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sauce
04-15-2009, 05:57 PM
Well here is the mock...Let me know what you think


1. Detroit Lions: Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia

Alot of talk here about Jason Smith but look at Atlanta last season, the Falcons talked about Glenn Dorsey at 3 but eventually took Matt Ryan once they stepped back and realized their QB's were Redman and Harrington. Detroit will do the same. Plus their is better value for OT's at pick 20 opposed to QB's.

2. St. Louis Rams: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor

Can't go wrong with Monroe or Smith but Smith has the greater potential

3. Kansas City Chiefs: Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest

They also have a need at OT but with Curry's stock and measureables as high as they are Pioli will not be able to pass up on him. Remember Pioli took Mayo in NE.

4. Seattle Seahawks: Eugene Monroe, OT, Virgina

Debated taking Crabtee with this selection but Seattle has alot of money tied up at WR. Seattle gets more value with Monroe

5. Cleveland Browns: Micheal Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech

The consensus pick here seems to be Orakpo but I don't think he has the pass coverage skills to drop back into coverage in the Browns 3-4 defense. We all know with Stallworhs legal troubles he will not see the field, factor in the loss of Winslow Jr and the Edwards trade rumors and Crabtree is the logical choice.

6. Cincinatti Bengals: Andre Smith, OT, Alabama

The Bengals have glaring needs on the OL and select the once though of top 3 pick in the draft. Smith has question marks but the game film dosn't lie to a desperate Marvin Lewis

7. Oakland Raiders: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas

Al will be happy this workout wonder falls to him because it fills a need and fills his obsession with athleticism. Raji was a consideration but is not flashy enough for Al.

8. Jacksonville Jaguars, Jeremy Maclin, WR, Miss

I hate the idea of having 2 WR's in the top 10 because of the dropoff in WR's from last years draft, but Maclin really lucks out here because the Jags may have the worst WR core in some time.

9. Green Bay Packers, B.J. Raji, DT, BC

Green Bay gets a steal here as they address need and get the best player available. Pickett is their nose but dosnt have experience in a 3-4.

10. San Francisco 49ers: Mark Sanchez, QB, USC

Toyed with the idea of a DE here but we all know the saying new regime means a new QB...Sanchez's stock is soaring right now.

11. Buffalo Bills: Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss

As much as I hate the idea of Dennasley rushing the QB I just do not think there is great value at DE at pick 11 to stop in and contribute right away. I think a healthy return of Schobel as well as a bulked up Chris Ellis and a 2nd/3rd round DE as Well as Denney should be enough. Look for Oher to step in and contribute at LG which scouts say may be his natural and best position (he played on the interior of the OL as a freshman). Oher has great athleticism and strength and could serve as insurance at LT if Jason Peters goes awol.

12. Denver Broncos: Everette Brown, DE, FSU

The Broncos need pass rush help and with Sanchez off the baord Brown stops in as a 3-4 OLB.

13. Washington Redskins: William Beatty, OT, uconn

The skins desperatly need a OT and the run on OL has offically begun. The NFL is all about trends and although Beatty may be a reach look at how many OT's produced in last season's draft.

14. New Orleans Saints: Aaron Maybin, DE, PSU

Maybin stops in as a situational pass rusher for Gregg Williams attacking defensive style.

15. Houston Texans: Brian Cushing, OLB, USC

Tough, versatile OLB who stops in and fills a need for the Texans defense which adds another playmaker.

16. San Diego Chargers: Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU

Jackson is a perfect fit for the Chargers 3-4 scheme. Although he isn't an elite pass rusher he is very stout against the run.

17. New York Jets: Darrius Heyward Bey, WR, Maryland

The Jets fill the void left by Coles and get a nice combo of size and Speed in Bey. Harvin is also an option here but with his character and durability issues Heyward Bey is the logical option.

18. Denver Broncos: Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC

Denver address a weak defense once again and lands a starting ILB in Maualuga who is big and tough but I believe over prusits too much and takes himself out of plays.

19. Tampa Bay Buccaners: Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State

Do you really think Leftwich is going to be their starter? I dont Leftwich is back up material and Freeman cashes in on Sanchez's rising stock.

20. Detroit Lions: Eben Britton, OT, Arizona

The Lions follow the mold of ATL get your franchise QB and then protect him. Although knowing the Lions it will somehow backfire.

21. Philadelphia Eagles: Chris Wells, RB, OSU

Wells stops in as a big brusing change of pace back who will be mentored by Westbrook and take over as the eventual starter. I recently heard Westbrook in an interview on moving the chains and when he was asked how he would take to a RB being drafted his response was: "He would accept it with open arm's I cant run for ever"

22. Minnesota Vikings: Peria Jerry, DT< Ole Miss

The williams are getting up in age and the Vikes select Jerry who is an ideal fit in a 4-3 d with quickness and strength. Jerry will also benefit getting a yr. to get his body in ideal NFL condition. Scouts say he could use a yr. in the weight room.

23. New England Patriots: Clay Matthews, OLB, USC

Hard worker will thrive in Bellicheck's system and fills a need for the Pats...He went from walk on to possible first rounder. Sounds like he will fit the pats mold perfectly.

24. Atlanta Falcons: Brandon Pettigrew, TE, OK st.

ATL gets great value here and could have a lethal offense with the addition of Pettigrew who will help Matt Ryan and my boy Roddy White.

25. Miami Dolphins: Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois

Some character question marks but with 110 arrests of DB's since 2000 more than any other position who cares? its a crap shoot anyways. Davis is a playmaker

26. Baltimore Ravens: Percy Harvin, WR, UF

The Ravens add a playmaker for a young QB. Plus Mason is 48 yrs old and Harvin is a top 15 talent.

27. Indianapolis Colts: James Laurinatis, ILB, OSU

Laurinaitis is a wild card and would have been better off doing what I always say "take the guaranteed 1st round money" Are you listening Taylor Mays? Colts get an instinctive LB here.

28. Philadelphia Eagles: Robert Ayers, DE, Tenn

I'm not very high on Ayers but Mike Mayock is. I'm a student who makes an hourly wage, Mayock is on salary from NFL Network. Enough said Eagles fill a void and get a steal here.

29. New York Giants: Clint Sintim, OLB, Virgina

Other possible selection WR Kenny Britt

30. Tennessee Titans: Darius Butler, CB, Uconn

Nick Harper is 35 and Carr is gone so they lack depth. Butler has elite speed and can serve as a return man to replace carr in that facet as well

31. Arizona Cardinals: Knowshon Moreno, RB, UGA

Great Value at 31.

32. Pittsburgh Steelers: Alex Mack, C, Cal



Bills draft:

Round 1 pick 11: OT Micheal Oher: Ole Miss

Round 2 pick 42: DT Evander "Ziggy" Hood: Missou

Round 3 pick 75: DE Laurence Sidbury Jr.: Richmond

Round 4 pick 110: TE Cornelius Ingram: UF

Round 5 pick 147: OLB Zack Follett: Cal

Round 6 pick 183: SS Otis Wiley: Michigan St

Round 7 Pick 220: RB Javarris Williams: Tenn. St.


BTW I know my spelling is sub par

SquishDaFish
04-15-2009, 06:00 PM
Dont like it

sauce
04-15-2009, 06:06 PM
Dont like it

The Bills draft or the first round itself?

Dantheman1280
04-15-2009, 06:07 PM
I would be ok with this draft, I like the first 3 rounds, hate the 4th round pick and don't know much about any of the other guys...

gardner119
04-15-2009, 06:14 PM
Dont like it. Scared a bit on rumors of Oher's laziness & on-off personality, too early for DT unless Radj was there @ 11.

The Spaz
04-15-2009, 06:18 PM
I like it for the most part. If Ingram is healthy that's a very good receiving TE.

Kenny
04-15-2009, 06:49 PM
unfortunately if the Peters situation doesnt fix itself soon, I think might have to go after Oher.

Luisito23
04-15-2009, 07:05 PM
The Bills draft or the first round itself?


Bills draft.

DrGraves
04-15-2009, 08:36 PM
man if orakpo drops anywhere near number 11 we gotta trade up

sauce
04-15-2009, 09:03 PM
man if orakpo drops anywhere near number 11 we gotta trade up

You would be giving up alot for Orakpo and after Gholston's struggles last season that would be a big gamble

HHURRICANE
04-15-2009, 09:14 PM
man if orakpo drops anywhere near number 11 we gotta trade up

I totally agree! Orakpo and Curry are sure as you can get on the D.

I like Oher as a pick if we go o-line but I think our D really needs some help.

m1orenz
04-15-2009, 09:16 PM
You would be giving up alot for Orakpo and after Gholston's struggles last season that would be a big gamble

how is your grandmudda

The Spaz
04-15-2009, 10:22 PM
how is your grandmudda

What?

kid mickey
04-16-2009, 01:56 AM
I don't like this draft at all. You want to draft a guy to play guard at 11 are you serious? Then you go with a DT in round two. WTF is this? You don't address the TE position until round 4(This is ok, but I'd rather get a guy with more production) and OLB until round 5. I don't like your ideas at all. I am glad you are not running the Bills draft. If the Bills did anything remotely like this I would wanna break my effing T.V. You are really disregarding what the Bills need as far as difference makers. TE is a high need. OLB is a high need. DE is a high need. Guard is high need, but not at 11. DT is a minimal need. I would draft a effing SS before I got a DT. If Peters isn't going anywhere you draft a position of need at 11 not a luxury or reach. You seem to be putting luxury/reach picks before need picks. Who the eff does that? Terrible draft. See my sig for a real one.

Ingtar33
04-16-2009, 07:37 AM
the Bills Draft needs from what i've seen.

1) DE
2) OL (inside of the line)
3) DT
4) Safety
5) OLB
6) TE/WR

Of course i've always been in favor of building the best lines possible, and then fill out the team around it. So my draft priorities are different then some people's


frankly their needs at the O-line, i think they think they've handled... if that's the case you can scratch o-line off the list. I don't agree, but then im not in their war room. if i was to guess what they think they need based on FA it would go like this...


1) Safety
2) TE
3) OLB
4) DT/DE
5) RB
6) OL (this might go up based on where the Peters situation goes)

BigGabes23
04-16-2009, 07:55 AM
Yeah..... 'A' for effeort but this kinda just looks like a combination of Internet Mock Drafts. The Bills #1 need is playmakers on Defense. The two on the board are likely E. Brown and A Maybin. I would be happy with either.

You do lose a lot of credibility with having the Titans take a running back at 30 (They have two!) as well as the eagles taking Bennie Wells, as they have said pubically they are not going to take him. Orakpo to the Raiders will also never happen, and the Washington pick makes no sense with all of the pass rushers on the board.

ddaryl
04-16-2009, 08:30 AM
Yeah..... 'A' for effeort but this kinda just looks like a combination of Internet Mock Drafts. The Bills #1 need is playmakers on Defense. The two on the board are likely E. Brown and A Maybin. I would be happy with either.

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I disagree. OL is by far our biggest need.

We have a malcontent LT no LG and a unkown at C, combined with a serious depth issue.

I agree pass rush DE and OLB are huge needs, but they aren't as big as our OL needs

ddaryl
04-16-2009, 08:32 AM
I don't like this draft at all. You want to draft a guy to play guard at 11 are you serious? .

You draft Oher who can play LG but also gives a future T and huge upgrade at T depth. Not to mention how much it would benefit us to have Oher if we cannot reach an agreement with Peters

IMHO drafting Oher is one of the smartest moves this team can make. I would take Oher over any DE at #11 and over any LB besides Curry. Oher could become a probowl G.... Does anyone here really believe a future probowler at the G position is not worth the #11 pick... Plus his ablility to play T is just to good to pass up.

If we can come to terms with Peters and we had Peters Oher hargartner Butler Walker as an OL I would have a huge confidence in our running game or added confidence in trent being able to find the time to get the ball deep to TO and Evans

ddaryl
04-16-2009, 08:35 AM
I like Oher as a pick if we go o-line but I think our D really needs some help.



Our O couldn't put up enough points last year. That all starts on the OL. Peters or no Peters. gettoing us a big time versatile OL player like Oher would be huge iMO.

On th eother hand our D which wasn't fantastic held most teams in check on the scoreboard for most of the game. So even though we need more pass rush our team would benefit more by having a better OL and O. Especialy with Evans and Owens

ddaryl
04-16-2009, 08:36 AM
Has anyone noticed that I am on the Oher bandwagon... I didn't think so LOL !!!

BigGabes23
04-16-2009, 08:37 AM
Oher is a huge reach at 11. Just becasue he is the next OL on the list doesn't mean he is close to the talent of the top three linemen in this draft. Even if you trade Peters you can get the same tallent level of Oher at 21.

I Also beleive that the Bills beleive if Peters is signed their O-Line is complete. They will draft Linemen in the later rounds for depth.

ddaryl
04-16-2009, 08:45 AM
Oher is a huge reach at 11. Just becasue he is the next OL on the list doesn't mean he is close to the talent of the top three linemen in this draft. Even if you trade Peters you can get the same tallent level of Oher at 21.

I Also beleive that the Bills beleive if Peters is signed their O-Line is complete. They will draft Linemen in the later rounds for depth.


Oher is very highly rated and he is very very much rated pretty damn close to the other top 3 OL in this draft.

Go do some research. Many said in his junior year that Oher would be the #1 over all pick. just like many thought A. Smith would be the best OT in this draft. The top 4 OL are all rated very high, and all are worth being picked @11 by the bills.


I do agree that if we sign Peters before the draft we wait until the later rounds.... But If we don't Oher makes a lot of sense. Heck IMHO even if we do sign Peters I think Oher is still a rock solid pick at #11. A great value for th eBils at #11.

Lone Stranger
04-16-2009, 09:56 AM
I think you've done a fine job. Let's hope it comes true. I have been imploring the Bills to beef up their lines. This is a good start.

sauce
04-16-2009, 10:41 AM
You draft Oher who can play LG but also gives a future T and huge upgrade at T depth. Not to mention how much it would benefit us to have Oher if we cannot reach an agreement with Peters

IMHO drafting Oher is one of the smartest moves this team can make. I would take Oher over any DE at #11 and over any LB besides Curry. Oher could become a probowl G.... Does anyone here really believe a future probowler at the G position is not worth the #11 pick... Plus his ablility to play T is just to good to pass up.

If we can come to terms with Peters and we had Peters Oher hargartner Butler Walker as an OL I would have a huge confidence in our running game or added confidence in trent being able to find the time to get the ball deep to TO and Evans

Good post Thank you...Its about time the FO adresses the OLINE!!!

Some fans still dont know the games are won and lost in the trenches

sauce
04-16-2009, 10:43 AM
Oher is a huge reach at 11. Just becasue he is the next OL on the list doesn't mean he is close to the talent of the top three linemen in this draft. Even if you trade Peters you can get the same tallent level of Oher at 21.

I Also beleive that the Bills beleive if Peters is signed their O-Line is complete. They will draft Linemen in the later rounds for depth.

A HUGE REACH??????

Like a previous poster pointed out please go do some research.....

The Bills will be lucky if Oher is even there at #11

kernowboy
04-16-2009, 11:12 AM
I think people are too concerned about LG and what we need to do is look at the DL. After all defences win Championships. Kelsay and Denney are average and Ellis has shown nothing. LB is also concern with Ellison still in place.

With the signing of Owens we have four decent WR plus Hardy coming back. How many people does Edwards need to throw to? I would think that with Fine on the roster, a TE who can block and provide some OL security would be a better bet. Too much value is placed on Peters. He is great when motivated but thats a big IF, and how many players have we seen become even lazier once they sign for big bucks?

I would look at this as a draft:

R1. Everette Brown DE
Having been a LE at Florida St he can be on the field with Schobel

R2. (Peters trade) James Laurititas LB
Can play on the outside and upgrades Ellison giving a great LB trio

R2. (ours) Jamon Meredith or Gerald Cadogan LT
LT of the future even if they sit their first season behind Walker

R3. A Q Shipley C
Intelligent and we need depth at center

R4. Karl Urbik RG
A road grader allowing Butler and Chambers to compete at RT

R5. Dan Gronkowksi TE
A blocker first but with nice hands when thrown to. I think we will look to draft his brother Rob, or Gresham in 2010 to replace Owens.

R6. Vaughn Martin DT
A 6ft3, 313lbs, at 5.04 who can sit behind Stroud and learn

R7. Jamall Lee RB
Another guy from north of the border but whats not to like about 4.39 at 225lbs. Can sit behind Lynch and Jackson as Omon did nothing

In terms of the Peters trade, I also anticipate a R2 in 2010. If its from a team like the Lions, then thats almost two R1 picks anyway for Peters. This selection in 2010, would allow us to move up for a QB if required, allow a best player available reception, plus let us draft a top TE to replace Owens as most TEs go around here - who'd say no to a Heath Miller/Greg Olsen type. I think we could easily get a Rob Gronkowski/Dennis Pitta type with a high R2 selection.

As for the reshaped OL

LT - Walker (but with Meredith/Cadogan in the wings)
LG - Bell or Hangartner or McKinney
C - Hangartner or McKinney (or Shipley if he surprises)
RG - Butler or Urbik
RT - Chambers or Butler

and we also have currently Denman and Scott on the roster who could surprise.

kid mickey
04-16-2009, 11:30 AM
I really think that if Peters is on board than picking Oher is a waste of a selection at 11. I understand that building your line is important, but if you pretty much have all the pieces in place already why would you draft a lineman for depth in the first round when bigger issues at DE and OLB exist. To me that makes no sense. You can get a solid guard in round two. Why not address pieces of the puzzle that that are lacking. Like the sack department or getting better tackling from your linebacking position. Last I checked we gave up 23 sacks last year on Edwards. That is actually a pretty solid number. While we may have given more up when Losman was under center. The general idea is that we only got 24 sacks on the season and that is not an impressive number. We may have been ranked 14th defensively but I am more for making the defense better with a pass rush and sure tackling. Besides I would much rather keep addressing defense to get it into top 5 in the league so other teams can't score on us making Edwards job easier. All we really need right now is a LG and a TE on offense, and with guys like Max Unger and Alex Mack possibly being available in round two there is no point in getting a guard at 11, and guys like Chase Coffman probably being around in round four no point in getting a TE until then. I will not say guys like Oher and Pettigrew aren't first round talents because they are. I will say that unless Peters gets traded. Neither guy is a first round need.

Bert102176
04-16-2009, 12:23 PM
You would be giving up alot for Orakpo and after Gholston's struggles last season that would be a big gamble


it usually takes a year or two for a player to adjust to the NFL, sometimes 3 years

ddaryl
04-16-2009, 12:50 PM
I really think that if Peters is on board than picking Oher is a waste of a selection at 11. I understand that building your line is important, but if you pretty much have all the pieces in place already why would you draft a lineman for depth in the first round when bigger issues at DE and OLB exist. To me that makes no sense. .

We don't have all the pieces in place and we have a very large unkown for a LT as well as big hole at LG and major OL depth issues.

We have bodies, but we can easily justify taking Oher who can easily displace most of the OL alreayd on our roster.

To me OL is our biggest need...

Again if we sign peters before the draft we can wait till the 2nd rd for a G or C... But if we do not sign Peters before the draft then it owuld be wise for us to have another T on the roster that can either start at T or gives us big time depth at T while starting at G...


Where you rather depend upon hte D to keep the score down.. I'd rather depend on the O to run the score up. We have rock solid WR cpore, and RB core all we need is to beef up the OL. Our D actually did a decent job of keeping opponents score in check. An acception would be late in some games when we seem to break down on D... BUT having a cushion on the scoreboard and having our O on the field longer benefits the D greatly.


I've still not heard a argument against drafting Oher that comes close to changing my opion. But I do agree we have holes at DE and OLB that deserve attention at #11 just the same. However with many D players returning from injury it is the O that I fear will take a huge step backwards because of all the OL cuts we made and the Peters saga.

ddaryl
04-16-2009, 01:11 PM
Too much value is placed on Peters. He is great when motivated but thats a big IF, and how many players have we seen become even lazier once they sign for big bucks?

I would look at this as a draft:

R2. (Peters trade) James Laurititas LB
Can play on the outside and upgrades Ellison giving a great LB trio
In terms of the Peters trade, I also anticipate a R2 in 2010. If its from a team like the Lions, then thats almost two R1 picks anyway for Peters. This selection in 2010, would allow us to move up for a QB if required, allow a best player available reception, plus let us draft a top TE to replace Owens as most TEs go around here - who'd say no to a Heath Miller/Greg Olsen type. I think we could easily get a Rob Gronkowski/Dennis Pitta type with a high R2 selection.

As for the reshaped OL

LT - Walker (but with Meredith/Cadogan in the wings)
LG - Bell or Hangartner or McKinney
C - Hangartner or McKinney (or Shipley if he surprises)
RG - Butler or Urbik
RT - Chambers or Butler

and we also have currently Denman and Scott on the roster who could surprise.



:crazy: If round 2 picks is all we are offered for Peters then the Bills better not trade him... That would really piss me off...

and your revised OL makes me very ill :puke:but that is usually the way the Bills roll in regards to the OL so I guess I might as well get ready to :puke: