER
24-T. Khalif Barnes, Jacksonville, 7.5 sacks
24-T. Matt Light, New England, 7.5 sacks
24-T. Kwame Harris, 7.5 sacks* (Started 11, appeared in 13)
27. Donald Penn, Tampa Bay, 8 sacks
28. Joe Staley, San Francisco, 8.5 sacks
29. Jeff Backus, Detroit, 9.25 sacks
30. John St. Clair, Chicago, 9.75 sacks
T-31. Duane Brown, Houston, 11.5 sacks
T-31. Jason Peters, Buffalo, 11.5 sacks* PRO BOWLER (13 games)

[Tatonka]

Yer a pretty educated football fan. Why dont you re-watch all the offensive snaps from last season and analyze all the sacks Peters gave up then tell me if they were all his fault.

i dont need to watch all the snaps from last year.. i watched them all when it happened... i didnt miss a single snap.. and i saw peters on 3 occassions get just absolutely owned and trent got blindsided.. all 3 hits could have ended the guys season... fortunately they didnt.. and peters was standing there with his hands on his hips, not even offering to help edwards up.

i know what i saw.

peters was not good last year.. the fact that he made the prowbowl is an absolute joke.

he is absolutely, 100% replaceable. there is no doubt about it.

[OpIv37]

really?

look at all the rookies on there that did better than peters.

1. Ryan Clady, Denver, 0.5 sack
2. Michael Roos, Tennessee, 1 sack PRO BOWLER
3-T. Tony Ugoh, Indianapolis, 2 sacks* (Started 11)
3-T. Tra Thomas, Philadelphia, 2 sacks
3-T. Jared Gaither, Baltimore, 2 sacks* (He missed first quarter of Philadelphia game because of a shoulder injury)
7. Jake Long, Miami, 2.5 sacks
8-T. Marcus McNeill, San Diego, 3 sacks* (13 games)
8-T. Chris Samuels, Washington, 3 sacks* (Only appeared in 12 games)
8-T. Jordan Gross, Carolina, 3 sacks* (Missed 1 game) PRO BOWLER
8-T. Jammal Brown, New Orleans, 3 sacks* (Missed 1 game)
8-T. Todd Weiner, Atlanta, 3 sacks* (Started 10 games and appeared in 15)
13-T. Joe Thomas, Cleveland, 3.5 sacks PRO BOWLER
13-T. Walter Jones, Seattle, 3.5 sacks* (12 games) PRO BOWLER
15-T. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, NY Jets, 4 sacks
15-T. Bryant McKinnie, Minnesota, 4 sacks* (11 games)
15-T. Max Starks, Pittsburgh, 4 sacks* (10 starts)
18. Brandon Albert, Kansas City, 4.5 sacks* (Missed 1 game)
19. Levi Jones, Cincinnati, 5.5 sacks* (10 games)
20. Mike Gandy, Arizona, 6.25 sacks
21-T. Chad Clifton, Green Bay, 6.5 sacks* (missed 1 game)
21-T. David Diehl, NY Giants, 6.5 sacks
23. Flozell Adams, Dallas, 7.25 PRO BOWLER
24-T. Khalif Barnes, Jacksonville, 7.5 sacks
24-T. Matt Light, New England, 7.5 sacks
24-T. Kwame Harris, 7.5 sacks* (Started 11, appeared in 13)
27. Donald Penn, Tampa Bay, 8 sacks
28. Joe Staley, San Francisco, 8.5 sacks
29. Jeff Backus, Detroit, 9.25 sacks
30. John St. Clair, Chicago, 9.75 sacks
T-31. Duane Brown, Houston, 11.5 sacks
T-31. Jason Peters, Buffalo, 11.5 sacks* PRO BOWLER (13 games)

First, we all know Peters was out of shape going into the season- he'll be much better if he gets a full off season in.

Second, who compiled these numbers? Were they in the huddle to hear the coverage calls? If not, how do they know whose mistake it really was? How did they determine which player gave up the sack? There is an element of subjectivity to those numbers, yet Bills fans have this aversion to giving ANYONE a big contract, so they make excuses.

I will readily agree that Peters did NOT deserve the Pro Bowl last year and he made it on name recognition ONLY, but it's short-sighted to take one subjective stat and use that to determine Peters' value.

[Tatonka]

keep telling yourself that- if he gets traded you'll see how much he means to this team next season.

no

one

in

the entire NFL

gave up more sacks than

PETERS

last year.

you keep telling yourself something different.

[justasportsfan]

Sorry but if I was an NFL owner the owner players im paying $10 million a year for either throw the ball, catch the ball, or put pressure on the other teams QB (DT,DE). Only foolish owners pay o-linemen $10 million per year.
what the hell was Parcells thinking paying a rookie 11.5 million. He's obviously clueless

[OpIv37]

you keep telling yourself something different.

you keep believing a subjective number because it tells you what you want to hear.

[justasportsfan]

really?

look at all the rookies on there that did better than peters.


they have coaches that offset the lack of talent. We don't have that.

[Tatonka]

First, we all know Peters was out of shape going into the season- he'll be much better if he gets a full off season in.

Second, who compiled these numbers? Were they in the huddle to hear the coverage calls? If not, how do they know whose mistake it really was? How did they determine which player gave up the sack? There is an element of subjectivity to those numbers, yet Bills fans have this aversion to giving ANYONE a big contract, so they make excuses.

I will readily agree that Peters did NOT deserve the Pro Bowl last year and he made it on name recognition ONLY, but it's short-sighted to take one subjective stat and use that to determine Peters' value.

i dont know who came up with the numbers.. but let me as you this.. did they conspire against just peters?? i mean if the numbers are skewed, then they would be skewed for everyone..

it is just another excuse for peters apologist who for some reason insist on coddling a greedy sack of **** who the bills made.. and you talk about him being in much better shape this season so everything will be all good?? where is he now? because he isnt working out with the team.. and it is not like he is T.O... he is clearly not known for his excellent workout habbits.. he proved that last year.

[venis2k1]

you guys that complain about overpaying mediocore players like kelsay and schobel but in the same breath want to pay a guy that gave up 11 sacks last year 11 million a year is insane to me. Why?? cause he made the probowl?

[Tatonka]

no no.. he didnt give up 11 sacks.. the numbers are wrong!

it was probably more like 15. :snicker:

[Tatonka]

maybe peters made dockery look terrible. how bout that.

[Mahdi]

I think some of you are grossly oversimplifying this situation.

Granted, Peters has become a headache. Face it- the guy's a mercenary. He plays for the money. But when he's in shape, he plays well. We fans are just going to have to accept the fact that it's a business and the players will never have the loyalty that we do.

Second, finding a franchise LT is very difficult. Walker/Chambers at the bookends is not nearly as good as Peters/Walker, and it may be years before we find another left tackle. Hell, it took Peters 2 or 3 years to evolve into the position.

Third, we lost 4 offensive linemen, including two starters. Granted, every single one of them sucked and it was by choice, but if we trade peters, we're talking about 60% new starters on the OL, and at the very least, LT will be downgraded. We have all the skill players with the possible exception of QB- Evans, Owens, Lynch, Jackson- we'll simply be wasting their talents while we rebuild the OL. And the question mark at QB makes a solid OL all that much more important.

So, in a perfect world, it would be great to just trade Peters and be done with his BS. But in the real world, doing so would have a negative impact on a team that already looks pretty lackluster. Be careful what you wish for.
Thanks.

Wasn't too long ago we were praying for an Elite player on the OL. Well this is part of having talented players.

Ask the Seahawks.

[OpIv37]

you guys that complain about overpaying mediocore players like kelsay and schobel but in the same breath want to pay a guy that gave up 11 sacks last year 11 million a year is insane to me. Why?? cause he made the probowl?

Peters isn't mediocre. Watch the tapes. Putting him in the same category as Schobel and Kelsay just shows a lack of understanding of football.

[Mahdi]

i dont need to watch all the snaps from last year.. i watched them all when it happened... i didnt miss a single snap.. and i saw peters on 3 occassions get just absolutely owned and trent got blindsided.. all 3 hits could have ended the guys season... fortunately they didnt.. and peters was standing there with his hands on his hips, not even offering to help edwards up.

i know what i saw.

peters was not good last year.. the fact that he made the prowbowl is an absolute joke.

he is absolutely, 100% replaceable. there is no doubt about it.
we agree there. He was blown by on a few occasions.

Chris Long, Quentin Groves, and Kalimba Edwards I believe.

That was the first 3 games he played. Thats no excuse but from that point on he was solid.

You cant discount the fact that horrible QB play factored into the sacks against.

[justasportsfan]

it is just another excuse for peters apologist who for some reason insist on coddling a greedy sack of **** who the bills made.. .


exactly. So the blame falls on the FO to begin with. Maybe the FO apologist can make sense of paying Kelsay and co.

[Tatonka]

we agree there. He was blown by on a few occasions.

Chris Long, Quentin Groves, and Kalimba Edwards I believe.

That was the first 3 games he played. Thats no excuse but from that point on he was solid.

You cant discount the fact that horrible QB play factored into the sacks against.

and look at the names you just listed.. seriously.. 2 rookies and a bust.. come on.

he is not elite.

[ddaryl]

Peters isn't mediocre. Watch the tapes. Putting him in the same category as Schobel and Kelsay just shows a lack of understanding of football.

Peters was at best mediocre in 2008... He had moments when he dominated, and he had moments when he just took plays off

I would never under any circumstance offer to make a player the highest paid at his position after this player holds out with 2 years left on an existing deal. Loyalty coupled with undenyable performance is the price for that honor.

With 2 years left on an existing deal and being offered a pay raise that guarentees you somewheres between 20 - 30 million, and more then doubles your exisitng salary all while you have an existing contract in place, I fail to see why Peters will not sign the deal in front of him right now. It is nothing more then a game of pride for Peters, he needs that 12 million for one reason only, so his ego can feel justfied and he can brag and show it off.

I'll bet the farm that says Peters will never live up to a 12 mil per contract. When your that driven about the money 9 times our of 10 production tails off cause your enjoying the phat life and their is no longer a carrot big enough that can be dangled in front of you to motivate you.

[Mahdi]

and look at the names you just listed.. seriously.. 2 rookies and a bust.. come on.

he is not elite.
Ok but he looked really rusty on those sacks... he barely moved. Once he got over the first couple of games though he was back to normal.

Bottom line is the guy is an athletic freak, who can block anyone. On his best day he is unbeatable. I can look past a bad half of 2008.

The guy is everything you want in a LT and more. Lets keep an elite player for once.

[ddaryl]

Thanks.

Wasn't too long ago we were praying for an Elite player on the OL. Well this is part of having talented players.

Ask the Seahawks.

but that is just it... Is peters elite, and if he is what the hell happened in 2008.

Some say Dockery was the problem, but it wasn't Dockery IMO... Peters held out and wasn;'t ready to go. He played half heartedly and it showed.

SO yes paying elite players record money is acceptable.. the debate now is Peters elite.

NO, he is a very good to excellent player, but elite players don't have an off year after just one really good year under any formula. Elite players work tirelessly to better themselves, and IMO for a player to be considered elite they need to do what's best for the team while under contract.




I can look past a bad half of 2008.

.


I can't because he held the team hostage for absolutly no reason but greed. He could have made his point and stil showed up at trainign camp and played the season. The Bills were not going to deal with both Evans and Peters in 2008, so peters just did what he did to get out of camp and the necessary work needed to maintain his quest for elite status

[venis2k1]

Bottom line is the guy is an athletic freak, who can block anyone. On his best day he is unbeatable. I can look past a bad half of 2008.


I have to question your football IQ. You want to give a guy 60 million dollars cause he played half a season "pretty well"

but your right, once peters shook off the rust this team started to roll. we went 2-8 over the last ten games with our "All Pro" Left Tackle.

[OpIv37]

So, to those of you who want Peters traded, what's your alternative? If we trade him, how do we find a LG to protect our inexperienced QB and allow our RB's and WR's to do their jobs?

[justasportsfan]

you guys that complain about overpaying mediocore players like kelsay and schobel but in the same breath want to pay a guy that gave up 11 sacks last year 11 million a year is insane to me. Why?? cause he made the probowl?
because he's the best talent we have that's been there and done that and we're desperate. He had a bad year and no one will deny that but he's proven that he has what it takes .

I would rather take a chance on him getting back to his 07 form than a rookie making any sort of impact especially under this coaching staff . Lets not forget that under this staff, we have yet to produce a top talent from the players they've drafted.

Whitner and Poz are mediocre at best who are still NOT making any sort of impact that wins us games. Rebuild this OL and we're looking for another 2-3 years (if we're lucky) before these players do aything significant.

People want to say move Walker to LT. He played weak teams when he was there and he hasn't proven he can handle an entire season at LT.

We need good book ends tp protect an unproven QB and Peters is the best one we have playing opposite Walker.

[Patti120]

I think TO will be more than willing to step in and play some LT if it comes down to it.

[HHURRICANE]

Peters isn't mediocre. Watch the tapes. Putting him in the same category as Schobel and Kelsay just shows a lack of understanding of football.

If people actually watched the tape they wouldn't be quoting statistics. I watched plays last year where he was taking out two guys at a time on running plays while Dockery was standing there doing nothing.

He made some mistakes no doubt and the time he missed hurt him but he's still the best player on this team.

[justasportsfan]

So, to those of you who want Peters traded, what's your alternative? If we trade him, how do we find a LG to protect our inexperienced QB and allow our RB's and WR's to do their jobs?

LT-Walker ( not proven to handle that position 1 entire year)
RG- Rookie
Center- Hangartner - unproven center
RG- Bell-unproven
RT - Chambers (a back up at RT)

or grab an LT in the draft and Walker stays at RT and Chambers moves to LG.

With that, lets make this unproven OL face the 3-4 D's in the AFCE that I'm sure is gonna be better than what they we last year.

UNproven OL + unproven Qb + unproven coaches = ???

[justasportsfan]

I think TO will be more than willing to step in and play some LT if it comes down to it.


Lets get rid of Peters then. :up:

[venis2k1]

because he's the best talent we have that's been there and done that and we're desperate. He had a bad year and no one will deny that but he's proven that he has what it takes .

Id like to say that i like Peters, and i dont want to see him traded. But we are not "desperate" he is under contract with us for 2 more years. He has no leverage at all. as you stated, he did have a bad year, so instead of *****ing and whining, why cant he work hard and show us all what he can do THIS YEAR, then try to get a new contract in a year when he didnt grade out as the 31st best LT in the NFL.

[Michael82]

LT-Walker ( not proven to handle that position 1 entire year)
RG- Rookie
Center- Hangartner - unproven center
RG- Bell-unproven
RT - Chambers (a back up at RT)

or grab an LT in the draft and Walker stays at RT and Chambers moves to LG.

With that, lets make this unproven OL face the 3-4 D's in the AFCE that I'm sure is gonna be better than what they we last year.

UNproven OL + unproven Qb + unproven coaches = ???
Why would you get rid of Butler? He was pretty good at RG and one of our most consistant linemen.

[Mahdi]

I have to question your football IQ. You want to give a guy 60 million dollars cause he played half a season "pretty well"

but your right, once peters shook off the rust this team started to roll. we went 2-8 over the last ten games with our "All Pro" Left Tackle.
O ok.. so because we went 2-8 when Peters was playing well that proves he isn't worth it... I think that brings YOUR football IQ into question.

Why do you think the press was constantly asking Trent Edwards why he is having difficulty finding receivers...?

Cause he was sitting there all day not knowing where to go with the football... I suppose thats Peters fault too.

[justasportsfan]

Why would you get rid of Butler? He was pretty good at RG and one of our most consistant linemen.
Sorry I meant Butler instead of bell. It's not like he's so proven that I'd remember his name.

Thanks.

[ddaryl]

So, to those of you who want Peters traded, what's your alternative? If we trade him, how do we find a LG to protect our inexperienced QB and allow our RB's and WR's to do their jobs?

I don't want ot trade im but I wouldn't pay him 10-12 mil a season.

He is under contract so my 1st choice is to draft Oher or Andre Smith at #11 and pencil them in LG. Continue to talk with Peters and get him signed at the 9-10 mil a season rate at most.

LT- Peters
LG - Smith or Oher
C - Hargartner
RG - Butler
RT - Walker


but if Peters holds out

LT - (Walker or Smith / Oher competition)
LG - (Butler, Bell or Smith / Oher if Walker win LT battle)
C - Hargartner
RG - Butler or Bell
RT - Chambers


we still have options for some interior OL talent in later rounds to improve depth and competition

If we trade Peters then we will definitely be drafting multiple OL positions and we will more then likely draft either Andre Smith Britton of Oher in rd #1.

not ideal but again there is no chance at all of Peters getting the deal he is being a snot about.

[justasportsfan]

Id like to say that i like Peters, and i dont want to see him traded. But we are not "desperate" he is under contract with us for 2 more years. He has no leverage at all. as you stated, he did have a bad year, so instead of *****ing and whining, why cant he work hard and show us all what he can do THIS YEAR, then try to get a new contract in a year when he didnt grade out as the 31st best LT in the NFL.


we are desperate to win...is what I meant.

I don't blame him. The bills got a huge discount at LT in the last 2 years despite his play last year. If he gets injured he won't even be worth what he's getting now.


I agree, he has no leverage but if this team is in a mess, the FO did it by paying players who aren't worth anything and trying to be cheap at postions and players that matter most.

[justasportsfan]

PAts- Jets-fins :lolpoint:

LT - (Walker or Smith / Oher competition)
LG - (Butler, Bell or Smith / Oher if Walker win LT battle)
C - Hargartner
RG - Butler or Bell
RT - Chambers


.

Trent :fogey: = Fitz :dance:
TO :opiv:
Evans :wtf:

Reed :dance3:
Don't be surprised if we're dinking to Reed again.

any of them go down to injury........ whats the first pick of the draft going to cost in an uncapped year? ANyone know? :idunno:

[Michael82]

Wasn't this Peters that was supposed to protect JP's blindside? :ill:

http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d80d4ac83

[justasportsfan]

Wasn't this Peters that was supposed to protect JP's blindside? :ill:

http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d80d4ac83


Oh cmon Mikey. That was partly JPs fault .

[FlyingDutchman]

sure you can say numbers (which is the closest thing to fact) are skewered bc of factors out of Peters control, but for those who watched closely last year saw him get blown by on several occasions. He almost cost us the Jax game when he got blown by and Trent was blindsided and fumbled. All im hearing is excuses for Peters. Excuses dont go far in the business world, and Excuses dont get you the highest paying gig in the league.

[TacklingDummy]

Oh cmon Mikey. That was partly JPs fault .

Oh please, look at the whiff Peters puts on Elam.

[justasportsfan]

Oh please, look at the whiff Peters puts on Elam.

you JP Licker.

[justasportsfan]

sure you can say numbers (which is the closest thing to fact) are skewered bc of factors out of Peters control, but for those who watched closely last year saw him get blown by on several occasions. He almost cost us the Jax game when he got blown by and Trent was blindsided and fumbled. All im hearing is excuses for Peters. Excuses dont go far in the business world, and Excuses dont get you the highest paying gig in the league.


actually I think the FO is the ones getting bailed out by the fans for this mess.

Again, I'm all for rebuilding just as long no one complains if we're 0-6 in the division and drafting in the top 5 next year (if we already aren't)

[TacklingDummy]

you JP Licker. Play calling licker.

[Mahdi]

I don't want ot trade im but I wouldn't pay him 10-12 mil a season.

He is under contract so my 1st choice is to draft Oher or Andre Smith at #11 and pencil them in LG. Continue to talk with Peters and get him signed at the 9-10 mil a season rate at most.

LT- Peters
LG - Smith or Oher
C - Hargartner
RG - Butler
RT - Walker


but if Peters holds out

LT - (Walker or Smith / Oher competition)
LG - (Butler, Bell or Smith / Oher if Walker win LT battle)
C - Hargartner
RG - Butler or Bell
RT - Chambers


we still have options for some interior OL talent in later rounds to improve depth and competition

If we trade Peters then we will definitely be drafting multiple OL positions and we will more then likely draft either Andre Smith Britton of Oher in rd #1.

not ideal but again there is no chance at all of Peters getting the deal he is being a snot about.
Wow that reminds of the days of

Gandy - Bennie - Teague - Villarrial - Williams... Sweet.

[TacklingDummy]

Again, I'm all for rebuilding just as long no one complains if we're 0-6 in the division and drafting in the top 5 next year (if we already aren't) This most likely will happen with or without Peters. Let the rebuilding continue.

Peters, TO, Kelsay, Denney, Schobel all blow at rushing the passer.

The Bills need more pieces to the puzzle and trading Peters could bring the Bills 2 of those pieces.

[HHURRICANE]

Wow that reminds of the days of

Gandy - Bennie - Teague - Villarrial - Williams... Sweet.

Can I tell you how quickly people forget.

It's pretty sad that people don't get it around here.

[justasportsfan]

This most likely this will happen with or without Peters. Let the rebuilding continue.

Peters, TO, Kelsay, Denney, Schobel all blow at rushing the passer.

The Bills need more pieces to the puzzle and trading Peters could bring the Bills 2 of those pieces.

I'll take my chances with Peters over a rookie. You keep complaining we don't have talent and continuity yet you're willing to trade or get rid of both.

[Mahdi]

This most likely this will happen with or without Peters. Let the rebuilding continue.

Peters, TO, Kelsay, Denney, Schobel all blow at rushing the passer.

The Bills need more pieces to the puzzle and trading Peters could bring the Bills 2 of those pieces.
When you trade Peters you have to replace him through the draft with a high pick so its not going to get us anything extra. The first rounder we get from Philly presumably will be used on Oher or Smith.

Only difference is now we are dealing with an unknown commodity.

[justasportsfan]

Only difference is now we are dealing with an unknown commodity.
and we know what this staff is like when it comes to devloping players. they take forever and a day. Thats if they make it through their first year without getting injured which has happened a lot of our young players as well.

Trent-POz-Digi-Ellison-Simpson-Youboty-Buttler-Lynch-Hardy....

[yordad]

O ok.. so because we went 2-8 when Peters was playing well that proves he isn't worth it... I think that brings YOUR football IQ into question.

Why do you think the press was constantly asking Trent Edwards why he is having difficulty finding receivers...?

Cause he was sitting there all day not knowing where to go with the football... I suppose thats Peters fault too.So, why then did Peters give up less sacks the year before? Did the QB get worst? And, how did the other lineman do in comparison to the previous year?

[TacklingDummy]

I'll take my chances with Peters over a rookie. You keep complaining we don't have talent and continuity yet you're willing to trade or get rid of both.

Walker is already on the roster. No need to draft Peters replacement.

[TacklingDummy]

Only difference is now we are dealing with an unknown commodity.We already know Walker can replace Peters and Chambers can replace Walker.

[yordad]

Only difference is now we are dealing with an unknown commodity.Is Peters somehow a "known" commodity? :idunno:

[justasportsfan]

We already know Walker can replace Peters and Chambers can replace Walker.
:roflmao:

Don't you ever complain about lack of talent.

Chambers is so proven that teams were fighting for him but the bills paid him starting RT money. Oh wait, none of that happened.

[justasportsfan]

Is Peters somehow a "known" commodity? :idunno:


compared to every player on this team, he is.

[ddaryl]

Wow that reminds of the days of

Gandy - Bennie - Teague - Villarrial - Williams... Sweet.


LMFAO


I truly fail to see how 1 player takes us from this amazingly great OL you perceive us having by merely keeping Peters to what you called me out on above. Peters is the only player different in ANY equation. If we sign Peters were still hunting for a LG, T depth C depth and G depth.

Without Peters we still don't have Dockery, Preston or Fowler, so in my scenario IF Peters is offloaded we have

Walker * Draft * Hargartner * Butler * Chambers

or

Draft * Butler * Hargartner * Bell * Walker

or

Walker * Chambers * Hargartner * Butler * Bell

or about 10 other possible combination.

but if we keep Peters the only difference in my proposed lineup is Peters so basically what you are saying is

With Peters

Peters * Bennie * Teague * Villarrial * Williams

If Peters is that capable of being the one player that makes the entire OL tremdously better then how the hell do you explain last years debacle...

Bottom line is Peters is NOT GETTING 12 MILLION Or 11 MILLION.. He may sniff 10 MILLION.

[ddaryl]

compared to every player on this team, he is.

no he isn't. he played like crap last year, and for 11.5 million he has left a huge doubt about his commodity.... Holding the team hostage with a hold out also screams unknown commodity because in 2 -3 years he might feel the need to demand a new highest paid player contract and start the same crap over again. The fact he couldn't be bothered to show up for any workouts mandatory or voluntary also says he is a huge unkown commodity because he obvioulsy wasn't motivated enough to be in game shape while holding out.

Not having Peters on the roster is defintiely a step backwards, but I personally will never accept letting a player hold a team hostage and I will never accept a player demading to be th ehighest paid player at his position without displaying loyalty to the team 1st

[Philagape]

If the Bills had gotten this done last year, there wouldn't be contracts for Gross or Long to inflate the current demands.
Some said last year that waiting would only make the price go up, and that's what happened.

[OpIv37]

If the Bills had gotten this done last year, there wouldn't be contracts for Gross or Long to inflate the current demands.
Some said last year that waiting would only make the price go up, and that's what happened.

But we didn't have the cap space... oh wait, yes we did.

But we don't have any money... oh wait, we got some ungodly sum from Toronto.


Yet another brilliant move on the part of this FO.

[jamze132]

It will all play out. It's not like we are going to make the playoffs with or without Peters...

[ddaryl]

If the Bills had gotten this done last year, there wouldn't be contracts for Gross or Long to inflate the current demands.
Some said last year that waiting would only make the price go up, and that's what happened.

the real issue was the Bills allocated cap space and priority for Evans eventual contract upgrade which took until the Sept to get done.

Peters shouldn't have even been a part of the offseason equation last year. The fact he did cost this team by holding out is only more of a reason not to try and compete with contract of Gross and Long, Even though Gross' contract is exactly what should be acceptable to Peters, and what the Bills have come close to offering him.

Long's contract is an example of everything that is wrong with draft and the top picks pay scale. it is something I am positive is going to be a major change during the next CBA, so why should the Bills chase an artificial number of 11.5 million when in 2 years no rookie is going to be getting that for being drafted #1 overall. The system is flawed and Peters should take his head out of his ass and accept that and accept the deal on the table that is more then adequate

[psubills62]

Sorry but its no excuse. The tape doesn't lie. Edwards and Losman were sitting around in the pocket for 4-5 seconds without releasing the ball before getting sacked. That would show up on the stat sheet against Peters or whoever was blocking that player.

Bottom line is, we wouldnt be having this convo if Peters didnt allow 11.5 sacks, and since that number doesn't tell the real story then I dont go by it, because for the other 300 snaps or whatever the number is, he dominated.

You just don't get it do you? It is an excuse. This is incredible. Let me try to explain it to you.

You're saying that a lot of those sacks weren't Peters' fault...ok, let's assume you're correct. Let's say half of those sacks weren't Peters' fault. Then you have to look at every other LT in the league and say "OK, well he probably had a few sacks that weren't his fault, because they were coverage sacks." In the end, Peters is still last on that list.

And dominant LT's hold their blocks until the whistle.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. We wouldn't be having this conversation if Peters played well. Maybe the sacks don't tell the whole story, but your LT is supposed to be a great pass-blocker. Peters did not fulfill that role in 2008.

And feel free to watch tape on EVERY other LT in the game to see how many times they got dominated compared to Peters. You can't just watch the tape, say "Hey, Peters was only dominated 5% of the time" without comparison. If every other LT was dominated only 2% of the time, then Peters still looks bad, doesn't he?

[psubills62]

If the Bills had gotten this done last year, there wouldn't be contracts for Gross or Long to inflate the current demands.
Some said last year that waiting would only make the price go up, and that's what happened.

Excuse me? When did Long sign his contract? Wasn't it...last year?? Hm...

[TacklingDummy]

If the Bills had gotten this done last year, there wouldn't be contracts for Gross or Long to inflate the current demands.
Some said last year that waiting would only make the price go up, and that's what happened.


Yeah lets renegotiate a contract with 3 years left on it. Do you by any chance work on Wall Street? :crazy:

[im8th2buffalo]

Oh cmon Mikey. That was partly JPs fault .

Do you really see that as Losman's fault? He did probably have 3-4 seconds before he was hit. I guess maybe he was trusting that his "elite" LT would have his back like he is supposed to. Dockery did his job on that play. The rest of the line didn't get blown off the line. Some of you guys just love Peters so much that you can't even see when he is to blame.
I don't want Peters gone. He is a good player who had a really bad year. You can't look at the sacks given up and not see this. He gave up more than any other player on the Bills' line.

Jason Peters (Bills) 11.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
Derrick Dockery (Bills) 8.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
Duke Preston (Bills) 0.75 sacks allowed (11 starts)
Brad Butler (Bills) 1.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
Langston Walker (Bills) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)

Top pay for a LT is a joke. Peters should be jumping at any offer over $8 million.
I do think he would have done better had he shown up to camp.
I do think that some of those sacks were coverage sacks.
I do think that the team should try to keep him.
I think they should reward their star players.
I don't think Kelsey is one of them.

However
He is under contract.
Peters did not play like a star player last year.
He is underpaid if he plays like he did in 2007. Not if he plays like he did in 2008.

Open your eyes if you don't think Peters sucked in 2008. Sure he had good plays, but linemen are not allowed to take plays off. He needs to be good all year, every play. Like it or not Offensive linemen are paid to protect their QB. He did not do his job well.

The Bills should try to sign him this week. If he won't sign, then listen to trade offers or play him at his current salary. (they offered him more)
If he sits out for 2 years no team will even look at him. I hope that doesn't happen. I hope he will sign and return to the player that we know he can be.

[Jan Reimers]

With Peters' attitude, I worry that his performance will tail off, even if we meet or come close to his contract demands. He just strikes me as that kind of guy who will never be happy if he perceives he is underpaid, but will also get lazy and complacent if he gets what he wants.

I'd trade him, and draft one of the good LTs with the high pick we get for him.

[yordad]

Do you really see that as Losman's fault? He was being sarcastic, I think.

[Philagape]

Excuse me? When did Long sign his contract? Wasn't it...last year?? Hm...

The Peters issue was brewing last spring, and there was no indication he was demanding Jake Long money then.

[TacklingDummy]

The Peters issue was brewing last spring, and there was no indication he was demanding Jake Long money then.

3 YEARS LEFT ON HIS CONTRACT.

[im8th2buffalo]

He was being sarcastic, I think.

I hope so. I didn't think anyone could really blame him for that one. He is blamed for enough already.

[justasportsfan]

no he isn't. he played like crap last year, and for 11.5 million he has left a huge doubt about his commodity.... Holding the team hostage with a hold out also screams unknown commodity because in 2 -3 years he might feel the need to demand a new highest paid player contract and start the same crap over again. The fact he couldn't be bothered to show up for any workouts mandatory or voluntary also says he is a huge unkown commodity because he obvioulsy wasn't motivated enough to be in game shape while holding out.

Not having Peters on the roster is defintiely a step backwards, but I personally will never accept letting a player hold a team hostage and I will never accept a player demading to be th ehighest paid player at his position without displaying loyalty to the team 1st
He had a bad year but at least in 07 you can argue that he was one of the best Lt's in this league. It's not like 07 is that far away that he can't get back to form.

Anyone else on this team played well enough in their career to say he's at least one of the best at his position?

Evans is not even worth 9(?) million that we're paying him if you want to base it on his nos. compared to other wrs in this league.

How much is TJ making and then compare his nos to Lee. How about TO?

At this point he isn't holding the team hostage. If he doesn't show up at mandatory workouts then thats a different story.

[X-Era]

If it comes to it let him play the next 2 years at his current contract then franchise him.

Good call, at least that way, we wont pay him 11 mill per year... ohh wait.

Do any of you know for a fact that Peters side didnt counter offer with less? Do we know, for a fact, that its all Peters side that playing hardball?

[psubills62]

The Peters issue was brewing last spring, and there was no indication he was demanding Jake Long money then.

There was no indication of ANYTHING back then. But his actual holdout (of mandatory camps) happened after Long's contract was signed. You really think he wasn't thinking anything of Long's contract by training camp? You really think he would have been happy with any less than he's demanding now?

[psubills62]

He had a bad year but at least in 07 you can argue that he was one of the best Lt's in this league. It's not like 07 is that far away that he can't get back to form.

Anyone else on this team played well enough in their career to say he's at least one of the best at his position?

Evans is not even worth 9(?) million that we're paying him if you want to base it on his nos. compared to other wrs in this league.

How much is TJ making and then compare his nos to Lee. How about TO?

At this point he isn't holding the team hostage. If he doesn't show up at mandatory workouts then thats a different story.

I love how people can blame the sack numbers on the QB's, but when it comes to the numbers for Evans, he's "obviously not even close to being worth the money."

If Evans played with Peyton Manning, I'd bet he'd put up numbers that are about as good as Reggie Wayne.

[justasportsfan]

There was no indication of ANYTHING back then. But his actual holdout (of mandatory camps) happened after Long's contract was signed. You really think he wasn't thinking anything of Long's contract by training camp? You really think he would have been happy with any less than he's demanding now?
it was his fault for not keeping in contact.

I think he would've been happy with less than what he's demanding. It was the fins paying a rookie 11.5 million that most likely changed his mind.

[Philagape]

There was no indication of ANYTHING back then. But his actual holdout (of mandatory camps) happened after Long's contract was signed. You really think he wasn't thinking anything of Long's contract by training camp? You really think he would have been happy with any less than he's demanding now?

If he had wanted Jake Long money then, it would have come out. By every indication, the price has gone up.
I don't think Long "counted" then because he was just drafted, but now that he's been in the league, and has gone to the Pro Bowl, his deal "counts." Strange logic, but then, nothing about this whole issue makes much sense.

[X-Era]

There was no indication of ANYTHING back then. But his actual holdout (of mandatory camps) happened after Long's contract was signed. You really think he wasn't thinking anything of Long's contract by training camp? You really think he would have been happy with any less than he's demanding now?

What I know is that Russ told everyone at his presser that he had had NO dialogue with Peters agent. NONE.

The Bills were just fine with Peters playing as our 3rd highest paid OLmen... just fine with that.

Thats all history, whats real is now. And right now, our best OLmen (an area that we suffered at for many many years) wants to be paid like what he is, a franchise, 2 time pro-bowl LT, and we are far apart.

Well, at least the Bills have shown us that they want to get better talent and are willing to put their money where their mouth is... :doh:

Sorry, I will blame Peters for his antics last year and for not showing up... but I blame the Bills, fully, for not fixing this mess before it started.

We wont ever know who offered what most likely. But I dont think for a second the Bills are offering top 5 or even 10 LT money to him... and Im not convinced they have any intention of EVER going that high.

[justasportsfan]

I love how people can blame the sack numbers on the QB's, but when it comes to the numbers for Evans, he's "obviously not even close to being worth the money."

If Evans played with Peyton Manning, I'd bet he'd put up numbers that are about as good as Reggie Wayne.


where does it state that I'm blaming anyone? I'm merely pointing out where one has proven something (peters) and not getting paid for it while one (evans) hasn't proven to earn what he's getting paid for compared to other players at his position.

FYI I don't have a problem with what we paid to keep Lee but I do have a problem with this FO's screw up like what we paid dockery , Kelsay and Schobel which is why I don't have a problem paying Peters.

[X-Era]

One more thing on this... Allen Wilson is a harsh critic, pot stirrer, and has never impressed me. I think its interesting that this "story" says LAST WEEK.

Is this actually a new story? I mean it was only a few weeks ago that the initial comment came out about them being far apart.

How much time elapsed between that comment and this new comment? A week? maybe? Is anyone really suprised that, in the offseason, when hes already under contract for the next two years, and were months away from even training camp beginning, that it may take more than one week or two to close the gap?

Hell, how long did it take to get Lee's deal done? 6 months?

[TacklingDummy]

Jake Long only has 4 years left on his contract and has made the Pro-Bowl. It's time for Jake to holdout and demand a new contract.

[psubills62]

If he had wanted Jake Long money then, it would have come out. By every indication, the price has gone up.
I don't think Long "counted" then because he was just drafted, but now that he's been in the league, and has gone to the Pro Bowl, his deal "counts." Strange logic, but then, nothing about this whole issue makes much sense.

Haha I doubt it. Nothing came out from Peters' side, nothing. No one knew how much money he wanted. I don't see any indications that the price has gone up, all I see is that Peters has publicly stated what his price is.

[psubills62]

What I know is that Russ told everyone at his presser that he had had NO dialogue with Peters agent. NONE.

The Bills were just fine with Peters playing as our 3rd highest paid OLmen... just fine with that.

Thats all history, whats real is now. And right now, our best OLmen (an area that we suffered at for many many years) wants to be paid like what he is, a franchise, 2 time pro-bowl LT, and we are far apart.

Well, at least the Bills have shown us that they want to get better talent and are willing to put their money where their mouth is... :doh:

Sorry, I will blame Peters for his antics last year and for not showing up... but I blame the Bills, fully, for not fixing this mess before it started.

We wont ever know who offered what most likely. But I dont think for a second the Bills are offering top 5 or even 10 LT money to him... and Im not convinced they have any intention of EVER going that high.

Um, that's because Peters was under contract for 3 more years. On the Bills end, there was no problem. It's not their responsibility to go to every player that they think overplayed their contract and see if they want a raise.

I think the fact that Brandon didn't have any dialogue with Peters' side is much, much more a condemnation of Peters and his agent. If they wanted a raise, they needed to say something, anything.

It's just amazing to me how people believe it's the Bills fault because they "should have fixed it before it started." Really? Like they didn't have anyone else they wanted to focus on first, like Evans?

[X-Era]

Jake Long only has 4 years left on his contract and has made the Pro-Bowl. It's time for Jake to holdout and demand a new contract.

Nope, Jakes all set, hes getting top 5 money.

Now if he was the 3rd highest paid OL on his team than yes, he should want a new contract.

[X-Era]

Um, that's because Peters was under contract for 3 more years. On the Bills end, there was no problem. It's not their responsibility to go to every player that they think overplayed their contract and see if they want a raise.

I think the fact that Brandon didn't have any dialogue with Peters' side is much, much more a condemnation of Peters and his agent. If they wanted a raise, they needed to say something, anything.

It's just amazing to me how people believe it's the Bills fault because they "should have fixed it before it started." Really? Like they didn't have anyone else they wanted to focus on first, like Evans?

Peters and his agent didn't say anything? Link?

And yes, I do expect management to manage the contracts of their players... They probably would have no problem letting him or anyone else know that they need a pay cut due to the player underplaying his contract... Actually we stink at that part too, see Kelsay.

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize you have a problem that may need fixing when your third highest paid O-linemen is your ONLY pro-bowler.

[Philagape]

Haha I doubt it. Nothing came out from Peters' side, nothing. No one knew how much money he wanted. I don't see any indications that the price has gone up, all I see is that Peters has publicly stated what his price is.

Publicly?

It’s believed Peters wants to be the highest-paid left tackle in the NFL. Neither the Bills nor Peters’ agent, Eugene Parker, are commenting on negotiations. However, a source familiar with talks said Peters’ first offer was in excess of the $11.5 million-a-year deal signed by Miami’s Jake Long, who was the first pick in the draft last year. Long’s deal was for five years and $57.5 million.
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/606369.html

But it is believed he wants to be the highest-paid left tackle in the NFL, exceeding the $11• million per-year deal signed by Carolina's Jordan Gross in February.
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/624261.html

Those are leaks, not public announcements. That's why I say it would have come out, because that's what happened this year.

[psubills62]

Publicly?

It’s believed Peters wants to be the highest-paid left tackle in the NFL. Neither the Bills nor Peters’ agent, Eugene Parker, are commenting on negotiations. However, a source familiar with talks said Peters’ first offer was in excess of the $11.5 million-a-year deal signed by Miami’s Jake Long, who was the first pick in the draft last year. Long’s deal was for five years and $57.5 million.
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/606369.html

But it is believed he wants to be the highest-paid left tackle in the NFL, exceeding the $11• million per-year deal signed by Carolina's Jordan Gross in February.
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/624261.html

Those are leaks, not public announcements. That's why I say it would have come out, because that's what happened this year.

There were no leaks because there was no communication. It took a few months until people were 99% sure that he wasn't showing up due to money and not other problems or something.

So I was wrong, he didn't say it publicly. I still see zero indication that he would have taken less money last year. There were no leaks saying that he would have been happy with 7-8 million per year last year either. So the fact that there weren't leaks last year doesn't prove anything for either of us.

[psubills62]

Peters and his agent didn't say anything? Link?

And yes, I do expect management to manage the contracts of their players... They probably would have no problem letting him or anyone else know that they need a pay cut due to the player underplaying his contract... Actually we stink at that part too, see Kelsay.

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize you have a problem that may need fixing when your third highest paid O-linemen is your ONLY pro-bowler.

Haha, you can't be serious. Whether you trust him or not, Brandon said several times that they had not heard anything from Peters last year. I really shouldn't need to do this, but here's an article:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80a2c3ed&template=with-video&confirm=true
"Peters hasn't commented publicly, and Brandon has said he hasn't spoken personally with the player since mid-January."


Why did they need to manage his contract? From their point of view, it's a good deal. Maybe they should talk to Steve Johnson's agent this year to avoid a holdout this offseason? After all, he did outperform his contract. See how stupid that would be, for them to feel obligated to go to everyone that has outperformed their contract and try to make them happy?

I could be wrong, but I thought Lynch made the Pro Bowl. So saying he's our only Pro-Bowler is a little false, not to mention the implication that he actually deserved that Pro Bowl.

[X-Era]

Haha, you can't be serious. Whether you trust him or not, Brandon said several times that they had not heard anything from Peters last year. I really shouldn't need to do this, but here's an article:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80a2c3ed&template=with-video&confirm=true
"Peters hasn't commented publicly, and Brandon has said he hasn't spoken personally with the player since mid-January."


Why did they need to manage his contract? From their point of view, it's a good deal. Maybe they should talk to Steve Johnson's agent this year to avoid a holdout this offseason? After all, he did outperform his contract. See how stupid that would be, for them to feel obligated to go to everyone that has outperformed their contract and try to make them happy?

I could be wrong, but I thought Lynch made the Pro Bowl. So saying he's our only Pro-Bowler is a little false, not to mention the implication that he actually deserved that Pro Bowl.

Im talking about last year, and what I meant was Peters was are only pro-bowl OLmen... yet he was the 3rd highest paid. It was a disparity and everyone knew it.

If Steve Johnson earned a pro-bowl spot two years in a row on his low end rookie contract, he should be pushing for a new contract as well. That happens.

This is about Jason Peters. Hes underpaid and everyone knows it. Most think hes a top 10 LT in this league. If we truly want him as Brandon says we do, it will take top 10 LT money to get him.

Ive said all along 9-10 mill per will do it.

[Mahdi]

So, why then did Peters give up less sacks the year before? Did the QB get worst? And, how did the other lineman do in comparison to the previous year?
I'll tell you why... Trent got figured out.

Teams saw that all he did was throw short or mid routes. So they adjusted their strategy. Instead of blitzing him and allowing him to use his recognition skills to find the open guy .... they decided to send only 4 and drop the rest and make him find targets in tight areas. Trent didn't like what he was seeing and took forever to make his reads and many times last year it resulted in a sack.

The Cleveland game is a perfect example of that.

And JP, well, was JP. The question mark Gannon telestrated over his head was explanation enough.

As for the rest of the line. Butler and Walker held their own. Dockery was bad.

[psubills62]

Im talking about last year, and what I meant was Peters was are only pro-bowl OLmen... yet he was the 3rd highest paid. It was a disparity and everyone knew it.

If Steve Johnson earned a pro-bowl spot two years in a row on his low end rookie contract, he should be pushing for a new contract as well. That happens.

This is about Jason Peters. Hes underpaid and everyone knows it. Most think hes a top 10 LT in this league. If we truly want him as Brandon says we do, it will take top 10 LT money to get him.

Ive said all along 9-10 mill per will do it.

Yes it was, but there's a reason he was the 3rd highest paid. Because he wasn't on the market! Dockery and Walker were.

So now you're back-tracking. They only need to re-work the contracts of players that make the Pro-Bowl? I thought we were talking about players who outperform their contracts, which Steve Johnson did.

The problem is, Peters isn't just demanding top 10 LT money, he's demanding TOP LT money. There's a huge difference. The deal that's rumored to be on the table from the Bills (~8.5 million per year) IS top 10 LT money.

[Tatonka]

LT-Walker ( not proven to handle that position 1 entire year)
RG- Rookie
Center- Hangartner - unproven center
RG- Bell-unproven
RT - Chambers (a back up at RT)

or grab an LT in the draft and Walker stays at RT and Chambers moves to LG.

With that, lets make this unproven OL face the 3-4 D's in the AFCE that I'm sure is gonna be better than what they we last year.

UNproven OL + unproven Qb + unproven coaches = ???

why would you remove our starting right guard, Butler???

[Tatonka]

When you trade Peters you have to replace him through the draft with a high pick so its not going to get us anything extra. The first rounder we get from Philly presumably will be used on Oher or Smith.

Only difference is now we are dealing with an unknown commodity.

we should get both of philly's firsts.

so we should net a top tier LT and probably a top tier guard.

sounds like a win to me.

especially considering that ALL rookie LTs that played last year were better than peters. every one of them.

[acehole]

I had philly as the best fit before this artical came out.They have an extra pick they need a LT...but moreover they have a system with some plays that take forever to develope with an aging QB who need protection. They have the cash and they want to make a run this year. We are a younger team who has to rebuild our line anyway...who plays are now designed to get rid of the ball quick...somtimes before the snap....we dont need to tie up that much resource in one position. He is really a great player but it doesnt look like he will sign with us...so why not get a few picks and move on. The first...first rounder and a 3rd will do it for me.




He had a bad year but at least in 07 you can argue that he was one of the best Lt's in this league. It's not like 07 is that far away that he can't get back to form.

Anyone else on this team played well enough in their career to say he's at least one of the best at his position?

Evans is not even worth 9(?) million that we're paying him if you want to base it on his nos. compared to other wrs in this league.

How much is TJ making and then compare his nos to Lee. How about TO?

At this point he isn't holding the team hostage. If he doesn't show up at mandatory workouts then thats a different story.

[Tatonka]

so peters wants 1 million per sack given up. sounds fair.

based on last years performance, peters ****ed himself. sorry. it is his fat lazy ass's fault.

the bills should let him play for what he is currently signed for because that is all he earned last year. he is actually being overpaid for the quality of player he was last year.

he can go **** himself and play on the current deal for 2 more years, or his agent can go work a trade that gets us 2 first rounders.

[justasportsfan]

especially considering that ALL rookie LTs that played last year were better than peters. every one of them.

for other teams. Not this one. BTW, all other rookie qb's also played better than Trent. Should we draft a qb?

[WeAreArthurMoates]

for other teams. Not this one. BTW, all other rookie qb's also played better than Trent. Should we draft a qb?

No because Trents not acting like a douche by holding out and not even negotating. I want Peters to stay here but it's clear. He doesn't like Buffalo and will only stay here if he's overpaid. The only person who should receive that kinda of do is a franchise qb thats it.

[ddaryl]

for other teams. Not this one. BTW, all other rookie qb's also played better than Trent. Should we draft a qb?

really ? I guess we could squeeze out that argument.... if we really want to split hairs...


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[justasportsfan]

No because Trents not acting like a douche by holding out and not even negotating. I want Peters to stay here but it's clear. He doesn't like Buffalo and will only stay here if he's overpaid. The only person who should receive that kinda of do is a franchise qb thats it.
he can't hold out because he hasn't proven a thing. Wait till he becomes a probowler and pay him way below average and see what he'll do.

[justasportsfan]

really ? I guess we could squeeze out that argument.... if we really want to split hairs...


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I dont know what those nos. are but I only have to see how far both Flacco and Ryan took their teams in their rookie as compared to Trent. Once again I am not blaming Trent for his failure but there is no indication either that he's any better than any of them in the meantime Peters has been one of the best LT's out there.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

he can't hold out because he hasn't proven a thing. Wait till he becomes a probowler and pay him way below average and see what he'll do.

Well if he does prove something but actually shows up to work then we will. Just like we did with Lee and Schobel. This is Peters fault not the Bills, I've backed Jason up until this point. To not even negotiate is just assine. It takes to sides to tango.

[justasportsfan]

Well if he does prove something but actually shows up to work then we will. Just like we did with Lee and Schobel. This is Peters fault not the Bills, I've backed Jason up until this point. To not even negotiate is just assine. It takes to sides to tango.
No both sides. I've stated several times already that they created this monster by slapping him the face by paying the wrong people and creating all this mess. Now Peters is pouncing on our desperation. If we got rid of Jauron and brought in a proven coach then I say start from scratch. But instead we decided to stick with this staff and subtraction is better than addition in this situation. Dick is desperate to win games and Peters knows this.

Dick wouldn't be so desperate to begin with if he stopped picking stupid OC's and staying loyal to them.

[X-Era]

Yes it was, but there's a reason he was the 3rd highest paid. Because he wasn't on the market! Dockery and Walker were.

So now you're back-tracking. They only need to re-work the contracts of players that make the Pro-Bowl? I thought we were talking about players who outperform their contracts, which Steve Johnson did.

The problem is, Peters isn't just demanding top 10 LT money, he's demanding TOP LT money. There's a huge difference. The deal that's rumored to be on the table from the Bills (~8.5 million per year) IS top 10 LT money.

Zero backtracking... Its perfectly clear, if you are the 3rd highest paid OL but the only pro-bowl OL, you need a raise... just that easy.

Theres is no comparison between Steve Johnson and Jason Peters... none. Give that one up.

It is RUMORED that he wants top LT money. thats a rumor.
Russ has not said that, Peters agent has not said that, Peters has not said that. Pay close attention to the words "it is believed"... believed by whom? people who love to stir the pot? The media who makes money when they make a story bigger?

I stand by my comment that 9-10 mill per gets it done. We cut Dockery, so really we could spend that 7 mill back on Peters right? :rolleyes: We both know the Bills werent thinking that way.

[acehole]

Uhh why cant we blame trent for his failure again?
We had fools a few years ago blaming JP for the
run defense...certainly we can hold trent accoutable
for completions....and don't forget the all important
stat of wins. Get it right Justa...when we win its trents
win and when we lose isnt his fault. Bottom line is Trent
doent need anything to suceed is what we learned from
the football gurus on this board....Peters not withstanding.



I dont know what those nos. are but I only have to see how far both Flacco and Ryan took their teams in their rookie as compared to Trent. Once again I am not blaming Trent for his failure but there is no indication either that he's any better than any of them in the meantime Peters has been one of the best LT's out there.

[justasportsfan]

Uhh why cant we blame trent for his failure again?
We had fools a few years ago blaming JP for the
run defense...certainly we can hold trent accoutable
for completions....and don't forget the all important
stat of wins. Get it right Justa...when we win its trents
win and when we lose isnt his fault. Bottom line is Trent
doent need anything to suceed is what we learned from
the football gurus on this board....Peters not withstanding.


Just like JP, Trents gets the benefit of the doubt because our coaches blow.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

No both sides. I've stated several times already that they created this monster by slapping him the face by paying the wrong people and creating all this mess. Now Peters is pouncing on our desperation. If we got rid of Jauron and brought in a proven coach then I say start from scratch. But instead we decided to stick with this staff and subtraction is better than addition in this situation. Dick is desperate to win games and Peters knows this

Ya offering 8.5 mil is a huge slap in the face. I want to get this deal done but you cant throw a ridiculous number at the Bills, then by a stubborn baby about it. You have to give a little, and Peters is not doing that.