Root for Peters

[psubills62]

I understand the sentiments of the people who don't want Peters to succeed. But I think that we have good reason to root for Peters to 1) do well and play in a lot of games, and 2) to make the Pro Bowl.

My reasoning? As a Bills fan, it's fairly selfish. But maybe you remember that conditional 2010 pick. As far as I can tell, two of the only legitimate conditions for an offensive lineman would be playing time and making the Pro Bowl.

I even believe we should, as fans, vote for him to make the Pro Bowl. Because if he does, that may make the 2010 draft pick we receive that much better.

Maybe your principles will keep you from doing that, but I have no problem rooting for him to do well this year and make the Pro Bowl, hopefully giving us a better pick. After that, I could not care less what happens to him.

Also, I'd like to say that it really doesn't matter how many sacks he gave up anymore. He's gone, and at this point we should focus on the solution, not the past.

[kid mickey]

I like your thinking.

[FlyingDutchman]

id rather just see him tank so i can feel good about the picks we already got

[yordad]

Oh my. Before I do that (as if my rooting changes something) I would like to know how good the pick could become, and what those conditions are. I can't root for that slob for nothin'.

But, good thread.

[EricStratton]

I find it hard to root for or against an offensive lineman on a team I don't actually watch on a game by game basis.

Without watching most of the snaps how do you know if he plays well or if he plays poorly.

I prefer to just not care.

[kid mickey]

id rather just see him tank so i can feel good about the picks we already got

I'd rather see those picks play up to where they were picked and justify the selection. I don't like Peters, but I want him to do well so we can get a good pick in 2010. After 2009 he can bomb out for all I care.

[Romes]

Is it really a conditional pick? Do you have a link? I thought it was locked in as a 6th in 2010.

[kid mickey]

Its a 6th rd conditional pick. He plays well it could move up to a 3rd rounder for all we know.

[Romes]

Two news articles here that say nothing about a conditional pick...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gTtIl0szKTY1twnqnbELj0WARUuQD97LN44G0

http://www.buffalonews.com/452/story/642841.html?imw=Y

edit: 3rd news article saying nothing about the pick being conditional...

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/43216452.html

[psubills62]

Is it really a conditional pick? Do you have a link? I thought it was locked in as a 6th in 2010.

I think in Jay Glazer's first report, it was listed as a conditional 2010 pick, now it's mainly listed as a late-round pick. Chances are that it's conditional, but it's undisclosed for now. It's around the internet in various places.

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=Nfl&id=3061

See the entry under April 17, 1:29 p.m.

[yordad]

I think in Jay Glazer's first report, it was listed as a conditional 2010 pick, now it's mainly listed as a late-round pick. Chances are that it's conditional, but it's undisclosed for now. It's around the internet in various places.

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=Nfl&id=3061

See the entry under April 17, 1:29 p.m. "I don’t recall giving up that many. If they charged me with that many, so what? I’m an Eagle now. If I give up 11.5 sacks, I’m only human. I’m going to give 100% on every play."

LOL, it is like he thinks the Bills "charged" him with 11.5.

[Ickybaluky]

I haven't seen anything about it being a conditional pick.

I saw this (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-7-84/Peters-likes-what-he-s-hearing-from-Eagles.html):


The conditional pick for 2010 might be only a sixth-rounder. Probably not what Buffalo Bills fans wanted to hear, but the club's intention was to get first- and third-round picks for Peters. The Bills received a first, a fourth and next year's pick for an undrafted player they didn't invest much in besides time and money.

and this (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4077093):


For Peters, the Bills will receive a first-round pick (28th selection overall), a fourth-rounder in next weekend's draft and a sixth-round pick in 2010, according to a source.

and this (http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/642841.html):


The Bills obtained the second of the Eagles' two first-round selections (28th overall) and one of their two fourth-round selections. The Bills will also receive an additional pick in 2010, believed to be a sixth-rounder.

and this (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090418_The_Eagles_land_a_big_offensive_tackle.html):


In exchange for Peters, the Eagles gave Buffalo the 28th pick in the first round and their fourth-round selection (121st overall) in next weekend's draft. The Bills also will get a sixth-round pick in 2010.

and this (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090418_Eagles_-_Eagles_deal_to_get_former_Bills_Pro_Bowler_Peters.html):


The cost wasn't all that steep - three draft picks, including the second of the Eagles' two first-round selections (No. 28) in the April 25-26 draft, a fourth-round pick (No. 121) this year and what a club source labeled a "very late pick" in the 2010 draft.

and this (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Eagles_Land_A_Left_Tackle.html):


A club source confirmed that the Eagles have acquired Pro Bowl offensive tackle Jason Peters from the Buffalo Bills in exchange for the second of their two first-round picks (28th overall), a fourth-round pick and an undisclosed pick in next year’s draft.

[realdealryan]

I even believe we should, as fans, vote for him to make the Pro Bowl. Because if he does, that may make the 2010 draft pick we receive that much better.



As nice as this would be, there is no logic here.

If we're in agreement that the trigger would be a Pro Bowl appearance (since OT stats are hard to quantify), this makes ZERO sense. He was voted to the Pro Bowl after giving up 11.5 sacks in a small market on a 7-9 team. What would make the Eagles think that he wouldn't get voted there again? It's almost guaranteed.

[Mitchell55]

Walter said it was a conditional.NE39

[psubills62]

I haven't seen anything about it being a conditional pick.

I saw this (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-7-84/Peters-likes-what-he-s-hearing-from-Eagles.html):



and this (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4077093):



and this (http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/642841.html):



and this (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090418_The_Eagles_land_a_big_offensive_tackle.html):



and this (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090418_Eagles_-_Eagles_deal_to_get_former_Bills_Pro_Bowler_Peters.html):



and this (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Eagles_Land_A_Left_Tackle.html):

Well, it's pretty foolish to say you haven't seen "anything," when I just posted a link to an entry that mentions a conditional pick. Here's some more:

http://www.13wham.com/content/sports/local/story/Bills-Trade-Jason-Peters-to-Eagles/ISTzSC-kI0qd1bD1QkS19w.cspx

"Buffalo completed a trade Friday that sent Peters to Phildelphia, in exchange for the Eagles second first-round pick, 28th overall, and also Philadelphia's fourth round pick in the upcoming <NOBR id=itxt_nobr_1_0 style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 100%">NFLhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif</NOBR> (http://www.13wham.com/content/sports/local/story/Bills-Trade-Jason-Peters-to-Eagles/ISTzSC-kI0qd1bD1QkS19w.cspx#) draft. Buffalo will also receive a conditional selection from the Eagles in the 2010 draft."

http://www.scoresreport.com/tag/jason-peters-trade-rumors/

"According to a report by Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9466866/Sources:-Eagles-trade-for-Bills-Pro-Bowl-LT-Peters?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5), the Eagles have struck a deal with the Bills to acquire left tackle Jason Peters in exchange for the 28th overall pick and a fourth round pick in this year’s draft, as well as a conditional 2010 draft pick."

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-7-83/Source--Bills-receive-three-draft-picks-for-Peters.html

"An NFL source informs me the Bills have agreed to accept the Eagles' second first-round draft pick, 28th overall, and a fourth-round pick in this year's draft and a conditional pick in next year's draft in exchange for Peters."



It also seems foolish to get a late-round pick in 2010 (believed to be a sixth rounder) instead of a 7th rounder in 2009 if it's not conditional. There's almost no point.

While the links you posted didn't mention it being conditional, most of them were also saying that it was "assumed to be a sixth-rounder," meaning they had no clue. And even if it is a sixth rounder, since there are reports saying it's a conditional pick, why couldn't it be a conditional sixth-rounder?

[psubills62]

As nice as this would be, there is no logic here.

If we're in agreement that the trigger would be a Pro Bowl appearance (since OT stats are hard to quantify), this makes ZERO sense. He was voted to the Pro Bowl after giving up 11.5 sacks in a small market on a 7-9 team. What would make the Eagles think that he wouldn't get voted there again? It's almost guaranteed.

What do you mean there's no logic there? Just because the Eagles believe it's guaranteed doesn't mean it will happen. I also don't know what the competition is like in the NFC...it could be that he's considered one of the best AFC LT's, but maybe there's more competition to be a top NFC LT. There's no harm in trying to make it certain.

Not to mention that at the time of the Pro Bowl voting, I guarantee that no one knew how many sacks he had given up that year. It's in the middle of the season, that (even supposedly incorrect) stat wasn't out yet. It was almost all on name recognition. If players/coaches around the league look back now at what he did in 2008 after it got all this publicity, maybe his name recognition won't carry as much power next year.

There's logic there, even if you can't see it.

[EricStratton]

I would almost think he would be a long-shot at best in the NFC. OLineman seem to make the Pro Bowl either by blocking for the top back in the league or by being the incumbent or by playing for the Cowboys (it seems like they get 12 PB selections just by showing up)

The Eagles wont have a top 5 back and the tackles picked last year for the PB are all coming back. Even if Peters improves his chances are 50-50 at best.

[Oaf]

Those subsequent reports are likely based off of one another with the originating source stating, "The conditional pick for 2010 might be only a sixth-rounder"
A. Conditional pick
B. MIGHT be a 6th round pick (to start at)

Truth be told, we may not know till next year. I say it's a 5th. That's how it turned out in the Kelly/Spikes trade I believe.

[DynaPaul]

I don't really care how he does. If he works out then good for Philly, they got a player they needed that worked out. All I really care about at this point is that we use the draft picks we got wisely. Of course, when Peters eventually goes against Buffalo I'll be rooting against him but until then it's happy trails...

[Ickybaluky]

Well, it's pretty foolish to say you haven't seen "anything," when I just posted a link to an entry that mentions a conditional pick. Here's some more:

http://www.13wham.com/content/sports/local/story/Bills-Trade-Jason-Peters-to-Eagles/ISTzSC-kI0qd1bD1QkS19w.cspx

"Buffalo completed a trade Friday that sent Peters to Phildelphia, in exchange for the Eagles second first-round pick, 28th overall, and also Philadelphia's fourth round pick in the upcoming <NOBR id=itxt_nobr_1_0 style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 100%">NFLhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif</NOBR> (http://www.13wham.com/content/sports/local/story/Bills-Trade-Jason-Peters-to-Eagles/ISTzSC-kI0qd1bD1QkS19w.cspx#) draft. Buffalo will also receive a conditional selection from the Eagles in the 2010 draft."

http://www.scoresreport.com/tag/jason-peters-trade-rumors/

"According to a report by Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9466866/Sources:-Eagles-trade-for-Bills-Pro-Bowl-LT-Peters?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5), the Eagles have struck a deal with the Bills to acquire left tackle Jason Peters in exchange for the 28th overall pick and a fourth round pick in this year’s draft, as well as a conditional 2010 draft pick."

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-7-83/Source--Bills-receive-three-draft-picks-for-Peters.html

"An NFL source informs me the Bills have agreed to accept the Eagles' second first-round draft pick, 28th overall, and a fourth-round pick in this year's draft and a conditional pick in next year's draft in exchange for Peters."



It also seems foolish to get a late-round pick in 2010 (believed to be a sixth rounder) instead of a 7th rounder in 2009 if it's not conditional. There's almost no point.

While the links you posted didn't mention it being conditional, most of them were also saying that it was "assumed to be a sixth-rounder," meaning they had no clue. And even if it is a sixth rounder, since there are reports saying it's a conditional pick, why couldn't it be a conditional sixth-rounder?

Glazer is the only one who mentioned a conditional pick, which he did in his early report. He then corrected himself and changed it to "undisclosed". If you click on the link, you will find that it doesn't say anywhere in the article the pick is conditional.

One link you post is Tim Graham's initial report, which referenced Glazers report that there was a conditional pick. The link I posted from Graham was posted subsequent to that, which was him updating that the pick was a 6th. He is correcting himself because John Clayton and Paolantonio both reported it as a 6th.

You post a second link from something called "the scores report" which references the same report from Glazer.

Then you post something from 13Wham.com, whatever that is, which loosely uses the term "reportedly". Must have read Glazers initial report. At any rate, it is from yesterday morning. Reports from today don't mention any conditional pick.

The only real report was Glazers, and he later corrected himself. There have been a number of reports, beyond what I linked to, that is was either a 6th or a late-round pick in 2010 (depending on the report). No condition.

So let me correct myself. There are no "credible" reports of any conditional pick. There are many credible reports that it was a late round pick in 2010, probably a 6th.

[psubills62]

Glazer is the only one who mentioned a conditional pick, which he did in his early report. He then corrected himself and changed it to "undisclosed". If you click on the link, you will find that it doesn't say anywhere in the article the pick is conditional.

One link you post is Tim Graham's initial report, which referenced Glazers report that there was a conditional pick. The link I posted from Graham was posted subsequent to that, which was him updating that the pick was a 6th. He is correcting himself because John Clayton and Paolantonio both reported it as a 6th.

You post a second link from something called "the scores report" which references the same report from Glazer.

Then you post something from 13Wham.com, whatever that is, which loosely uses the term "reportedly". Must have read Glazers initial report. At any rate, it is from yesterday morning. Reports from today don't mention any conditional pick.

The only real report was Glazers, and he later corrected himself. There have been a number of reports, beyond what I linked to, that is was either a 6th or a late-round pick in 2010 (depending on the report). No condition.

So let me correct myself. There are no "credible" reports of any conditional pick. There are many credible reports that it was a late round pick in 2010, probably a 6th.

Yes, the first two reports did reference Glazer's report. But first of all, the fact that he changed it from "conditional" to "undisclosed" doesn't mean a whole lot, except that it's just not being released yet. I have a hard time believing that Glazer wouldn't list it if he knew which pick it would actually be.

I could be wrong, but I see nowhere in my link to Tim Graham where he directly references Glazer. Graham specifically says:

"An NFL source informs me..."

Maybe I'm mistaken here, but I don't think Glazer counts as an NFL source. If he does, I'd have to imagine that Graham would name him. Graham does later say that "The conditional pick for 2010 might be only a sixth-rounder." (emphasis added).

Are the chances there that it's just a sixth rounder? Very likely. In that case, this thread is shot to hell. But the language of your links haven't convinced me that it's not conditional. Because last I knew, "undisclosed" didn't mean "unconditional."

[Ickybaluky]

Here is the Eagles website (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?STORY_ID=17670) on the compensation:


In the latest of a series of aggressive off-season moves, the Eagles traded the 28th overall pick, a 2009 fourth-round pick and a 2010 late-round pick to the Buffalo Bills for two-time Pro Bowl left tackle Jason Peters.

Again on the Eagles Website (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=17674).


It took the Eagles' second of two 2009 first-round picks (No. 28 overall), a 2009 fourth-round pick and a 2010 late-round pick to acquire his rights from the Buffalo Bills.

From the Bills Website (http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/bills-trade-peters-receive-three-draft-picks/c59be2ad-8723-4a6d-bb9e-cbfd40fb8d95):


The Bills received three undisclosed draft picks – two in 2009 and one in 2010.

Nobody talks of "conditions" on any of the picks.

[clumping platelets]

Tom Brady was a 6th rd pick, correct? :ontome:

[Ickybaluky]

National Football Post (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/04/details-on-peters-trade/) (Mike Lombardi and Andrew Brandt's site)


In return, sources close the negotiations have informed us that Philadelphia will give Buffalo a first round pick (#28 overall) and a fourth round pick in next weekend’s draft, in addition to a sixth round pick in 2010.

[psubills62]

Here is the Eagles website (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?STORY_ID=17670) on the compensation:



Again on the Eagles Website (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=17674).



From the Bills Website (http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/bills-trade-peters-receive-three-draft-picks/c59be2ad-8723-4a6d-bb9e-cbfd40fb8d95):



Nobody talks of "conditions" on any of the picks.

Fine, you win. Pat yourself on the back, close up the thread and have a beer. Congrats. No conditional pick. Nothing but a sixth-rounder. Let's all root against Peters.

[Ickybaluky]

NFL Network's Steve Wyche (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80fd58da&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true) (their replacement for Adam Schefter):


The Philadelphia Eagles' trade for Pro Bowl offensive tackle Jason Peters on Friday will cost them a first-round pick (28th overall) and a fourth-round choice in next week's draft (121st overall) and a sixth-round selection in 2010, according to a source.

[Ickybaluky]

NFL Network's Bucky Brooks (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80fd5696&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true):


In an offseason full of blockbuster trades, the Buffalo Bills pulled off a stunner by sending two-time Pro Bowl left tackle Jason Peters to the Philadelphia Eagles for a first-round pick (No. 28 overall) and a fourth-round pick in next week's NFL draft and a sixth-round selection in 2010

[psubills62]

Fine, you win. Pat yourself on the back, close up the thread and have a beer. Congrats. No conditional pick. Nothing but a sixth-rounder. Let's all root against Peters.

Or just keep posting articles.

[realdealryan]

What do you mean there's no logic there? Just because the Eagles believe it's guaranteed doesn't mean it will happen.

It was almost all on name recognition. If players/coaches around the league look back now at what he did in 2008 after it got all this publicity, maybe his name recognition won't carry as much power next year.

There's logic there, even if you can't see it.
The point is that upgrading the 6th to a 3rd based on a subjective vote would be an inept move on their part when there were supposedly no other suitors.

And his name recognition is less after he goes to a more likely playoff team and gets his $10 mil/year? Dunno about that one, either.


close up the thread and have a beer
Well put. Peters is gone, case closed. Woulda coulda shoulda.

[Ickybaluky]

Or just keep posting articles.

Sorry, I was having fun being an *******. I am a Pats fan, you know. We have a certain reputation to uphold.

[psubills62]

Sorry, I was having fun being an *******. I am a Pats fan, you know. We have a certain reputation to uphold.

Yeah, I know (52-10).

[Jan Reimers]

Peters is dead to me.