Maybin and Steroids.

[Canadian'eh!]

I have to say, i'm really concerned about the weight gain that Maybin allegedly went through prior to the draft. It's very suspicious if true. (not to mention shaving a susbtatial amount of time off his 40 at the same time, meaning he was ALSO working on fast twitch muscle at the same time)

First of all, you cannot use "he didn't test positive at the combine" as an excuse. Because designer EPO and Steroids typically cannot be tested for. The makers are way ahead of the testers at all times. That's why they are rich. Once a test is developed for a product, it will soon be replaced by something else. Players who get caught are the ones who make "mistakes" by taking something old they acquired from an amateur or a tainted unlabeled supplement. Anyone going to a top trainer with proper knowledge and connections will get away with it. This is why the IOC saves olympic samples for 8 years. Because they need to test for the old drugs they couldn't at the time. Just yesterday 6 positives came back from a new test they didn't have in Beijing.

Secondly, Everything i've read in terms of scientifc research and papers, and the experiences of bodybuilders, trianers and even users of steroids tells me that 25 lbs of leanmuscle in 3 months (Maybin did it in 2!) is almsot impossible WITH steroids. WIthout they conclude that even a young supreme athelete in the prime of his career cannot physically gain 25lbs of lean muscle in that short a time period. Essentially it goes WAY beyond the upper limits of what muscle can grow naturally. The other problem is the number of caloried you'd have to consume to put on that musch muscle while working out as hard as you need to to add the muscle is insane. You'd probably have protein poisoning.

The point is, it would def seem as though ading 25 lbs of lean muscle in 2 months is a physical impossibility without steroids. Even with steroids it's a huge challenge.

So if the science of it seems to indicate it's impossible, how could the Bills doctors not tell them this? Should we be concerned?


One possibility is that he didn't really gain 25 lbs. When it comes to advertising fitness, companies like pwoertrain will use a lot of tricks and inflated numbers to advertise. a 12-15 lb gaincan be made 25 when you add water weight. Flexing. dedhydrating to make muscles pop. So the question is did he legitimately add 25 lbs of lean muscle.

My feeling is that if he did.... he used. a LOT.

anyone know if the 25 lbs a legit 25?

and should we be worried?

[justasportsfan]

If the bills aren't worried, I'm not.

[Pinkerton Security]

Secondly, Everything i've read in terms of scientifc research and papers, and the experiences of bodybuilders, trianers and even users of steroids tells me that 25 lbs of leanmuscle in 3 months (Maybin did it in 2!) is almsot impossible WITH steroids. WIthout they conclude that even a young supreme athelete in the prime of his career cannot physically gain 25lbs of lean muscle in that short a time period. Essentially it goes WAY beyond the upper limits of what muscle can grow naturally. The other problem is the number of caloried you'd have to consume to put on that musch muscle while working out as hard as you need to to add the muscle is insane. You'd probably have protein poisoning.

The point is, it would def seem as though ading 25 lbs of lean muscle in 2 months is a physical impossibility without steroids. Even with steroids it's a huge challenge.



Dude...its very possible. Can you please link these "research" papers you read this on, because I've literally seen it done in LESS than 2 months.

[Patrick76777]

I have to say, i'm really concerned about the weight gain that Maybin allegedly went through prior to the draft. It's very suspicious if true. (not to mention shaving a susbtatial amount of time off his 40 at the same time, meaning he was ALSO working on fast twitch muscle at the same time)

First of all, you cannot use "he didn't test positive at the combine" as an excuse. Because designer EPO and Steroids typically cannot be tested for. The makers are way ahead of the testers at all times. That's why they are rich. Once a test is developed for a product, it will soon be replaced by something else. Players who get caught are the ones who make "mistakes" by taking something old they acquired from an amateur or a tainted unlabeled supplement. Anyone going to a top trainer with proper knowledge and connections will get away with it. This is why the IOC saves olympic samples for 8 years. Because they need to test for the old drugs they couldn't at the time. Just yesterday 6 positives came back from a new test they didn't have in Beijing.

Secondly, Everything i've read in terms of scientifc research and papers, and the experiences of bodybuilders, trianers and even users of steroids tells me that 25 lbs of leanmuscle in 3 months (Maybin did it in 2!) is almsot impossible WITH steroids. WIthout they conclude that even a young supreme athelete in the prime of his career cannot physically gain 25lbs of lean muscle in that short a time period. Essentially it goes WAY beyond the upper limits of what muscle can grow naturally. The other problem is the number of caloried you'd have to consume to put on that musch muscle while working out as hard as you need to to add the muscle is insane. You'd probably have protein poisoning.

The point is, it would def seem as though ading 25 lbs of lean muscle in 2 months is a physical impossibility without steroids. Even with steroids it's a huge challenge.

So if the science of it seems to indicate it's impossible, how could the Bills doctors not tell them this? Should we be concerned?


One possibility is that he didn't really gain 25 lbs. When it comes to advertising fitness, companies like pwoertrain will use a lot of tricks and inflated numbers to advertise. a 12-15 lb gaincan be made 25 when you add water weight. Flexing. dedhydrating to make muscles pop. So the question is did he legitimately add 25 lbs of lean muscle.

My feeling is that if he did.... he used. a LOT.

anyone know if the 25 lbs a legit 25?

and should we be worried?

Everyone of these football players use steroids. They're monsters! Just need to be clean for the tests.

[Mr. Pink]

I thought the exact same thing when I saw the before and after pics especially with such a short time period involved.

Although, if he's ahead of the curve on testing, he won't get caught and won't miss any game. So it's kinda moot if he did or didn't seeing I'm sure plenty around the league are also ahead of the curve.

I watch the game to be entertained, not learn a morality lesson.

If you don't get caught, all is fair, I guess. If you get caught it's a different story because then you are detracting from the team and game.

[psubills62]

I have to say, i'm really concerned about the weight gain that Maybin allegedly went through prior to the draft. It's very suspicious if true. (not to mention shaving a susbtatial amount of time off his 40 at the same time, meaning he was ALSO working on fast twitch muscle at the same time)

First of all, you cannot use "he didn't test positive at the combine" as an excuse. Because designer EPO and Steroids typically cannot be tested for. The makers are way ahead of the testers at all times. That's why they are rich. Once a test is developed for a product, it will soon be replaced by something else. Players who get caught are the ones who make "mistakes" by taking something old they acquired from an amateur or a tainted unlabeled supplement. Anyone going to a top trainer with proper knowledge and connections will get away with it. This is why the IOC saves olympic samples for 8 years. Because they need to test for the old drugs they couldn't at the time. Just yesterday 6 positives came back from a new test they didn't have in Beijing.

Secondly, Everything i've read in terms of scientifc research and papers, and the experiences of bodybuilders, trianers and even users of steroids tells me that 25 lbs of leanmuscle in 3 months (Maybin did it in 2!) is almsot impossible WITH steroids. WIthout they conclude that even a young supreme athelete in the prime of his career cannot physically gain 25lbs of lean muscle in that short a time period. Essentially it goes WAY beyond the upper limits of what muscle can grow naturally. The other problem is the number of caloried you'd have to consume to put on that musch muscle while working out as hard as you need to to add the muscle is insane. You'd probably have protein poisoning.

The point is, it would def seem as though ading 25 lbs of lean muscle in 2 months is a physical impossibility without steroids. Even with steroids it's a huge challenge.

So if the science of it seems to indicate it's impossible, how could the Bills doctors not tell them this? Should we be concerned?


One possibility is that he didn't really gain 25 lbs. When it comes to advertising fitness, companies like pwoertrain will use a lot of tricks and inflated numbers to advertise. a 12-15 lb gaincan be made 25 when you add water weight. Flexing. dedhydrating to make muscles pop. So the question is did he legitimately add 25 lbs of lean muscle.

My feeling is that if he did.... he used. a LOT.

anyone know if the 25 lbs a legit 25?

and should we be worried?

I don't think I can necessarily answer if it's a legit 25 pounds (not many people specifically on these boards can). But if the bolded paragraph is true, then there's not much to worry about. If he's going to a top trainer, then he'll get stuff that won't get him caught.

IMO, it seems legit. At the time of the combine, I read several reports about Maybin's weight gain, and none of them sounded overly concerned about steroids. I didn't see anything that said "this could only be done with steroids." Also, it didn't seem to concern the Bills. Everyone who cares about football and the draft knew about Maybin's weight gain, but there was almost zero peeps about steroids from people who weren't just suspicious fans.

So maybe it was legit, maybe it wasn't. But from the sounds of it, the NFL teams weren't too concerned, so I'm not sure if we should be.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Not worried about this at all.

[soapman]

Why because he's BLACK!?!?!?!

[OpIv37]

I was under the impression that he went from 236 to 249. While it's not easy to put on 13 pounds of muscle in two months, it's not impossible and it's far more realistic than 25. I've seen my brother put on 10 pounds of muscle in two or three months, and that's with a full time job (unrelated to physical fitness) and without the help of professional trainers. Some people just have the frame and genetics for it.

That being said, there is cause for some suspicion- but I wouldn't worry about it as it's all just speculation at this point.

[TedMock]

I put on 30 lbs, increased my bench press from 185 to 275, and cut my 40 time from 5.1 to 4.7 all in 3 months time. It was the summer before I went to college. I'm much older and fatter now, but I digress. I did this in 3 months with a ton of hard work. A lot of people, my best friends included, accused me of doing steroids and that sucked because I didn't even take protein powder. I worked at it 6 days a week all summer.

Do I wonder whether these guys juice? Of course I do. I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt too. This is all these guys have to do. Two workouts a day, a meal regimen, etc all enforced by specialists. It's not impossible, but we should certainly not be naive that the juice is passed around big-time programs and NFL locker rooms.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Why do you guys look for things to worry about?

[jmb1099]

If he put on 25 pounds of muscle in two months, juice or no juice, that is an insane desire to prepare and shows the kind of work ethic we need on this team. Let's hope it translates to effectiveness on the field.

[The Spaz]

Jesus why do people always have to try and find negative?

[Pinkerton Security]

Jesus why do people always have to try and find negative?

bc I know I couldnt add that much muscle cleanly, and I'm a stinking IT analyst!!!

o wait, hes a professional athlete working with professional trainers EVERY DAY, and is on a very strict regimen and diet.

[Canadian'eh!]

2 points.

1- from the Bills perspective, knowing he's getting away with it right now, if true, isn't good enough. Eventually they might catch up to you (Merriman?). When dealers get caught they use high profile clients as leverage to make deals too. Not good.

2- People who claim they don't care as long as he doesn't get caught, i find to be short sighted. I have 2 boys. 6 and 9. in a few years they'll be in high school, possibly playing HS sports. the steroid issue in HS sports is huge these days. It's a health problem. And these kids are getting it from the professional athelete users who make it seem like a pretty good idea when you are rich and famous. As a fan of football, i don't care if they all use if we win. But life is more than football, and you'd like the people your kids look up to to be a good example to them.


I'm also not looking for something to complain about. IT's a legit question and i'm more thinking his weight gain is not that substantial, but in fact overblown.

YOu could also ask why he never added this weight at Penn St. Why did he have to wait until his million dollar payday??

[Canadian'eh!]

bc I know I couldnt add that much muscle cleanly, and I'm a stinking IT analyst!!!

o wait, hes a professional athlete working with professional trainers EVERY DAY, and is on a very strict regimen and diet.

Actually it would be easier for you. adding 25 lbs when you are in bad shape is easy compared to adding 25 when you are already a pro athlete with a good build.

[THATHURMANATOR]

What about TED MOCK THEN??????????

[psubills62]

2 points.

1- from the Bills perspective, knowing he's getting away with it right now, if true, isn't good enough. Eventually they might catch up to you (Merriman?). When dealers get caught they use high profile clients as leverage to make deals too. Not good.

2- People who claim they don't care as long as he doesn't get caught, i find to be short sighted. I have 2 boys. 6 and 9. in a few years they'll be in high school, possibly playing HS sports. the steroid issue in HS sports is huge these days. It's a health problem. And these kids are getting it from the professional athelete users who make it seem like a pretty good idea when you are rich and famous. As a fan of football, i don't care if they all use if we win. But life is more than football, and you'd like the people your kids look up to to be a good example to them.


I'm also not looking for something to complain about. IT's a legit question and i'm more thinking his weight gain is not that substantial, but in fact overblown.

YOu could also ask why he never added this weight at Penn St. Why did he have to wait until his million dollar payday??

Because he was spending his time taking classes and doing things in college besides working out every day?

Like I said - why were there no reported suspicions about it at the combine? Why didn't the Bills seem to care that he had gained so much weight so quickly?

Oh, and as far as Maybin specifically...the kid is 21. He's still growing and just hasn't filled out his body yet. You seem to assume that because he's suddenly a professional athlete that he's already maxed out his body and it would be nearly impossible for him to gain more. The kid was pretty lean as it was, and he simply started specifically filling out his frame.

[madness]

Chalk up Poz, defensive POY Harrison and many other athletes including a dozen or more at the combine who have trained at Power Train Sports as steroid users then.

Maybin's transformation was well documented and revolved around a strict workout routine and diet. Some of the details is listed on their website..scroll down to see Maybin's article in Muscle & Fitness.

http://www.powertrainsports.com/combine-training.php#aaronmaybin

[SABURZFAN]

i just hope he's clean and does a good job in a Bills uniform. being that he's only 21 years old, his body is still growing as he continues to work out.

[Canadian'eh!]

What about TED MOCK THEN??????????

Well... I don't know without all the details.... but it depends on where he starts from, his metabolism, and how much of that is legitimate lean muscle and not fat.

Maybin is a pro athlete who already had quite a bit of muscle on him. His metabolism due to his being in great shape to start means he needs to add a TON of calories.

I'm not saying Maybin DID take something... i'm just asking about the likelihood.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I'm not saying Maybin DID take something... i'm just asking about the likelihood.
WHY?

[justasportsfan]

1- from the Bills perspective, knowing he's getting away with it right now, if true, isn't good enough. Eventually they might catch up to you (Merriman?). When dealers get caught they use high profile clients as leverage to make deals too. Not good.




If the bills knew about this I don't think they'd be willing to pay him so much money only to turn into David Boston who was NOTHING without his roids.

[Canadian'eh!]

If Maybin had been drafted by the Pats, would it still be unfair to ask this question?

[Mr. Pink]

2 points.

1- from the Bills perspective, knowing he's getting away with it right now, if true, isn't good enough. Eventually they might catch up to you (Merriman?). When dealers get caught they use high profile clients as leverage to make deals too. Not good.

2- People who claim they don't care as long as he doesn't get caught, i find to be short sighted. I have 2 boys. 6 and 9. in a few years they'll be in high school, possibly playing HS sports. the steroid issue in HS sports is huge these days. It's a health problem. And these kids are getting it from the professional athelete users who make it seem like a pretty good idea when you are rich and famous. As a fan of football, i don't care if they all use if we win. But life is more than football, and you'd like the people your kids look up to to be a good example to them.


I'm also not looking for something to complain about. IT's a legit question and i'm more thinking his weight gain is not that substantial, but in fact overblown.

YOu could also ask why he never added this weight at Penn St. Why did he have to wait until his million dollar payday??


This is mainly about point 2.

Athletes aren't role models. Never were meant to be.

There are plenty of people to look up to in life that do things that are of the greater good to society, rather than a guy who plays a kids game and gets paid. Sports are entertainment not life or a morality play.

If you don't instill values and morals in your children where they're looking up to guys like Bonds, McGwire, Merriman, Alzado, Sosa, Clemens etc etc etc that's on you as a parent more than what those guys did to "cheat" and advance their own careers.

The above paragraph isn't directed at you or anyone else in specific, although, I know it could be. I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone individually on my point so I guess I'll get off the soapbox now.

[nateodoms'bff]

Actually it would be easier for you. adding 25 lbs when you are in bad shape is easy compared to adding 25 when you are already a pro athlete with a good build.

What? This comment makes no sense.

Its easier for the body to lose weight, when you have an excess of fat on it. Hard working muscle rebuilds faster, and burns more fat, than dormant muscle.

Sure adding 25 lbs is easy when you eat like garbage and don't exercise.

But for a pro athlete, adding muscle is really not hard. There are LEGAL supplements that foster muscle development, and add calories into your diet, to help maintain muscle weight. The thing with Merriman is that he was taking amphetamines. He was getting jacked before games and during his workout and that or may not have led to his explosive play on the field.

Maybin is a class act athlete. He is hard working, and has a desire to play pro football. You can speculate all day long about his physique, or how he obtained it, but the bottom line is that he is young, in incredible shape, and has the luxury of doing nothing all day but work out, eat, and study a play book.

The kid is not juicing. Let it go.

[Canadian'eh!]

WHY?


because it's a pertinent question to ask about a guy who are about to pay millions of dollars too in hopes he fixes our pass rush and carries our team to the playoffs?????

[SABURZFAN]

If the bills knew about this I don't think they'd be willing to pay him so much money only to turn into David Boston who was NOTHING without his roids.


LOL!!!!!!!!David Boston......... everytime i hear that name, it reminds me of the homos in Finheaven who would spank their monkeys when he flexed his arms.

[Canadian'eh!]

What? This comment makes no sense.

Its easier for the body to lose weight, when you have an excess of fat on it. Hard working muscle rebuilds faster, and burns more fat, than dormant muscle.

Sure adding 25 lbs is easy when you eat like garbage and don't exercise.

But for a pro athlete, adding muscle is really not hard. There are LEGAL supplements that foster muscle development, and add calories into your diet, to help maintain muscle weight. The thing with Merriman is that he was taking amphetamines. He was getting jacked before games and during his workout and that or may not have led to his explosive play on the field.

Maybin is a class act athlete. He is hard working, and has a desire to play pro football. You can speculate all day long about his physique, or how he obtained it, but the bottom line is that he is young, in incredible shape, and has the luxury of doing nothing all day but work out, eat, and study a play book.

The kid is not juicing. Let it go.


Not true... adding 25lbs of muscle when you have very little, then all of a sudden start working really hard at it is fairly easy.... you have fat stores that add energy and are being burned off. your metabolism is getting better and your muscles start to grow. mind you you will be LOSING fat, so your overall weight will not go up fast... BUt adding the 25 of MUSCLE isn't hard, even though you'll need to gain a lot more of it to weight 25 lbs more.

[THATHURMANATOR]

If Maybin had been drafted by the Pats, would it still be unfair to ask this question?
It isnt unfair now but who cares?

[THATHURMANATOR]

because it's a pertinent question to ask about a guy who are about to pay millions of dollars too in hopes he fixes our pass rush and carries our team to the playoffs?????
Its like you are trying to tattle on him or something.

I could care less if he does steroids as long as he isnt caught.

[Canadian'eh!]

This is mainly about point 2.

Athletes aren't role models. Never were meant to be.

There are plenty of people to look up to in life that do things that are of the greater good to society, rather than a guy who plays a kids game and gets paid. Sports are entertainment not life or a morality play.

If you don't instill values and morals in your children where they're looking up to guys like Bonds, McGwire, Merriman, Alzado, Sosa, Clemens etc etc etc that's on you as a parent more than what those guys did to "cheat" and advance their own careers.

The above paragraph isn't directed at you or anyone else in specific, although, I know it could be. I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone individually on my point so I guess I'll get off the soapbox now.

I disagree. They ABSOUTELY ARE role models. Anyone who a kids looks up to as someone they want to be like is a role model whether they want to be or not.

As a parent you do your best to guide them and instill good values. But teenagers are not ALWAYS listening to their parents. Sometimes, they only see things in terms of right now. They experiment with things they know are wrong. They make bad choices despite everything you say.

Athletes have the benefit of being idolized. Kids don't see their shortcomings. Just their glory. At home, they know you. they know your shortcomings. In a way the people who they don't REALLY know have an advantage.

Part of making the millions to play sports it to be a good character. It seems in our society we've forgotten that. it became acceptable to be an ******* as long as you are good at something. And we suffer because of that theory. winning isn't always everything.

IT's my responsibility to set a good example for the kids i coach in basketball. I'm not paid millions to boot. Yet I do it. Because I want them to grow up well. Why is it unreasonable to expect the same for guys who get paid millions to play games and be a hero in millions of kids eyes?

[Canadian'eh!]

It isnt unfair now but who cares?
you keep commenting so obviously you must care. Also, if he gets suspended at some point, i bet you will care even more.

[THATHURMANATOR]

you keep commenting so obviously you must care.
I care because you are trying to Rat out our top pick. STOP IT.

[justasportsfan]

Not true... adding 25lbs of muscle when you have very little, then all of a sudden start working really hard at it is fairly easy.... you have fat stores that add energy and are being burned off. your metabolism is getting better and your muscles start to grow. mind you you will be LOSING fat, so your overall weight will not go up fast... BUt adding the 25 of MUSCLE isn't hard, even though you'll need to gain a lot more of it to weight 25 lbs more.
but if you have the genetics and are young enough, you can easily fill up.

[Pinkerton Security]

If Maybin had been drafted by the Pats, would it still be unfair to ask this question?

I'd like to say yes it would still be unfair because he WASNT all that jacked to begin with, he was quite skinny, especially in the midsection and legs.

however im sure i'd call him a cheater because I hate that organization more than anything in this world.

[Canadian'eh!]

Its like you are trying to tattle on him or something.

I could care less if he does steroids as long as he isnt caught.

How am I trying to tattle? I don't even know he did anything wrong. I'm just asking the question as to what other think given the circumstantial evidence there is.

I think they may have doctored some photos and tried to turn 10lbs of muscle into 25 actually.

But i don't really think you can add 25 lbs of lean muscle to a kid with low body fat to begin with in 2 months without help.

And you will care if he ever did get caught.. so it might have been worth asking the question ahead of time.

[Canadian'eh!]

I care because you are trying to Rat out our top pick. STOP IT.

so you think he did it, but my post on BZ is going to alert the NFL to this and get him suspended?

wow... i didn't know they were reading this.... in which case

"Trade Whitner... he sucks"

[Canadian'eh!]

but if you have the genetics and are young enough, you can easily fill up.

science would indicate otherwise... unless he has some real freak genetics anyway...

[Tatonka]

i hope he kills people like Latimer in "The Program".

[The Spaz]

i hope he kills people like Latimer in "The Program".

:lol: :rofl: I loved that movie...lol

[justasportsfan]

Asked about his son's recent weight gain, Mike Maybin laughed and noted Aaron had a comparable increase shortly after arriving at Penn State.

"He had another bump like that early at Penn State when he gained something like 17 pounds," Mike Maybin said.

http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/123803520512570.xml&coll=1

[The Spaz]

Yeah He came in Penn State weighing about 213 lbs.

[THATHURMANATOR]

so you think he did it, but my post on BZ is going to alert the NFL to this and get him suspended?

wow... i didn't know they were reading this.... in which case

"Trade Whitner... he sucks"
I don't think he did or did not. I don't care either way.

Sure they aren't reading this but you know how these rumors start. Next Art from Cheektowaga calls in to WGR because he read something on the Internets, then ESPN.com gets a hold of the story and does an investigation.

[Captain gameboy]

In the old days it was a lot simpler.
Jim Ritcher told me that every year the Bills staff would tell him that he needed to gain weight to be an effective guard as the D tackles started to bulk up.
During the offseason, or pre training camp, they would weigh him to see if he was gaining the weight they wanted.
His wife sewed lead into a baseball hat, and he wore the hat to these weigh ins.

Worked for him, he’s on the wall.

[casdhf]

If you knew that working out 40 hours a week for 2 months and you could guarantee yourself $30 million instead of $15 million, wouldn't you be doing the same thing?

I sure as hell would.

[billsfanone]

I have to say, i'm really concerned about the weight gain that Maybin allegedly went through prior to the draft. It's very suspicious if true. (not to mention shaving a susbtatial amount of time off his 40 at the same time, meaning he was ALSO working on fast twitch muscle at the same time)

First of all, you cannot use "he didn't test positive at the combine" as an excuse. Because designer EPO and Steroids typically cannot be tested for. The makers are way ahead of the testers at all times. That's why they are rich. Once a test is developed for a product, it will soon be replaced by something else. Players who get caught are the ones who make "mistakes" by taking something old they acquired from an amateur or a tainted unlabeled supplement. Anyone going to a top trainer with proper knowledge and connections will get away with it. This is why the IOC saves olympic samples for 8 years. Because they need to test for the old drugs they couldn't at the time. Just yesterday 6 positives came back from a new test they didn't have in Beijing.

Secondly, Everything i've read in terms of scientifc research and papers, and the experiences of bodybuilders, trianers and even users of steroids tells me that 25 lbs of leanmuscle in 3 months (Maybin did it in 2!) is almsot impossible WITH steroids. WIthout they conclude that even a young supreme athelete in the prime of his career cannot physically gain 25lbs of lean muscle in that short a time period. Essentially it goes WAY beyond the upper limits of what muscle can grow naturally. The other problem is the number of caloried you'd have to consume to put on that musch muscle while working out as hard as you need to to add the muscle is insane. You'd probably have protein poisoning.

The point is, it would def seem as though ading 25 lbs of lean muscle in 2 months is a physical impossibility without steroids. Even with steroids it's a huge challenge.

So if the science of it seems to indicate it's impossible, how could the Bills doctors not tell them this? Should we be concerned?


One possibility is that he didn't really gain 25 lbs. When it comes to advertising fitness, companies like pwoertrain will use a lot of tricks and inflated numbers to advertise. a 12-15 lb gaincan be made 25 when you add water weight. Flexing. dedhydrating to make muscles pop. So the question is did he legitimately add 25 lbs of lean muscle.

My feeling is that if he did.... he used. a LOT.

anyone know if the 25 lbs a legit 25?

and should we be worried?

http://www.illinoislegalmal.com/giant-rat(1).jpg

[Dr. Lecter]

I was under the impression that he went from 236 to 249. While it's not easy to put on 13 pounds of muscle in two months, it's not impossible and it's far more realistic than 25. I've seen my brother put on 10 pounds of muscle in two or three months, and that's with a full time job (unrelated to physical fitness) and without the help of professional trainers. Some people just have the frame and genetics for it.

That being said, there is cause for some suspicion- but I wouldn't worry about it as it's all just speculation at this point.

This has seemed to be overlooked.

While I too have expressed concern over how he added the weight, take a step back for a moment.

1. The 25 pounds is simply not true. It is much more likely he put on anywhere from 13-17 pounds (I have seen starting weight at 234 and current weight at 251).

2. If he weighed ~234 at the end of the football season, he was likely on the low end of his actual weight. It is not unusual for players to lose weight during the season. They are not able to hit the weight lifting program like they do in the offseason.

3. He might have been keeping the weight down while in college in order to have maximum quickness.

4. Adding that weight, in muscle, is not impossible if one dedicates himself to it, works with a trainer, eats right and is young, especially if they have had intense weight training in the past.

Is it something to think about? Sure. It crossed my mind. But is it impossible he did this cleanly? Not at all.

[TedMock]

If he's juicing I'll be disappointed. Not to defend anybody, but when you look at his "before" picture I think it shows that he had a ton of room to grow into his frame. He was actually somewhat thin for his structure. He still does have room, albeit less room now. He will plateau at some point before completely filling out though. My guess is that he will hold 12-15 lbs more and consistently after this season. He could put it on now, but it will go away by the season's end. He's probably going to play most of his career around 262.

[THATHURMANATOR]

http://www.illinoislegalmal.com/giant-rat(1).jpg
Histarical.

[Canadian'eh!]

ROFL.

People can call me what they want. I hardly think asking a logical question will raise any eyebrows. I have no evidence whatsoever that he's done anything wrong. I just have doubts.

I actually agree that the pictures are probably doctored a bit, and his weight gain was not really close to 25lbs of muscle. probably more like 12-15 at best.

However... if WGR wishes to interview me for this story I'm available.

As for the "i don't care as long as he gets away with it" argument.

I feel bad for you guys.

The thing that pissed me off about "Spygate" wasn't that it was the Pats who did it. It was the lack of integrity. The Pats had this incredible team, that could have won anyway, but chose to cheat none the less. That cheapens everything. From the players for the work they do, all the way to the fan who coaughs up the money for a ticket wanting to support a great team.

I hope maybin IS totally clean, and turns into a great player. But i ask the question because I also hope he has integrity and holds himself to a higher standard than most people on here do.

I'd rather lose a game or money, than lseo my integrity and self respect. But maybe i'm the only one.

I guess most people only care about winning at any cost and by any means now.

[casdhf]

Being from New Brunswick, I doubt you have any self-respect.

[DMBcrew36]

I have to say, i'm really concerned about the weight gain that Maybin allegedly went through prior to the draft. It's very suspicious if true. (not to mention shaving a susbtatial amount of time off his 40 at the same time, meaning he was ALSO working on fast twitch muscle at the same time)

First of all, you cannot use "he didn't test positive at the combine" as an excuse. Because designer EPO and Steroids typically cannot be tested for. The makers are way ahead of the testers at all times. That's why they are rich. Once a test is developed for a product, it will soon be replaced by something else. Players who get caught are the ones who make "mistakes" by taking something old they acquired from an amateur or a tainted unlabeled supplement. Anyone going to a top trainer with proper knowledge and connections will get away with it. This is why the IOC saves olympic samples for 8 years. Because they need to test for the old drugs they couldn't at the time. Just yesterday 6 positives came back from a new test they didn't have in Beijing.

Secondly, Everything i've read in terms of scientifc research and papers, and the experiences of bodybuilders, trianers and even users of steroids tells me that 25 lbs of leanmuscle in 3 months (Maybin did it in 2!) is almsot impossible WITH steroids. WIthout they conclude that even a young supreme athelete in the prime of his career cannot physically gain 25lbs of lean muscle in that short a time period. Essentially it goes WAY beyond the upper limits of what muscle can grow naturally. The other problem is the number of caloried you'd have to consume to put on that musch muscle while working out as hard as you need to to add the muscle is insane. You'd probably have protein poisoning.

The point is, it would def seem as though ading 25 lbs of lean muscle in 2 months is a physical impossibility without steroids. Even with steroids it's a huge challenge.

So if the science of it seems to indicate it's impossible, how could the Bills doctors not tell them this? Should we be concerned?


One possibility is that he didn't really gain 25 lbs. When it comes to advertising fitness, companies like pwoertrain will use a lot of tricks and inflated numbers to advertise. a 12-15 lb gaincan be made 25 when you add water weight. Flexing. dedhydrating to make muscles pop. So the question is did he legitimately add 25 lbs of lean muscle.

My feeling is that if he did.... he used. a LOT.

anyone know if the 25 lbs a legit 25?

and should we be worried?

Good post. I've seen other posters on here claim that a player can put on 25 lbs of muscle in a few months. People who have no clue what they're talking about.

[Canadian'eh!]

Being from New Brunswick, I doubt you have any self-respect.

I lived in Montreal for 4 years... i learned it there.... at strip clubs.

[THATHURMANATOR]

ROFL.

People can call me what they want. I hardly think asking a logical question will raise any eyebrows. I have no evidence whatsoever that he's done anything wrong. I just have doubts.

I actually agree that the pictures are probably doctored a bit, and his weight gain was not really close to 25lbs of muscle. probably more like 12-15 at best.

However... if WGR wishes to interview me for this story I'm available.

As for the "i don't care as long as he gets away with it" argument.

I feel bad for you guys.

The thing that pissed me off about "Spygate" wasn't that it was the Pats who did it. It was the lack of integrity. The Pats had this incredible team, that could have won anyway, but chose to cheat none the less. That cheapens everything. From the players for the work they do, all the way to the fan who coaughs up the money for a ticket wanting to support a great team.

I hope maybin IS totally clean, and turns into a great player. But i ask the question because I also hope he has integrity and holds himself to a higher standard than most people on here do.

I'd rather lose a game or money, than lseo my integrity and self respect. But maybe i'm the only one.

I guess most people only care about winning at any cost and by any means now.
Dont feel bad for me. I have a great life.

GO BILLS!

[justasportsfan]

Sure they aren't reading this but you know how these rumors start. Next Art from Cheektowaga calls in to WGR because he read something on the Internets, then ESPN.com gets a hold of the story and does an investigation.


At least somone here on BZ will be another source :up:

[casdhf]

I lived in Montreal for 4 years... i learned it there.... at strip clubs.check mate

[jimbohastle51]

I have to say, i'm really concerned about the weight gain that Maybin allegedly went through prior to the draft. It's very suspicious if true. (not to mention shaving a susbtatial amount of time off his 40 at the same time, meaning he was ALSO working on fast twitch muscle at the same time)

First of all, you cannot use "he didn't test positive at the combine" as an excuse. Because designer EPO and Steroids typically cannot be tested for. The makers are way ahead of the testers at all times. That's why they are rich. Once a test is developed for a product, it will soon be replaced by something else. Players who get caught are the ones who make "mistakes" by taking something old they acquired from an amateur or a tainted unlabeled supplement. Anyone going to a top trainer with proper knowledge and connections will get away with it. This is why the IOC saves olympic samples for 8 years. Because they need to test for the old drugs they couldn't at the time. Just yesterday 6 positives came back from a new test they didn't have in Beijing.

Secondly, Everything i've read in terms of scientifc research and papers, and the experiences of bodybuilders, trianers and even users of steroids tells me that 25 lbs of leanmuscle in 3 months (Maybin did it in 2!) is almsot impossible WITH steroids. WIthout they conclude that even a young supreme athelete in the prime of his career cannot physically gain 25lbs of lean muscle in that short a time period. Essentially it goes WAY beyond the upper limits of what muscle can grow naturally. The other problem is the number of caloried you'd have to consume to put on that musch muscle while working out as hard as you need to to add the muscle is insane. You'd probably have protein poisoning.

The point is, it would def seem as though ading 25 lbs of lean muscle in 2 months is a physical impossibility without steroids. Even with steroids it's a huge challenge.

So if the science of it seems to indicate it's impossible, how could the Bills doctors not tell them this? Should we be concerned?


One possibility is that he didn't really gain 25 lbs. When it comes to advertising fitness, companies like pwoertrain will use a lot of tricks and inflated numbers to advertise. a 12-15 lb gaincan be made 25 when you add water weight. Flexing. dedhydrating to make muscles pop. So the question is did he legitimately add 25 lbs of lean muscle.

My feeling is that if he did.... he used. a LOT.

anyone know if the 25 lbs a legit 25?

and should we be worried?

of course he is juicing!! he is probably taking HGH it is extremely hard to test for and you can gain or loose weight very quickly depending on your diet. i mean you can literally gain 20lbs of muscle in a month or 2 if you are eating heavy and lifting heavy. also remember every steriod has a half life. for instance deca durabolin (narandolone) has a half life of about a year (thus why merriman got caught) some testosterones such as propinate and sustanon can be out of your system in 24 hours. some as long as 2-3 weeks. my point is you can juice and still be prepared to take a urine test at notice (NON of these tests are given the same day they are notified). they players know when a test is coming and know that they ARE coming so it is up to them to keep to using "supplements" that they can menuvure around the tests. no one should be upset with any players that uses them. in most cases they kids and players use this to get bigger stronger and faster, not only to make a handsome living but also because they leauge has evolved into this. these players are modern day gladiators. i mean seriously who would have ever though an ACL injury that 20 years ago was career ending could be rehabbed back from and have you back on the feild in less than a year? without these "supplements" our game would not be as fast and electric. no kid is born 6'5 280lbs. and running a 4.5-4.7 40 with over 28 reps of 225lbs. steriods have completely changed the game, and probably maybins game as well. look at his jaw in his pics and the amount of water he is holding and then research steriods and HGH it is the 2 easiest ways to see a player is juiced out of there mind!

[SabreEleven]

I put on 30 lbs, increased my bench press from 185 to 275, and cut my 40 time from 5.1 to 4.7 all in 3 months time. It was the summer before I went to college. I'm much older and fatter now, but I digress. I did this in 3 months with a ton of hard work. A lot of people, my best friends included, accused me of doing steroids and that sucked because I didn't even take protein powder. I worked at it 6 days a week all summer.

Do I wonder whether these guys juice? Of course I do. I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt too. This is all these guys have to do. Two workouts a day, a meal regimen, etc all enforced by specialists. It's not impossible, but we should certainly not be naive that the juice is passed around big-time programs and NFL locker rooms.

Sounds like you were a 4th round pick...

[TedMock]

Sounds like you were a 4th round pick...

Yeah, I wish. Try a kid looking to make an AA team and getting hurt before the season even started. The program was so strong that the school no longer has a football team. I was on my way to greatness! Greatness, I tell ya! Seriously though, I just religiously stuck with the program they gave me and met with the coaches periodically. I did start to plateau in all categories though, but the bottom line is that I was able to do it because I had the room for it. I only weighed 170 and got up to 202 because I had a broad frame with little filling it up. I can't climb a flight of stairs these days and I'm still in my 30's.

[Buddo]

Without actually knowing all the numbers, the vast majority of what has been said in this thread, is no more than scurrilous conjecture.
I rather suspect, that any decent dietician, could get someone to put on weight at a pretty rapid rate. 20+ lbs in a couple of months shouldn't be a problem. The only problem is actually turning that weight into muscle. Someone who is already fit and healthy, following a training regimen, should also be able to do that pretty easily - especially when there isn't a need to be desperately specific about where you turn the weight into muscle.
To me, what indications that do exist, point to 'natural' as opposed to 'enhanced'. Maybin's 40 time at the combine,was noticeably slower after putting on the weight. Another month of training, and it was back near what it was when he didn't have the weight, yet still slower. That would follow what could be described as a 'normal' pattern. i.e. put weight on, turn it into muscle.

[DrGraves]

Who isn't on roids these days? honestly.

[acehole]

If the bills aren't worried, I'm not.


I will go one step further.

He need more to get up to 255.

[venis2k1]

http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2009/03/medium_maybin_before_after.jpg

[Coach Sal]

Did anyone watch his 1-on-1 interview on BuffaloBills.com? I did and noticed something odd that I admit made me think about this.

He was very well-spoken and smooth the entire interview.

Until he was asked about his playing weight, his gain, and keeping it up.

He suddenly began using "uhhhhs" a lot more in his speech and was very jittery as he talked about working out with his strength coach and how his body transformed. He also does state he gained about 25 pounds working with his strength coaches after he left Penn State prepping for the combine.

I'm not accusing, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't immediately cross my mind that he was dancing around something or at least didn't know how to handle it. My wife noticed the exact same thing and even said something before I did.

I also immediate thought of what they said at the draft about who his "mentors" are: LaVar Arrington and Shawne Merriman.

I have no clue if he is and wasn't even gong to post this, but since it was brought up, I figured I'd mention it.

In his defense, I didn't realize the kid just turned 21 years old recently. He's very young. At that age, it's a lot easier for a body to fluctuate up and down in weight and easier to gain muscle, especially for the people who have the frame to add it. Maybin says in the interview, "it's actually scary to me to see some of the things my body can do now."

Watch the interview yourself and see how is demeanor/speech changes at the 8:10 mark:

http://www.buffalobills.com/media-lounge/videos/bills-focus-aaron-maybin-1-on-1/92f208b6-f293-475b-8d13-bc7fc0fee851

[mercyrule]

This has seemed to be overlooked.

While I too have expressed concern over how he added the weight, take a step back for a moment.

1. The 25 pounds is simply not true. It is much more likely he put on anywhere from 13-17 pounds (I have seen starting weight at 234 and current weight at 251).

2. If he weighed ~234 at the end of the football season, he was likely on the low end of his actual weight. It is not unusual for players to lose weight during the season. They are not able to hit the weight lifting program like they do in the offseason.

3. He might have been keeping the weight down while in college in order to have maximum quickness.

4. Adding that weight, in muscle, is not impossible if one dedicates himself to it, works with a trainer, eats right and is young, especially if they have had intense weight training in the past.

Is it something to think about? Sure. It crossed my mind. But is it impossible he did this cleanly? Not at all.Are there any weight lifters on here who can shed light on this?

[DMBcrew36]

Without actually knowing all the numbers, the vast majority of what has been said in this thread, is no more than scurrilous conjecture.
I rather suspect, that any decent dietician, could get someone to put on weight at a pretty rapid rate. 20+ lbs in a couple of months shouldn't be a problem. The only problem is actually turning that weight into muscle. Someone who is already fit and healthy, following a training regimen, should also be able to do that pretty easily - especially when there isn't a need to be desperately specific about where you turn the weight into muscle.
To me, what indications that do exist, point to 'natural' as opposed to 'enhanced'. Maybin's 40 time at the combine,was noticeably slower after putting on the weight. Another month of training, and it was back near what it was when he didn't have the weight, yet still slower. That would follow what could be described as a 'normal' pattern. i.e. put weight on, turn it into muscle.

I've been lifting for years. Your big gains are when you first start lifting and then you plateau to where it is very difficult to make remarked improvements from there. But Maybin didn't just start lifting. When you're already pretty built, like college football players who have been lifting since high school are, it is nearly impossible to put on 20+ lbs of lean muscle in 2 months naturally. You can put on weight and muscle, but lean muscle? I don't care what training regimen you're using, how much fish or grilled chicken you eat, or what proteins, gainers, creatines, or NO2 you're using - it just isn't that easy. You have to break your muscles down time after time after time to achieve gains and your muscles need time to rest each time you break them down. Trent Edwards for instance, worked out all offseason in 2008 to try and put on muscle and gained what, 10 lbs of muscle? And the whole "you're young, it's easy" line that is being tossed around is complete BS. The only thing relevant there is that male testosterone production declines beginning at the age of 28-30. If anything, being able to put on more muscle is genetics.

I'm not saying he's juicing - but it's pretty insane that he went from 227 to 252 in lean muscle gains in 56 days (under 2 months).

[Kenny]

He suddenly began using "uhhhhs" a lot more in his speech and was very jittery as he talked about working out with his strength coach and how his body transformed. He also does state he gained about 25 pounds working with his strength coaches after he left Penn State prepping for the combine.


I kind of took that to be him being embarassed by his poor showing in the combine. The problem when you gain weight so fast is that you dont give your body enough time to adjust.

[TigerJ]

I notice on the website or Power Train Sports that Tyrel Herbert, an undrafted free agent Buffalo signed from Toledo is also a client.

[yordad]

When I seen the pictures predraft, I thought he might have juiced. But, now that he is a Bill, no way. He definitely did it naturally.

[methos4ever]

When you watch the video, he says, "uh" a lot during his chat, as a pause. For a comm major, he just didn't have as rough of a public speaking prof as I did I guess - we'd fail a speech if we used "uh", "like" or "um" more than once in a sentence...

I personally don't think it had anything to do with 'roid use. If he had been on juice, he would have failed his tests, just like Merriman and Castillo.

[Coach Sal]

When you watch the video, he says, "uh" a lot during his chat, as a pause. For a comm major, he just didn't have as rough of a public speaking prof as I did I guess - we'd fail a speech if we used "uh", "like" or "um" more than once in a sentence...

The point is he DIDN'T say "uhhh" or stumble most of the interview until that subject came up.

It may be nothing. It may be he was distracted. I'm just saying it's noticeable and curious.


If he had been on juice, he would have failed his tests, just like Merriman and Castillo.

Not necessarily true.

[PromoTheRobot]

Why do you guys look for things to worry about?
Oh come on, it's FUN! What's better than starting an internet rumor?

PTR

[methos4ever]

The point is he DIDN'T say "uhhh" or stumble most of the interview until that subject came up.

It may be nothing. It may be he was distracted. I'm just saying it's noticeable and curious.



Not necessarily true.
Good point about the tests.

I still disagree about the "uhhs" - he says 10 of them answering the first question given - about what admiration he had for the Bills as a franchise. And about 5 "y'know"'s...

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.